/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

1st 4 Gentoo

Second for Windows 10

>>59755977
Richard Stallman is a communist

Guys what is your favorite feature of your ditro/DE?

I use KDE, i rly love clipper.

>>59756053
No. Don't use words you don't understand.

>>59756053
go outa /g/

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>>59756053
“Free software” does not mean “noncommercial”. A free program must be available for commercial use, commercial development, and commercial distribution. Commercial development of free software is no longer unusual; such free commercial software is very important. You may have paid money to get copies of free software, or you may have obtained copies at no charge. But regardless of how you got your copies, you always have the freedom to copy and change the software, even to sell copies.

>>59755977
OP why u did not include duckduckgo.com at >engine that respects your privacy
list?

can we have another 100+ post debate about systemd and the correct use of linux and gnu/linux?

>>59756223
nah, let's discuss systemd

>>59756201
because it doesn't respect your privacy

simple

>>59756223
bump.
systemD vs openRC ?

>>59756223
*Linux

Got bored with Gentoo. Thinking about either moving to OpenSUSE Tumbleweed or Solus. Which one should I choose?

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Lads, there's a new version of nano: 2.8.0. Don't forget to run

sudo pacman -Syu

>>59756230
wut?
from https://duckduckgo.com/privacy

>We don't collect or share personal information.

>>59756249
GNU/Linux*

>>59756249
cat thread | sed 's/ Linux/GNU\/Linux/g'

>>59756229

do you have a minute to talk about our lord and saviour, lennart poettering?

>>59756239

sysvinit

>>59756249

gahnoo/loonix, fight me


that should do it

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>>59756262

>>59756286#

sed 's,Linux,GNU/Linux,g' <<< "$thread"

>>59756349

for(Reply r : Thread(59755977).replies){
    if(r.text.equals("*Linux"))
        Thread(59755977).newReply("GNU/Linux*");
    else if(r.text.equals("GNU/Linux*"))
        Thread(59755977).newReply("*Linux");
}

>>59756304
don't you think thats a bit too extreem tinfoil hattery?

>>59756304
thx.
u have sauce? want learn moar...
it was default SE on TOR, i was thinking its legit

>>59756395
curl >>59755977 | awk '{ gsub("Linux", "GNU/Linux") }; 1'

What do you use for reverse image searching? I'm pretty fine with searx for regular searching but, secretly come back to google for reverse searching pr0n.

>>59756444
Won't that also replace the Linux inside GNU/Linux?

>>59756444

echo 'test Linux test GNU/Linux test' | awk '{ gsub("Linux", "GNU/Linux") }; 1'
test GNU/Linux test GNU/GNU/Linux test

fix is faggot

>>59756478
https://tineye.com/ just not google...
>>59756481
this.
IMO string should contain " " before linux as in mine >>59756286
>cat thread | sed 's/ Linux/GNU\/Linux/g'

>>59756525

$ echo 'test Linux test GNU/Linux test' | awk '{ gsub(" Linux", " GNU/Linux") }; 1'
test GNU/Linux test GNU/Linux test

>>59756539
cat thread | perl -pe 's/ Linux/ GNU\/Linux/'

greasemonkey script when?

>>59756581
Here's some quick JS code

kinda breaks 4chin tho, but it does work

var els = document.getElementsByTagName("*");
for(var i = 0, l = els.length; i < l; i++) {
  var el = els[i];
  el.innerHTML = el.innerHTML.replace(/ Linux/gi, ' GNU/Linux');
  el.innerHTML = el.innerHTML.replace(/ GNU\/Linux/gi, ' Linux');
}

I'm having Xubuntu problems with screen tearing on NVIDIA GPU. There is no 20-nvidia.conf file in usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d, and Xorg server settings say "Currently synced to display: Unknown" with no option for VSync. I don't wanna use iGPU because it's slow. What do?

How do I enable autocomplete for man pages in Debian?

>>59756728
C O M P T O N

>>59756745
Forgot to mention, already on Compton with the default compositor disabled.

>>59756565
>not using bash

echo "${thread// Linux/ GNU/Linux}"

Is it better to let BTRFS create a raid with multiple drives or can I create a raid5 using mdadm or lvm and then just create a btrfs filesystem on top of that?

>>59756656
>breaks 4chin tho
why? ('non java 'fag here)

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We can all agree that hating systemd is a meme.

Most people hear it's bad and so they propagate the idea, and blow it out of proportion without much research, consideration or thought.
When systemd first appeared, it was quickly adopted because not many people had qualms about it.
Those who did (and those were few) had their own reasons and thoughts (they didn't get meme'd into hating it) and moved onto other init systems.
Most of them were reasonable enough not to start a fucking civil war because of them, because even they knew that systemd is a natural step forward in general.

If systemd was as hated as it is now, it would never have been so widely adopted.

