/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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what do you guys think?

exclusively gaming, with room to improve as new Intel chips come out

Should I get i5 7500 or 7600?

>>59651161

>i5
Stop this meme. Get a Ryzen 5 and B350 board.
Also
>acer monitor

>>59651199
Neither

>>59651211

no, i'm not waiting for anything else. if you /pcbg/ had their way, no one would ever actually build a computer because they'd always want you to wait for whatever is on the horizon.

>>59651230

>Waiting

You can buy them right now on Ebay or wait for 10 days for official release. Stop being a retard.

>>59651240

>buying a chip that has its pins on the CPU instead of the motherboard.

still no, buying intel.

>>59651251

Enjoy being a moneywasting retard with a throttled PC then. Don't ask for opinions if you're too stupid to take good advice.

>>59651264

All of the benchmarks have it at a much lower single-core performance, what makes it better than the i5?

I-Is my build ok senpai?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zqP9Ps

>>59651294

>All of the benchmarks have it at a much lower single-core performance

Cool. i5's are starting to choke now due to lack of threads and i5's lose to Ryzen in almost all benches unless they're really old games.

So unless you want to wait for Coffeelake, don't get a fucking i5 or any 4 thread CPU for that matter.

>>59651341
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zqP9Ps


Make sure your memory is compatible with your board first. Also get a 1700 not an 1800x.

How hard is replacing the stock intel HSF with a 212 evo?

Will i have to fully disassemble the PC for it?

>>59651353

Depends on your case. Sometimes no, sometimes you'll have to at least take the motherboard out.

>>59651344

Why are there no AM4 ITX motherboards?

http://www.subito.it/audio-video/bang-olufsen-beoplay-h3-anc-vicenza-199631459.htm?last=1&spoint=ar

>>59651414

There are. You only need a B350 board. Though there is a single X370 ITX board too.

>>59651459

From what I'm seeing, it's only Micro ATX and the one X370 ITX

I'm just gonna switch my 7600k to a 6700k

>>59651511
Better than a 7600k thank fuck.

>>59651385
HAF912.

Are 768p TN monitors bad?

I will buy a BenQ monitor so i dont use my family TV for s long time for $1500 MXN.

Current setup, with prices paid for upgrades through the years
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mNyyRG
>so close to mahnigger
Pretty happy, thinking of i7 3770 and faster ram then holding out for Zen+

Worth it? 2x8 Dominator 2400 mhz on craigs for $100, sure I could get it for less. i7 3770 non K are around $100 on the bay. Can sell mine after.

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why is this general filled with ayymd shills? Isn't that btfo one month ago enough?

>>59651560
>>59651611
same case. almost same cooler just slide off the back panel and you can pop the backplate on if it is mAtX or ATX mobo. my eATX doesn't line up with the opening.

>>59651599
And before anyone asks
>1080p and or IPS
I need to pay debts, is that or nothing.
>$1500 MXN
$70 USD.

>>59651161
>RGB shit
please throw yourself from a fucking pear or something.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wYLjKZ

need a new set-up for 4k gaming/VR/HD streaming. only stipulation is that the motherboard and GPU have to be from Asus.

>>59651673

and ricing is encouraged

recommendation on SSDs? gonna grab one around 500GB and I've heard SanDisk sucks, as well as PNY sometimes. So what's the trustworthy brand?

>>59651673
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wYLjKZ

>1800x
>not 1700

Also why ASUS? ASUS boards are bricking themselves if you're unlucky.

The Kraken X62 doesn't fit AM4 yet.

Make sure your RAM actually runs at the advertised speed.

>>59651632
Alright, thanks.

>>59651742

Asus is a sponsor, and i've had nothing but good luck with them in the past

thanks on the cooler, i'll check on other ones

and this is just for pure performance, i'm not paying for any of this

>>59651742
Not him but its only 2% fail rate, what could go wrong?

>Tfw just ordered an ASUS motherboard and im worried something might go wrong

When the fuck are they going to restock ASrock X370 taichis?

>>59651742
Wasn't that just a problem with the early BIOS? So far it seems like the Crosshair VI is the best AM4 motherboard around, followed by the ASRock Fatality Professional gaming

>>59651803
This.
Only the beta BIOS would brick.
Going from 0702 to 0902 was completely safe.

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Daily reminder to stop recommending the 2 core meme CPU for "budget gaming"


You will get memed on hard if you fall for it. All modern games will have horrible stutter on it. 2 cores simply can't keep up.

Either buy a used i5 or an FX

>>59651823

that's just the minimum framerate, which isn't indicative of studder. it just means that for one split-second it dropped down to 21fps.

>>59651839
AKA stutter.

>>59651341
>>59651611
>>59651742
Get pentium g4560. Save you a lot of money while single thread performance is superb and it also has hyperthreading.
Inb4 >two cores in 2k17
You don't need more than two cores, amd shills.

>>59652574

fuck off retard

>>59651823

>>59652585
Min frame rate is irrelevant because shit happens all the time, not decrease gaming experience, and it has nothing to do with CPU because graphics rendering is heavily relying on GPU alone. If you want to increase min frame rate, get a better GPU like 1060 6gb or 1070 to pair with g4560, which later one is my current rig. All AAA games above 90 fps and it runs smoothly. A $65 CPU could get the job done why would you get scammed by amd's more than 4 """"cores"""" """"CPU""""? Do your own research and then you have experience to debate me, kiddo.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HCt4m8

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>>59651161
>I'm a fucking retard and considering an i3/i5 because I don't think a G4560 is good enough
>or I'm more retarded and think I can get nearly the performance in gaymes and general PC use from a 6700k as a 7700 non-k by overclocking it (protip: I can't)
>$1345
No, you have no fucking clue what you're doing.
Get a 7700-nonk. It's a bit lower clocked, but its 8 threads at 3.6-4.2ghz is better than a 7600k at 4.9Ghz on average without costing you lots of on electricity. It's locked, but you weren't even going to overclock it anyway.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Cy9yRG

Compare that to people listing $1450 for a fucking 7600k with a 1080. $100 cheaper, way better memory, better SSD, better everything.

>I want like that above, but I think moar coars will pay off better with future games, overclockable, and the extra upgradability that comes with AM4 socket support
Same thing, but swap out the 7700 for a 1600 or 1600X that are coming April 11th and a B350 motherboard. If 1600X, add a cooler.
Should be ~$50 cheaper. Better in some games, worse in others. Much better multitask.

>I want the absolute cheapest that's still good, and has a good upgrade path to upgrade incrementally later.
>1080p 60fps in 95% of games
>$590. $490 if you replace the 525GB SSD with a 1TB HDD
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mTN2f8

>I want the cheapest that handles 1440p 60fps minimum well, or that will continue to do 60fps minimum in most games and more current games than the G4560 does
Take the G4560 system and replace the CPU with a 1400 or 1500X that are coming April 11th and a B350 motherboard.
Replace GPU with an R9 Fury ($235) /1070 ($310-$370).

>i'm poor as fuck, but instead of getting an extra job I want to play video games all day
>$300
Refurbished A12-9800 non-pro for <$350. That'll play most games at 40-60fps+ at 1080p, medium-high settings in 95% of games.

>I still want an i3 or i5
I recommend poison

>>59652703
Swap 6700k with pentium g4560 then you're good to go.

>>59652713

lol orly

>>59652710
Don't misguide him. Don't tell him to wait for AMD which is always DOA.
>>59651161
Don't listen to the shills above. Get g4560 and you are done.

>>59652724
>>59652713
>>59652668

How much does Intel pay you?

>>59652722
Yes I'm running the similar build right now expect one 1070 instead of two 1080 because that would be a bit overkill, but one 1070 with g4560 would btfo any ryzen build systematically and occasionally.

>>59652737
Actually they didn't pay me anything except tho, I pay $65 for a pentium g4560 and in return I got nice customer support as well as great drivers and gaming optimization, which in case you didn't know, something AMD fanboys has never had.

>>59651142
another fucktarded OP recommending an i5-7500.

Who are you that keeps posting this same busted bullshit?

>>59652724
You clearly didn't read my post.

I equally recommended Intel and AMD CPUs depending on the preference and use case.

I recommend drowning yourself.

>>59652767
I did and I think you didn't read my post. AMD CPUS ARE SCAM, so you know that and you should not push him off the cliff. Just recommend Intel to everyone like a good Samaritan. Hope you doing well.

I'm so confused.

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think I did pretty good

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>>59651645
RBG shit's awesome, my keyboard's backlight turns from green to red as my processor heats up. You just need to accept the future.

>>59652834
>Buy FX in 2017
kys

>>59652834
I mean if you already have the motherboard, and can overclock it, and a have a good enough cooler for said overclocking... I guess it's okay.

But jesus wasting money on new memory too..

>>59652890
>got it with a mobo for $100
Can't get me mad today, m8

>>59652915
I debated going over to ddr4 but the cheapest CPU with the instructions I was looking for was the 6100. Needless to say it didn't persuade me to make the jump. At least the RAM will look pretty with my H7...hopefully.

