/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

Fuck Stallman and Fuck Free People!

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>>60103553
GNO.

Can someone recommend me distros?

>>60103611
Source Mage GNU/Linux

>>60103515
(((GNU))) and (((GPL))) are promoting (((communism))), say no to (((fglt))) and say yes to /flt/

>>60103611
SMG/L or GN2

>>60103635
Oh, Linux is not GPL software?

>>60103635
look at this retard
look at him and laugh

>>60103635
Libre does not mean gratis. GNU has absolutely zero problem with people being charged for software, and it encourages capitalism and business. The only thing it does not approve of is a business having leverage over what the users do with the program once they have it, but there is no problem with charging them for a libre product. If they wish to buy it and support it, that's their perogative to or not to.

Stop, /pol/.

>>60103635
A free (You) also from me, fellow master troll. Now go back to funnyjunk.

Does WinUSB work with Hiren's CD? I need to repair my WinShit's Boot BCD shit

>>60103742
>shit shit shit
>>>/trash/

>>60103684
>>60103686
>>60103728
You laugh, but (((communists))) and (((SJWs))) have infiltrated and shill (((GNU))). This general used to just be /flt/ till (((they))) took over.

>>60103757

Scew you, WinUSB is Linux software you deranged mongoloid.

>>60103765
are you the guy who talked about shooting 'commies'?

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I've been thinking about learning some programming this summer.
Java? Haskell? SQL? Assembly? What do I do and where do I even begin?

>>60103797
>>>/g/dpt
also: C

>>60103796
No, that was a different anon.

>>60103827
thats a shame.

>>60103797
Python is easy for beginners
Read this: https://automatetheboringstuff.com/

>>60103515
can I have this in higher res?

>>60103881
no

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>>60103881
waifu2x

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>>60103765
/pol/acks actually believe this

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>>60103925
4x (not so good)

>>60103852
>Whitespace
>Easy for beginners
Pick one.
C# is the best language right now in my humble opinion. C++ if you're going into gaym development, unless you're using the Unity engine, in which case you should go back to C#.

>>60103925
fuck you

>>60103925
>>60103946
thank you

>>60103951
>C#
garbage
>C++
ugly trash

What's wrong with based C you fucking numale?

>>60103951
>microsoft programming language

Recommend me a distro to run it from purely a Ramdisk.

>>60103951
idk anon, my little brother can program in python and has no problems with whitespace, do you?

>>60103991
>Uses an inefficient and ridiculous language that can't reasonably handle memory that is 48 fucking years old
Who's the real autist here? Also, nice job being friendly.

>>60103991
> Not using HolyC

>>60104026
Puppy GNU/Linux

>>60104033
I come from a C++ background so I'm used to space not mattering as long as I declare things and end them. It should be my perogative to write ugly code.

>>60104048
Puppy Linux*

>>60104060
Hold on there, let me interject for a moment.

>>60104060
>>60104048

>>60104096
The distro is called "Puppy Linux."

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>>60104113
stop namefagging plebbitor

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>>60104113
that namefagging

>>60104132
>>60104127

>>60104123
I know.
It's just funny that sometimes people try to say "Arch GNU/Linux." Doesn't that just make your tongue feel rotten?

>>60104026
Base install of Alpine Linux is super small. (No, it's not a GNU system). If you want a more normal system Void is the next best choice.

>>60104123
>>60104148
Following the rules of English, in the construction “Foobar Linux” the word “Foobar” modifies “Linux”.

This basically means “Foobar's version of Linux”, but a Foobar GNU/Linux system includes more than just a modified kernel.

>>60104148
licking ur moms pussy makes my tongue feel rotten

R E K T
E
K
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>>60104155
Agreed.

>>60104155
Alpine may not be a GNU system, but it isnt "Linux" either.

>>60104168
Doesn't matter. You can name your distro whatever you like and that's the name. It could have been called Puppy Windows if they wanted it to.

What's the NetBSD of GNU/Linux?

>>60104188
Alpine uses the Linux kernel. Hence Alpine Linux.

>>60104188
>it isnt "Linux"
What did he mean by this?

>>60104199
The distro for autists that like to port stuff to literally-what platforms and is bearable usable?

install gentoo

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>>60104198
When they spread misinformation by changing “GNU” to “Linux”, and call their version of it “Foobar Linux”, it's proper for you to correct the misinformation by calling it “Foobar GNU/Linux”.

>>60104168
Yes, but it's a title / proper noun, not a regular noun, so this grammar does not apply.

>>60104226
There is no impetus to do that.

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When i try to run cmus i get the following error.

help a newbie

>>60104226

How can i make package from app i downloaded as .gz
For example, i downloaded PhpStorm and to run it i got to it's folder /bin/phpstorm.sh
What do i need to do to run it just by typing phpstorm in dmenu?

