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>>60196941
first for THICC pad

Second for do not get gimped by sata2 speeds.

>recommending any **40 thinkpad
Piss off op. They were fucking garbage.

>>60197246
>keeping your **20 because you're too lazy to do some simple mods

kys. Nothing wrong with **40 if you're willing to swap the touchpad and like the look. Especially if you want a ULV.

I need to replace the networking card in my T420, it seems my MAC address was blocked from a certain network.

Will one of these work?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N4H50EK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_0xJczbBJ7VSYB

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Notebook-Wifi-Wireless-Network-PCI-Express-Card-Lan-for-T420-l430-w530-/351958320876?nav=SEARCH

>>60197539
You know you can spoof your mac, right? In just about any OS.

You don't need to get a new card.

>>60197539
just buy any WiFi card that uses N standard or get an AC

>>60197560
Ubuntu GNOME is giving me a lot of trouble with it, it constantly reverts back to the permanent MAC upon connection, even with parameters in the network config file specifically telling it not to do so.

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Does anyone else heavily dislike the classic Trackpoint + Buttons?

And I don't mean I like the **40 garbage. I mean it seems like they just got the Trackpoint/Button configuration *just right* starting with the **50 series. I find myself using the touchpad on the classic ThinkPads more than the trackpoint, where on the newer Thinkpads it's far more comfortable for me to use the TrackPoint over it.

I think the TrackPoint buttons are to blame, but it also feels like the old TrackPoint heads are rougher. Might order a new one and see how it feels.

>>60197273
Why would you "want" ULV when the severe limitations of the models objectively negligate any battery life advantages?

>>60197919
I don't dislike the old style but I do prefer the new style.

>>60198006
You wouldn't, they're shit, but some people prefer the battery that much - I used to be one of them until I switched. The T440p is a good model though since it's exactly like the non-p ThinkPads before it, just in a new shell and has an easily swappable TouchPad.

>chinese knockoff 9 cell battery for T60
>notice the port on the battery itself is mushed up a bit, causing it to lose contact with the motherboard if slightly bumped on a table (REALLY ANNOYING WHEN MOVING IT AROUND)
>fold gum wrapper to fit behind and adjust the battery's port to stay in place
>problem solved, tried banging battery against table and T60 stayed on
>remove battery to inspect
>gum wrapper fell down the battery's shell and is irretrievable
>problem is fixed though
Is that shit gonna melt? Should I worry?

>>60197919
I haven't used a thinkpad trackpoint yet, however I did like the e6420 trackpoint on the dell latitude and found it extremely useful.

>>60198124
>chink battery
yes you should worry get a real one.

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>>60198224
Literally one of the the first things on my list after I get my shit together.

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To the fag that was shilling this.

Why shouldn't I get a x131e/x140e instead of pic related

>>60198514
I dunno but the x120e is more aesthetic

If you live in the US they cost like 50 bucks so why bother, just get the one you feel like getting and if it fails get the x120e

t. x120e owner

>>60198514
They're all hot garbage, who cares

Just bought a new 9 cell battery for my X220, how can I keep it in best health? And are there any tlp configs that are best for it?

>>60197186
Why is your pic mirrored?

>>60198514
x120e is cheaper and smaller

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>>60196941
Good Linux desktop for desktop beginners?

I work in SSH and use Linux cloud VMs all day so I'm comfortable with the terminal, but as a desktop I'm clueless.

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x201 tablet getting random, 0 warning shutdowns pretty frequently now. Anyone else experience this? Heard the line had motherboard issues and now I'm a little freaked out.

>>60198839
>>60198621
is isn't it super slow tho.
You'd be better off getting a x200

>>60199102
if you think the x120e is slow you never tried the x100e.

>>60199114
Well I didn't because I figured they were super slow.

But lately I've been tempted to get a x131e/x140e as a comfy shitposting device but they are as expensive as a x220 so I don't know.

Also might try the 810 g1.

>>60199347
again, you can replace motherboard in x120e with edge 11 one, which has i3-380um cpu on it.

>>60199380
wtf is a UM processor? Precursor to ULV?

>>60197273
keyboards on them are like typing on a wet sponge

last line where you could do a kb swap was the **30

the **40 was when quality really started going downhill

>>60199504
Some people like them. I don't. I'm not sure why you're arguing against preference. Plenty prefer the new keyboard. There's nothing wrong with having options.

>>60199380
It has a passmark score of 1162...
idk, I might try to get one for cheaps and see how it works with a motherboard swap.

If it's shit, I'll rape you

So, what is everyone doing about the Intel AMT in their post-Peryn Thinkpads? Are we going to have to rely on Lenovo to issue a firmware update for our aging xx20s or am I going to have to tinfoil back to my T60p?

>>60199504
Are you just talking about the T series? the quality on the X1 carbon 3rd gen is great. my only complaint is it doesn't snap shut. which i think they fixed by the 5th gen.

>>60199683
https://hardenedlinux.github.io/firmware/2016/11/17/neutralize_ME_firmware_on_sandybridge_and_ivybridge.html

Softmodders need not apply (yes, even **20).

>>60199683
Lenovo released a BIOS update to fix bugs in the T430 last month... it's not unlikely.

T400 or T420

What should I buy as a secondary computer ?
> It will be my first Chinkpad

>>60199683
>Are we going to have to rely on Lenovo to issue a firmware update for our aging xx20s
https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/us/en/product_security/ps500104

Seems like they are fixing it, though it's listed as at least a month away. It also sounds like people who have never configured AMT (so 99% of non-business users) are safe from the remote vulnerabilities in the meantime, right?

>>60198124
Also, a word of common sense:
Don't actually use the back panel as a chalkboard. As much fun my colleagues and I had drawing stupid shit on it, random words and letters managed to get permanently etched into the plastic. At least nobody got fingerprints on the screen.

>>60197780
>Ubuntu
lmao

Holy shit.
I thought this was all a meme.
Saw on eBay a grade A refurb X220 for £90.
Got it down to £55 with no HDD or RAM.

Threw 8GB DDR3 and a 120GB SSD in.

It's the best thing ever. The trackpoint is amazing to use, i never thought I would like it but not having to take your hands off the home row makes so much sense now, make going between nVIM other applications so much better.

And the keyboard. Oh my god. It's better than any mechanical I have owned or used, this laptop has literally only been used for presentations.

just ordered a 9 cell and new WiFi card, going to pick up an mSata SSD and turn it into a hackintosh for shits and giggs.