>So, how did this meme really come about?
Well, I'll tell you.

systemd is the most advanced init system in existence.
It's better than Apple's launchd and better than whatever Microsoft has.
It's arguably one of the best things that happened to GNU since Linux.
The jews know this, so they spawned a fake controversy around it in order to divide the community, sabotage the project and keep GNU/Linux from advancing as an operating system and gaining more market share.
Just think about it:
>Linux - the most advanced kernel in existence
>systemd - the most advanced init and service manager in existence
>free as in both freedom and beer
And now with Steam OS, Chrome OS and both Wayland and Vulkan maturing, it's only a matter of time before GNU/Linux becomes truly mainstream and takes over the gaming market.
But they were a bit late to notice this before the wide adoption of systemd.

That's how, even though it seemed like a natural step forward in the evolution of GNU/Linux back then, systemd is the most controversial topic in the FOSS world right now.

>tl;dr
Hating systemd is an artificial meme brought about via CIA's advanced meme warfare techniques in order to prevent the year of the GNU/Linux desktop.
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a507172.pdf

non google/usoft/apple/'other jews' mobile phone system?

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>>59757217

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>systemd hate is a conspiracy
>systemd itself is a conspiracy

which one to believe?

>>59757217
could you give me a quick roundup about what's exactly bad with systemd?

>>59757305
The worst thing about systemd is the systemd controversy itself.

>>59757325
This.

>>59757217
this, it's basic microsoft tactics
divide and conquer

so is there any ready to use distro that doesnt have the systemd

systemd wordfilter when?
with what word would you replace it?

>>59757421
go do your own research and make up your own goddamn thoughts about systemd you dumb faggot fuck
you are the prime example of everythong wrong with the systemd controversy

>>59757468
i thought this is a friendly thread

>>59757453
systemd -> The D or alternatively Descartes.

>>59757482
not to moronic subhuman cattle

how is it bad that everything depends on systemd
everything depends on linux too

>>59757217
my thoughts exactly at this point

Can we please make a systemd general?

>>59757620
systemd is on thread topic and it's useful to discuss it

>>59757256
There's a `tl;dr` for the literary challenged.

So I am using i3 but I am trying to take a screenshot of my desktop. What happens is no matter what I use I it only captures one of the windows and none of the terminals. In fact if I have a web browser on half of one screen the other half will fill up with the browser and none of the terminals will show up. What is even weirder is that it takes a picture things that have long since been closed.

How to i take a picture of my current window set up with i3 on arch? I tried scrot and all sorts of other tools but the same thing still happens.

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>>59756201
>>59756262

>>59756239
Neither, use Runit.

>>59756223
of course :^)

>>59757655
That graphic is bad. It's bad because lumped together good and bad arguments such as searching for your ip will ofc show your ip.

>>59757676
Go to other search engines and type in "What is my ip",they dont reverse check back.

>>59757690
When you go to a website, the site knows your IP. Do you even know how the internet works. Why should any search engine hide what it already knows because it's techincally impossible not to know it?

>>59756886
Dont use btrfs for raid, it will delete your array out of the blue, they still have yet to fixed teh actual issues caused by it.You dont need to use anything but ext4.

Also
>software raid
Get a raid card

>>59757709
But the site has no way of tracking what that ip leads too, if you are using a proper search engine

Is there any way to use Windows 7 pointers on Mint? They are beautiful

>>59757709
whaha this. why the fuck someone have to write it on /g/.

btw probably i'll swich from DDG. sad shit. i like bang syntax

>>59757729
Why shouldn't it? Once you have the IP, you use any geolocation database and you have the location. Again, nothing that would be possible not to know.

>>59757217
Fuck off Goldberg.

>It's popular so it's good
Really makes me think
>Most advanced init system
Why doesn't it just fucking work?
>No you're the Jew
Typical tricks Schlomo
>>59757304
You can identify a Jew by the way he argues.
>>59757325
>>59757339
Samefag
>>59757385
Found the Red Hat shill.

>>59757762
Sigh.
Because you're using a privacy oriented search engine, that dosent care nor log what is happening

>>59757775
receiving information != logging

>>59757802
Fucking look up how basic TCP/IP works and follow the OSI model for a moment and come back

>>59757817
how tha fak u want to send anything without using IP? even witch tor target server must reciave IP (exit node's IP)

>>59757849
s/witch/with

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How are you guys feeling about vim's new "stories" feature?

>>59757868
We've had multiplayer notepad for decades, it's called IRC

>>59757817

you: hello duckduckgo, please send stuff to this ip

ddg: hello you, you want that I send stuff to this ip?

you: yes, do it faggot
[connection is up]

>>59757895
kekq

>>59757817
how it works in yo opinion?

Anyone here have an xps 15? How well does it work with GNU/Linux?

Could I theoretically make my init /bin/bash, start all my processes myself and startx?

>>59758147
Yes you could.

>>59758089
try here
https://h-node.org/

Is anyone gonna help me with Xubuntu and screen tearing? On Compton with default compositor disabled. 20-nvidia.conf doesn't exist. Don't wanna use intel iGPU. Xorg server settings says "Currently synced to display: Unknown" with no option for VSync. The screen tearing is unbearable!