>>59652834
Done really good in the CPU and mobo.
But as always, try for an rx 480.
The fuck, a $5 platinum 750W PSU.
If you're scoring that well, go bananas on the GPU.

>>59652921
>>59652834

Good deal desu. Nice find.

>>59652970
Thanks pham, really the 470 is the only component I regret. I got it as soon as newegg started adding dropping the 470 prices with a lot of add ons. I thought it couldn't get much better so pulled the trigger. Now 480 8GB are hitting the $150 range and now I cry myself to sleep.

I sniped the PSU from ebay with a $30 ebay coupon and rebate cards I forgot I had. Still has about 5 years of guest EVGA warranty on it.

>>59653030
>$150 range
what's "range"
they're literally on sale for $150 at least once a week.

>>59653051
well shit

>>59652574
>>59651611
>get a bentium, new board and ram so I can have worse performance than my 5 year old locked cpu? Sounds legit.
http://valid.x86.fr/e5h92j
>i5 6600 barely beats it
It was only $70 on ebay.

>>59653030
>>59653051
>rx480 8gb for $150
What? Where do you find this? All I see is always 200ish.

>>59653173
>480 8GB
all I see it 200-250 lol

Any ryzen itx boards on the horizon or will i have to go for a larger case?

>>59651161
What the hell how is that psu so cheap

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>>59651142
I need some input on optimal fan configurations. I'm looking to get as much cooling performance out of my AIO's as possiible in hopes of getting a bit more headroom.
I have a 240mm rad intake in the front of my case with 2 corsair sp120s and a 120mm ~55cfm fan not attached to a rad. A 120mm intake with some power logic fan for my gpu. 2 120mm phanteks exhausting in the top fan spots.

If I install 2 more fans on the front rad and 1 more on the back for push-pull how important it is that they have similar performance to the fans already mounted on them? I don't want to buy more fans than I have to. Also I should be looking for static pressure over air flow correct?

>>59653173
>>59653183
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137082 This was $150 yesterday. Now it's $180.

Comes with Doom as well. If you value that at like $15, then really it was $135. (or sell Doom for $15)

Other things you can do.. well there's $190 for the Sapphire Nitro model.
If you get $200 of Newegg gift cards from Groupon using Ebates and buy from newegg through Ebates, that saves 19%. That makes it $153.
But the Nitro isn't really the best model.

>>59653244
Probably bought from a friend?
EVGA has a sale going on at their website, though.
550W PSU for $20.
980Ti for $325.
Some pretty good stuff.

>>59653232
Not sure if they'll be here for Ryzen 5 release but "soon".

>>59651611
Buying new DDR3 that won't work with Zen is incredibly dumb.
You're better off just buying Zen now so you'll have the AM4 motherboard and DDR4 RAM and then upgrading to Zen++ or something further down the road.

>>59653291
holy fuck that looks like its going to suck in so much dust when all you have is 3 fans pushing out through radiators and nothing esle.

You need intake fans behind dust filters up top, is probably the only way you can manage that in that case.

Just get positive pressure in the case with intake fans and that's help about as much as push-pulling (especially with push fans designed for radiators already) AND help dust at the same time.

>>59653232

There's an X370 ITX board out. All other vendors I think are preparing for Ryzen 5 ITX launch.

>>59653335
It currently does have positive air pressure. The 120 fan in the rear is an intake, and three in takes up front. The two top mounted 120mm fans are exhausts.

>>59653352
>pulling hot air through your radiator and into your case so the other radiator is pushing hot air through
...
kay.

Do I really have to explain how that's not ideal? Like... it's so basic. I think a majority of 6th grade science students would know not to do that if given it on a test.
Radiators should ALWAYS take air from inside the case and push that air out.

You need to reverse all your fans. Get 140mms for the top if you can to pull air in.

Ideally you'd put your 240/280mm up front to the top instead, and put your small radiator outside the case so it can fit, but you probably can't given that it's an AIO. That way you could have big front fans as intakes.

>>59653302
>Buying new DDR3 that won't work with Zen is incredibly dumb.
I was going to offer $80, flip my ram on ebay for whatever it'll fetch. got $35 for 4x2 xms3 1600 figure4 I could get $60 out of my set. I still have all the packaging.

>>59653393

>pulling hot air through your radiator

Yes I'm sure the ambient temperature outside the case is higher than the temperature inside the case you fucking idiot.

>>59653393
They are both pulling cool, ambient temperature air, into the case. There are two fans ontop of the case exhausting hot air. You say that radiators should always be taking hot air from inside the case and blowing it out but why? The only things not being cooled by the AIOs are ram, mobo, hdd, all of which have fine temperatures. It's not like the air coming in from the rads and extra non-rad fan is 10000c, just slightly above ambient, and it's being exhausted efficiently through 2 120mm fans at the top of the case, where the warmest of the air is going to be.

What are some good quiet case fans with no bells and whistles that I can use to intake? Don't care much about static pressure as I have a custom loop already, just want to achieve positive pressure to keep dust out.

140mm and 120mm are both fine I suppose though I'd prefer 120mm.

>>59653428
>>59653393
I'm not trying to be belligerent btw, just woke up. I think I'm just doing a poor job of explaining how it's set up. I'll come back after work with a diagram showing air flow.

>>59653411
lmao?
You fill the case with hot air that heats your VRMs and shit.

You want to pull ambient air in and then push that ambient air through your radiators and outside the case.

>>59653520
I totally understand that but I am limited by the fact that my 240mm rad will not fit at the top of the case due to ram clearance. That being said the motherboard never gets past 40c, the air is only marginally warmer after passing through the rads and there is an intake that is not attached to a rad so it should be fine.
If I add extra fans to both rads do they have to be the same model as the ones already on them to improve performance or will any additional fans on them do nothing but help?

In that picture the front rad is push/pull but I've since taken those fans off.

>>59653644
Oh, I assumed it was just the small rad that was in the way.

You can't take off and replace the RAM heatsinks?

The way it's done is okay. Just not optimal.

The problem you're having is probably just the problem inherit with AIOs which is heatsoak. Not having a large reservoir means that little bit of liquid in them more easily gets heated up faster than it can disappate.

From what I've seen in tests, push+pull doesn't do anything now days when you use fans made for radiators, as a single radiator fan will pretty much saturate as much airflow as you can get through it. push+pull only gave benefits when using the usual low pressure case fans from ages ago.

If you had a custom loop you could obviously get thicker radiators, 45mm thick or more. But AIOs are simply shit and generally worse than high end air cooling, or when they are better than high end air it's at the expense of being 4x noisier.

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>>59651142
/***********************Help a Nigga Out***********************/

About to put together a custom loop in an InWin 901. It's primarily going to be to cool the 1080Ti I have coming because my current 1080 gets to 91C in that case so I can only imagine what kind of furnace an extra 70W of TDP will turn my case into.

It's a small case so probably tricky but I've decided on 1 120mm rad in the bottom and 1 120mm rad at the back.

Problem is, my CPU is gonna stay air-cooled since it runs pretty cool anyway (when my GPU isn't dumping hot air into the case) but will the rad pulling hot air in mean that CPU temps will rise significantly?

Any ideas of how I could better mount the cooling? or even how i could manage some extra rads? I can remove the hard drive cage if necessary to make room for another rad or something but it would have nowhere to exhaust and I'm not prepared to drill any holes in the case since that would fuck up the aesthetic of the case.

Also any tips on which rads to use? I've put everything together with the EK configurator and it's come to $400ish. I'd like to save a bit if I can.

pic related, it's a "fairly" recent pic of the PC from about a year ago. Not much as changed besides switching from a 970 to a 1080 and getting some new Klevv Genuine ram.

/****************************Thanks****************************/

>>59651701
Samsung Pro series, its the tits

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Thoughts?

>>59651142
How hard would it to be get an i7 7700k to run Windows 7 and which mobos would make the process easier (manufacturers releasing tools, etc)? Assuming I also have a SATA disc drive for the Win7 disc. What issues can I expect after a successful installation and boot?

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>>59653714
I wish I could afford an open loop but I was able to get both aios for only ~50 more than I would have paid for air cooling. I don't want to fuck with the ram, it's an expensive kit 3600mhz cl16. My game scales very well with mem frequency.

I may be able to get the 240mm up top if I buy 2 slim fans and that will allow me to use it and the 120mm rad as exhausts and mount 3 140mm intakes up front. This is going to require buying way more fans than I had wanted to though.I tried pic related but it didn't work well. Front panel limits air flow too much.

Also I think the temp sensor on my 980ti is fucked because sometimes it just goes up unacceptably high for seemingly no reason and then comes down. I just reseated the pump/block with cryonaut paste and flipped the GPU rad so the tubes go into the bottom which evga says is optimal. Shits driving me nuts.
>>59653722
that case is unacceptably attractive. do want

>>59653780
You are paying a shit load of money for aesthetics. As long as you realize that, whatever. A 1080ti will probably give better experience than 1080 sli unless you're building for a specific game that has good sli support and it's your primary concern.

Your post reeks of bait though.

>>59653794
this is goal-tier, planning to build by the years end

>>59653780

>SLI
Dropped for being retarded already.

>>59653780
Looks fine. It's a lot of money, but nothing wrong with it.