I also just bid on another...

>>60199539
I don't see how anyone can like typing on mushy chiclet shit that has poor tactile and sound feedback but whatever. They also fucked a layout that wasn't broken. Cheap chiclet Dell desktop keyboards feel better to type on than standard X line chiclets imo.
>there's nothing wrong with having options
Except you don't have options because Gookovo decided to throw away a perfectly good layout and keyboard design to get the Acer crowd

>>60200546
The T440p has a significantly better touchpad for those who use the touchpad a lot.

And I don't mean the meme one, I mean that if you swap it you get a normal sized one with better buttons instead of the garbage that exists on pre-**40 series where it's a sticker on top of the palmrest.

>>60200546
the *20 keyboard flexes a lot.fuck that chink trash
t43p masterrace.

>>60199055
anybody?

Is #/tpg/ dead? Can't connect to it.

Can anyone link me to some good cheap thermal pads? I have lots of thinkpads I need to clean out

>>60200796
we moved to discord

>>60200968
There's a discord?

>>60197539
>>60197560
>>60197780
I figured it out, turns out you need to leave the first three sections of the MAC address unchanged, otherwise the hardware rejects it and just automatically reverts it. I'm a bit surprised, I didn't expect to have to do that on a Thinkpad.

>>60201317
You sure it's first three? Normally it's just the first octet, or you need to change the first octet to 02.

Don't blame IBM/Lenovo, that's nearly always a WLAN card restriction.

>>60200580
I was talking about the kb
maybe you replied to the wrong post

>>60201467
No, I know. I'm just saying, options. There's no "perfect" ThinkPad currently in my opinion. 20/30 come close, but there are good things about the **40 series that is overlooked.

x230t from ebay.

Replaced Thermal Compound

Still 53c :(

Anyone?

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>>60201518
I suppose it's subjective but 20/30 is the closest to perfect since it has the old style body builds and you can retrofit a 20 line keyboard onto a 30 with bios mod

I heard the 40 had some thermal issues combined with the redesign fuckup so that doesn't put it into a very good light. Ofcourse, you can get a good touchpad in a 40 but you're stuck with chiclet. I don't have a source on the thermal problems, iirc I heard it on here

It's funny how we're moving further and further away from good quality with every gen release

>>60201783
you did all there was to do right?

replace compound and clean fan intakes is all there is to it afaik

I wouldn't worry too much. P

my thinkpad that I use in a docking station is producing random gibberish when I type with an external keyboard. What could be causing this?

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I'm being offered a free laptop as a gift for finishing my first degree. I want to get something new. Are newer Dell Latitudes better than newer Thinkpads? This one is mainly gonna be for work and school and I plan on duel-booting windows and a *nix distro on it, probably Debian.

>>60201783
53C is bad? Intel CPUs are designed to handle much more than that. As long as it is quiet when idle, it is ok. Don't expect much more than a couple of degrees when you replace thermal paste anyways.

>>60201840
Eh again, good quality is subjective. I have a P50s from last gen and I'm returning it because I like my "new" modded T430 better and Lenovo has been (((repairing))) my P50s for nearly two months (I could do it, but I didn't wanna shell out for parts when I had warranty).

What I dislike about the newer gens is the keyboard and lack of moddability. They're still the best consumer laptops IMO.

>>60201969
Max specs t470

>>60201783
This is going to sound like a stupid reply (which it is), but you just convinced me the chicklet keyboard isn't so bad.

It seems the xx30 Thinkpads can get the old one anyway, but on a tablet version of the laptop it's like, who gives a fuck? The thing's a hedonist machine anyway so maybe just swallow what it offers withot worrying too much.

When it's not a tablet though your "who cares" buffer is gone so I don't know.

>>60201969
My number one fear when ordering a Thinkpad online is its formerly being used by a chain smoker (or smoker period). Even if I record myself opening the package I worry there's no observable proof the thing smells like and is coated by inhaled cancer stick.

>>60202247
I think buying one that used to be used for education or business is the best thing to do.

>>60202273
I read a blurb a long time ago that said the entire appeal of used Thinkpads is they're bought in bulk by business entities then mass sold a few years down the road, flooding the market with reliable, lightly-used machinery. So I think that's standard, but still...

I guess you mean watch whose hands I'm buying from, but it's all second-hand anyway, no?

>>60202320
Nobody really smokes outside of breaks when they are working or studying. I think your fear only applies to personal sales.

>>60202021
>(((repairing))) my P50s for nearly two months
holy fuck seriously? All warranties I ever dealt with was on site in max three days response

Didnt even have to ship. That's one thing they excel at from my experience. Never thought they would take that long with a top of the line P50

>>60197246
Found the guy who only likes air cooled Porches and buys tubes only made from the sixties and before.

>>60197919
I don't mind it, but some later ThinkPads (I am thinking X1C3) felt the nub was a bit too low.

>>60198514
desu I'm probably going to get a ThinkPad Edge E130 w/ 1.7GHz i5-3317u
I want it to see if it is better than the i3 X131e I have.
It's like the X130e without the big ass bumpers

X120e is OK but get the best AMD CPU you can find. a 1.4GHz from schools is just... terrible

>>60200402
Damnit /g/ he is a goner

>>60200968
where it at doe?

>>60201969
>duel booting
I think the sllim precisions are nifty, looks better than a W550s

>>60202021
Damn that sucks.
Did you post that you were excited getting one of these a few months back?

>>60196941
Hey OP put /tpg/ in the subject next time.
Some people auto-add it to their thread watcher

>>60202349
Yea that pissed me off enough to pimp out a T430 to replace it. I'm selling my P50s as soon as it comes back, if that ever fucking happens.

X201 user here. I want to upgrade to one of the newer X models (newer than x220). Give me a quicj rundown on the newer thinjpads. Some disirables:

No touchscreen
Buttons

>>60202534
>desu I'm probably going to get a ThinkPad Edge E130 w/ 1.7GHz i5-3317u
isn't the edge series trash?

>>60202534
>i3 X131e
give it to mee
REEEEEEE

Can I hotswap my HDD caddy and insert the DVD one? I'm using a T420 if that's relevant.

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>>60202813
Yes, it is.
I believe the all of the 11" X-Series share the same body and frame as the edge models, only some slightly different cosmetics.

