/wt/ watch thread

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>>59618323
>tfw no high-end quartz

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>1100 US DOLLARS

>>59618365
>paying full MSRP for any watch ever

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2 new targeted ads I hadn't seen before on facebook today

1/2

>>59618365
>MSRP

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>>59618374
2/2

>>59618383
>NORTHERN GERMANY
>NORTHERN GERMANY
>NORTHERN GERMANY
>NORTHERN GERMANY

>>59618414
Let me guess: ex-GDR commie shitler?

>>59618369
>>59618375
>grey market 800 US DOLLARS

>>59618383
Nice Daniel Wellington homage

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>>59618363

>tfw +/-0s

Dumb question, but do mechanical watches wind regardless of the direction that the weight spins? Or does it only store energy when the weight spins in a certain direction, either clockwise or counter clockwise?

>>59618663
Depends. Some movements have bi-directional winding, some have uni-directional.

>>59618663
Early ones may not have bidirectional winding. But with advances in gearing technologies we can synchronise outputs. So modern automatics have no problems.

>>59618692
There are modern movements with unidirectional winding too (like some of the miyotas).

>>59618678
Ah ok. I just have a Seiko 5.

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>>59618663
You mean automatics. And yeah, most have a reversing mechanism for the rotor so it winds either way. Some don't, most notably Miyotas.

See pic, the Miyota 8215 has an arrow on the rotor indicating the direction it winds.

>le destroyed $5000 rolex air king man is now reviewing cheapy watches

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EMlIWeouUw

>>59618715
Seiko has the magic lever system that offers bidirectional winding.

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>>59618365
>buying new

>>59619094
>let me just buy this watch with pitted steel from some guy's sweat or overpolished lugs
>pressure test? that will be $500 please and oh btw the crown tube is fucked, that will be another 8 months while I source a generic replacement on ebay, enjoy your new franken
>clean and lube? ok I'll just need to hold onto your watch for the next 8 weeks so I can charge you $180 for a sheep dip job and you won't know the difference you'll just have to trust me

The reason WIS have too many watches is they're always in the shop

Just buy an eco drive new from Joma Shop and be done with it

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Does anyone else find Patek's ad campaign extremely insulting?

>Yes consumer our trinket is so magical and valuable that your own life is meaningless to its grandeur

>>59619184
>your own life is meaningless
Well, it is

>>59619184
I think you have comprehension problems or are an atheist.

>>59619184
>I can't afford it so I'm going to be insulted on behalf of those who can
The point is to let new money feel like old money

Americans, Russians, Chinese, and other third worlders need a sense of aristocracy in their lives

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>>59618940
He's reviewing Komandirskies now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qcdkl_Ap7E

>mfw literally my face

>>59619184
>t. egomaniac NEET
All I got from my late grand pep pep is a Vostok, a Raketa and an LCD Roamer but I'm glad he didn't abuse them. On the other hand I found a destroyed Poljot too,

>>59619139
I agree becuase I could only justify buying watches new under 500.

Anything in the true luxury watch range I would only buy second hand. The $500-2000 brand new price range is garbage that isn't a lot better than sub 500 yet holds almost none of the prestige/craftsmanship

>inb4 muh nomos
Yeah but I don't like bauhaus

>>59619139
Why are you making up complete nonsense?

It's not that difficult to find a reliable watchmaker if you actually do a little research instead of going to some random jewelry store hack.

>>59619307
>muh WOSTEP
>muh AWCI
Good job, you just doubled the cost of your service. So you bought a $1100 watch for $500, paid another $400 because of some acronyms some guy name dropped, and you now have the privilege of owning a used watch that you waited an extra 3 months to wear, and it still has some guy's sweat pits all over the caseback unless you asked your reliable watchmaker to do a museum-grade polish job to keep the lugs crisp (oops that adds another month and $200)

Are you the guy who started the used audio gear thread?