>>59756254
I just switched to Fedora and already found a bug. Pacman doesnt work at all

>>59757767
Name one concrete argument that supports your anti-systemd theory.
What did systemd that's so bad that warrants all the hate?
Find me the piece of it's code that proves it's NSA malware or a backdoor.

I *can* however give you concrete evidence that supports my theory.
The fact that anti systemd propaganda is so loud it divides the community and makes us fight each other.
Seems like a jewish plan to me.
systemd is definetely flawed and the way systemd devs do things is too.
Those flaws make for a great attack surface on our community, a real vulnerability.
And it seems to be exploited perfectly by someone.

>>59758147
Try to experiment with busybox and qemu. It's easier than it seems

>>59758198
those xorg config files often don't exist by default, you must create them

>>59758242
And what do I write in the 20-nvidia.conf file?

>>59758267
i don't know, i assumed you had found a vsync tweak that required editing that file. what made you mention 20-nvidia.conf?

>>59758238
We can't actually know if it has a backdoor/security flaw, but the point is, it hands yet another critical part of your system to Red Hat (yeah I know they wrote half the kernel anyway but I trust Linus' judgement more than poettering), as well as being a large single point of failure. I don't hate it that much, but when similarly powerful non bloatsx alternatives (openrc or runit if you want something more minimalist) exist, there's no reason to use systemd.

>>59758294
I copied xorg.conf and renamed it to 20-nvidia.conf and always blackscreened. Was able to cd and delete it.

>>59756053
Reminder that this is what windows shills use to get people to use linux. Anyone got that long pasta rebutting anti-stallman arguments from /tech/?

>>59758238
systemd came from out of nowhere, and solves """problems""" no one asked solutions for.
systemd breaks all the time, and when they have security vulnerabilities, it's the stupidest most incompetent shit ever (see crashing systemd with one tweet).
I cannot prove that it's a backdoor, because the codebase is fucking huge and keeps growing and growing.
Init should not be complicated, and it doesn't need to be, see Runit.
systemd literally merged udev to spite other distros for not using it, with Poettering literally saying "Time to wake up Gentoo people"
Really makes you think, huh.
Some of it's tools would be great if they could be used without systemd, like logind and journald, but the systemd devs intentionally make it so you can't without massive patching.
>anecdotal evidence
>an argument
"no"
>systemd is definately flawed and the say systemd devs do things is too.
What are you even shilling here shill?

Get out shill.

>>59758314
There's also no reason to fight people who do use it and support it.
Use something else and share your opinions on why you and some other people wouldn't want to use systemd, but don't spread hate that goes as far as sending Lennart death threats and maybe even further.
It helps no one but Microsoft.

>>59758416
I never sent Lennart any death threats, and I only mention it here in the context of a discussion about systemd anyway. I don't mind it that much, I use systemd distros on a few of my servers, but void and Gentoo on my main PCs.

>>59758416
Nice fucking strawman shill
I've never done anything but speak my mind about systemd. I haven't sent death threats.
>It helps no one but Microsoft
systemd is literally the Linux version of svchost.exe
Really makes you think.

>>59758471
but you'd have to agree, it doesn't warrant a fucking civil war
and people do send death threats because this systemd hate meme gets spread, blown out of proportion, complemented with conspiracy theories and implanted into their head
>systemd is literally the Linux version of svchost.exe
can you elaborate this?

>>59758404
>systemd breaks all the time
I personally never had a problem with it and I used Arch for almost as long as systemd's been around
then again, systemd is pretty new and of course there'll be issues
I already said that it's not perfect and it did get adopted way too fast (maybe just barely fast enough)
>>anecdotal evidence
Is the community not divided over systemd?
Is that not exactly what Microsoft would want?

>>59758545
systemd is the kernel; the whole os is basically linux with systemd added

>>59758566
systemd is the kernel; the whole os is basically systemd with linux added*

>>59758490
My only problem with it is when I installed Debian Jessie for the first time. It kept getting stuck, with the only message being about clean blocks, and no other useful messages. Made it more verbose from Grub, but each time it stopped at a slightly different place with unrelated warning messages. Not sure how I figured it out, but the only way it would boot was with my gtx 970 disabled in bios. It was probably a nouveau problem, but systemd definitely didn't help me figure that out.

>>59758593
>>59758566
This meme was never good.

>>59758490
>never had a problem with it
Well I have had many problems with systemd breaking, back when I used Arch I jury rigged Runit on it and it was 200% more stable than systemd ever was.
>arch
Meme distro, don't stay there forever.

The real problem with systemd is the simple fact that it's principal goal is to eliminate freedom of choice from Linux, and if you cannot see why THAT benefits microsoft more so than some system admins and autists speaking out against systemd than you are either retarded or a shill.
>>59758545
No it doesn't but god damn the systemd people really want one.
That's their goal as stated above, total domination of the Linux marketplace.
>death threats
False flag from Lennart.
He got called out by some kernel devs for it too.
>can you elaborate on this
They are both inefficient, bloated and ultimately shitty solutions to problems that don't exist.