I think there is an X140e or X141e that might have an i5, but the E130e is much more aquirable.
The i3 X130e was just a fluke, though it does look a bit garbage after i dropped in a X120e display that doesn't look right. :)

Anywho, you can get mSATA on the X130's and later, X100 and X120 are missing out.

>>60202852
It gets pretty hot.
I use it as backup at my work since I have X120e displays lying around.

>>60202956
>Yes, it is.
Sorry, do you mean it's in fact trash?

saucey don't make me buy something I'll regret. looking for a comfyposting <12" laptop.

>>60201996
my t430 ran at 35-40 :(

>>60202855
Yes

>>60203241
lol get the i5 E130 and u wont regret it.
It's just not as awesome as an X30 or X61. Dat build quality

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Is a HP EliteBook 8560w worth buying for ~380USD?

It's got a Core i7- 2820QM (4 cores, 8 threads) and NVIDIA Quadro 1000M graphics.

Also is 1600x900 a good resolution, unlike the 1366x768 eye cancer

>>60203758
Anything below 1080p is pretty shitty, but below 15 inches it's at least bearable.

>>60203692
>lol get the i5 E130 and u wont regret it.
looking through ebay I can't seem to find any.

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So I Just upgraded my x230's screen and added an SSD.

I plan on maxing out the RAM. Any recommendation on which Brand/Retailer to buy it from?

>>60203801
The cheapest as long as it's not fucking Kingdan or something.

It literally doesn't matter.

>>60203825
this.
brand ram is a scam. they are all made by samsung, sk hynix, micron and I don't know who else.

So I bought a thinkpad t420s and put linux on it like most of you guys, but battery life went to shit even after calibration and setting it up correctly. Is win7 just better in that aspect because of better driver support/hardware level support? I don't want to have to use wangblows just to get more than an hour out of the thing. I can always buy an ultrabay battery but I doubt that'll make up the difference. Even just browsing some times will drain the battery in an hour. ACPI is showing 64% capacity which is also shit but I tested it at the shop (little mom and pop that sells refurbished laptops) and it showed 94% capacity.

>>60204104
Yes, battery life on Linux is terrible

>>60204146

Do neets on /g/ just not go anywhere then? Because everything is running amazingly well for productivity on intel graphics but without battery to support it it's useless

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>>60204180
>Do neets on /g/ just not go anywhere

>>60200206
Theoretically, a computer also needs to be plugged in on Ethernet for this exploit to work, right? I fail to see how one could exploit this over WiFi, especially if the killswitch is activated.

I might go back to using my T400 until the W530 patch is released in June.

>>60204894

kind of what I thought. I'll probs stick with linux on it for now and get an ultrabay battery but win7 is looking attractive just for long term usage if I'm working

>>60202320
>reliable, lightly-used machinery.
in rare cases
most of them are in an abused state

also, if you're that peculiar about buying used try to find a good local deal so you can see it beforehand

>>60202673
that's ridiculous
I don't get how this happened with aa P50s.

I've had a tech come to me to repair my iirc standard warranty lower end shitpads like X lines. I've never even had to send anything in. I don't get why you were treated differently for an expensive model like that

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>>60205321
:^)

>>60205445
shit, here I thought their warranty was still respectable

anything but onsite is trash service apparently
Thanks for giving me one less reason to ever buy Gookovo again
Why did you need to ship yours to the repair center? Do they not offer onsite for a high end like the P50?

>>60205706
I was busy and didn't read up enough on it.(also assumed some shady third party "lenovo approved" shop was gonna fuck with it).

To any anon with an x220.
Some anon told me I could get nearly 6 hours out of the 9-cell battery? Is that on a new one and would that be on the i7 or i5 version? Which OS?
Looking forward to buying one, plz help me become a proud owner.

>>60204180
>Do neets on /g/
what do you think

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>>60199027
Absolutely great linux support.

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>>60200132
T430, i7 quad with 35w tdp, 16gb 2133mhz, msata(satatII) ssd or sataIII ssd, and an alienware screen and a dock.

>>60203758
400 bucks seems a little too much for a 2nd gen i7, especially in a HP shitter. How much ram does it have and is there an SSD?
1600x900 is nice on my 14" T430 but I'm not sure you'll like it on a 15,6" machine. I'd go with a full hd screen, for example:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-Thinkpad-W530-Laptop-Quad-Core-i7-2-7GHZ-8GB-128GB-SSD-Windows-10-Pro-64-/371937713619?hash=item5699371dd3:g:xUEAAOSwrhBZCPRo

>>60204104
>>60204146

you need TLP. throttle the shit out of your CPU when running on battery. I throttle my 4500u to 1.4 ghz and a full battery will last me days. Barely notice a performance impact either.

also check your CPU and device states with powertop

>>60205764
nah, onsite service is the only good way to go. They offer that with the warranties I dealt with. They send someone to you that disassembles the laptop in front of you and fixes it. Weird experience really but impressive. I'm wondering now if this was a standard warranty package since it seems way too good of a service

I've never dealt with shipping anything to Gookovo because I thought it would be shitty, which you just confirmed

>>60201379
I'm not sure, but that's what I read on some forum, and it seems to have worked.

>>60206077
>i7 quad with 35w tdp
>not the 45w one
you fucked up

>>60206121

I've got TLP, default config though since I've read everywhere that it'll work just fine at default. I thought it handled throttling on its own pretty well?

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t420 or t430?
I need an ExpressCard slot as I fancy doing an egpu setup in the future. I like the modern looking keyboard of the t430. But doesn't the t430 have less I/O? What do an buy?

>>60196941
What does hardmod vs softmod refer to? I've been looking through all the OP resources and I can't find anything on it.

>>60207310
This.


I assume it's related to bios modding? As in the hardmods require physical hardware?

>>60207310
>hardmod vs softmod
hardmod is hard and softmod is soft :)

Opinions on L412 ?

>>60206077
>i7 quad
>35 watt
Why do you hate having money? They're the same shit running at the same house fire levels but more expensive due to muh cherry picking

Price is not an issue, and I must buy a factory new machine, not a refurbish. Is the X260 good?

>>60207264
>T430 has less io
You need to stop getting your advice from reddit
The main differences between the T430 and the T420 (besides the keyboard and libreboot and all the other gay shit only autists really care about) is the igpu and USB 3.0. Since you're planning on using this for gaymen you might was get the T430 for the better igpu.

>>60201783
Wich cpu do you have?
the i7 or i5

>>60207310
It's OP being a huge faggot and changing the pasta based on how he feels it should be

>>60208236
Don't.