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>>59619307
>jewelry store hack
I hope you don't mean watchmakers that do jewelry stores are hacks, anon.

>>59619356
>Continuing to make stuff up
My watchmaker's reputation is so good people send him vintage watches to work on from other countries. He charges $150 for a complete service and turns it around in a week.

It's important to do your own research online to find a watchmaker with a good reputation and to do your research into what you are buying and what condition its in when dealing with used watches.

Considering that people manage to buy used cars without any serious problems as long as they act prudently, I don't think it is rocket surgery to manage the same feat with watches.

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>>59619214
I can probably sell three of my watches to get to 20k and buy one of the more decent Pateks

I simply find them so outdatedly european and their brand dna is so unappealing

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>>59619184
Why you get triggered so easily?

>>59619555
>Sheens
>Condoms
Ha

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>>59619669
So why all the crud and oxidized gold and surface damage to stuff that's underneath crystals and casebacks?

It's like nearly every vintage watch ever was opened up front and back, and dragged through the streets.

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It's raining so I figured I'd wear a diver just in case

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>>59619530
Have you looked at the Calatravas or the blue Gondolo?

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>>59619699
In general, the answer is usually moisture getting inside the case and having decades to corrode the internals.

Even with vintage watches found in good condition the hands and date window frames appear to be especially prone to moisture damage. With most of the vintage Seikos I have the dials, indices and movements were in very good condition but the hands and day/date window frames always have some level of moisture damage to them.

>>59619738
That logo belongs on tobacco products.

>>59619909
I like it

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>>59619909
Holy shit, I never realized that until you mentioned it.

>>59619962
RIGHT?

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Is Tag Heuer really that bad? I mean I know they were quartz shitters of the 90s but I'm looking at their modern stuff now and I am liking it.

>>59620136
Like other major brands they have some nice watches and some not so nice watches. /g/ hates them because we're poor and because the only good watches are ugly ass Orients, rattly ass Vostoks, and muh snowflake spring drive that I would totally get if I didn't waste all my money on "gaming chairs"

>>59620136
most of their shit is cheap ronda quartz crap marked up to a thousand dollars. their build quality is shit. Well marketed normie tier garbo.
their "in house" chronograph movement is based of a seiko movement. You can do much better than tag at thier price range.

their 1/1000 sec toubillon chrono is really cool tho.

i kinda like the design of the aquaracer too.

Who's got $100k?

ebay.com/itm/292060170753

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>>59618383
Ooh here's another one, for free too what a deal!

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What does /g/ think of the Tag Heuer Formula 1? I got it as a gift.

>>59620599
This is either terrible bait or complete laziness in not wanting to read the last 5 posts of the thread. Either way try harder.

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I dont know the first thing about watches, but I love the idea of an Ulysse Nardin

>>59620618
Relax autismo. Just wanted opinions on that specific watch. Should I sell it then?

>>59620599
Looks good wear it in good health!

>>59620632
>let's make everything unnecessarily complicated because someone will pay for it
>look how cool this is! you need a 300 page manual just to be able to figure out what time it is, and if you wind it at the wrong time it has to go back to Switzerland for a $25,000 repair job
I hate watches like this

Just buy a Waveceptor and be done with it

Then again I'm on /g/ where intelligence is measured in how much time you spend ricing your desktop transparency with command line tools

>>59620669
>I hate haute horlogerie
>I'm a massive pleb who just wants a mall watch
>Yet I hang out in a WATCH THREAD shitposting because I literally have nothing better to do with my time whatsoever
>>>/r9k/

>>59620632
I can see the craftsmanship and engineering that went into this and all

but it's just needlessly complicating(ha) what is essentially a three hander watch. making it harder to service and prone to more failures.

It would've been better if the tacked on crap actually did something more than tell the time.

>>59620649
Was it not far too big for you anyways?

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>>59620704
Ulysse Nardin isn't haute horlogerie, it's a shitter brand.

Having a high price point does not make a watch good.