I'd get 1 1080Ti and even then you're going to CPU bottleneck in some games like BF1 multiplayer.
Also with that sort of money being spent, I'd get a fanless or Seasonic 80+ Titanium PSU.

Oh. I just noticed both SSDs are only 500gb... why?
Why not just get a 1TB 960 Evo NVMe and add a 1TB or 2TB SATA SSD on later...?

>>59653783
You just have to manually download patches, as far as I can see.
But since you're going through the trouble, just use Linux and dual boot or run Windows in a VM so you don't have to bother with Windows much.

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>>59653804
idk what game you play but since buying fast ddr4 I swear by it. You could buy 16gb of the best ram on the market for less than your rgb 32gb kit. Some games go up in fps like crazy. I play WoW like a faggot but check out the graph. One is mistitled. The bottom graph is stock 6600k/ddr4 2133, the top right is stock 6600k/ddr4 3600 cl16, the top left is OC 6600k/3600 cl16.
You're going to want as much "cpu" perf as you can get with that much gpu power and memory performance falls into the "cpu" bottleneck tier. Just something to consider. I'm sure some people will disagree but it's not like there is anywhere else to put the money you would save by getting slower ram, you're already buying the best GPUs on the market.

why are there literally zero hardwood cases
>heat dissipation
is it really that bad

>>59653785
>only 50 more
I'm pretty certain those Corsair AIOs are worse than a high end Noctua or Be Quiet! air cooler, so why is spending more for them better?

I really don't get why pcfags buy into this a2w meme so easily when carfags are so unconvinced of a2w intercoolers which can actually work as long as they are supported properly.
I guess since PCs don't literally explode when you use a shitty a2w aio

>>59653878
Na, a wood case would work perfectly fine.

And actually there are wood cases. There's templates to cut cases out of that particle-board shit.

>>59653911
>There's templates to cut cases out of that particle-board shit
i was hoping for cases milled from a solid block of mahogany or something, not IKEAshit

>>59653921
Then mill one.

>>59653844
>You just have to manually download patches, as far as I can see.
Right, thank you. Just wondering if some of the more popular manufacturers (MSI/Gigabyte) have released tools/patches to make that easier, as I've head was the case for Skylake.
>But since you're going through the trouble, just use Linux and dual boot or run Windows in a VM so you don't have to bother with Windows much.
I'll do that if it turns to be too obtuse, yeah. I was going to dualboot anyways.

>>59651823
The reason why it has those FPS with Pentium is because of the AMD GPU which only run well with quad cores, while Nvidia cards run fine even with a dual core.

>>59653965
This anon is mostly correct.

AMD GPU DX<12 drivers suck for dual cores.

But the 2c/4t, and 4c/4t, also just plain suck in a lot of games and have for a while.

>>59653780
lemme fix dat for you:

Don't get a 7700k, get Ryzen. Seriously, the difference in gaming is basically nothing if you use fast ram, and the Ryzen is miles ahead in anything else. it's a simple decision. buy the r7 1700 and overclock it to 4ghz and get a ram and mobo combo that will allow you to run 3200mhz+ ram. Also ryzen is cheaper when you factor in motherboard prices.

Don't get the kraken, it's shit. In fact, don't get any closed loop cooler. Get an NH-D15 or go custom loop.

Don't get the 850 pro. Get the evo, it's the same shit.

Get a 250gb m.2 drive as you C drive, more than that is a serious waste of money seeing as you're getting a regular SSD as storage. In fact what you should do it get a 250gb 950 evo and a 1tb 850 evo.

Seeing as you have the money for dual gtx 1080s spend $200-300 more and get 1080Tis. It's worth the upgrade and the resale value will be far greater in a years time.

case is just preference really but I would go for the inWin 909 for max aesthetics.

Also get a superflower leadex power supply or a corsair RM850i power supply. They piss on EVGA power supplys. 850w will be enough for sli 1080Tis though so good wattage choice.

also I know you're an rgb autist but those fans are shit. get some beQuiet! Silent Wings or noctua fans.

If you stick with the 7700k don't forget to delid goy!

>>59653844
I disagree with this guys pc advice. his advice is basically "spend moar fagg0t lol"

titanium PSUs are just snake oil and cost retarded money. Also getting a large nvme drive is wallet suicide, you should get a 250gb nvme drive and use a sata ssd or even hdd for storage.

Also the cpu bottleneck meme needs to die, what if he was planning on running 4k? there no way the cpu is gonna bottleneck that. even at 1080p games are fucking gpu bound.

>>59654160
1 1080Ti is $300-$400 less than 2 1080s.

1 960 Evo 1TB is like $75 more than a 500gb 960 and 850.
Better PSU, another $25-$50.

So $175-$275 less, fucktard.

I want to build a desktop primarily for guitar amplifier simulation software like Amplitube 4 and live streaming my guitar playing and recording music possibly with multiple tracks. I have built desktops before but I don't know what exactly would be necessary. I'm thinking the nicest CPU with the highest single thread rating and 16gb+ of ram.

>>59654179
I already agreed with your 1080ti advice and after checking prices I agree with the 1tb 960 evo advice but I stand by saying that a titanium psu is pointless. much better off going for the corsair RMi series or superflower Leadex which actually perform better than most titanium power supplies when it comes to ripple (which is far more important than efficiency). they also have 0% fan speed modes which they are in 90% of the time.

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>>59654222

>streaming
>encoding
>single thread

What?

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I will be using this machine for mainly programming purposes (Work related) and running DAW's for music production. Doesn't have to be a beast gaming wise but processing power is important.

Located in Australia

My budget is 3000$
Its not in the pic but the price is about 2700$ so I have 300 left over.

>>59654558
R7 1700 for any multi use case build

>>59654558

>programming/DAW's
>Wants an i7

Get a Ryzen 7 1700 and a B350 board you idiot.
Invest the remainder into a nicer GPU.

$5 dollars

I have a weird question:

I bought a heavy duty desk from a bank clearout, this shit is like heavy frames with locks on all the cabinets, all metal except for the thick, thick wooden tabletops and drawer covers.

I built my current PC on top of it, and have had my multiplug/wires all over it, I make sure nothing is touching the frame etc, keep my wires bundled and organized with straps and have the surge protector/multiplug up on the desk out of view but is it safe? Can current from the PC or monitors escape the rubber wires in any scenario and pass through into the frame?

Tops of my thighs brush the frame under the table sometimes againt the heavy metal frames and I always wondered why it isn't common to see these desks used and sold in a normal retail store.

>>59654558
r7 1700 will btfo the i7 in compile time, music production... basically everything. Also the motherboards are cheaper so it works out to be the same price. And if you get a ram and mobo combo that allows you to run at 3200mhz+ ram it will be better at gaming also.

Basically you'd be a fool to not get the 1700 and OC it to 4ghz. it's basically the only cpu worth buying in 2017.

what's the best video card nowadays that draws power only from the pcie slot (no 6pin/8pin power connector needed)

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Ill post i guess

>>59654877
Its in kangaroo money btw

>>59654759
Please go away, pajeet.

It's objectively a lie to say it's the only option worth buying.

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>>59654759
>>59654622
>>59654576


Hows this??

When do ITX ryzen boards come out?

>>59651161
If you go for the i5, get this
https://siliconlottery.com/collections/all/products/7600k50g
Or you could also wait for R5 to wipe its ass with the i5

I'm getting a RX 480 in the mail today, I currently have a shitty PSU (Sentey BXP600) and it doesnt have a 8 pin connector.
So, should I get a 6 to 8 pin adapter or should I buy a new PSU? (The only one with a decent price in my country is he EVGA 500 W1, is that shit good)

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Which motherboard and ram would allow me to get 3600mhz on a 1700?

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>>59654916
Good but unless RAM pricing in Aussland is weird, you're overpaying for that ram
You can get 16gb 3200 MHz ram in the US for 115 USD which is 150 Aussie bills

Plus that PSU is a bit overkill, I'm not sure you need that expensive a MOBO, and personally I dont like the case.

>>59654558
Why the 1000W PSU when that system uses like 300W?

And like others said, your use case suggests you should get the 1700.

>>59655163
I got 3200 from the XMP profile from my EVGA RAM ordered from MC on an AB350 pro4. Just worked out of the box. And this was with BIOS 1.44, its now on 2.20 so I'd definitely think about that one if you go b350 chipset.

>>59654916
Nice CPU choice but:

>Get a decent cpu cooler and OC the 1700 to 4ghz. cpu coolers are't something you wanna skip on a build that expensive.

>You could probably find a cheaper mobo that does the same job

>Ram is good but maybe look around for AMD optimised ram so that you can achieve higher ram clocks

>I'm guessing that's AUS or CDN $ because the prices seem a little high. either way the monitor you chose is a bit overpriced for 60hz 1440p. maybe try for a 120hz for a similar price if you can find it. Or go 4k.

>That power supply is stupid. you could get away with a basic as fuck $50 500w psu with that build.


>Even if you wanted to spend a lot on a good power supply get a 700w corsair RMi or superflower leadex. They're cheaper and all you'll ever need.