>>60196941
>softmod
>hardmod
OP please don't make shit up.
Also xx40 series isn't anymore "modern" and "capable" than the xx30 series you faggot
Either do it right or copy and paste the old shit

X61 with t7300, 2GB ram, ultrabase for 45 dollars worth?

>>60208853
think for yourself

>>60208661
why ?

>>60208968
depending what price you could get it for ofc

>>60209006
60 bux. But appart from that what's wrong with this model ?

>>60209072
It's not the T, P, W or XC series but 60 dollarinos is a pretty compelling price

>>60209652
I meant X not XC.

>>60208853
Compare it to what it's worth on ebay

>>60209072
it has like a first gen i5 right? thats a good price for a laptop like that but I dont kno about build quality

>>60209072
It's a mediocre model of a fairly mediocre generation of thinkpads. If you actually want something functional and that's your price then it's probably fine, but as an owner of a reasonably specced T410, I'd personally either go for a bit older just for a 4:3 screen, or for a sandy bridge model so I have reasonable performance, but then you're compromising on performance and price+screen ratio respectively.

>>60209680
I didnt see much really and theres like always 1 of whatever item you look up thats like triple the price.

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>>60208529
>>60206971

It was like one hundred. What are my options in terms of 45w? Anything ivy bridge and mobile? Dont want to burn my shit up or have to lug the 90w vs the 65w charger if i can avoid it. my understanding is its not in-spec but would prob run ok. I got the 3632QM its coming to me in the mail.

Does anyone have a physical comparison of the X270 rear battery? I can't find one online.

>>60209946
I can't speak for the charger but I can say that the 35 watt variant runs as hot as the 45 watt variant. You might have to upgrade your heat sink to the dgpu one

>>60209946
K im going with the i7-3840QM and a better heatsink. Fuck you guys.

>>60210010
Is the dGPU one really necrssary? They have a HS with a better fan assembly that's supposed to be ok. I read its marginal gains with thebdGPu one

I'm buying my first laptop in 5 days. I've been seriously thinking about the x220 tablet with a core i7 with an SSD.

Is there something I should watch out for that I haven't read on the guide?

Sorry if already asked a gorillion times but newfag here.

Discovered Intel ME's shit a week ago like a fucking normy and it really made me think.

From know I'll loke to keep my sensitive data on a secured laptop.

Am I better to wait for a second hand X200 on my remote island ? Or will I get a better time buying a X220/230/240 and applying Me_Cleaner on top ?

Also this could be a perfect occasion to try a Linux distro so Libreboot / Coreboot is a plus.

>>60210279
the x200 is amazing I would highly recommend one at some point in your life. they are cheap and durable like all thinkpads but the ability to libreboot it makes it so worth.

look up "luke smith x200" on youtube to see what pulled my trigger or not if you dont care dont wanna look like some shill

>>60209945
Set ebay to show Sold Listings, anything with small volumes is too unreliable just off of what's currently available.

>>60200206
If I had kept my Y510p instead of "upgrading" to a T530, I wouldn't have to deal with this shit.

Considering how obsessed /g/ is over Google or Microsoft backdoors, they seem surprisingly willing to overlook Intel ones embedded into the fucking processor.

>>60210444
wow ebay lets you check sold listings! TIL
thanks for this probably known information

>>60209722
Agthually i paid 17.5 dollaritos for the laptop (i5 520m) on ebay but i paid total 60 bux because i am a europoor and shipping from murica is expensive. It came with no ram hdd and power supply. But i only had to buy a power supply. Performance wise it does what i need. It even came with a 9 cell battery with 18% wear so i am happy. But i cant understand why they are underrated. I have not tried a better thinkpad but i can't understand how the "build quality" can be better. Do they use metal for the casing ? For example my brother has an HP 8560p but i can't say that it feels better in terms of robustness.

>>60203798
dont get any E, dude. they're shit

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I guess it's time to find out if this is a meme. Did I pay a good price for this?

>>60208236
>L*
haha no

>>60211424
>almost 200 euro
>good
by American standards that's a shit price but Yurup prices are crazy so it's easier for you to answer that

>>60210443
Not him but that guy made multiple vids on the x200, including one two months ago, which do you recommend watching

>>60211424
not bad with that ssd

>>60211726

Its hard to find models here that are cheap, have good specs, and have no stupid hardware damage. Its choose two.

>>60210223
>>60210243
I'm typing this on a T430 3840QM w/dGPU heatsink.

Do it, temps are fine. Hottest I get is 90C after hours of straight gaming at high loads.

>>60208699
you retarded son?

>>60211911
always surprised at how shitty the used markets are over there

bought an X230T years ago for 150USD in perfect condition with battery. Burgerland is great. So much offlease stuff floating around for pennies

What are my options for a 1080p W510 screen if I need one?

Will I just have to bum around on ebay until specifically a W510 one shows up? What will the chances be?

>>60211962

My dad has an office in Reston which he visits once or twice a year. I needed this laptop kinda soon, but if I enjoy this model I'm just going to order them to the office and he can collect it when he visits. No way I'm paying 35-60 euro on shipping.

X230 vs x250. What one do I get

>>60212000
Why would you buy the W510 when the W520 is the same thing only better, and will also be receiving the patch for the Intel AMT bug in a month or two (whereas the W510 is not scheduled to receive any patches)?

To answer your question, basically all W series are 1080p screens.

>>60212037
yeah, just go crazy buying when you can ship to the US address. You could probably even find way cheaper offers that are listed domestically

make sure to get a good battery too. They're getting harder to come by

>>60212060
X230 if you're stuck on the old design aesthetic and are looking for a cheaper option although keep in mind its age

X250 if you like the new shitware that Gookovo is putting out and calling Thinkpad. You'll probably benefit from a way better screen than stock options on the X230 (the panels on the X230 are complete shit, even the IPS tablet ones). Also, obviously newer gen hardware

>>60212104
The cheapest W520 was at least twice the price of my W510.

My original plan was to only get a 1080p Thinkpad to ensure I'm not cucked by my 1080p torrents. i was lurking for it, but I spotted this W510 for cheaper than others, and none on the market stated their res.

But yeah. I guess I'll hope for a fucked mobo W510 but are W520 screens compatible with the W510?

>>60212158
A reasonable post about modern gen ThinkPads? Get the fuck out of here Apple shill.