>>59758603
>freedom of choice from Linux
dude

>>59758596
why do posts here keep getting deleted?

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>>59758603

>>59758603
>The real problem with systemd is the simple fact that it's principal goal is to eliminate freedom of choice from Linux
that's the only real argument against it for now imo, judging by the way things are headed

>>59758638
I made an error, so I deleted it.
I posted it again here >>59758564

>>59758642
It's not an argument. Nobody forces you to use systemd.

>>59758655
Linux itself is eliminating freedom of choice for linux
how many years has xorg been the only display server?
and if you're an advanced user that's even knows why he doesn't like systemd, you're probably advanced enough to move to some other init
see >>59758655

>>59758655
Gnome does. Kde will soon. Many of the biggest distros exclusively support systemd. Poettering himself said udev on non systemd is becoming a dead end. It's becoming harder for the Gentoo people to split apart udev and systemd.

>write program
>people like it, adopt it in their distro
>more people like it, more people adopt it
>tinfoil hatters cry alarm
>"SOMETHING WANT TO TAKE OVER"
>"ITS THE JEWS"

>>59758692
autists that care about their init system probably don't use GNOME or KDE
also, funtoo has forked GNOME and made it work without systemd

>>59758694
hi lennart

>>59758690
It's becoming increasingly difficult and it's going to keep going in that direction see >>59758692
It's literally their goal to make it so you HAVE to use systemd
I wouldn't care about systemd if that wasn't the case, but it is.

>>59758690
I don't like Xorg either.
Wayland is usable. It's not necessarily better in all areas but it is a choice.
Display server is a complex project and it's much harder to make alternatives to something so entrenched in tradition and backwards compatibility, unlike init which is much more flexible.
>implying I am not using another init
Can you stop with this meme? I don't use systemd. Most of the people who don't like systemd don't use it on their personal machines.
>>59758694
t. Goldberg Shekelstien

So why don't we blame people who create dependencies on systemd instead of systemd? Isn't it their fault?

>>59758735
>hi lennart
>>59758768
>t. Goldberg Shekelstien
epic argumentation right here

>>59758769
It's just like blaming rich people for using tax loopholes. You should be going after lawmakers instead.
Likewise, people hooking into systemd are not the real problem, just a symptom. systemd is the real problem.

>>59758769
The systemd people do that. See udev, a critical system component they assimilated.

>>59758769
absolutely

>>59758780
A meme post deserves a meme reply

>>59758783
So when I write a bash script and people like it so much that many many programs start depending on it, I am the bad guy?

>>59758790
udev was forked by gentoo

>>59758713
Yes it forked GNOME but it's also versions behind not to mention that GNOME Wayland does only work with systemd.
The reason why systemd is bad is that it's incredibly huge potential more vulns than a simple init will have.
It's trying to replace everything thus removing freedom of choice.

>>59758797
If you are actively trying making it impossible for people to use other things then yeah.

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what is this

>>59758816
>impossible for people to use other things
when will you faggets stop this "they force systemd on me" meme? don't like systemd? don't use it!

>>59758806
peole who use GNOME don't care about what init they use

>>59758829
literally botnet

>>59758834
Fuck off I don't use it.
They are still attempting to make it so that I cannot use any other init but systemd. Pretty soon we are gonna have to switch to busybox mdev.

>>59758806
are i3, urxvt, compton, feh, mpv, firefox, wpa_supplicant, ifconfig, dhcient going to depend on systemd?
what this anon said >>59758840
people who care about their init don't use software that would ever depend on systemd
if such a thing happens, it's immediately forked like udev

>>59758858
which program that you use do you think might get sucked into systemd?

>>59758932
blame this guy: >>59756223

>>59758834
>don't like systemd? don't use it!
If you prefer windows style software then go use windows

>>59758962
i don't understand your argument, maybe I'm too intelligent, sorry

>>59758900
Udev might become too difficult for Gentoo to maintain, so that's one.
There is Wayland.
elogind is another one. The world would be alright if they developed logind seperately from systemd.
>>59758985
>tfw to intelligent to not use systemd

>>59758829
help

>>59758962
tell that to anyone who uses a DE

>>59759007
>There is Wayland
you can use Wayland on FreeBSD you flaming faggot

let's say systemd takes over and main distros go full red hat
multiple alternative distros will appear and we use these instead (if we want)
freedom of choice remains

>>59759051
exactly

>>59759048
For now Goldberg

>>59759070
who is goldberg

>>59759089
This >>59759048 kike is Goldberg

>>59759105
anime website

to tell you the truth, I only hate systemd because it makes GNU/Linux easier for normies and I want to be hardcore
I also use bare wpa_supplicant for wifi and dwm and st and do manual dependency resolving on slackware because that's so hardcore

>>59759117
shitposting website

Guys wtfs goin on? Recently installed Xubuntu and everything was in working order, however, just recently, the speakers started emitting a digital, staticky crackling sound whenever I play audio (regardless of source). This sound only comes through when I play audio, the speakers are dead quiet when nothing is being played. It fixes itself upon restart but reverts back to distortion after a minute or so. What gives? Thanks /g/

What does /fglt/ think about systemd?