>Optical drive doesn't seem necessary in <PRESENT DYNASTY>

>>59654877
>spending two thousand dollarydoos and only 4 threads to show for it
beyond help. read the thread.

>>59654916
Just get a B350 Tomahawk, Prime, or whatever that Gigabyte one with the dual BIOS is called. No reason to get a X370 unless you're certain you need those 2 extra PCIe lanes.

Use the savings to get a 1TB SSD instead of the 250 with a HDD.

I don't recommend that case. You can see the oldness in its design now days compared to modern cases.
And honestly, why not just go mATX? Cheaper case, cheaper mobo, you don't lose out on anything.

1000W PSU still makes no sense when the system won't draw over 400.

also
>workstation use
>not 16:10

>>59655016
I've been hearing late April.

>>59654916
that psu is retarded

a 500w psu is enough for that build

a 700w is the absolute max you should ever put in that build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Ld3dwV

Could anyone offer some words on this build?
I know 1000W is too much, but I have one lying around.

I was mostly concerned about the water cooler and if it works with the case, but I don't know how to check that properly.

>>59654916
I'd recommend the ASRock AB350 Pro4 to save some money on the mobo.

X370 is really a waste of money unless you plan to SLI.

The AB350 has really good power management.

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>>59655296
Review of the board

Really no reason to waste money on a 370 chipset

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>>59655207
wouldn't it make sense to work on x370 as long as the bios was updated?

>>59655276
man fuck that. just use the stock cooler at 3.7-3.9ghz. Perfectly good performance unless you're rendering big videos often and shit and really need that extra 5%.

And the dude said aus.

the optical drive is probably needed due to that person's work.

also
>not recommending seasonic
why.

>>59655285
I'd recommend you just get a 7700 unless you're positive you're going to overclock for some important reason. It's like $220 cheaper than what you have there for 95% the performance stock, and still like 80-85% if you're seriously going to OC.

But if you do go with the 7700k, just get a big Noctua or Be Quiet cooler. Cheaper, 1/4th the noise, 90% as good cooling.

>>59655317
Ya. Almost all the B350 boards are good for about 1.4v, at least if you add some $0.50 VRM heatsinks, when you should probably be keeping to 1.25v-1.375v anyway.

The only point I see in X370 is if you REALLY need those 2 more lanes for something, which can come up in workstation use.
Sure it supports SLI, but you have to be pretty dumb to use that.
If there was a X370 under $200 that supported at least 2 full 32Gb/s NVMe slots instead of just 1, then I could understand. But there are none so far, just meme SLI shit boards.

>>59655357
I mean, if it were by the same Manufacturer, then yeah, I could see that being the case.

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>>59655413
Fair enough, never tried Asrock, but there's a first time for everything. Thanks anon

>>59655386
>>not recommending seasonic
corsair and superflower are just seasonic OEMs with extra refinements and digital power delivery

>>59655386
>getting a locked i7
what a good goy

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>>59655454
>getting an i7 at all

>>59655428
ASRock is the new ASUS, it seems

They originally split off from ASUS. They used to be their low tier brand, but ASUS got worse while ASRock got better.

>>59655454
You're retarded

>7600k+mobo+cooler
$240+$110+$30 = $380

>7700k+mobo+cooler
$340+$110+$30 = $480

>7700+mobo+cooler, which is 95% as good stock as the 7700k and better than a 5Ghz overclocked 7600k on average
$260+$75+$0 = $335

Cheaper than a i5-7600k, way cheaper than the 7700k, for way better performance than a i5-7600k. Duuur.

How's it feel to be a brainless moron that can't figure this shit out for yourself?

>>59655511
Not to mention, you're not getting a 5Ghz overclock on a 7600k with a $30 cooler.
You'll need $90 one at least, which makes it $440 for the 7600k vs $335 for the locked 7700 and the 7700 is still better.

>>59651161
H110i GT is garbage, most over-rated cooler ever

hey /g/ I'm planning on replacing my old gtx 750. is it worth jumping to 10xxs or are the 900s still okay for the next few years? I'm mostly using it for work although I use it for occasional for occasional skyrim or whatever that's why I'm looking to changing it.

>>59655555
1070 is overkill for 1080p

480 is the sweet spot for 1080p right now

>>59655555
what's your budget?

>>59655555
Well EVGA 980Ti are on sale for $325. That's a good buy considering it's largely better than the 1070 yet cheaper than most of them.
R9 Fury is the best performance/$ at $235.
Those are ideal for 1440p currently.

After that is the RX480 if you can get a 4GB for $150 or less, or an 8GB for under $170. They go on sale around there often.
Those are ideal for 1080p.

If those are still too much, look for 1050Ti or RX470 on sale under $120.

You can also consider waiting for Vega when it comes to 1440p, 2560x1600, ultrawide, or 4k.

Currently have a GTX 9800 and looking to upgrade, but I'm also a super poorfag. If AMD's 200 series onwards is all rebrands would it be best to buy a 270 or 280 for cheap and OC it to get 470/480 performance? I have a 1080p monitor so I don't think I need the extra VRAM that the newer GPUs provide.

>>59655563
>>59655575
>>59655584
Budget is around $300. I can probably push it but I want to be a cheapskate if I can help it. Also I'm not in the US so it'll probably cost a bit more here. I'll look into these though. Thanks, anons.

>>59655605
Polaris isn't a rebrand.

And even if it was - lets just say it is for a moment, to simplify things for your simple little mind, why would you not just get the RX470 except for some stupid baseless ideological reason? They're as cheap as $110 sometimes.
Where are you seeing used 280s (which only have 3GB VRAM, and many games are using 3-3.5 now days) for that cheap?

The RX470 will save you a significant amount in electricity over a 280 for your poorfag ass.
But that's why you're so poor, you don't think. You don't think to factor in electricity costs. You don't think about what you're really buying.

>>59655656
If budget is $300 then get the $235 R9 Fury or stretch it a little to buy that $325 980Ti that's on sale at EVGA's website right now.

Since it sounds like you have a 1080p monitor, the R9 Fury sounds ideal. That'll play anything maxed at 60fps minimum super easy, and still have headroom for future games that use more power.
Since you're budget oriented, that's the best performance/$ like I said.
That 980Ti isn't far off from the performance/$, but sounds like far more than you need so it's just a waste.

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>>59655730
You have to remember people still think the 7970 is a rebrand of the 290x.

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>>59655386
>>59655296
>>59655283
>>59655279
>>59655276
>>59655190
>>59655184


Okay guys, taken everything you have said into consideration...
Is this any better?

>>59655511
or just get r7 1700

>>59655563
>1070 is overkill for 1080p
nice meme, in almost all new games both 1070 and 1080 either struggle or is just slightliy above 60 fps at 1080
1/2
>Nvidia
not even once, wait for vega

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>>59655813
fuck, forgot image
1/2

>>59655730
400 series is $200-300 in canuckbux, 270 and 280 are $60-100 used. Also never knew that the 400 series wasn't a rebrand so thanks for that.

>>59653520
that only matters for gpu cooling, retard
cpu cooling barely heats the case

>>59655826
that's obviously a poorly optimized outlier

>>59653722
with gpu cooling, always have the rads be pushing air out of the case
pulling air in is only acceptable with cpu cooling

>>59655772
couple things to keep in mind:

>make sure that ram is "amd optimised" or whatever they call it so that you can definitely reach 3200mhz with it.

>nice case an all but for that money you can get way better. maybe consider something from fractal design or phanteks. or maybe go for an inwin 909 for top tier aesthetics.

>get a corsair RMi or superflower leadex psu. I know i'm really pushing this but they are the best PSUs you can get right now. you won't go wrong.

>I still think you can find a better monitor for 599 aus, but maybe im just retarded

>>59655828
>>59655730
Also 460 is the cheapest at $115 CAD so that should save some electricity for me.
>captcha: calle dumfries

>>59655746
Well the 280X was a 7970 Ghz ed tweak and rebrand.

The 290 was not.

It was only the 300 series that was a rebrand (and the upcoming RX500-not-RXVega)

>>59655772
People seem to be having trouble with Corsair memory.
I'd get some 2800 CL14, or 3200 CL15-16, of another manufacturer.

Other than that, and I still think not just getting a 1TB SSD and forgetting the HDD is silly (especially when you're spending so much on that case, and your SSD is one of the components you'll keep the longest in a system), it looks fine.

>>59655826
>One terribly unoptimized game
>that still runs fine on a RX480 or 1050Ti if you turn down the settings.

Also what the fuck? The R9 Fury is doing worse than the 390X in that game. And the 980Ti significantly worse than the 1070. That's the first time I've seen bullshit like that.

>>59655829
lmao retard. Motherboards have VRMs, too. What do you think VRM stands for? It's an incredibly obvious acronym.

opinions on the evga supernova g2 750w?

>>59655876
it's fine

>>59655875
that has absolutely nothing to do with what I said
putting in more voltage in a cpu is still nothing heat wise compared to a stock clocked gpu

>>59655875

Also what the fuck? The R9 Fury is doing worse than the 390X in that game.
Vram bottleneck
>And the 980Ti significantly worse than the 1070. That's the first time I've seen bullshit like that.
Thats nvidia gimpworks for you(they way you are meant to be played).