>>60104215
He meant that the Linux kernel simply cannot exist without being inside a GNU system.

Some Stallcucks actually believe this.

>>60104215
it means that alpine is a collection of software, that includes a kernel called linux, but thats it

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>>60104239
Okay, boys, it's time to stop.
We have a serious question now.

>>60104242
You need to have the executable in you path.
You can link it to /usr/bin for example.
Use:

export PATH=$PATH":/yourdirectory/"

to add some directory to your path.

You can put this command at the end of a file called .bashrc in your home directory.

>>60104247
In common vernacular, if you have the Linux kernel, you often put Linux in the title. Would you prefer we call it Busybox/Linux? Does that change anything?

>>60104239
Does the file exist?

file /etc/decnet.conf

>>60104244
That's not correct. Nobody asks you to call systems like Alpine "GNU/Linux". How they call it is something GNU doesn't care about, since it isn't the GNU system (however, a clone), but when combining the GNU system with Linux, it should be called GNU/Linux.

>>60104294
I'm sure you'd like to believe that, but not everyone on the GNU train is intelligent enough to make this distinction.

>>60104294
it would be more easy to omit the kernel name completly, it just confuses people

example: nobody is asking to call android "just linux" or "android/linux"

>>60104273
link to phpstorm folder, or to phpstorm/bin where is .sh file?

>>60104312
this problem is mostly exclusive to GNU/Linux because historically everyone got into the habit of naming the system after the kernel.

The name "GNU" simply didn't catch. Linux was catchier. So it memed itself into being the title, I'd say.

In a perfect world, we'd call the OS simply "GNU", but we're not in a perfect world and sometimes you just have to go with the flow and not be a nag.

"linux", because it's popular and the linux foundation needs the cash
"gnu/linux" because gnu wants to make people aware of the orgin of the system, which is software freedom

>>60104320
bin

People frequently have a bin directory within their home directory. They add only this to the path and link anything necessary there.
You can put a . at the beginning of said directory to hide it. ".bin"

It's also useful to have a directory within your home where you keep all user scripts/software.

>>60104361
Could you please stop namefagging? It triggers me extremly.

>>60104312
I wouldn't call it Android/Linux or Android Linux, for the sole reason that nobody else does. However, with computer enthusiast, specialist and/or server operating systems, including the kernel in the name is very useful, for example Alpine Linux, Debian/kFreeBSD, Solaris, GNU Hurd, and so on.

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>>60104388
Does anime trigger you too?

>>60104397
>Alpine Linux
Alpine/Linux*
Alpine Linux would be a kernel modification or a fork like GNU Linux-libre.

>>60104388
You don't know what the brain can do.

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>>60104411
Alpine Linux is the official title.

Changing a space into a slash changes absolutely nothing. Please stop meming.

>>60104411
Stop being autistic and trying to rename stuff. At some point you should just call it by what it was named.

>>60104411
BusyBox/Linux*

>>60104460
Alpine Linux is a BusyBox/Linux operating system, but it is still called Alpine Linux because it is a TITLE. Period.

>>60104428
>>60104461
kys retard

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what kernel config option causes this?

>>60104451
when I call a hambuger "alpine sauce", just because next to ham, salad, etc theres also "sauce" in it, I'm stupid and people are correct when they instead call it alpine burger

>>60104482
Do you have zram enabled?

>>60104501
It's just alpine, why meantion the sauce? Fuck this Linux shit.

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>>60104523

>>60104532
Where are the janitors when you need them?

>>60104501
You didn't invent hamburgers. You don't get to name it.

>>60104563
>Linus Torvalds.jpg
it's just Linus

>>60104563
>>60104566
I'm been more helpful than you, cis scum.
Just look at the thread.

>>60104514
cool i was able to find it. thanks
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM_COUNT=16

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Is it okay to use LightDM with LXDE instead of LXDM?

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>>60104590
>>60104532
>>60103553
>>60103635
>>60103765
>>60104143
>>60104171
>>60104402

>>60104619
Yes. But why would you do that?

>>60104585
If you care about helping people why are you shitting it up with your forced meme?

>>60104627
because when I tried to install LXDM it didn't work

>>60104630
First of all. It's not a dichotomy. I can have the name and still help people.
Second. It's indeed the superior form. gnlx is easier to write than Linux or GNU/Linux and it's also easier to say. g-nul-x

>>60104644
Do you want to try to use it? LDM will work just fine.

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Hello.

How are you doing today?

>>60104678
Pretty good. Just using linux.

>>60104695
Linux*

>>60104664
just use gnu

>>60104718
>>60104695

>>60104590
Shopped.
You can't be replied to by people in the past.
Try harder next time, anon

>>60104735
It will be much easier to push gnu after people start using gnlx.