>>59620669
Shitty bait

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>>59620704
>I don't know the first thing about watches but this one looks unnecessarily complicated
>>WWOW COOL SUCH REFINED TASTE
>I know a lot about watches and having evaluated the state of the industry and dealt with too many finicky old mousetraps, I prefer one that keeps perfect time and doesn't go out of service for extended periods because of a bad design
>>PLEB GO BACK TO REBBIT REEEE

Go get yourself arrested in Thailand for murder, archie

>>59620760
>Having a high price point does not make a watch good.

Pic related?

>>59620771

Ulysse Nardin, particularly an atrocious one, is like the anti-Archie watch.

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>>59620782

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What are some watches/dials that spell "I'm a watch that takes timekeeping very seriously". Kinda like pic, serious, but not "minimalistic" like muh Bauhaus nu-male Homos Denzel Washington pupper poopoo.

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Hey guys, I am looking for my next shitter.

I am currently considering between the amphibia scuba dude and the rodina. If I get the scuba dude I will probably replace the bezel with one of the custom bezels they are selling on ebay. Will it be easy to get either watch serviced? Imagine that for the cost of servicing I am better off buying a whole new watch as a replacement.

I currently have a seiko sarb035 so I am leaning slightly towards the scuba dude.

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>>59620825
R A I L R O A D
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>>59620904
Yes thank you. Any automatic variant? If not then what's the ref number of this solar one?

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>>59620825
It's reliable and doesn't break when you look at it funny, so if someone sees you wearing this it means you hate watches and literally don't know SHIT about le haute horologie

>>59620930
SNE045

current ones are Solar there might be some vintage variants in mechanical

>>59620599

Its a nice watch, despite what the seiko loving autists are saying.

> come into a watch enthusiast thread
> people prefer a "simple" watch that "tells the time"
> Thread should be called poverty watch enthusiast thread
> Nothing wrong with Ulysse Nardin.

>>59620749
>I don't understand what haute horlogerie actually means
>But I'll spout a nonsense opinion anyway
Here is a hint: it is not a matter of brand image.

>>59620771
>I have no interest in the technology and engineering that goes into hand made watch movements
>I prefer boring mall watches
>But I hang out in a watch thread to shitpost
You need some hobbies m8.

>>59620951
Yeah, I don't even know why I even asked for an automatic in the first place when I'm looking for a "serious" timekeeper.

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>>59620868
Vostok.

You already have a dressy watch with white/cream face why get a second one of much worse quality and Chinese in top of that?
Vostoks are amazing, I wear my Amphibia when couch diving.

>>59620868
Get the scuba, as it's actually interesting. The Rodina is just a cheap fake in all but name.

>>59620974
You realize there have been essentially no significant advances in mechanical timekeeping since the 1930s? And yet you are here, defending "engineering" done for the sole purpose of making a watch more expensive to manufacture and maintain.

Not really into watches but I like looking at watch threads. What's the deal with divers? They seem way too chunky to be stylish and I can't see a use for the rotating outer ring.

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>>59620136
>Is Tag Heuer really that bad?
Their CEO seems to like them

>>59621011
Watch tards think a huge ass watch is stylish and pretending you're a 1950s navy seal makes you cool even though actual navy seals mostly use GShocks and shit like that

>>59621040
>wearing on the right
Yeh, that says it all.

>>59620989
Ah ok thanks.

Have you tried wearing the amphibia with a nato strap? Is it comfy or unwieldy or would it general not feel right?

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>>59620599
>>59620136

>>59620669
>>look how cool this is! you need a 300 page manual just to be able to figure out what time it is

I don't think anyone buys a 280k watch because they need to know the fucking time.

>>59621069

I used to but the 710 is kinda big for my bitch wrist, wearing a nato makes the case look taller and therefore visually bigger.