>>59655867
The 460 is waaaay less powerful compared to the 470 than the 470 is compared to the 480.

460 is nearly laptop-tier.

32 CUs on the 480.
32 on the 470. (clocked lower)
14
>14
>14
14 on the 460.

>>59655876
Eh it's okay. Not the first choice I'd make but I can't bother looking for you.
I would usually go Seasonic, Silverstone, or Rosewill - or Corsair when it comes to high end (but not Corsair's low end. They're garbage now days).

People used to swear by EVGA's but their lower end has also gone way down like Corsair's. I hear the Supernova series is still fine, though.

If I had to get a new PSU, which I don't because this AX860i I got a long time ago is amazing, albeit overpowered, I'd get a fanless one.

>>59655901
No fucking shit? That guy has two AIOs, and was trying to get better thermals, so I reasonably assume he overclocks. Thus keeping VRMs cooler matters.

>>59655928
>Thats nvidia gimpworks for you(they way you are meant to be played).
makes sense.. But jesus. The 980Ti should be 20% better but instead it's 10% worse. That's some heavy gimping and fucking over of people who just last year bought a very expensive card.
What's the point in buying a 1070 or 1080Ti just because it's good now when they'll just gimp them next year?
>Vram bottleneck
Usually HBM performs like it's 50-100% more than it is. But I guess when you literally overfill it with assets and clog it up, it fucks up like that. But from what I saw, I thought that game still used under 4GB VRAM. They must be using some obscure settings to put it up higher?

>>59655826
As bad of horribly optimization this is, it makes it suddenly hard to recommend a 4GB RX480. May as well just get a cheaper RX470 if going 4GB and only go for 8GB models for the RX480.

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>>59655534
Exactly, and you'll be lucky to hit that
Only 59% hit 5.0 according to Silicon lottery
>>>59655772
That case at that price is a meme man.

>>59656132
>Only 59% hit 5.0 according to Silicon lottery
And keep in mind this was on $100+ water cooling

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>>59655982
I'm the guy with the dual aio. Do you really think vrm thermals are limiting me? If so I could definitely cool them better. It's just that I feel that I am voltage limited on the 6600k. I got it to 4.8ghz at 1.38 to 1.41 volts at 65c after a few hours of torture. I just want everything to be as optimal as possible even if I don't get anymore oc headroom. I paid for better than normal cooling, I want the best from it

>>59656234
just point a fan or two at the VRMs and see if it helps.

>>59655428
Yeah, I've never owned an Asrock product before Ryzen but the AB350 pro4 is great. From what I can tell it could very well be one of the best b350 boards out.

>>59651142
How do you get windows 10 enterprise LTSB?

>>59656234
I don't know. They COULD. I was just talking to that particular guy that was tying to say you weren't overclocking.

>>59656268
Really, almost all the B350 motherboards seem great. I haven't heard of any of them being bad, not even the Biostar, except for them not getting the frequent beta BIOS updates the X370s are getting.

And apparently there is an A320 now, MSI, but $75 eh.

Getting a new evga 1070 ftw acx 3.0 from kijiji for 500 canadian

Is the bios update enough to keep my house safe from fire? Is the free thermal pad absolutely vital?

Am not sure if it comes with the fix.

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>>59656587
you're already dead

PNY GeForce GTX 1070 $339 worth it?

>>59656677
Since the 980Ti that you can get for $325 that's supposed to be like 20% more powerful is being gimped by drivers and "gimpworks" so it magically performs worse than the 1070, yeah I guess so idk.

But have fun needing to replace it in a year when a driver update suddenly makes it worse than the GTX 1150.

>>59656715
Actually maybe I'm full of shit. Maybe the 1070 was always 10% faster than the 980Ti.
I thought the 1070 was supposed to be on par with the 980 non-Ti, but I guess I'm wrong.

>wanted to buy the 980ti -> the 1000series was announced
>wanted to buy the 1080 -> people saying ah just wait for the 1080ti
>the customs 1080ti will come in the next 2 weeks -> no more money because i can't handle my finances and spend everything on games, pizza and candy

Fuck. The next time i will buy right now when i have the money.

>>59656787
Just buy AMD and get performance improvements over time by drivers instead of gimped by nvidia because LMAO kikes

>>59656787
Just wait for the GTX 1170, it'll be 1080 ti performance for less.

Alright /g/entoomen.

My CPU is a Phenom II X4 965. GPU is GT 640 (shut up). I am going to obviously upgrade the GPU. I was thinking a 1050 Ti 4GB or an RX 470. I am leaning heavily toward the 470.

Any reason to go for the 1050 Ti over it? More reliable....? My buddy at uni (who I just spoke with) is a self-ascribed AMD fanboy and said to go for the AMD.

>>59656872
Go for the 1050 ti, it's faster, runs cooler and has better drivers. G-sync and shadowplay are pretty cool too.

>>59656872
RX470.

>no drivers is a meme, they're better than nvidia now
>you actually get performance increase over time with drivers unlike nvidia that will gimp your card
>better DX12 support
>better vulkan support
>freesync doesnt cost extra like gsync does

>>59656807
well hard to compare the rx480 or even r9 fury to the 1080Ti.

But wait for Vega is sound since it's only like 4-7 weeks away.

I still find it hilarious that AMD is going to launch the Ryzen 5s but so many people are basically going to be forced to buy 1070s or 1080s to utilize them well since they aren't exactly optimal to pair with a little RX480 that will heavily bottleneck them.

Someone really fucked up not getting Vega out by March.

>>59656872
No, the RX470 is simply better than the 1050Ti even in Nvidia optimized games.
The only reason to go 1050Ti was price, but RX470s keep going on sale for <$125, so that's no longer a reason.

>>59656940
>it's faster
Why do you lie?
>better drives
Why do you lie?
>overpriced monitors are great
Why do you lie?
>Shadowplay is something AMD doesn't have and is somehow superior to what AMD has despite sitting there using up 50MB in the background even when you don't use it
Why do you lie?

That's some fucking egregious shilling, mate.

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>>59656940
>1050 ti is faster than rx470
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH pic related
>better drivers
HAHAHAAHAHAHAHA gimped
>gsync
GOOD GOY PAY ANOTHER $100+ FOR SOFTWARE DRM
>shadowplay
AMD has ReLive or whatever that does the same thing.

>>59656942
>no drivers is a meme, they're better than nvidia now
Nice fucking meme.
>you actually get performance increase over time with drivers unlike nvidia that will gimp your card
Another awesome fucking meme
>better DX12 support
That about 5 games support?
>better vulkan support
That will be abandoned because literally nobody cares about it?
>freesync doesnt cost extra like gsync does
Bullshit.

>>59656942
Nvidia's DX12 support is decent now. Much better than before and almost closed the gap.

The rest of your post is true, though.

>>59656969
Lmao it's almost half a bad. And costs more. I knew it was worse since it's still worse even in Nvidia sponsored games, but I had no idea it was THAT much worse.

Also, what's with them not testing the R9 Fury?

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>>59656983
see >>59656969
>5 games now
not an argument
>freesync costs extra
hahahahah

>>59656969
>1050 faster than 470 and 1050 ti
?????

>>59656983
>That will be abandoned because literally nobody cares about it?
Lol.. almost every major studio is picking up Vulkan. Some even exclusively.

Mad Max Fury Road just got a Vulkan beta update that doubles the framerates on average over OpenGL on Linux. More than 3x in some cases. Same update is coming to Deus Ex soon and the developers other games.

Valve is pushing for it really hard because Linux games on Vulkan can actually run great, while the third party OpenGL ports are dog shit.

Star Citizen is exclusively Vulkan.

Valve is moving to Vulkan, not even touching DX12 either.

>Bullshit.
Freesync literally has no licensing fee or anything, which is common practice with AMD on top of them open sourcing so much. Like they just open sourced Anvil a few days ago (wrappers for Vulkan that make it easier to get started with like DX11/OpenGL)

You are such a clueless little shit. Why do you bother arguing with all these people that repeatedly prove you wrong?

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>>59657026
how retarded are you?

>>59657020
inb4
>BUT THE GSYNC ONE IS HIGHER HZ THEREFORE IT COSTS MORE

>>59656943
>>59656969
>>59656967
>>59656942
>>59656940
Alright thanks guys. Looks like it's pretty heavily stacked to 470.

There's a sale on it right now actually for $149.99 and if I do the mail-in rebate it'll be $119.99. Only problem is I'm almost completely broke so I might have to wait and it'll cost more then...

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Best website for sale notifications?

I'm building this sumbitch incrementally as things drop in price

>>59657081
You're getting a higher quality monitor anyways. Would you rather have a shitty 1080p TN freesync monitor or a 1440p 144hz IPS monitor?

>>59657094
sell your old gpu and eat rice, potatoes and frozen veggies for a week.

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>>59657094
>There's a sale on it right now actually for $149.99 and if I do the mail-in rebate it'll be $119.99.
Where?

>>59657134
newegg, brother. 4gb.