>>59759150
>>59759117
systemd website

>>59759166
it's easy and it just works

>>59759164
>>59759012
you've come at the wrong time fampais

>>59759166
it's unifying some of the efforts of distro maintainers and making the year of the GNU/Linux that much closer

>>59759166
it'll be the end of us

>>59758829
wtf is a intel gphx update utility and why do you have it on your system?

>>59759214
>tfw not skilled at linux yet so can't join in on the ricing and the memes

>>59759283
plsdont

>>59759166
I don't see anything wrong with it

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let's get this party going

>>59759333
you do realize that all the code required to daemonize sshd is contained in that shell script
and that that gives you the freedom to modify the daemon's behavior
the systemd source would be larger and more complicated than all of the init scripts combined

>>59759390
>and that that gives you the freedom to modify the daemon's behavior
and that's exactly what you do with unit files that are much shorter
why would I concern myself with systemd source

>>59759409
init script = maxi freedom

>>59759302
One day I will take up space in your linux threads posting desktop screens and Stallman copypastas, and there is nothing you can do about it

>>59759435
keep chasing your dreams, anon

Help I'm getting a black screen after resuming from hibernation on Mint

>>59759499
did you try

$ sudo apt remove systemd

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Lennart did nothing wrong!
Stop the bully!

>>59759522
I'll try

Hey I've got a dumb question / story. I recently had problems updating some stuff on my Antergos old laptop and did some googling to fix it. Don't really recall what exactly one post told me to do but it was something along the lines of cleaning my old mirror list and adding a new one. So I did that get more errors finding community packages and so on and tried another method which was installing some mirror helper which helped. Forward a week or so of updating as regular (except for ca-certificate-utils which are from 2016-05 and the update manager says "it already exists" whatever that means) until I notice that screenfetch says I'm suddenly running Arch. Like what the fuck did my stupid ass do? Did I get the wrong mirror list and download Arch specific packages? Will I have any problems? I'm new to linux and only use it for my old shitty laptop.

>>59759552
antergos *is* arch you dummy

>>59759574
Are there no differences at all? Is the name change just there because antergos comes with a proper installer? Screenfetch would properly tell me I'm running Antergos before. Please educate me

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>>59759522
Fuck you faggot

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>>59759535

>>59759654
kek

I'm looking for a lightweight, easy to configure mail server with a web interface. Any suggestions?

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>>59759673
linux

>>59759654
did you actually do it?

>>59759919
Yes. Now I'm reinstalling it, thanks.

>>59759978
this whole fucking thread is about systemd, it's obvious that it's something important, what the fuck is wrong with you?

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What do you /fglt/s think about GoboLinux? Ever even heard of it?

>>59759997
What's wrong with YOU. This thread is supposed to be noob friendly not just another trolling thread

>>59760037
>>59759978
>>59759654
this has to be bait

>>59759978
you did good

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>>59760046
Fuck you

>>59760085
And you too

At least it's working now

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>>59759522
>>59759654
>>59760156

Simply ebin

>>59759552
>>59759627
pls respond

Hi friends, I successfully made the switch to Ubuntu about a year ago, and know my way around pretty well now. What's resulted is that I have a comfy setup but a general awareness of Ubuntu's bloat. Due to my autism, this new awareness has convinced me to make a switch.

Here are the things I want out of my new system:

Comfy
Battery life remains the same
Minimal - only the things I want
Stable enough to not lose my essays in the middle of typing them.
Increases efficiency/speed as I've noticed Ubuntu has certain minor resource hogs for things I don't need or want to deal with.

I was thinking about Arch or Debian. I'm obviously willing to follow the Wiki for arch but I don't want to break my ass everytime I want to install or use a normie program like Spotify or Skype.

Thanks

>>59760396
Void is the best distro but getting normie proprietary stuff can be panful. Arch is good. Debian is slightly more bloated but still great.

>>59760591
Yea I need the proprietary stuff so Void is out
Cool. Arch it is then. Want less bloat.

>>59760396
Mint. Cinnamon is perfect

>>59760743
rofl

>>59760354
>I recently had problems updating some stuff
what stuff? what kinda problems?
if it's a problem with the new version of a package, you downgrade (or don't update), report and wait until it gets fixed
if it's a problem with dependency handling, report to the package maintainers
>did I get the wrong mirror list and download Arch specific packages
antergos is literally arch with an installer, it even uses the same repos as arch

also
>update manager
what even

>>59760591
Arch is more bloated than Debian, newfriend.

>>59760354
post the contents of /etc/lsb_release

>>59760796
There's a program called "lsb_release" for that job.

What version of Tuxracer should I get? Is the Extreme Tux Racer good?