>>59620949
nice Grand Seiko homage

>>59621127
Grand Seiko is fine too as long as you get a quartz and not one of those stupid fucking Spring Drive shitters

>>59621011
Divers are as the name implies, designed to be used for diving, put under a lot of stress, made to resist impacts and otherwise harsh conditions, this tends to lend them to being made of stronger materials with more thoroughly applied finishes. They're more robust.

As per the Elapsed time bezel, it's something that you either get and find useful, or you can understand, but not see a function for it.
You simply crank it around, and wherever you set it to is your new "12 o'clock", a reference point that you can time minutes from. This is useful in real terms for things like, timing food in the oven, or breaks in work. Now, what this does is removes the need for you to remember "Right, I left at 20 past, I've got 45 minutes, so I need to be back at 5 past the hour"
and just leaves you with "I need to be back in 45 minutes".

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>>59621006
>essentially no significant advances in mechanical timekeeping since the 1930s
>Except for:
>Incabloc shock protection
>hacking
>automatic winding
>quick set for day and date wheels
>the automatic chronograph
>free sprung balances
>the co-axial escapement
>the multi-axial tourbillon
>vapour deposition parts construction (GS MEMS balance wheels)
>tripling of single-barrel power reserves
>instant day/date change at midnight
>85 years in materials engineering improvements
>constant force escapements
>many MANY complications
>too many more things to list

What did he mean by this?

>>59620164
Kek

>>59621151
>Using the term shitter while not having the slightest idea what it means.
Hello newfriend.

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Post lume

>>59621210
>all this ignorance
Pretty much everything on that list either happened in the 30s or earlier, or is irrelevant from the point of view of TIMEKEEPING (as opposed to making the watch more expensive)

>>59621210
>>essentially no significant advances in mechanical timekeeping since the 1930s
>>Except for:
>ETA
>Shitters
>Chinkshit
>ETA shitters in chinkshit cases
>Overpriced everything
>Spare parts restrictions
>Tag Huehue
>HOMOS
>Diplodocus Washington
Mmmm, so progressive

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>>59621275
Carnival tritium watch

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>>59621294
>Pretty much everything on that list either happened in the 30s or earlier, or is irrelevant from the point of view of TIMEKEEPING (as opposed to making the watch more expensive)
What did he mean by this?

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>>59621305

>>59621324
He thinks a watch is for telling the time instead of flexing on instagram.

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These threads are turning to shit because we are replying

>>59620136
Their really high-end stuff is sometimes cool. Most of what they do is overpriced and not of very good quality. They just want to sell watches, not actually make good watches.

>>59621324
I'm not going to waste time typing out a point by point analysis of your dumb ass wall of text. Shock protection predates the 1930s and was already becoming fairly common even on affordable watches in the 30s. Reliable automatic winding came out in the 1930s. Free sprung balances, tourbillons, and dumb ass complications do not make the watch more reliable or accurate. The single biggest advancement in horology in the last 200 years was elinvar/nivarox/etc, and that happened well before the 1930s. You are jacking off over stuff that was only added to watches to make them more expensive, ergo more "desirable" because it shows off your purchasing power, which, ironically, is an area in which you are very much lacking.

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yay or nay

>>59621342
Cheerleader effect in full force for those three

>>59621415
>chrono not in perfect 12 oclock position
REEEEE

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>>59621399

>>59621415
No

>>59621415
>>59621071

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Ordered this. It's my first automatic watch. I figured I'd change the strap, but I'm not sure if I should go for a NATO, a dressy cognac leather or a mesh strap.

Recommendations?

>>59621498
A cream colored perlon.

>>59621498
imo nato would make it look unnecessarily cheap looking and brown leather would make it possibly look like something it's not, unless you actually wear brown shoes to work

>>59621512
second

>>59621532
I do most days, that's why I was considering the mesh, as it would go with brown or black.

hi. Can someone recommend me a ebay shop where I could buy original casio f91w?

>>59621498
A regular honey brown leather strap

>>59621512
>>59621560
I'm not familiar with perlon straps, but google yields results saying it's nylon. I know NATO is nylon as well, but don't the broad woven strands of a perlon strap feel cheap?