>>59657133
good point. its a ramen week.
how much could i get for a POS gt 640?

>>59657131
wrong. both in >>59657020 are IPS.

Gsync is a flat $100 more than Freesync no matter what. Go look yourself.

>>59657094
if you're a poorfag 960 is the thing, no freesync tho

>>59657149
this is the card im talking about btw https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814126124&cm_re=rx_470-_-14-126-124-_-Product


does newegg shill AMD? the tech guy linked it after i was asking about the 1050 ti

>>59657149
$10-30 maybe.

>>59657171
it's also 50% slower than a fucking 1050, so unless you get it for less than $60 its not worth it.

>>59657175
>does newegg shill AMD?
doubt it.
>the tech guy linked it after i was asking about the 1050 ti
wut

>>59657208
>it's also 50% slower than a 1050

from what I've seen they are about on par, with the 960 having the edge actually

>>59657171
>if youre a poorfag here buy this card thats more expensive and less optimized than the 470

>>59657094
>>59657134
There was actually an RX480 on sale for $150 plus Doom included (~$15 if you want it. If not you can sell it for that). But that was yesterday and it ended.

But that sale you see now for $120 is exactly what you should be looking for.
The cheapest it's ever been is $110. That's only $10 off. As long as it's not a PNY one.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814126124
Also if it's Newegg, you can get a $100 gift card and get a free $10 with Groupon.
If you use Ebates, you get another $19 back.
And then another 1% off Newegg using Ebates.
So that brings it to $90.
Can't beat that.

>>59657116
not sure... camelcamelcamel is only amazon.
I just check leddit /r/buildapcsales

>>59657208
>>59657223
Why get a 960 for $60 when you can get an RX470 for $90?

The RX470 is twice as fast as the 1050 for 50% more than that $60.

>>59657285
>that brings it to $90
holy shit what? ill literally buy it tonight if i can do that

>>59657275
>people still thinking of buying old generation cards brand new

>>59657304
>Why get a 960 for $60 when you can get an RX470 for $90?
that was my point,i said UNDER $60, you tard, learn to read.

>>59657285
>Groupon
Is the giftcard for groupon or for newegg?

>>59657310
Yes. No shit.
Ebates is actually really good as long as you can wait 3 months for the rebate check. I'm surprised more of /pcbg/ doesn't know of it.

If you go to groupon and google "newegg" you'll find they have gift cards with a 10% bonus.

If you use Ebates on Groupon, you get 9% back. So it's $91 for a $110 newegg gift card instead of $100.
Then Ebates gives you another $10 for your first time using it. If it's not your first time, then it'll end up being $100 not $90.
And using Ebates through Newegg is 1% off.

>>59657320
Ok it's still better to get an RX470 for $90-$120 or whatever than a 960 for $59.99.

>>59657275
>>59657304
>>59657320

cheap 960's fills the massive hole between 460 and 470

>>59656787
>he fell for the /wait/ meme

if you have the money at the moment and want to buy a pc part, buy it unless something better for your budget comes out the next few days. the performance will not really vastly improve and I doubt that what you want to buy today won't last you for years unless you want to buy something from 2009.

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Ay, does anyone here have a fan controller?

I'm gonna get three of Noctua's industrial 3000RPM fans, but I want to have them running at a lower speed.
I also know that my motherboard won't be able to handle them, so I need some sort of fan controller.

Any recommendations?

>>59651142

What case is that, OP?

>>59656787
>no more money because i can't handle my finances and spend everything on games, pizza and candy
Thats the bigger issue in all this, stop pissing away your money

>>59657354
It's a 10% promotional newegg giftcard that must be used within 90 days for Newegg that you buy through Groupon.

The main giftcard you buy does not expire.

You can, at most, get 2 $100, 2 $50, with a $10 and $5 each respectively. So as long as you use those $30 of giftcards (you can use multiple on one order) within 90 days, you can take your time with the other $300 of them.

And Ebates is this referral thing. You either follow a referral link through their portal, or you use their browser plugin. They get money for you using their referral and they pay you part of it so you just get free stacking discounts with other discounts.

>>59657360
There's no point in getting a RX460 either when the cheapest you can get one for is like $70, but the RX470 for $90-$100 is well worth the few bucks.

>>59657360
>massive hole
just wait 1 more month for your monthly allowance from your parents and buy the 470.

Does anyone have the MSI B350 Tomahawk? Does the BIOS update 1.2 fix automatic XMP? I can't test anything now, on away from my PC.

>>59657357
>do all of this and sell the GT 640 for $20 or $30 later and save even more money

What is the best motherboard and power supply for overclocking a 1700 + 480? What's the best 480 for this build?

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>>59657421
So I buy the $100 and $50 giftcards from groupon. Ebates gives me 1% off that purchase plus the $10 for signing up, and finally groupon gives me $15 in credit for newegg due to their promotion.

I buy the 470 for $150 and then do the mail in rebate when it arrives.

Suggest some budget 140mm air flow fans and 120mm SP fans? Must have PWM and be black, preferably no LEDs.
I know noctua is the best but $20 a fan is just too much. I need at least 2 120mm static pressures and 3 140mm air flow fans.

>>59657468
>What is the best motherboard and power supply for overclocking a 1700 + 480?
A motherboard that supports overclocking and a power supply that gives both enough juice dipshit.

Got my Ryzen build working but it's reporting 8gb of ram instead of 16gb. Haven't updated the bios yet, is that what the problem is?

>>59657514
take one out and test it in all 4 slots, then do the same for the other stick.

>>59657468
If you have the money, better use 1070 than the 480 with 1700. Get the ASRock x370

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>>59657468
>What is the best motherboard and power supply for overclocking a 1700 + 480?

>>59657479
yeah let me walk through this

>use Ebates to buy both groupons ($100 and $50)
>use groupon to buy newegg
>percentages stack up
>profit

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>>59657468
480s are pretty heavily thermal limited and the reference card has god tier power delivery. If you can get a reference card and get a good cooler on it you can get it to 1500mhz. This is harder to do than getting a 1060 to 2150mhz, every single 1060 can do that, but at least you're actually running into the limits of the 480 at 1500mhz not the bullshit artificial ones nvidia placed on the 1060.

If you do not want to be fucked replacing the cooler on a 480 the GTR and the Asus STRIX are the best performing models while the nitro is the best looking. If your build is gonna be SFF a blower card might be a consideration but they suxxxx otherwise.

If I had a buyer for my 980ti and 1060 right now I'd pick up the refrence 4gb 480, a NZXT G10, and a certified refurbished 240mm AIO from corsair.

I cannot speak as to the situation with ryzen motherboard, I'm sure someone else can though. Good luck, wish I had built this year instead of last.

>>59657514
What motherboard?
You might have a bad stick or a bad RAM slot. Test both single RAM sticks, then test again if you can see the two together.

>>59657535
Can I use the free 15$ from groupon ON the 470 or do they arrive later? Sale only lasts a week

>>59657556
no idea im the original guy asking about the 470.

i used groupon once but never ebates

>>59657421
Ryzen 5 1600 + cooler $194!
https://jet.com/product/RYZEN-5-1600-WITH-WRAITH-SPIRE/1a65b7124d1046f8931627194994a8ef

Looks like it's a mistake that might be corrected. Jet usually lists the new stuff at a higher price so after discount it ends up barely being cheaper than MSRP.

>>59657468
Any decent PSU is fine. A newer Rosewill or Seasonic, for example. Avoid the cheaper Corsair and EVGA.

For motherboard, a B350 Prime is good, Tomahawk, Mortar, really just get whichever B350 has 10 phase VRMs and looks prettiest to you. None of them seem to be bad and all seem capable of at least 1.4v which is more than you need.

Unless you're talking "I wanna' set OC records so my father loves me"

>What's the best 480 for this build?
I wouldn't buy the "best" RX480. The 5% performance increase isn't worth the 25% cost increase. I'd just get whichever decent 8GB one comes up on sale.

>>59657479
No Ebates gives you 9% on the Groupon purchase, 1% on Newegg.

So for $136.50 you get $165 of newegg giftcards. $126.50 if you factor in the first time purchase.
You buy the $150 RX470 with that, which is $148.50 with the other discount.
After spending $96.50 (minus rebates), you have $16.50 of newegg funbux left over with no expiration date on it assuming you use the promo gift cards first.

So actually it's $80, not $90, huh? Or did I mess up? idk. but it's a lot of savings and pretty simple.

Just I mean, keep in mind, it will take you a few months to get $55 of that back. Really you're spending about $150 then getting about $55 back.

Just
>sign up with ebates
>go through their link to groupon or download their plugin. login/signup to groupon
>buy newegg gift cards through groupon.
>use newegg gift cards for the $150-$30MIR RX470 (promo gift cards first)

>>59657556
>>59657579
They are not physical gift cards. You get a code through the website.

>>59657594
holy fucking shit Jet website is fucking garbage, wont load jack shit even when i enable all URLs in uMatrix.

also, wraith spire looks exactly like the fucking stock cooler, so fuck that basic shit.

>>59657594
>No Ebates gives you 9% on the Groupon purchase
As money or as "ebates credit"?