>>60104737
Just stahp. This is not constructive.

>>60104744
*gimped

>>60104744
Yes you can. Before a GET, people will post
>>XXXXXXXX
to check if/what the GET is

should I install gnome ubuntu on my gnome debian machine?

>>60104902
For what purpose?

>>60104910
I want the lastest gnome, this 3.14 on debian is quite old

>>60104288
no
what should i do ?

>>60104940
Upgrade to Stretch instead. You do this by changing /etc/apt/sources.list to refer to stretch instead of jessie, then sudo apt update, then sudo apt full-upgrade.

>>60104987
I was wondering if I can manage being on Stretch but I guess it shouldn't be that difficult

thanks m8

Im on the latest version of raspian, is there any way to set python3.4 as the default when using the "python' command?

>>60104976
Is decnet installed?
Check

/etc/default/

to se if there is an example.

By then man page I suspect you will need something on the lines of:

executor  1.2      name  arch-box   line  lo
node      1.1      name  meme-player

>>60104976
Also if you need dec net to listen to music locally your autism is beyond help.

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Why do I have to enter my luks password before grub and again after picking a disk?

I installed openSUSE on my laptop and I only have to enter the luks password once, after grub. I installed openSUSE on my desktop, and I am prompted for a password before grub loads and after picking a disk in grub. What's going on? I used the default bootloader settings in both installations.

t. linux newbie, sorry for dumb.

>>60105086
Strange. The first password must be a grub password, not luks, that the installer added for autistic reasons.
Disabling or enabling it on the other machine is simple.

>>60104664
I'm okay with using LDM if it works but I should probably learn how to install LXDM for the future.
I think I only need to know the equivalent package to lightdm-gtk3-greeter for LXDM and I can figure it out from there.

>>60105057
i don't use arch
>meme player
And i thought people here are "freindly"

>>60105162
lxdm-greeter-gtk apparently

What error did you get?

>>60105171
Did it work or not?

>>60105159
Holy shit, you made a useful post.

>>60105286
I'm the most helpful person here.
I'm a gal btw.

Why do people hate on Linux Mint?

>>60105308
Didn't need to know that, but GJ.

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>>60105321
Non-free software is kind of Mint's purpose, since it's related to Ubuntu. It's basically Ubuntu minus the Ubuntu community. So, Ubuntu but pointless.

>>60105321
Half of the people hate it because it's popular. The other half because they were super hyped until it got """hacked""" or something like that. Lost of drama mostly.

I personally don't recommend it because it includes proprietary crapware. But I don't hate, in fact I think cinammon is pretty ok.

>>60105321
Because it has no security, it hijacks namespaces for important programs, it offers no benefits over Ubuntu or Debian, which it is a frankensteinian conglomerate of, and it is loaded out the ass with proprietary malware.

>>60105226
That doesn't exist in the repository.

>>60105406
I think it comes bundled with other package. Did you test to see if it's already installed?

Until a few minutes ago, I couldn't access the internet even though iwconfig and that wifi connection icon thing said I was connected. This isn't the first time that I've had this problem, so I'm wondering what would cause this to happen and how I can prevent it.

>>60105474
Could you ping the router?
Does this happen on cable?
Is the wireless card overheating?(this is super common)
Run dmesg and see if it says something about the wireless card.

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>>60105321
It's a poor version of Ubuntu with security removed and breakage added.

>>60105508
stop namefagging, retard
this isn't reddit

>>60105474
>iwconfig
deprecated use iw

>>60105451
I think it was already included with regular lxdm package. I just ignored it and proceeded as usual and got it to work. Thanks.

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how to get eth0 to work
lspci says it doesn't exist
already tried installing pic related because apparently the lan controller is an RTL8151GH-CG and made sure it was enabled in bios

>>60105758
t. helpful anon

I'm not using a name for people to tell who I'm. For that I would use a trip.
I'm using a name because it's easier than adding a sentence to every post to say gnlx is the superior form.

>>60105831
signatures and avatarfagging, read the rules

>>60105826
We need more details. Sometimes you need to manually copy a .bin firmware file to /lib/firmware

for some reason lspci causes an unrecoverable hard lock on my system. the terminal freezes as soon as i hit enter, with no output. I think the only way to fix it is to reboot with power button. control+alt+f2 does nothing. any ideas as to why it's fucked?

>>60105851
>We need more details.
what do you want me to provide
it's a shitty broadcom wlan card and apparently realtek lan. i got the wlan working but it's slow as shit so i want to use ethernet for now.

>>60105831
fuck off, forced memes always suck

>>60105845
First thing. You can use the sys recovery keys.

ctrl + print-screen + reisub

You have some defective hardware or buggy module.