>>60212158
I thought the x230 and x250 share the same design? What's different about the builds?

>>60212233
heh, I've given up on the memepad. I'm sitting on my X230T for main use (with X200 and X200T on the side). If I need to pay out the pocket for a new machine it's not going to be Gookovo unless there are major changes at this point. There is way too much stupidity happening to the line. Funny really how the Chinks had acquired a very good design formula and they had to go fucking it up to conform to Apple users.

If im using the wrong charger the laptop will warn me right? A T520 with i5 and igpu doesnt need a 90w brick correct?

>>60212457
I'm using a 170W on a T430, which uses 45W/90W to charge normally. It will charge faster.

>>60212473
Not him but is there even such a thing as a wrong Thinkpad charger, then?

>>60212635
Yes. My friend's W530 will not charge with my old 65W or 90W charger. Reasoning for this is it will charge significantly slower. W530 draws more power overall, thus will charge VERY slow or even not at all if the power draw jumps above 65W.

However, since we have the same batteries, if I charge it in mine and then put that battery into his laptop, it works fine, but if his laptop were to suddenly jump above 65W on an adapter, but shit could happen, especially if there was no battery plugged in..

tl;dr Using a low wattage adapter might not work, but using a higher than spec always will.

>>60212635
probably not because only voltage matters in terms of right/wrong and they're all standardized at 20V even if they draw a different current

>>60212750
>>60212769
Whoa this is excellent news to be honest. I'm way less scared now of listings without an AC adapter.

You always hear talk of "chink" batteries, but no talk of power adapters, so I really didn't want to be alone without one and no resources.

>>60212750
I'm not an expert in this but I was wondering if charging a battery on a higher amp power source would have any bad effects on it in the long run

>>60212802
Careful though, there is one caveat of using a high wattage charger.

If it charges too fast (yes, that's a thing), the cells heat up faster, which will degrade the battery over its lifespan. So there is a tradeoff.

It won't *fry* your battery, but if you constantly use a 170W charger for a battery/circuit rated for 65/90W, it will die faster..

>>60212750
Doesn't the W series have these weird notches that prevent the power adapters from being used on other Thinkpads?

>>60212845
>If it charges too fast (yes, that's a thing), the cells heat up faster, which will degrade the battery over its lifespan. So there is a tradeoff.
thanks, that answers >>60212845

>>60212857
It doesn't actually do anything.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/thinkpad-adapter-resistor-values.681124/

>>60212857
not sure about that but they moved away from standard barrel connectors on the new """Thinkpads"""" as well

I posted a couple weeks ago about having a T510 that I spilled tea on not wanting to boot. Tried cleaning it up with isopropyl and never got any response. Ended up ordering a new motherboard.
Motherboard got in yesterday and I've got the whole thing wired up with the keyboard and top fascia removed. but the keyboard plugged in for power button.
When I plug the power adapter in (no battery) nothing happens, but when I unplug everything inside down to just the cpu and the keyboard it will boot up roughly 1 in 4 times. Then I go, plugging in components 1 or two at a time and it works semi consistently until nothing works and I have to pull everything off again.

Any ideas what the problem is? Could the cpu be shot?

>>60213157
Sounds like something is shorting somewhere. If you swapped the mobo, it's probably the CPU unless the mobo refuses to boot with other components missing. Could also be RAM.

>>60213157
when you spill shit on a unit its better just to replace the whole thing

ordering a new mobo and hoping it will work in conjunction to other possibly waterdamaged components seems like a bad idea

>>60213233
>>60213240
Also you might have already fried your new mobo by connecting shorted components to it lmao.

>>60213240
Thinking about pulling the trigger on an x250. What price is a good deal? $530?

>>60213334
depends on your geographic location, specs, condition etc

hard to answer

>>60213315
>>60213240
>>60213233
shiiiiiiit.
And I suppose buying a new cpu to throw in wouldn't fix it either then.

>>60213500
T510 models should be dirt cheap now if you're in USA
Stop wasting time and money guessing which components are fried and get a new unit

That's the whole point of memepads. Abuse and throw away

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I think my T500 is pretty much maxed out now.

>T9600 2.8GHz CPU
>Switchable ATI Radeon HD 3650 GPU
>1920x1200 screen with LED backlight

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>>60213972
>1920x1200 screen with LED backlight
any idea if its better than the generic one? Im fine with 1680x1050 res but the screen itself is shit. I have t500 too btw.

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>>60214130
I used http://www.iccfl.com/lenovo-t500-w500-t61p-t60p-backlight-upgrade-backlight-p-17063.html kit to convert old backlight to LED one.

Bit mixed feeling of it, because there's now flicker on low brightness and installation was bit pain.

>>60208543
T470

my x201 keeps shutting even after replacing the thermal paste and cleaning it out.

please don't let it be dead.

>>60214643
You're using a 6 year old computer. What do you expect?

>>60206077
you can't have 16gb 2133mhz ram running at 2133mhz in t430, you lying piece of shit
Provide cpuz proof or fuck off.

>>60214643
I had overheating problem with my t500, the dGPU went easily over 100c causing t500 to shut down. I tired changing the paste but it didn't help, so I said fuck it and put thermal pad on it instead of paste(on the dgpu and the other chip, cpu works fine with paste), and it worked.

Trying to decide between a p51 and p51s, really just need that extra bit of graphics in case University projects require Autodesk sort of stuff

If there is a 940mx option in something light like a t470 then maybe that would be the way to go

>>60215523
XPS 15?

>>60215634
Wew

I like the XPS 15 but seeing that the cooling solution is a fan pointed downwards seemingly choking for air I have to doubt it won't be a throttle festival compared to Thinkpads with big vents

>>60213550
I disagree. I have a ton of parts lying around so I can assemble a new one from them. The only issue with his case is he doesn't know what the damage was, so he could fuck up new parts he just bought.

They're cheap, but it's still cheaper to buy individual parts.

>>60213972
>not core 2 duo extreme
Nope.

T430s much worse battery life than normal T430? Guide doesn't really specify and I see the s models more often and for cheaper

>>60216285
Yes. It has a soldered CPU that draws the same amount of power yet a smaller battery.

If you want a soldered CPU and good battery, the T440 is the successor to the T430s and has SIGNIFICANTLY better battery life since that model runs on the first gen ULVs which draw 20W less power.