>>59761238
>not getting supertuxkart

>>59761247
I was about to ask about it, I'll download it then

>you can't use the update manager while downloading something with the application manager
wtf mint wtf gnu slash linux

>>59761247
Holy shit, this game is pretty fun

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-18-04-ship-gnome-desktop-not-unity
>Mark Shuttleworth has announced that Canonical is to end its investment in Unity 8, Mir, Ubuntu for phones and tablets, and will no longer pursue its goal of “convergence”.
it's done, red hat won

If pacman -Syu upgraded my kernel can I reload it without rebooting?

systemd is now the standard init system

Wayland is now the standard display protocol

GTK is now the most popular UI toolkit

GNOME is now the standard linux desktop

IT'S HAPPENING!!!!

>>59761878
no

so, what's the difference between ubuntu and debian now?

>>59761945
Is there a way to verify in the terminal whether you're running Wayland or Xorg?

>>59762017
try running xrandr or xkb-switch
if you're using fedora 25 you're running wayland
if not, you're most likely not

>>59761945
I support 2/4 of those.
Gtk and Wayland are objectively/technically superior and the future
Systemd and gnome 3 are major regressions

>>59762187
>Gtk
>objectively/technically superior and the future
what are you saying here, anon?

>>59761945
you forgot pulse audio as the standard sound system

>>59762187
GTK is fucking awful

>>59761945
All cancer except for Wayland

>>59761878
Only if you pacman -Syu on ubuntu or fedora
http://ksplice.oracle.com/try/desktop

Hey friends, I've been fixing up this old acer aspire one for the past couple of days. So far I've gotten a debian minimal install with i3 and it's been pretty nice, but my web browsing kinda sucks. Honestly not using this thing for very much web browsing, but I'd like to be able to maybe read shit online or just use this as a dedicated shitposting box. Currently using firefox since I think it's pretty great on my windows machine, but I now realize it's fairly heavy on resources. Anyone have some recommendations for lightweight web browsers or maybe some kind of weird command line thing that Stallman uses? I basically live on the command line with this machine.

>>59759409
Because when a shell script breaks, you can easily find out where.
When systemd breaks, good luck pal.

>>59762857
wget

>>59762187
>GTK
>Superior
Fuck off

>dock thinkpad
>undock it
>try to do something with sound
>no output
>unmute it
>still no output
>check pavucontrol
>only device is dummy output
the only way it seems to fix this is to reinstall pulseaudio, which seems just silly
is there a way to fix this without rebooting or reinstalling software?

>>59762209
>>59762304
>>59762917
Why does everyone hate gtk here? My experience is that there are no good qt themes, while gtk is easy to customise and look uniform.

>>59762923
>suddenly doing modprobe snd_hda_intel instead of modprobe -r snd_hda_intel fixed it

>>59762970
Because some of us aren't just ricers and have actually programmed shit with GTK?

>>59762915
Stallman just downloads html files and reads them that way?

>>59762994
>The end user should receive a worse experience because it's easier for the programmer
kys

>>59763079
No one gives a shit about your riced desktop.
Qt looks fine for normal users.

>>59763107
Why isn't qt used? Most applications I've used only come with gtk, which is apparently painful to develop with.

>>59763125
Either >muh C or >muh GNOME.

are there alternatives to Network Manager for starting a hotspot? i cant add my own hosts file when using the nm-managed hotspot.
i googled and found hostapd, but it does not work

>>59755977
I have a hypothetical senario with VPs and vnc, could I run doom on the VPs and generate the graphic by my client PC's GPU?

>tfw you've been using Unity for the last 2 years
>tfw canonical is shutting it down

fug, time to see if the gnome devs removed their heads from their asses

>>59756728

Took me 10 seconds to find it on my search engine. Hint the characters ForceCompositionPipeline = On show up.

>>59758692

>It's becoming harder for the Gentoo people to split apart udev and systemd.
Wew and their work has been totally worthwhile by now. It improved the situation for everyone, it was so useful.

>>59759390

>daemonize sshd
>sshd
>d

It's already "daemonized" idiot. You wouldn't want to change anything hin there. If yes, the most common options are most likely exposed via systemd service files.
All it is is 300 lines of repetitive functions which every other service file will have as well. If you like that, how about you start throwing away functions in programming, because apparently that's what you love.

>>59762907

There's something called logging. Look up the concept of it.

>>59762994

Show us your amazing GTK programs.

With Ubuntu ditching Unity it's pretty obvious that Canonical got absolutely cucked by Red Hat.
>Lost on upstart
>Lost on Mir
>Lost on their attempt to replace gnome
Red Hat now has more control over GNU/Linux than they ever have before. Their ecosystem is obviously dominant at this point. What does it mean for the future?

>>59763937
agreed, they should've ditched udev right after systemd merge in

Can someone explain why systemd is bad? Is it a botnet?

>>59764144
Eudev is functionally identical to udev so I have no idea what the Gentoo devs are doing to change udev

>>59764155
Can someone explain why systemd is good?

>>59764144

>uses something and it makes his life easier
>still hates it and has bold opinions about it, without really knowing what the software in question does

It's a miracle that idiots like you can even function.