>>59657631
They mail you a check or they can paypal you it.

It takes up to 3 months to get the check, like I already said.

It's basically like automatic, no hassle mail-in-rebates without the mailing in shit.

Just google about it.

>>59657647
You said you're spending about $150 right away but isn't it really $136.50? That alone is worth it if you ask me

>>59657660
No. You're spending $150 but you will get about $30 back from Ebates after some time. Then another $30 back from the MIR on the card itself.

So you're getting $60 back after spending $150, and you have $16.50 of newegg gift card credit to spend later.

I mean it's worth it because it's fucking cheap as hell. $80 for a RX470 that's 50% better than a $150 1050Ti. But some people are so poor they can't wait for money back.

>>59657744
>$16.50 of newegg gift card credit to spend later.
Why not just use that on the 470 to drop it further?

>>59657768
... because you're getting $165 in gift cards and it costs $148.50 for the GPU before MIR.

pls stop wasting my time. No more dumb questions. Figure out the rest yourself.

>>59657799
I got it. Thanks. You've cut a huge chunk out of my budget and I'll be able to afford 16GB of RAM now rather than 8

The 8GB RX480 ROG Strix is also on sale for 5 days. That's one of the better models, I think?

Using the same deal to get the $120 down to $85 or whatever, the 8GB RX480 drops from $200 to like $150 or something like that.

Obviously you can do the same thing for a 1070 to get about $60 off, as well.

Just got fucked on ebay. I bought a 980ti hybrid and the pump started dying occasionally like a week after I left positive feedback. The guy who sold it to me probably didn't even know or realize. I'm hoping evga will do a cross-ship, because this sucks dick. Worse case I have to spend money on a new cooler for it which I do not want to do.

>>59657887
There's been some nice deals for DDR4 3000 and DDR4 3200 2x8GB for $90 and $100 lately, if you hadn't seen them.


Oh and also.. beware like using a spouse or friend's groupon to buy more. Groupon tracks where the requests are from and will terminate both if they're from the same computer.

But if you do have multiple connections+devices+accounts+people, you can buy more than just $330 of gift cards.

>>59657908
Should still be under warranty? Good luck on them transfering it. Hopefully the original seller never registered it.

any predictions for a 470 price drop in 3-4 months? i dont need it RIGHT now so im gonna wait on the huge meme deal because i am literally scraping by (im also in debt to my boxing coach and i dont like to spend even more money that should at first go to settling debts)

>>59657964

You don't need it EVER. It's a luxury item, get your life together

>>59657975
:)

>>59657964
Why is $85 not cheap enough for an RX470?

Did you seriously just skip the last 10 posts in the thread and just post a question minutes after it was just answered in detail?

>>59655826
what a shit game

>>59657932
They RMA'd my 1060 when I broke it 100% my fault I literally broke the fucking thing no invoice no questions asked. I'm just so pissed. I want a high quality GPU cooler that I can use on multiple cards in the future. I'm thinking about RMAing the 980ti and selling it and my 1060 and getting something else but it is just such a bad time to buy a gpu. The 1080 is built like a midranger and is priced way to high and the 980ti is only worth $300-350 right now so if I drop $700 on a 1080ti and then sell it next gen it'll only be worth $350. I could buy a 60 or 70 series card each gen, selling the old one, for far far less. I just wish there was a card on the market that I really want to buy, like 'holy shit yes that is worth it".

Considering just getting a nzxt g10 and a good reputation cooler. I have a corsair h60 from 2011 that still works fine to this day. Maybe I'll get a corsair AIO or something.

>>59657985
i cant wait 3 months because im a huge poorfag

>>59658057
I don't see how the 1080 is overpriced.
It's almost 2x the performance of the RX480. A little over twice the cost.

A few years ago, Nvidia used to have cards that were only 30% better, not 90% better, for over twice the cost.
This is the first time since the 7970 and 290X that you actually got reasonable performance/$ with the high end cards.

The only downside I see is the inevitable driver update and "gimpworks" crippling that'll happen to sell their next cards.

>>59658090
Lmao. Why it'll be a while before you can get one for close to $100 without mail in rebates and shit.

>>59651756
Just built a PC with an Asus motherboard. Hopefully no problems.

>>59658115
ill just take a solid sale. if the sale is the same as it is now in a few months then i'll gladly cough up my shekels

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>>59658115
I don't have evidence to debate you with I just personally feel it is overpriced. It's my opinion, once again no evidence. It's a cheap card to produce and I feel it should be priced down with the 1070. However sitting here thinking about the 11gbps upgraded models coming out soon makes me think the card is going to be on the market for a while. We know the 1160 is going to be roughly equal to the 1080 if it holds.

Anyway, what do you guys think about this thing? The rajintek morpheus II, it's $60 bucks, I'd get the black one and then spend $25 on a 2 pack of 120mm pwm fans. I want a cooler that I can use on my next card too.

I could then return my h105 to newegg and order a big air cooler, like the Phanteks ph-tc14 and use the extra $40 for better case fans.

I'd be going from 980ti hybrid/corsair h105 to full air cooling in a phanteks p400 case but at least I'll never ever have to worry about a pump breaking again.

>>59658209
I paid like $530 for my 7970 and $90 for a cooler.
That's more than most 1080s cost now.

And I have no regrets. That high end card I bought then still runs most games great.

I plan on doing the same with Vega if it is the least bit impressive. And I can totally get why people would get a 1080.

The 980 though? And especially the 780 before it? Now those were overpriced garbage.
And the 970, even worse. Not even a year after release it was running fucking awful on newer games. It runs worse in RE7 than a fucking RX460. Nvidia has this horrible problem with gimping their midrange cards in some seemingly benign way that doesn't become apparent until next year's games come out.

If I have a CPU that is supported by my mobo but requires new ver. of bios will it be possible at all to get to BIOS (to update it)?

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>>59658276
I really feel the same way you do about the 780 and 980 as I do about the 1080. It's just because it has no competition. Especially with where we are technology wise, we are about to see a complete and total overhaul of vram, hbm2 and those SSD attached to memory controller thing AMD is doing, along with being on the cusp of a new process from the pure play foundries. I just know that gen 2 vega and volta are going to be insane. 1080ti will be the 70 series perf on nvidia side.

The 1080 is a pretty small chip with gddr5x and we STILL do not have a bios editor because it's encrypted so you run into the voltage wall. Thats actually why I bought the 980ti over a 1070, I wanted to be able to fuck with the bios and it was fucking awesome but with the pump dying less than a week after I got it that's gone. If I could edit the bios of pascal I'd just cough it up for a 1080 11gbps when it drops.

So yeah what do you guys think? Return h105(+$105), buy rajintek morpheus 2($60), phanteks ph-tc14 in black for($65) and two fractal design venturi pressure fans ($30). So I'll be paying $55 out of pocket.

I'd be going from dual AIO to dual big air.
I'm concerned that the Phanteks ph400 isn't really a good air cooling case. The front panel only has 2 vents yet you can mount up to 3 140mm fans behind it, then you can mount 2 140mm fans up top, and a 120mm fan in the rear for exhaust. I don't even know if it's wide enough for a big air cooler.

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How did i do?

>>59658416
The 290X still shat on the 780. It had competition, but dumb people bought the 780 anyway.

The 980 wasn't bad. It's just that Pascal was a big leap forward over Maxwell is all.

>>59658421
Motherboard looks expensive, but I don't know euro prices. Otherwise build looks good.
I just know that'd be like.. $425 or less in the US.

>>59658386
>he bought kaby lake cpu and put it in a 100 chipset mobo without checking first

>>59658421
>buying 2 core CPU when even cheapest Ryzen will have 4
and get a gold rated psu

rest is fine

>>59658421
Fine I suppose, nothing I can pick apart outside of not waiting for the budget ryzen chips. Cores make chips age way better. I did a similar build but i3 6100/1060 6gb and I ended up replacing the 6100 with a 6600k a few months later because how bad it fucked my fps in most of my games. It was fine in AAA stuff but not WoW and Overwatch.
>>59658474
I'm saying the 1080 doesn't have any competition right now, I know the 780 had competition that's why the 780ti was so strong. Pascal was a big leap over maxwell but it was all in the process and just that was enough that they were able to completely lock out bios modding and people sitll bought them crazy. I'm suspecting that volta will be an even bigger leap than maxwell -> pascal was. I would kill to know more about vega right now.

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>>59658474
It would be easier if there wasn't such a plethora of mainboards and i don't know what to think of Micro ATX mainboards.

>>59658505
Well I mean.. I don't really think the 7970 or 290X had competition, either.

They were over 30% better than the GTX 580 and 680 at the time for the same relative cost. That's not competition.

Just because the 1080 doesn't have competition now doesn't make its price unfair. In fact, it's the best relative performance/$ Nvidia has ever priced their high end GPUs, like I said. That it has no competition is really pretty irrelevant here.

>>59658616
MicroATX just means you sacrifice some PCIe lanes and they're generally cheaper since they're smaller. No other downside.

Just see that it has the features you want. Given that you're not even using an NVMe, it's not like you need support for that, though most will have it.