>>60216327
T440 has the meme trackpad though, I don't particularly feel like tearing it open to replace unless it's easy to do

Hello /tpg/,
I have a HMT351S6CFR8C-H9 4GB DDR3 ram module, and I want to buy another 8GB one.
I came across this one: CT102464BF160B (http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/ct102464bf160b)
I know it is a DDR3L. My question is if it will work as a DD3R in sync with the other 4GB module on my T420.
Anybody familiar with this? (I want that 8GB DDR3L because I might get another one in the future to get 16gigs)

Should I steer clear of the newest Thinkpads?

>>60216386
No, don't buy the meme.

>>60196941
>X240 - 12.5", ultraportable
This piece of shit is fucking disgusting

>fn+end as insert
>no media keys
>ULV CPU that's worse than X230 in performance

>>60216399
Aren't Thinkpads a meme themselves?
So what you are saying is that I should get a Dell

>>60216462
>single channel RAM so the iGPU performs worse than X230 too
bravo lelnovo

>>60216355
You don't tear it open. You literally pop it out without disassembling anything else.

>>60216482
not to mention max RAM is capped at 1x8GB

>>60216482
>>60216462

Should have noted this in the OP, oops. Still a good recommendation for those who really want ULV. Not everyone wants to carry a slice or have a 5 hour battery.

>>60216486
The video I just watched showed a pretty good disassembly anon.

>>60216517
Oops disregard, been a while.

I'd still recommend it if you want a T430s with better battery and can stand the new keyboard. The disassembly isn't that bad.

>>60198514
I have one of these fuckers and have for years. It's slow as shit and I don't think I could sell it to anyonw. If you want small get an x220.

>>60212000
this is my post

So are W520 and W510 screens compatible with the eacn other's model? Do I have any other options for a 1080p screen for a W510?

>>60216513
I'm pretty sure the Haswell chipset can handle 16GB sticks, but with only one slot it's not any sort of advantage.

>>60217174
Yeah it can handle 16GB.

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>>60196941
dont mind me, i have nothinng to contribute to this thread, but I just bought T420 with 256gb of RAM and all other good shit, but the reason I am thyping this because I cannot belive how good the keyboard is, so I am just typing hre because I have nowhere else to type realy, and on normiebook my answers are to short to enjoy keybord for what it is, so I my just as well type here to my autistic friends

I had normal keyboards and this new macbook style keyboard on my laptop for some time and i loved id, but now I have really seen the light
I thought it is just a meme

All in all, Thinkpads are a meme, but a good meme

>>60217281
Cool story bro.

Another one of the billions of X220 owners

I want to put linux on the thing

But I want good battery life

Is this actually possible?

for some reason the red light of the fingerprint reader on my x220 just turned on.

h4x0rs rumors aside, how do I turn it off? unfortunately this thinkpad is second hand and I cannot access this BIOS settings since I don't know the BIOS password. fingerprint-gui and libpam-fprintd didn't have any options of turning it off.

https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/pl/en/product_security/ps500104

>x200 series unaffected (has ME v4.x)
>x220 series affected, but Lenovo will release patched ME firmware
>x201 series affected, but no mention of Lenovo intending to patch it

Why? Are all x201 utterly fucked and kill now?

>>60217881
>but Lenovo will release patched ME firmware

Oh no, no more modded BIOS

>>60217881
Just flash it out you lazy fuck

>>60217725
Are you still in 2011 or something? Linux gets good battery life now.

>>60217281
>256gb of RAM

So what's the story with T450? Is a baseline T450 worth getting over an upgraded T430?

>>60217881
Isn't this only relevant if you have AMT enabled and configured anyway?

>>60218387
I don't think you can even disable it anyways

>>60218430
There's an option to do so in the BIOS.

>>60218278
No, of course not. why would you assume that?

>>60218466
Yeah, but at least on the X220 it doesn't do dick. You can disable it, but when saving and restarting it just enables itself again.

>>60218466
It only stops the OS from having access. Intel's backdoor is still there and usable by them or the ME exploit. only way to fully remove it is to SPI Flash a cleaned BIOS.

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>X220 IPS
>screen burn in and image retention

I wish I stuck with my T420's shitty screen over this curse

>>60218498
Worked on my X201s and W520. I'll try with an X220 in a moment.

>>60218506
[citation needed]

bought a used t420 about 2-3 years ago and the mobo failed a few days ago. scored a new one for $90 off ebay, it arrived yesterday. not only is it in better condition physically but it no longer overheats under load.. pretty chill

I'm going to uni for computer engineering next semester, which ThinkPad would suit me best? I know I want a model that comes with a 7 row keyboard (pls no chiclet) for less than $400 CAD.

I'm leaning towards either the t420/x220 since theyre the most modern while having the old keyboard but I'm also interested in librebooting so the x200/t400/x60 also interest me. I'm also unsure whether a 12 inch screen is enough or if 14 inches is worth sacrificing portability.

>>60218430
>>60218498

Yep. Confirmed on an x201 that you can't really disable it fully (short of doing the latest thing with deleting most of the ME firmware from SPI flash, which is not trivial to do, risks bricking the unit, and isn't really guaranteed to _fully_ disable undesired shit in ME anyway).

On a x201, If you keep AMT "disabled" in the BIOS, it will still show the SoL and HECI/MEI devices in device manager, and an Intel control utility shows that AMT is "enabled" and so are all of its features.

Another option is to set AMT to "enabled" in the BIOS, but then go into MEBx via ^P and set the ME to "disabled", but the result is not acceptable - the unit will take very long to go through POST, and the fan will act completely dead (obviously resulting in bad overheating, unless you underclock, undervolt, and never tax the CPU too much).

So the last option left is to set AMT to "enabled" in the BIOS, and then in MEBx leave ME enabled, but selectively set all specific AMT features to "disabled". Unfortunately, you still cannot disable the network stack - you either have to leave it at DHCP, or set a manual IP configuration (IP and netmask is the bare minimum), and the ME will at send a gratutious ARP into the LAN right after turning the unit on.

(What is even more scary is that the fucking thing somehow remembers the last hostname: no matter if the last OS that was booted into was Windows or Linux, if you perform a shutdown, remove PSU, battery, hold the power button for some time to drain the caps etc., and then power it back on, the ME will almost immediately send out a gratuitios ARP packet featuring the IP/netmask AND THE LAST HOSTNAME IT HAD IN THE OS. If the fucker can grab the hostname way from the OS network stack AND store it somehow so it survives a reboot, that indeed is extremely disconcerting).