>>59764197
>uses something
I don't use (e)udev nor systemshit

>>59764218
youre a cool guy

>>59764218

Good for you.

>>59764155
It's free (GPL) software, so it's pretty unlikely there is a botnet/spyware in it. Anyone can look through the source code to make sure. That said, it has a few problems in my eyes:
It's very complex. Older init scripts were a patchwork of almost as complex code. Systemd is massive, in terms of LOC (300k at this point iirc) and unneeded features, making it possibly insecure. The huge codebase that constantly evolves is only truly understood by the devs. This means Red Hat could sneak a backdoor in for the NSA (pretty conspiracy tier though). I dislike it because it's overly complex for, as
>>59764189 claims, zero benefit.
I use runit but don't mind occasionally using systemd. It's also worrying that lots of stuff is starting to depend on it, like gnome and udev, which it assimilated.

>>59764243
>>59764244
why are you dumbfucks acting like I brought it up first or for no reason or to """"brag""""?
I was just responding to
>uses something and it makes his life easier without really knowing what the software in question does
fuck off

>>59764256
>pretty conspiracy tier though
how so? they have been working together before for selinux, why wouldn't they work together for prism?

>>59764256

>it's very complex
No, the problem it tries to solve is complex.

>unneeded features
Yes, they add things because they feel like it, not because people request it.

systemd is a cool name to be honest

>>59764347
explain how the problem is not solved by runit, which has far fewer lines of code

/g/ srsly needs ids

>>59764438
no

>>59764438
i'm starting to think the massive amount of pro and anti systemd shilling here is done by only two different people

normie here, I don't fully understand all the fuzz about systemd but I guess it's better not to use it? so what are the alternatives? is there a systemd free distro for normies?

I'm using systemd (it was preinstalled in my distro), now I feel somehow insecure for using it. What do? Am I a bad person when I keep using it?

>>59764476
with such a massive amount of shitposting here regarding it it's hard to get an accurate viewpoint
I feel like it's unnecessarily large, and it seems keen to absorb more and more system functionality. Other init systems can do it without being as bloated, like openRC and runit. Openrc tries to do similar stuff, and is a little slower, ( a few seconds), and can do all the same stuff. Runit is more minimalist but just as useful, as well as the same speed as systemd. Unfortunately, literally every normie friendly distro I can think of uses it. The main distros without it are Void (runit) gentoo (openrc by default), Slackware (old init scripts/sysv) and pclinuxos. Void is the most normie friendly of them, but installing it is only slightly easier than arch. It's rolling release and has binary packages. Unfortunately, it has barely any packages, especially proprietary software, and is devoid of useful documentation. Void is probably your best shot because it has binary packages, unlike gentoo where you wait to compile everything, but it's hard to find support if something goes wrong. Nobody here, even me actually understands systemd, so we're all talking out of our ass. I just don't like it because runit does the same stuff with far fewer lines of code.

>>59764501
install void
IMO the only reason to be opposed to it ideology, ie you hate poettering/red hat, or its bloat

>>59764527
what's wrong with redhat/pottering? why should we hate them?

>>59764554
They wrote free software for us but it's too succsessful.

>>59764521
>literally every normie friendly distro I can think of uses it
you didn't list Manjaro+openrc
also, pclinuxos is very normie friendly

>>59764554
you shouldn't unless you are a conspiracy theorist
Red Hat contributes massively to the kernel, filesystems and fuckloads of other software that everyone, even opponents of systemd use. Everything they contribute is free software, so anyone can audit the code. That said, they have worked with the US govt and NSA in the past, to increase the security of the kernel (SELinux) so some people think, with no real evidence, that there is a backdoor in systemd.

Poettering works for red hat and masterminded systemd. He has controversial opinions , especially about hating the unix philosophy. he also made pulseaudio, which broke sound for a lot of people due to distros implementing it badly.

>>59764527
hating on systemd is one thing, but why hate the developer?

>>59764574
manjaro openrc isn't officially supported, is it? i'll have to give it a try as a void user because I liked arch years ago

please stop arguing about systemd
Everyone's heard the arguments a million times, and everybody just spouts talking points/makes stuff up.

>>59764575
>which broke sound for a lot of people
lol, pulse actually improved alsa pretty much

seriously niggers, no need to hate everything by pottering because you dont like systemd

>>59764433

You must be one of those idiots who compares the lines of runit to systemd as a whole and not just systemd's init part.
Even then, lines are irrelevant and only retards who don't program care about them. Just like only retards care about installed package numbers in their screenfetch screenshots.

>>59764501

Yes, you are insecure. Best would be not to use a computer at all to remain safe. I stopped using computers back in 2007. So should you.

>>59764574

>pclinuxos

You mean worthless downstream shit? I am trying to comprehend what type of retardation it would take to use a distribution like that. It takes a big retard to use Manjaro or Elementary Os, I can't imagine what type of idiot would use pclinuxos.

let talk about pulseaudio

why didn't pulse replace audio completly? why of top of alsa? doesn't it make the audio mess even worse?