>>59621631
The eulit ones certainly don't, I can't speak for other brands though.

>>59621631
>don't the broad woven strands of a perlon strap feel cheap?
>cheap
a match made in heaven

>>59621776
Why you gotta be like that man? Now you got me feeling bad.

>>59621498
Leather

>>59621896
Be glad that it's better value than a $250 tossit. Get one leather strap and one perlon or NATO, and enjoy the watch.

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>>59621305
ETA is swatch-only now and they're cracking down even on ETA parts. So essentially it's an inhouse manufacture movement only for their brands now. The argument ETA is generic is kinda outdated.

Chinese are actually becoming a great value proposition nowadays since Seiko is becoming greedier and taking note from predatory practices of white swissfaggots. $1000 tourbillon? Go Chinese.

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I really want that Seiko Ripley but it's fucking expensive. What other industrial, brutal looking watches are there that I might like?

>>59622291
every thread with this guy

>>59622291
>$1000 for a Chinese watch

This is maximum retardation.

>>59622292
TGV shilling made you to want that?

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>>59622292
I feel like Issey Miyake designs are fairly similar

>>59622361
WTF is TGV?

>>59622383
Awesome. I guess that perfectly fits the mould as it's a world renowned designer not just in watches. I'll check them out.

>>59622292
Further to this, what is /g/'s position on Braun watches?

>>59622535
The Horol B looks fresh

>>59622535
Shitters.

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I will probably get flamed by the poverty brahs. I am no expert on watches but I started looking into expensive watches when my brother in law gifted me this Oris Audi Sport limited watch.

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>>59620599
Tag F1 master race reporting in.

>>59620949
Nice SARB homage.

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>>59620930
There's also this Citizen.

>>59621011
watchtards like useless tech so even if you never get wet there's something cool about having your watch hermetically sealed.

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hi. Can someone recommend me a ebay shop where I could buy original casio f91w?

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>>59620868
Get one with a 710 case.

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>>59622579
40keks.jpg
>>59622291
Sure thing Li Xiang Hao
>>59623116
Post the real thing that render looks nasty
>>59623466
What country do you love in?
Most retailers sell it for the same price or cheaper online

>>59623403
The thing I love the most is when watchtards buy VINTAGE dive watches with leaky cases and bad gaskets, then they go "it's good because muh feelings"

>>59622344
Well why not? It's a fucking tourbillon.

>>59622291
senpai you can easily get a chinky tourbillon off ebay for 300 bucks

>>59624407
The cheaper chinkys are not real tourbillons though. They just expose the balance wheel to the face of the watch and call it a tourbillon.

>>59623264
Asian kids from the 90's called:
they want their watch back.

>>59624203
Russia

>>59623264
Because of these 90s and 00s shitters, Tag Heuer will NEVER be a respectable swiss brand.

>>59624455
i know the difference between an open balance and a tourbillon senpai.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SS-Skeleton-1-Min-Real-Flying-Tourbillon-watch-/361934382405?hash=item5444f86545:g:Ss0AAOSwWnFV-Nqo
ive seen shitters like this go for between 300 and 500. ofcourse the rest of the watch will be total dogshit, but you still got yourself a tourbillon to tinker with

any recommended watches between 100-200$ maybe?

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>>59624611
there is literally nothing wrong with being Asian kids from the 90s

>>59624787
Seiko and Orient

>>59624802
The 90's were comfy, but so much shit taste

>>59624932
>comfy
That's just autist for "I don't understand it but I think it's kewl"
>so much shit taste
You mean like 45mm dive watches everywhere? No I think you meant a different decade

>>59618323

Could anyone give me some advice on a Rolex I just inherited?

Stainless steel Pearl date-Time from like the early to mid 90s. Scratched up a bit from normal wear and tear but nothing too bad I would put it in 'fair' to 'good' realistically.