>>60218527
>Worked on my X201s

Yea right. Just because it says "disabled" in the BIOS doesn't mean anything, the times where you could rely on the CPU manufacturer and motherboard OEM to play fair are over. Use the ME Verirication Utility and you will see that all the AMT features are still reported as fully enabled. AIDA64 will confirm it too (look in Computer > DMI > AMT, both Serial over Lan and IDE Redirection will still be "enabled"). Also try monitoring the LAN port, you will see packets sent by the ME without any OS having been booted.

All that shit was going on before anyway, and now there's a confirmed vulnerability with exploits waiting to emerge (or having already, for all we know), and the x201 is basically confirmed NOT to get a patch against it (somehow the oldest systems Lenovo appears to intend to patch happen to coincide with the oldest Thinkpads being recommended in /tpg/ these days, namely the x220 and T420).

>>60218481
Muh newer gen processors

>>60218705
see >>60219238 and >>60219342. With AMT "disabled" in the BIOS, the MEI/HECI still pops up in device manager, diagnostic utilities communicating to the ME via MEI/HECI report AMT stuff to be enabled, and there's still network packets sent out by the ME during POST - what else do you need?

>>60218951
dell e6440 with fhd ips and quadcore.
don't fall for the libreboot meme.

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thinking of buying a t420 with hdd for cheap. could I replace the hdd with a ssd samsung mz-7td120 I have lying around or would it not fit. Sorry for being tech illiterate

>>60219516
The only reason I'd be wary of the dell is dells have a slightly cheaper feel to them. I've had too many cracked palmrests on dell laptops

>>60219551
dell latitudes and hp elite books as as good in quality as thinkpads, they tend to be cheaper also, because no memetax

does anyone know anything or can point me to documentation on the hardware "whitelist" that some thinkpads supposedly have?

i have a t430 with a dead wireless card, i have a dead macbook (mid 2010) with an intel whatever wireless card. i've heard that i cant stick the macbooks card in my t430 because of some hardware whitelist that would require a bios flash

>>60219606
Is the HP 2760p any good? I like the idea of a tablet laptop. I was mainly looking at either that or the 2570p from HP's offerings. Lack of optical drive on the 2760p is a bit of a bummer though

>>60219545
yes a standard 2.5" SSD will fit

>>60219638
tablet laptops are a meme. x220t/x230t, hp 810 (the successor to the 2760p IIRC) or the thinkpad yoga if you need one.

>>60219723
x220t is better than 2760p? They look about the same to me anon

You say it's a meme but I've always kinda wanted one

>>60219754
get the x220t, the 2760p I believe doesn't have ips display.

>>60219765
>no IPS
Okay yeah, x220t it is

>Budget:
~400€
>Location:
Croatia
>Size:
14-15", not too thick
>Performance:
Need a quad core CPU and graphics good enough to run GTA:SA at 60fps at a decent resolution plus h.264 hardware acceleration. A GPU good enough to run CS:GO at 80+fps at any resolution would be a huge plus.
>Other requirements:
Nice build, 900+p IPS screen would be really nice (Or even a TN screen with a 500+:1 contrast ratio) and I'd like it to stay cool during load with no erratic fan control.

So far I've been looking at
>ThinkPad T530 (i7-3610QM/NVS5400M/180GB SSD/1080p/400€)
>EliteBook 8560p (i7-2620M/HD6470M/no HDD/?p/200€)
>Latitude E6420 (i7-2760QM/NVS4200M/320GB 7200rpm/900p/300€)
>Latitude E6430 (i7-3720QM/NVS5200M/320GB 7200rpm/900p/410€)

Are latitudes as good as thinkpads in general?

>>60219783
Latitude E6440 with FHD IPS and quad core ivy bridge.
Or modded t430 with quadcore ivy bridge and alienware display.

>>60219927
>alienware display.
Is this hard to do

>>60219888
Clit and keyboard don't quite compare. More or less equal in all other aspects. Comes down to personal preference, really.

>>60220025
no but you mght need an extra cable, the display is TN but at least not as shit as the normal ones.

>>60220244
Does it require any soldering?

>>60220264
no, check the wiki for more info.

>>60219707
thanks for your help, saved me a few dollars!

>>60220418
Don't get gimped by sata2 !

Are there any OLED laptops that aren't trash?

Thoughts on the ideapad 710s or is it another meme ultrabook that will overheat?

>>60221035
>ideapad

no one here has any thoughts on it

>>60221035
>Thoughts on the ideapad 710s
I don't think about it

I'm having some serious issues with the battery currently on the x230 i5 3360m quad core. The battery percentage goes from 90% to 66% in less than 15 minutes. Has anyone else experienced this?

>>60221651
also quick note, when running tlp, tlp says its at 85% battery capacity.

>>60221651
run a battery reset through lenovo's power manager

>>60221726
I'm on Ubuntu, not Windows.

I'm aware there are 3 suppliers for xx20 keyboards, but which one is best and what is the FRU of said best supplier?

>>60221746
sorry to hear

>>60221746
>I'm on Ubuntu, not Windows.
Found your problem lol, unironically. Batery options are fucked on linux

>>60221821
NMB 45N2211.
Avoid alps, can't tell you anything about chicony but AFAIK the nbm is the best.

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so rossman just put out a video on an x230 screen mod
thought you might like to know

posting from my new (and first) thinkpad boys!

About to grab a T440p for $250. Wish me luck.

I got a 410 and 420 laying around I got on the cheap, in usual thinkpad fashion they have dog shit screens, any IPS mods I can do? I was keen on the 51nb 420 mod but the guy is autisitic as fuck about doing orders and I think he has stopped.

>>60222075

Much appreciated.

I have been outside the thinkpad world since the t430 was announced, what are the 430 onward models like? mainly in terms of serviceability, upgradability and repairability?

>>60196941

Is it even worth it to buy a chinkpad? I like business laptops but don't want something 10 years old. Should I bite the bullet and just get a 470p?

>>60222971
the only benefit gotten in the last five years is better battery power/less heat.

>x220 with SSD and 8gb
>TN panel
Total around 350 euros a few years ago

Should I sell it and get a better laptop or just buy a better screen

>>60222985
>less heat
Except they've neutered cooling systems over the years in pursuit of muh thin and light, so shit's still housefire tier. I dunno about the T470p but the T460p would hit like 90C or higher if you didn't have a low spec configuration.