>>59764593

You can choose between copy/pasted, meme parroting and adopted edgy opinions systemd arguments or copy/pasted RMS/GNU/Linux arguments.
The noise in these threads has risen to 60% now.

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>>59764653
Some people think that it's because I want my ego to be fed. Of course, I'm not asking you to call it 'Stallmanix'.

will canonical add spyware into gnome?

>>59764347
>No, the problem it tries to solve is complex.
That's because it tries to solve every "problem".
systemd has no clearly defined purpose and goals.
It's classic kitchen sink software.

>>59764693
>systemd has no clearly defined purpose and goals.
It's a init system. Look it up.

>>59764695
systemd fans actually get mad when you call it an init system.

can someone give me a short tl;dr about the systemd discussion? whats wrong with it?!

>>59764724
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

>>59764693

That has been addressed by the creators themselves.
It tries to solve every problem related to system management. There are defined goals, but new goals constantly pop up because it's a complex and changing area. This isn't your system information shell script or your Japanese cartoon viewer program. It's a crucial component and those things evolve as common practices evolve.

Kill yourself for needing to have basic things explained to you while displaying smugness about your lack of knowledge, idiot.

>>59764730
anime website

>>59764730
>It tries to solve every problem related to system management.
System management is an extremely broad term and it's easy to include just about everything with it.
It's not a clearly defined purpose and it's not how you do a software project.

we could rewrite systemd in node.js

>>59764793
polkit already uses JavaScript
systemd is sure to follow

>>59764759

Yes, they obviously just wing it. Instead they should look into the future and see how technology will progress and which needs will arise, so they can create a roadmap for it. They don't even have to look that far into the future, perhaps 20 years is okay, that's not a lot of time in the computer field.
You should help them out with your software projecting experience. Perhaps show them your publicly hosted fizzbuzz in 12 languages or "dotfile" collection. That will show them how much you know about large-scale, core operating system components.

does systemd have backdoors?

>>59764880
Well, systemd is free software, but they could intentionally add a bug which could be abused as backdoor.

STOP TALKING ABOUT SYSTEMD WE DID THIS LAST THREAD AND THE ONE BEFORE THAT

>>59764850
How about trying to solve problems we have now first?
And re-evaluate your software design when the future is actually there?
Instead of just hacking more shit on top without any thought at all.

>>59764892
doesnt that mean that basically all free software could have backdoors?

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>>59764880
systemd is the backdoor

>>59764902
pottering pls

>>59764946
But Poettering loves to talk about systemd

>>59764951
whats wrong with talking about systemd?

>>59764905
Yes, all software could have backdoors. Of course, the more trivial the software the more difficult it is to add one. And that's why systemd seems suspicious, it's like they are deliberately trying to increase the attack surface and to obscure what's running on your system (shell scripts -> config files with defaults you need to look up, text logs -> binary logs to see which you basically have to rely on one program to parse and present them to you)

>>59764961
Can you not follow a simple reply chain?

>>59764911
how to remove it?

>>59764971
linux ≈ systemd
remove linux

>>59764347
>No, the problem it tries to solve is complex.
No, it's not.
What """problems""" does systemd solve that runit can't?
>Yes, they add things because they feel like it, not because people request it.
99% of users do not need the """features""" contained in systemd, and they have been known to break.

>>59764971
install gentoo

>>59764967

It's one guy who keeps posting these questions and then answering them. Ignore it. He's either a retard who thinks he's funny or a retard who thinks he can disrupt the thread or create FUD.

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systemd isn't that bad, isn't it?

systemd myths D E B U N K E D

http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html

>>59765043
Sure if you're okay that the guy who made PulseAudio is responsible for the second most critical component on your Linux system.

>>59765057
There is literally nothing wrong with PulseAudio (anymore)

>>59765057
GNU/Linux*

>>59765066
It's gotten a lot better since someone else took over and mitigated some of Lennart's vomit in code form. But it's still suffers from poor design decisions Lennart made, like the idiotic on-demand launching.

>>59765086

>on demand launching
It gets started upon login for me and stays active. YOu don't have to use socket activation, you idiot and that's not even an issue.
Nitpick and be mad more. I am willing to be my kidney that you have zero knowledge about anything audio related or even unrelated things like socket activation, yet you continue to talk as if you're hot shit with your adopted bold opinions from other likeminded idiots.

>>59765123
>worksme.tiff
No one cares

>>59765145

It works for hundreds of thousands of people, yet not for you. You should care, because you're obviously an idiot who's doing something wrong.

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>>59765161
>It's everyone's fault but mine!
Hello Lennart.

One thing I noticed is that pro-poettering squad in here seems to be much angrier and tends to use the word "nigger" often.
>Your assignment is to shill on 4chin today. Don't forget to call your opponents niggers in every post to fit in

I install Arch linux with XFCE and i dont know why when i select my wifi in the network manager (the addon) instead of passwd tell me "disconnected"
but if i use the comand line nmcl it works

why?