Run:
lsmod
and the save the result to a file.
Boot into recovery mode.
Run lspci and see if it works.
Load one by one and test to see which is causing the problem by running lspci

>>60105883
How did you install the driver? Is there a .bin file in the module package? Was ir coppied to the directory I mentioned?
Post the result of lsmod.

>>60105926
t. upset autist

>>60105926
And it's not a meme. It's actually more efficient than Linux or GNU/Linux.

>>60105986
i installed it through synaptic because i am an retard.
lsmod is much too long for 2000 characters so here is a pastebin: https://pastebin.com/2FcQgvdz

>>60106008
and it sounds like a new product.
this isn't how language works, otherwise milhouse would still be a meme.

>>60106008
It's actually just Linux, no need for reddit tier memes.

>>60106059
Linux is just a kernel, retard.
Go back to /r/linux

>>60106072
>reddit user tells me to go to his favorite site
Really activates the almonds.

>An operating system (OS) is system software that manages computer hardware and software resources and provides common services for computer programs. All computer programs, excluding firmware, require an operating system to function.

Linux falls under this definition.

>>60105108
Where did the bald dude and the guy in NBC suit in the back seat come from?

>>60106022
Add

blacklist b43
blacklist bcma

to

/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist

reboot and see if it works.

>Linux falls under this definition.
t. computer science freshman

>>60106103
The ordinary understanding of "operating system" includes both the kernel—the specific subsystem that directly interfaces with the hardware — and the "userland" software that is employed by the user and by application software to control the computer.
If Linux is an operating system, show me how you boot it and post here.

>>60106103
>>60106128
last part was meant to (You) bb

>>60106128
>blacklist b43
But this will just stop my wlan from working at all.

>>60104273
OOOOOOOOOR, instead of putting every directory in your path you could just move the script to a directory that's already in your path?

Chances are ~/bin is already in his path so he just has to create a directory named bin in his home directory and put the file there.

>>60106130
>ordinary understanding
Doesn't make it correct. An operating system is defined as the interface between the hardware and the userland. Linux fits this definition. It's not complete without a userland to use of course, but that doesn't make the userland part of the OS.
>if you use my definition then you are wrong
wew
>>60106144
>projection
Not everyone is you.

>>60106164
>>60104361

>>60106151
You have a realtek card, not broadcom. It might be conflicting.
Anyways, if it doesn't work revert the change and reboot again..

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>>60106103
An operating system, as we use the term, means a collection of programs that are sufficient to use the computer to do a wide variety of jobs. A general purpose operating system, to be complete, ought to handle all the jobs that many users may want to do.

The kernel is one of the programs in an operating system—the program that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that are running. The kernel also takes care of starting and stopping other programs.

To confuse matters, some people use the term “operating system” to mean “kernel”. Both uses of the term go back many years. The use of “operating system” to mean “kernel” is found in a number of textbooks on system design, going back to the 80s. At the same time, in the 80s, the “Unix operating system” was understood to include all the system programs, and Berkeley's version of Unix included even games. Since we intended GNU to be a Unix-like operating system, we use the term “operating system” in the same way.

Most of the time when people speak of the “Linux operating system” they are using “operating system” in the same sense we use: they mean the whole collection of programs. If that's what you are referring to, please call it “GNU/Linux”. If you mean just the kernel, then “Linux” is the right name for it, but please say “kernel” also to avoid ambiguity about which body of software you mean.

If you prefer to use some other term such as “system distribution” for the entire collection of programs, instead of “operating system”, that's fine. Then you would talk about GNU/Linux system distributions.

>>60106211
>You have a realtek card, not broadcom.
I have a broadcom WLAN card. The only information I can get online regarding the LAN controller for my computer is that it is some realtek model.

>>60106008
Guys I found a more efficient way to say Windows: wns (Pronounced wins). I will nag every chance I get until people stop saying the inefficient Windows.

>>60106254
Just say malware.

>>60106212
>just use my definition instead of yours because we defined it that way instead of the way it was originally defined.
No, that's retarded. Linux falls under the definition of an OS. It's a kernel, and isn't very useful on it's own, but it's an OS.

The only reason the term GNU/Linux was invented is because Stallman was butthurt about the success of Linux, it's political nonsense. This type of shit only works to make free software less appealing to the people who need it most.

>>60106240
Hmm.. I see. Your problem really looks like module conflict.

Then try permuting this two modules and see if ti helps.

rtsx_pci_sdmmc
rtsx_pci_ms

Sorry, I'm out of ideas.

>>60106254
good for you buddy

>>60106211
regardless, blacklisted those two modules. WLAN still works but LAN does not. apparently blacklisting actually didn't do anything.

# lsmod | grep b43
b43                   409600  0
mac80211              671744  1 b43
cfg80211              589824  2 b43,mac80211
ssb                    69632  1 b43
rng_core               16384  1 b43
bcma                   53248  1 b43
mmc_core              147456  3 rtsx_pci_sdmmc,b43,ssb

>>60106313
kys already dumb shitposter

>>60106103
But Stalman suckas never admit it...