It has my grandpas initial engraved on the back... BUT I have the original packaging and all the paperwork for it.

What do you all think it is worth ballpark? Is it worth sending off to one of those mail based watch buyers or should I just take it to the shitty local pawn shop?

>>59625024
Pics?

>>59624986
>comfy
I kept my stuff in a pink fanny pack
>so much shit taste
pink fanny pack

enough said

>>59625024
don't sell your grandfather's watch imo

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>>59625086

Haven't taken any yet, and don't have it handy. it isn't pearl, it is Oyster also i just remembered. I think it is the same model as this picture but stainless steel insted of gold.

The box/model looks the same as this picture, sorry it is so small and shitty, it is the only one I could find with what is 100% sure the correct 90s box/paperwork.

>>59625024
advice:
don't sell it.
a beat-up vintage Rolex is a watch that might actually get you laid, depending on how ugly you are.
anyway, don't sell such a cherished family heirloom. and, if you don't cherish it you're also a faget
and post some fucking pics please

>>59625024
Pearl dials are out of fashion these days, get it swapped with a black carbon fiber pattern dial and have the case polished immediately. The caseback can be swapped to remove the initials which also reduce its value unless they are rare initials - preferably with a gold caseback which would increase the value. You may also want to add an aftermarket crystal with better magnification, since the old-style "cyclops" crystals are underwhelming and considered to be in poor taste.

With vintage watches it is all about keeping on top of the latest trends. Rolex especially. Keeping the old, 90s-style parts is basically a sign that you don't take care of your stuff.

>>59625165

Dead broke and I will 110% never wear it. ( Me/rest of the senpai kind of think it is ugly/gaudy, that is how I ended up with it, nobody else wanted it)

>>59618940
What happened, mind updating us who are not familiar with this incident?

>>59625233
Don't sell it, you dense fuck.

>>59622390
Train grande vitesse.

>>59625233
Fucking retarded idiot. Don't sell it.

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>tfw just use nylon and leather NATO bands because it's faster to change them

>>59625397
>>59625319

I am just supposed to hold onto it? For what purpose? I'm not some hoarder who keeps piles of stuff sitting around.

>>59625024
>>59625233
Don't sell your pep peps watch you stupid degenerate crackhead faggot.

>>59625440
Wow, you're a fucking dumb animal, get a vasectomy immediately, you're a dead end.

>>59625440
>grandather's Rolex
>piles of stuff

You cannot unsell it once it's done. Keep it for one year. If you still don't feel like keeping it, sell it.

>>59625233
The things I would do just to see my grandfather's watch.

>>59625233
Grab some pics.
if it's really that bad, we'll be the ones to tell you.

but otherwise an inherited watch is something to treasure. Even if it has the slightest sentimental value, keep it. Fuck, it's the only reason most people have TAGs.

What do you guys think, will there be a tourbillon affordability crisis in Switzerland? Chinks are making pretty decent tourbillons for ~$1000 now, and even Tag Heuer wants to make $15k one soon.

So I want to buy a nice, automatic watch. I am willing to spend between 1 & 2k. What brand do you guys recommend? I already have a few ¨classic¨ watches so I will probably want to go for something more ¨modern¨ now, eg a steel band and whatnot.

>>59622291
Where to buy this for 1k? Can only find it for $1200 but the warranty is shit there.

>>59625756
1-2k is a weird range.
Personally, I'd say get a nice great condition vintage, or just spend like 300-500 for a place holder decent watch, and save up for something in the 3000-5000 range.

>>59625756
Omega Seamaster automatic

>>59625227
top lel

>>59625831
Yeah I know its a weird range. My gf wants to give me a watch for my bday and says she is willing to spend something like this, thats why.

>>59625836
Thanks for the suggestion anon! Was already thinking about omega, like the design.

>>59625859
What about a used grand Seiko quartzer?