>>60223141
my x220 does that or worse.

>>60222724
getting a better screen requires soldering
>>60223129

t420 or go home imho, the keyboard is godlike, the specs are decent, IME can be neutralized, coreboot/libreboot works, why not get a t420?

>>60213972
>Not a T9900 or X9100
>No express card meme USB 3.0 expansion
>No AC wifi card
Sky's the limit anon

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Thinking about doing a "W430" group buy with the following specs:

- Processor: i7-3632QM Quad Core @ 2.2GHz - Turbo to 3.2GHz (35W) *or* i7-3840QM Quad Core @ 2.8Ghz - Turbo to 3.8GHz (45W)
- RAM: 16GB DDR3L 1600MHz
- Display: Stock 1600 x 900 TN
- Heatsink: dGPU Heatsink Upgrade
- dGPU: None
- Keyboard: Classic 7-row + EC Flash
- Battery/AC Adapter: 135W OEM and 9-cell Genuine Lenovo 70++
- WLAN: Intel 7269 AC
- BIOS: WLAN Whitelist Removed, Intel ME Neutralized, Advanced Menu, Overclocking, AES Unlock

Any interest here? Would you pay $850 for this machine?

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>>60200206
>tfw own T60,T61,T30 and X220
I think I got the last laugh did I? Enjoy your newer hardware in the cost of security.

>>60223434
>freefag has no clue how to wipe ME from newer hardware

l m a o

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DELET THIS

>>60223230
what makes that a "w" ?

>>60223230
>W
>stock 1600x900 TN
>no dGPU
almost as disgraceful as the T440"p" with a dualcore i5 and integrated graphics

especially at your suggested price point, you can get a W530 for nearly half that price and its screen won't make you claw your eyes out

>>60223512
W530 has the same shitty screen, the only difference is it's 1080p.

Good luck, I've been trying to source a FHD/2K kit for months. Even the TaoBao shit is sold out.

>dGPU
Enjoy your house fire.

>>60223438
Even the maker of the me_cleaner script openly admits that the method is both risky as well as there is no actual proof how much it accomplishes in thwarting ME. It's just a non-trivial, experimental hack which may very well result in bricked or unstable hardware and/or data loss with potentially only little to no real (if all the dangerous stuff is hardwired deep into ME circuitry rather than implemented via external SPI flash firmware) gains.

>>60219238
>>60219342
>tfw nobody seems to give a shit about the offputting information in these posts

>>60223525
>W530 has the same shitty screen
You have never even seen a W530 screen. The T430's stock panels are some of the worst ever made for any laptop, while the W530's holds its own even among IPS panels. The colors are fucking crazy good.

>housefire
Another great feature of the W series is that their coolers aren't fucking garbage. They can handle a 45W CPU and 45W GPU doing heavy lifting without a problem, while the 14" T series melts down when you ask anything more than idling from a 35W CPU and 15W GPU.

I just installed msata ssd in my x220 and now my wifi isn't working. What gives?

>>60223595
I never stated the T430 was better than the W530. Of course the larger one has better cooling.

A good friend of mine has had a W530 with the highest res screen option for years. It's not an IPS, it's the same garbage TN quality as the T430. Unless IPS was added long after the W530 launched, and for some reason I haven't heard of it, I'm calling bullshit.

>>60223595
>>60223661
Also, my 45W QM with no dGPU is just fine doing anything.

Is buying a new thinkpad a bad idea?

>>60223595
>W530's holds its own even among IPS panels
This. I thought it was an IPS screen the first time I saw it.

>>60223690
It always was as they are quite expensive when new. Now it's even more than ever given that their quality has been in steady decline since back when Chinknovo took over.

>>60223690
meh.
you're not going to find a better keyboard or battery life.

>>60223661
I never said it was IPS, only that it is good enough to hold its own against IPS panels even though it is TN.

>it's the same garbage TN quality as the T430.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Lenovo-ThinkPad-T430-Notebook.81802.0.html
>Although the manufacturer integrated another display compared with the ThinkPad T420 (Lenovo LP140WD2-TLD2) it has almost the same cheap TN panel. Dark image sections have a lack of flotation depth due to a disappointing black level value of 1.47 cd/m2 and that is the reason for a slightly improved contrast ratio of 178:1.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Lenovo-ThinkPad-W530-N1K43GE-Notebook.80062.0.html
>The good brightness value and the low black value of 0.51 cd/m2 result in a contrast ratio of 537:1. This is not the best value, but compared to other notebooks, it is still good.
>The older ThinkPad W520 also did better with a contrast ratio of 656:1.

Okay, the W520 is the panel I was thinking of, I figured the --30 would at least be on par with it, not worse, typical Lelnovo. But it's still vastly superior to the utter trash in the T430.

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>>60223781
It doesn't matter, w530/W520 screens are interchangeable.

T430/T420 screens are dogshit with contrast ratios of 170:1

W520 screens had the best tn screens in production and with a contrast ratio of 700:1. A MacBook retina with 2k ips has a contrast ratio of 900:1.

The mythlogic shares the same panel who the W520 and the mx14 shares the same screen with the T430 1600x900p. We're comparing a panel with nearly perfect color reproduction here to a screen that can't even manage 50%

And to use the 900p dogshit screen you have to buy a $20 ribbon cable from China. There are like 5 different models and if you fuck up the back light fuse will blow on the motherboard.

W520/W530 panels are also overclockable.

W530 has the best screens out of any pre-ips era ThinkPad. I'm taking about the 4k ips ones. The modern standard issue 1080p ips still doesn't hold up in terms of color.

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Is the T430s a bad idea? Found one going for $175

>>60223907
The slim variants get poor battery life. If that's important to you, look for a normal T430 instead.

>>60223172
is is the nitrocaster mod?

thought it was easier.

>>60223230
>Any interest here? Would you pay $850 for this machine?
I'll just do it myself,.

>>60223781
good luck finding one, they are almost extinct.

>>60223963
V4 and v7 pop up all the time on ebay.

>>60223932
it does say so.

>>60197919
I exclusively use the trackpoint on both my x201 and p50 and don't really notice a difference between the two. I have the concave cap on both of them, though.

>>60196941
Any info on refurbished vs used?
There's a refurbished T420 with 8gb ram and a 1 year warranty on amazon for $250.
https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-Thinkpad-T420-Notebook-Professional/dp/B01GU28ZSU/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1493968753&sr=8-4&keywords=Thinkpad

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