>>60106313
You are seriously retarded if you think Linux is a OS.

>>60106324
Yeah.. I heard the way to blacklist modules changed but was not sure.
Idk how it's done now.

I have to go to sleep, I can't help you anymore. Sorry.

>>60106313
Why should he butthurt? RMS is about freedom, not competition. Since GNU/Linux can be run completly free, it's fine.

>>60106356
(((GNU/LINUX))) pretty much divides people, a before happy Linux community.

>>60106344
Not an argument.
>>60106356
Because Linux stole his thunder. I don't really blame him for it, but I certainly am not going to fall for shitty divisive political nonsense like that.
You might have an argument for saying the BSD low level userland is a complete OS because for the most part it is inseparable from the kernel, but Linux is not like that. You can use Linux without GNU easily. Pretty soon you won't even need GCC to compile Linux.
>>60106352
Not an argument.

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>>60106397
When we ask people to say “GNU/Linux”, we are not dividing people. We are asking them to give the GNU Project credit for the GNU operating system. This does not criticize anyone or push anyone away.

However, there are people who do not like our saying this. Sometimes those people push us away in response. On occasion they are so rude that one wonders if they are intentionally trying to intimidate us into silence. It doesn't silence us, but it does tend to divide the community, so we hope you can convince them to stop.

However, this is only a secondary cause of division in our community. The largest division in the community is between people who appreciate free software as a social and ethical issue and consider proprietary software a social problem (supporters of the free software movement), and those who cite only practical benefits and present free software only as an efficient development model (the open source movement).

This disagreement is not just a matter of names—it is a matter of differing basic values. It is essential for the community to see and think about this disagreement. The names “free software” and “open source” are the banners of the two positions. See Why Open Source misses the point of Free Software.

The disagreement over values partially aligns with the amount of attention people pay to the GNU Project's role in our community. People who value freedom are more likely to call the system “GNU/Linux”, and people who learn that the system is “GNU/Linux” are more likely to pay attention to our philosophical arguments for freedom and community (which is why the choice of name for the system makes a real difference for society). However, the disagreement would probably exist even if everyone knew the system's real origin and its proper name, because the issue is a real one. It can only go away if we who value freedom either persuade everyone (which won't be easy) or are defeated entirely (let's hope not).

>>60106420
>You can use Linux without GNU easily
noone asks you to call that gnu/linux, funny enough, because it's obviously not linux combined with the gnu system

wew

>>60106435
no u: The Post
>>60106457
If that's your argument then we might as well start saying X.org/systemd/GNU/Linux. The developers of those things do not care if we attribute them or not, because they aren't autistic.

>>60106420
>Pretty soon you won't even need GCC to compile Linux.
You say that like it's a good thing. Just look how BSD eats the spearm leftover out of Apples clang pipeline.

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>>60106503
What we say is that you ought to give the system's principal developer a share of the credit. The principal developer is the GNU Project, and the system is basically GNU.

If you feel even more strongly about giving credit where it is due, you might feel that some secondary contributors also deserve credit in the system's name. If so, far be it from us to argue against it. If you feel that X11 deserves credit in the system's name, and you want to call the system GNU/X11/Linux, please do. If you feel that Perl simply cries out for mention, and you want to write GNU/Linux/Perl, go ahead.

Since a long name such as GNU/X11/Apache/Linux/TeX/Perl/Python/FreeCiv becomes absurd, at some point you will have to set a threshold and omit the names of the many other secondary contributions. There is no one obvious right place to set the threshold, so wherever you set it, we won't argue against it.

Different threshold levels would lead to different choices of name for the system. But one name that cannot result from concerns of fairness and giving credit, not for any possible threshold level, is “Linux”. It can't be fair to give all the credit to one secondary contribution (Linux) while omitting the principal contribution (GNU).

>>60106507
Clang is objectively better designed than GCC.
It's going to overtake GCC soon enough.
GCC is what happens when you let politics dictate your technical decisions.

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>>60106531
>Value your freedom or you will lose it, teaches history. 'Don't bother us with politics', respond those who don't want to learn.
>-- Richard M. Stallman

>>60106528
>at some point you will have to set a threshold and omit the names of the many other secondary contributions.
I just did, I'm calling it Linux.

GNU is NOT the principal contribution to the average Linux system in lines of code or code execution.

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>>60103742

Back... I made one through cli since it was the only way, successfully created but does not boot.

Any other way I can create a WinShit 10 USB installer through a distro or a Hiren's USB disc?

>>60106553
Platitudes are not an argument.

I'll value my freedom by choosing to use the FREE AND OPEN SOURCE Clang compiler infrastructure that is much better than GCC.