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One of the biggest reasons I want to have a really nice watch one day is to pass it onto someone I care about.
Fuck me, if it ends up with an ungrateful shithead like that Anon.

>>59625859
Does it have to be a surprise?
I say do some research and find a great condition vintage you like and get that.
Bulova Accutron 214, fucking cool watch, highly recommend.

>>59625955
No, doesnt need to be a surprise. All my other watches were new, not sure if I want a second-hand.

>>59625836
>Omega Seamaster automatic
where for between 1 - 2k ?

>>59626043
New ones at €2200, perhaps with some wiggle room.

If you don't want a used one, which are within budget, promise your girl that you'll cover the difference or buy her a nice purse or handbag.

>>59625986
>not sure if I want a second-hand
Well, that's up to you. Old watches, like 40+ years old, can offer something very different than a new watch.
Very different style and looks, different history (all American for instance), and some have some really interesting or classic movements.
Plus depending on the watch, you could be wearing a piece of horological history.
That's why I recommended the Accutron. The it was the first electronic watch and the most accurate wrist watch of it's timenand uses one of the most interesting movements ever made (tuning fork).

But if you're looking for something new and shiny, obviously buy new.
>>59626103
>you'll cover the difference
If not vintage, this is your best bet. Get something 3000+

>>59625756
ROLL AROUND IN
S A R B
A
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B R A S

>>59625836
I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Omega, is in fact, ETA/Omega, or as I've recently taken to calling it, ETA plus Omega. Omega is not a watch manufacturer unto itself, but rather another Swiss component of a fully functioning watch conglomerate made useful by the ETA movements, Chinese cases and vital dial components comprising a full watch as defined by COSC.
Many watch owners wear a modified version of an ETA movement every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the model of ETA movement which is widely used today is often called Omega, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically an ebauche, developed by the Swatch Group.
There really is an Omega, and these people are wearing it, but it is just a cosmetic part of the watch they wear. Omega is the brand: the advertising agency that determines the names and cosmetic designs of the watches. The design is an essential part of a watch, but useless by itself; it can only function when fitted with a completed movement. Omega is normally manufactured in combination with an ETA movement: the whole watch is basically an ebauche with Chinese parts added, or ETA/Omega. All the so-called Swiss watches are really distributions of ETA movements in Chinese cases!

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>>59626387
*cough*buyvintage*cough*

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>>59620868
Get one of the new Amphibian models with a steel bezel. If you ever need it serviced get a new movement for $30 and swap it out yourself.

>>59620868
Why not save up and get a nice watch?
I don't get you guys sometimes.

>>59626584
Quantity > Superfluous Quality

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>>59621275
SARB033

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>>59626629
you know that makes zero sense

>>59626127
> First electronic watch
No, that's the Hamilton electric. The 214 was the first tuning fork watch.

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>>59618365

>>59626387
Until not too long ago, Rolex used el primero ebauches.

And not all Omega movements are ETA. Heard about FP/Blancpain?

So who gives a damn?

>>59626714
whats wrong with using zenith movements other than not being inhouse (as if that does homos any good)

>>59626701
>Hamilton electric
Just looked, Hamilton '57. Accutron '60.
Huh, the more you know.
Man remember when Hamilton was good? I have 2 70 year old automatics, they're great.

>>59626766
What's wrong with using ETA movements? Same question

>>59626817
ETAs are inaccurate garbage that fall apart after not very long and sometimes literally break themselves
I've never heard of similar problems in vintage zenith movements

>>59626817
They're just really ehhhhh for the price.

>>59626817
They're shit

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>>59626659
After a few hundred bucks, how much extra quality are you actually getting? The quality to price ratio has to be the best around the $150-500 range. I'm really not trying to be the /g/ weeb seiko fanboy, but really, how much extra quality do you actually get from a $5000 piece compared to a $300 SARB?

Once you've got a reliable movement, good finishing, sapphire, solid end links, what else is there to improve on? Even better finishing? Is that worth thousands of dollars?