I hate comparing motherboards for people, though. Too much effort. I know the ASRock Pro4 B350 equivolent is good so I imagine the B250 is probably nice. But that's not always true, because Gigabyte has some great AM4 boards but heir LGA1151 equivalents are often cheaped out and shit.

I don't really see how you could go wrong just getting that 2nd one, though, the MSI PRO-VH, unless its feature list is lacking something you need.

Rate my strictly personal stream recording PC.
CPU will be an R5 when they get released. I am also swapping out the case with my existing HTPC case.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LrjsBP

>>59658685
>pci-e lanes
no, slots.

When will I be able to replace my 290x?

Best mobo for i7 7700K?

Preferably with a lot of SATA and BIOS flashback/CMOS.

>>59658757
>cpu will be r5
then add that as a custom part instead of adding the fucking R7.
>only 2 ram slots on mobo
dont be a cheap nigger. spend another $5 for one with 4 dimm slots and get a RAM KIT instead of one single stick.
also you're fucking retarded if you get that slow as fuck RAM when literally every benchmark shows that Ryzen gets huge gains with fast ram, and especially when 3000Mhz RAM is only like $10 more

>>59658906
you can replace it whenever you want

>>59658930
>buying i7 this close to R5 launch
toppest of kikes

>>59658757
There's some really good deals on RAM the past few days. I've been seeing 3000mhz and 3200mhz 2x8GB kits for $100 or less.

2133mhz RAM is really going to gimp your performance, or did you already verify that that motherboard can achieve good clocks with that memory?

Also EVGA has a sale today on their website IIRC where you can get a PSU for cheap from their site.

There is also this 450W EVGA for $20 on newegg https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=17-438-082&utm_medium=Email&utm_source=GD032917&cm_mmc=EMC-GD032917-_-index-_-Item-_-17-438-082

Though I'd really recommend a Seasonic M12II which you can find for $40-$50
There was a really good Seasonic Gold for sale too.
$60, which is more, but it's a really good PSU and well worth it. https://www.amazon.com/SeaSonic-550-Watt-CrossFire-Certified-SSR-550RM/dp/B00918MEZG

>>59658895
ty for the correction. I mistyped that.

>>59658906
The high end Vega might be 3x more powerful.

The Vega they keep demoing is an underclocked, passively cooled, server card. The consumer one will be higher clocked.

>>59658949
Gosh I just want to play witcher 3 on ultra at about 90 fps. Hopefully Vega can do that.

>>59658948
An i7-7700k is still better than any Ryzen in gayman and single thread.

Some people simply don't mind spending twice as much for 15% better performance.

It's only people considering i3s and i5s that are unquestionably retarded since even the 1500X is better than the 7600k, let alone the 1600X, and both are cheaper. Much cheaper in the case of the 1500X.

>>59652834
I'm running a stable 4ghz with that board and cpu with a shitty chinese aio, you could probably go higher too. The board is great for what you paid.

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>>59658983
uhu

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>>59658983
why would you lie like that?

>>59658996
Those are just 6 games.

But maybe 10% is high, especially if you go by minimum frames.

Personally I'd choose the 1600X over the 7700k, but maybe people buying the 7700k are 100% positive it performs better in their games of choice and they just like spending more money.

>>59659016
Lie how?

That's 2 games out of a "test" with shitty methodology.

And even then I'm not sure if you're saying I overshot or undershot in saying the 7700k is only 10% better than the 1500X (or we can guess, as only the 1400X which was simulated at low ass clocks is on there). Based on that benchmarks, the minimum frame difference is only about 10% on average between those 2. So.. it seems I was spot on based on your own image, yet you're still calling me a liar.

>>59659016
Do you have a non thumbnail version of that?

I still have i7 7700K (was a gift so chill with ryzen), so I'd like to buy good mobo (with a lot of SATA and BIOS flashback/CMOS) for it, which is the best?

>>59659091
asrock taichi, masi tomahawk

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I'm actually on a tight budget so I might remove the monitor choice and just borrow from my brother. Is it good?

>>59658949
thanks for the info

>>59659349
Change your psu to 500w and please not Corsair. Do you have no other choice than Sapphire? I believe Gigabyte costs less than Sapphire, at least from where I am.

>>59659349
can you wait until summer for Ryzen 3?
kit of 2 sticks is better.
you can get an SSD with double the storage for $15 more.
if you can borrow a monitor do that.

>>59659349
the 470 is probably a bit over powered compared to the cpu

>>59651161
Why no ssd?

>>59651142
Do we know when amd will release the competitor for intels i3/i5 line?

>>59659525
R5 in 2 weeks. R3 this spring/summer.

Are we allowed to sell parts here?

>>59651142
lmao that fan

ugly as sin, nigger

>>59651264
Go back to whoever paid you and tell them you've failed.

>>59659251

ok thanks

>>59651701
Nobody has faster speeds than samsung

>>59659547
http://www.4chan.org/rules

i wouldnt trust any of you faggots

>>59659579
np, just make sure you double check the specs as i'm not sure they have dual bios/reset, but they both have plenty of SATA ports.

>>59659474
Why not Corsair? But okay thanks.

>>59659488
5 months? Maybe. But if I do that I would also need to change my motherboard, right?

By 2 sticks you mean 2 4gb ram?


Alright, thanks for the tips.

>>59659506
Would the cpu bottleneck the 470? So I should just wait for the r3 just like the other anon said?

>>59653411
I think someone would have to draw you a picture for you to understand this lmao

Radiator hot Make heat
Fan blow hot from Radiator inside
Make case stay hot

Make backwards
Radiator hot Make heat
Fan blow hot Radiator air outside case
Case cooler

>>59659474
>>59659734
Forgot to say that unfortunately Gigabyte 470 is out of stock. What's available is XFX Triple X, that Sapphire, and MSI Gaming X, all 4gb variant.

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>>59653844
>Linux
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>59659734
it wont be 5 months. ryzen 7 was released at the start of this month. ryzen 5 will be released in 2 weeks.

>But if I do that I would also need to change my motherboard, right
yeah you cant use AMD chipset with Intel CPU and vice versa.

>By 2 sticks you mean 2 4gb ram?
a kit of 2 sticks that totals whatever amount of ram you want.

>>59659826
Isn't r3 going to be released on august/late july? But I'll try looking at it once it comes out if I can hold out from buying.

Can you give me a reason why 2x4gb is better than 1x8gb? Workload?

>>59658685
What's your opinion on the ZALMAN T5 Black ATX Mini Tower case?

>>59659925
it wouldnt make sense to do that. it's probably the APU chips that will come that late.

>>59659826
Will ryzen 5 be budget?

>>59659959
I see, alright, thanks. I'll try waiting for r3 then.

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>>59660018

>>59660119
Old chart. I believe the R5's are coming in at $10 less and the 1600X has a boost of 4.00

>>59660119
Oh my. They're far from the 60$ the g4560 costs.

>>59660458
they're also 4 full cores instead of 2 + 2 threads and the G4560 wont last you long and be shit in modern games (framedrop galore)

>>59660458
The g4560 is also a dual core.

>>59660119

Unless you demand the highest clocks on the architecture (be it manual overclocking or factor clocks) the three best chips in the ryzen lineup are the 1700, 1500 and 1300 by FAR. The 1200x and 1100 are not as impressive simply because the IPC and clockspeed advantage Intel has on kabylake meaning the kaby lake i3's are pssibly the better choice, even with half the cores.

>>59660598
only if you exclusively run old programs that arent threaded.

>>59660598
1500X (top 4c/8, the chart is super outdated) comes with the Spire cooler instead of the smaller Stealth cooler as well as double the cache (16mb vs. 8mb). It's also only $20 more, making it the obvious choice.

>>59660688

Even then a piece of software is gonig to effectively thrash your L1 and L2 caches for the low end R3's to pull ahead.

How does hyperthreading even work? Black magic?
Why not make 2 cores and 16 threads?

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>>59660735

>How does hyperthreading even work?

A cpu's pipeline isn't fully saturated at all times - SMT (which is why hyperthreading is) is a design which lets the parts of the pipleline sitting idle actually do some work while the rest of the core is busy. As a technology it is entirely effeciency focused.

>Why not make 2 cores and 16 threads?

You still need a certain amount of hardware to keep all those threads fed - 2c/16t would cause most of those threads to stall as they fight over bandwidth, cache, etc etc. That said IBM does do 4-way SMT with their POWER chips but this has a huge amount of knock-on effects for chip design (its why POWER cores are immensely "wide" and a factor into why they drink electricity like americans inhale burgers).

Worth it?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PNY-GeForce-GTX-1070-DirectX-12-VCGGTX10708XGPB-OC-8GB-256-Bit-GDDR5-PCI-Express-/302082916354?customid=25e60fb214b711e788398e01733482750INT&pub=5574652453&campid=5335869999&afepn=5335869999&hash=item46558b8002%3Ag%3AqkgAAOSwOyJX4oaw&afepn=5335869999&rmvSB=true

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why isn't it showing any details about my RAM?

>>59661096
buggy chipset and bios and/or bad support in speccy (needs update).

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>>59653302
man that's 4gb version of 480