>>60106568
The GNU system was a thing 10 years before Torvalds even thought about writing a kernel for the system. Things have names. Use them.
Just because Torvalds figured that he could make money and spread his political views by referring to everything as "Linux" doesn't mean that Linux is anything more than just a kernel.

>>60106615
So? That doesn't mean it's the principal contribution to the average Linux system. It may have been in the past, but that's not the case anymore.

>Torvalds
>political views
What? I've never heard him shill anything but practicality. Using Linux is practical, and not political in any way.

>>60106568
GNU is actually larger than Linux.

>>60106652
>Linux system
there's no such thing anon
there's a think called Linux, which is a kernel, that's the only thing that is called Linux

>>60106652
>I've never heard him shill anything but practicality
that's his political view on tech: don't care about politics or software freedom; value practical benefits

>>60106655
No, because lines of code is not a valid measurement for contribution. Most of the time, on an average Linux system, the CPU is executing code that is not from GNU.
>>60106702
I don't really see that as political, but I can see where you are coming from.

>>60106745
GNU/Linux*

>>60106568
>GNU is NOT the principal contribution to the average Linux system in lines of code
>>60106745
>lines of code is not a valid measurement
ok

redpill me on systemd

>>60106420
I'm glad you won't need GCC to compile linux, I should be allowed to use any compiler I want to.

>>60106789
Time spent on execution is more important in lines of code. Someone said GNU has more lines of code than Linux, although I haven't seen any proof of that.

>>60106823
who forbids it?

>>60106834
It's a literal requirement because linus uses special optimizations only available with gcc

>>60106833
than*

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>>60106815

>>60106833
>>60106848
>Time spent on execution is more important in lines of code.
This is a very good point. Does the FSF have a response to this?

>>60106939
compare gnu cat and bsd cat
bsd cat: less lines of code, but slower
gnu cat: more lines of code, but faster

people love to say gnu is bloated, but at the end you have a more efficient program when you add some lines for optimizion than following simplicity

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What are some cool terminal commands?

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>>60106608

I'll wait some more....

>>60106991
You seem to be missing the point. What does your average system being used for desktop more often, run code from Xorg or from GNU utilities like cat, bash, gcc, ls, whatever? Hint: most people use a DE.

>>60107029

curl -s http://artscene.textfiles.com/vt100/dirty.vt | pv -qL500

More here: http://artscene.textfiles.com/vt100/

>>60107066
>What is GNOME

How do I delete a line when using the visudo command? I added a blank one in the wrong place by mistake and I want to remove it.

>>60107066
Not an argument. There are other very popular DEs.

>>60107108
dd

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>9965 GNU is a C-type main belt asteroid. It orbits the Sun once every 3.76 years.

>>60105321
Downstream of a downstream that essentially doesn't fit any different niche compared to the mother distribution.

>>60107067
neat

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>gentoo server
>upgrade programs
>gentoo devs giving last rites for flexget
>ignore notice
>should be fine
>5 days later notice server isn't updating shit
>flexget is broken
Fucking Shit Fuck!

I'm trying to do some bash scripting for a school thing.

the user puts in a short equation like "3 + 1" alongside the ./[program] thing in the terminal, and it should spit out "3 plus 1 equals 4."

whenever I run it, however, it gives me an error about using a + operator in the function for addition and then spits out "2 plus [blank] equals [blank]"

before I start posting my code...is there a term for what i'm trying to do here? I've tried googling shit for bash tutorials but nothing is coming up that helps.

>>60108023
post code

Why aren't you playing GNU LiquidWar right know?
https://www.gnu.org/software/liquidwar6/

>>60108390
Because it looks ghey

>>60103515
What are some cool commercial proprietary applications for Linux?

>>60104040
Then use Lua

>>60109134
sublime text

>>60109134
Clion

>>60109134
GNU/Linux*

>>60109201
*BSD/Linux

>>60109206
BSD has its own kernel, retard.

>>60109208
I'm using Linux kernel with BSD utilities, retard

>>60109218
No, you don't. Fuck off.

>>60109201
Honestly, GNU sucks. It's bloated as fuck.

Examples: musl, clang, suckless.

>>60109249
This. GNU is like Windows of free software.

>>60109249
gnu coreutils aren't boated. They're full of features and documentation that you probably benefit from in desktop. BSD, busy box and toybox are all much less full featured. If you have the storage, there's no reason not to use GNU.
Also, I'm not really a fan of GCC because c++ was a painful mistake, but clang is worse.

>>60107697
>3 hours just to bodge flexget
>wont be maintained starting next week

Is optirun performance exactly the same as performance when using prime-select?

>oop is bad
shows that you don't work in the business

>>60109369
oop can be done well, and it can be poorly tacked on. C++ is oop poorly tacked on to C. The entire language is inconsistently designed with the single ideal "here's a bunch of cool stuff c doesn't have, let's carelessly add it to C!"
I don't hate using programs with it because the end result is as good as c, but it's much worse to develop for.

Why does Ubuntu look fine on my 15.6" 1080p laptop at default scaling whereas Windows 10 looks like shit and needs 125% scaling to look good? Is GNU/Linux just much better at making things look decent with less pixels?

>>60109414
I do oop in laravel and angular :o)

>>60109422
poop*

>>60109416
>using windows 10

>>60109416
If both systems are being rendered in 1080p, they are both using exactly the same number of pixels. The difference is how sharp and well designed can you make your UI elements?

I have /home on a separate partition. What are the benefits? Shit ton of packages install something on /usr/ anyways so if I update or change distribution my whole system will be a huge clusterfuck. No?

>>60109635
- easier to share /home with multiple OS installations
- can use different filesystem on either
- can place root near the beginning of the disk for a performance advantage (not relevant on SSD's)

>>60109635
partitions are stupid and I don't respect them

>>60103515
I have a minimal arch install without a de, so how would I go with using the linux equivalent of ime for the Japanese language?

Debian Sid and Jessie have widgetfactory but Stretch doesn't. What the fuck, Debian?

Best distro for grandpa? I was thinking about Ubuntu MATE 16.04. Bear in mind he needs Skype.

Why does mutt need offlineimap to read emails offline? Can't I download the emails with the built in imap support and then just fire up mutt later to read them? Doesn't the included imap support download emails automatically? If no, why does one need to specify directories then or do they just get stored in RAM?

>>60110113
Often they will remove packages with critical bugs before release. IDK what widgetfactory is but I suspect this may have happened with that package, and they must be working on it in sid. If it's something you need it may become available in backports.

>>60110135
Fine choice.

What package manager/distribution is the best in terms of available software and keeping said software neatly, automatically, up to date?

Ubuntu PPA:s are rarely managed by the software developers and tend to get abandoned, plus the obvious security issues.

Debian has great repositories but software downloaded via .debs has to be manually updated by downloading the .deb again and installing it.

Arch has a shit ton of software available and the software is easy to keep up to date but the software tends to break. I don't need to get the updates as soon as they become available, I prefer stability.

Most third party repositories for Fedora seemed to include multiple repositories, depending on the Fedora version. How do these repositories act if you upgrade your system?

How does Gentoo work? How does self-compiled software and updates work?

How can i encrypt a usb stick on a very minimal debian installation? It has gpg, but i couldn't find a way to do FDE with it

>>60110590
I think you can add third-party repositories to gentoo
if not you can write a script I guess

Why the h*ck there's no decent GUI tool to config touchpads?

cant believe you faggots recommend KDE. Kill yourself if you do this.

What WM is the closest to windows 8? I really liked the tilling of 8

>>60111368
I don't, I recommend i3.

>>60111368
Paging Dr. KDE Shill

What non-free software would exist in a standard Ubuntu (17.04) installation?

>>60111524
the kernel

After watching a video in streaming and having a few of pop up spamming my screen and closing right away (thx ublock), sometimes it fucks up xfce desktop bar, and I'm unable to click on it.

Anyway to restart xfce the same way you can restart cinnamon with alt+F2 and type r ?
Or just a way to not have this annoying bug ?

>>60111524
Firefox

>>60111530
>>60111595
What about closed source code? Abby of that present in Ubuntu?

>>60111617
Hello there! You seem to have used the term "closed source".
The term "closed source" is misleading and besides the point. It is supposed to be the opposite of "open source", a term created by a group of people that did not want to be associated with the free software movement. When I say "free" software (which is one of the alternatives preferable to "open source"). It's not about price; in that case I would say "gratis", or "free as in free beer". It's about "freedom"! This is what the free software movement is fighting for.
So what is "free" software? Free software is any software that guarantees the user the four essential software freedoms:
> 0. Run the program as you wish.
> 1. Study the source code and change it so it does what you wish.
> 2. Redistribute exact copies of the program.
> 3. Distribute your modified version of the program.
Some people decided that they wanted to restrict the user; but being able to study and modify the "open source" code is not enough! This is directly hurting the cause of the free software movement because it takes away the sociological "freedom" aspect of free software and turns it into a technological one.
Therefore, referring to "closed source" software completely misses the sociological "freedom" aspect of proprietary software. "Closed source" does not simply prevent you from seeing the source code, it takes away your freedoms and acts as a means of oppressing the user!
So for those reasons I ask that in the future you use the terms "nonfree" or "proprietary" software; or simply "spyware" or "malware".

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>>60111524
Binary blobs in the kernel (proprietary but freely distributable firmware files that must be loaded into devices). Other than that, probably nothing. The Amazon store thing might be proprietary.

>>60111368
I don't understand the KDE circlejerk. It's heavy, ugly and unpractical.

Hell, I'd rather use GNOME.

>>60111888
KDE isn't unpractical, and it's more lightweight than gnome (that's not saying much.) It is kind of ugly though.

Does Quod Libet support gapless playback correctly yet?

>>60112548
Oh https://quodlibet.readthedocs.io/en/latest/guide/playback/backends.html looks like it does... except for the most ubiquitous codec.
Is there a good Gahnoo+Linux player that *does* support mp3 gapless?

Trying to set up an old Mac Mini as a server to wake on lan. Put "ethtool -s eth0 wol g" into rc.local so it stays persistent on boot.

I can wake it up from standby, but not from hibernate. Also not from power off, but I'm not sure if that's even a feature of WOL.

Do I need to manually exectue rc.local every time i wake from sleep?

>>60113168
>Do I need to manually exectue rc.local every time i wake from sleep?
i mean hibernate

Can I alternate between Nvidia and Nouveau on Debian? I'd rather use the Nouveau drivers but I play games every once in a while and Nouveau doesn't run them.

Finally installed gentoo, and I have to say I really enjoyed being able to compile programs like Chromium specific to my hardware. It doesn't feel bloaty or slow anymore, it's lightning fast.

However, I don't really want to use gentoo as my daily driver, due to the amount of maintenance it requires. So I was wondering, is there a way to compile programs specific to my hardware with USE flags and CFLAGS in other distros, for example Arch?

>>60113782
>is there a way to compile programs specific to my hardware with USE flags

You can compile from source, using (and altering, or writing your own from scratch for software not inAUR) pkgbuilds from AUR. Not with USE flags though, you'd have to check what configuration options and methods each source package provides. Usually it's the "configure" script which you can pass options to, to enable/disable specific features, unlike USE flags the switches to enable/disable similar dependencies aren't guaranteed to have same names between two different packages (it could alternate b/w --disable-thing or --without-thing for example), so you'll have to parse through "configure --help" or other build documentation. OTOH you have the highest granularity of feature control possible, higher than in gentoo even because there isn't always a USE flag for every possible configure option.
Bottom line: learn pkgbuild syntax and use per-program/per-library configure script options.

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what command do I use to upload a directory to an ftp server?

>>60113946
ftp

>>60113967
im looking for something like scp ...... etc.

>>60113946
>>60113996
you use ftp for an ftp server good sir. scp uses ssh

>>60113782
>It doesn't feel bloaty or slow anymore, it's lightning fast.
You know there is less then 1% difference between the binary and compiled, correct

>>60114110
then I have no idea what's accounting for the huge performance difference.

>>60113946
https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/how-to-use-ftp-on-the-linux-shell/

put /path/to/file

(but i dont use ftp via cli, i use filezilla)

Is there a way to isolate openbox windows to 1 monitor?

>>60114108
yeah I know, I am looking on how to use the ftp command similar to scp, i have no idea how to use ftp/

How can I confine programs under wine on Debian Jessie ? I would like to use AppArmor or is SELinux is better ?

>>60114263
you should just download filezilla, it's a graphical interface over FTP. it's what I use for stuff

What is a good ultra-lightweight DE? It needs to leave RAM plentiful when in a 256 MB system.

>>60114342
LXDE or try to learn to use a WM.

>>60114378
this, LXDE. Or openbox if you like configuring and ricing. also, twm's like i3 or awesome if you're into that kind of thing.

>>60114378
This includes wms, i3 it is then for me.>>60114399

>>60114325
i need to upload from a vps, no gui

>>60114426
https://wiki.debian.org/vsftpd

>>60114298
firejail

what's your favorite kernel and patches?

what is your favorite init system?

>>60114511
grsec,ck

>>60114567
/bin/sh

>>60114583
isnt grsec dead?

>>60103515
what do I read to understand how computers work?

>>60114567
runit

>>60114600
Code: The Hidden Language of Computer Hardware and Software

>>60114600
my post: everything a computer knows is when something is ON and when something is OFF

welcome to computer science

>>60114598
no?

>>60114671
are you really a paying customer? How much does it cost? Post approx number pls or grsec will ban you from site since the actual price is probably unqiuely identifies you as a specific client

>>60114491
Thanks, it's much easier to use. I'll use this for now.

quick, make a new thread before the commie does

>>60114898
No

>>60114898
There you go: >>60114976

>>60114975
yes

>>60114898
whats wrong with communism?

>>60114594
If one actually did this, would you need to mount filesystems and start services manually? How hard would it be?

>>60103515
need some context on this
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/GNU%2BLinux

What's the best way to make xfce look like either win95 or XP? I want to be le antique hipster guy