At what point are you literally paying for the name? Genuine question

>>59626834
>I don't know what I'm talking about: the post
>>59626817
they're common therefore they're bad

>>59626950
I need a proprietary escapement that does the exact same thing as an ETA or Seiko escapement because MUH CRAFTSMANSHIP

the more it costs to fix when something goes wrong, the better

t. average retard in this thread

>>59626779
Well partly they were decimated by the quartz crisis after putting a ton of resources into the electric.

Electric watches (with balance wheel) suck. They're fragile and a pain to service. There's a reason I've never seen an elnix on this board despite all the Seiko love.

>>59627061
One anon does have a cosmotron though

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>>59626779
Those old 'electric' watches still had a balance wheel & pallet fork escapement.

If you want to be precise, the accutron was the first truly electronic movement.

>>59627102
>First truly electronic
What does this even mean? The Accutron has a battery and electromagnet - so do electric watches.

>>59627098
Ah nice

>>59627168
Meaning it doesn't use a mechanical escapement.

>>59627255
Fine, though to be honest the index wheel on a 214 isn't super different - a more meaningful distinction might be when watches moved to using stepper motors.

>>59620825
>What are some watches/dials that spell "I'm a watch that takes timekeeping very seriously". Kinda like pic, serious, but not "minimalistic"

flieger B

>>59625024

Keep it, you stupid shit.

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>>59627278
I'd say it's quite different from a swiss lever escapement.

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Thoughts on the Orient FET0T002B0

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Thoughts on IWC mark XVIII?

>>59627431

The day-night indicator is crass. Get one with a 24-hour hand or get something with a moonphase, not this weird in-between shit.

>>59627433
Why is it so expensive?

>>59627345
In appearance maybe, but the underlying principle is still very similar.

>>59627534
In the most basic sense of "jewels push along a geared wheel", I guess.

>>59627433
Plus:
It's the nicest basic flieger you can get, in terms of case and dial finishing
Chronometer accuracy
Everything you should expect from a flieger: screw-down crown, hacking, (somewhat) antimagnetic
Around 11mm thick

Minus:
Date window
Powered by a 2892A2
Price

LPP has the nicest dial colour, but the black or the white one have a less intrusive date window.

>>59627813
>non-diver
>screw-down crown

>>59627813
>Minus:
>Powered by a 2892A2

I'm not sure how that's a minus. It's certainly better than the ETA 2824 at least.

>>59627838
I don't particularly mind it, as the accuracy is great on mine (+1s/day on average), and it's easy and cheap to service. However, the power reserve of 48h could be better.

>>59627972
>48h
make that 42h

>>59620669
If you can't read the time on it, you may be retard.

>>59620632
They've made some really cool stuff. Imagine if some of their lower end current stuff was a little smaller and not so... Russian mafia-esque.

>>59619184
>How to be offended, tumblr-level.

>>59627433
A Sinn 856 is $1,870. The IWC Marx XVIII is $3,950. They have the same movement, and the SInn has tegimenting and dehummidification technology.

Buying the IWC is just giving the Richemont Group $2,000 extra in return for literally nothing. They just get to put a free $2k in their pocket and laugh at you.

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What type of seiko is this? Any good? The add claims that it's a 7005- 8022 cal.

>>59626714
Gee, I wonder what the difference between a Zenith El Primero ebauche and the majority of ETA movements is? Oh yeah, quality. Aside from the 2892-A2 and its variants, most current production ETA movements are not particularly great and absolutely do not belong in watches priced over $1,000.

>>59626953
They aren't bad because their common. They are bad because most of their movements are utterly mediocre. Plus Omega's implementation of the co-axial escapement turned out to be a completely marketing driven meme that failed in ANY of its design goals. Plus Omega was one of the greatest series production movement designers of all time before they were gutted by the Swatch Group.

>>59628244
Apparently the movement in it is the predecessor to the 7S26:

https://www.watch-wiki.net/index.php?title=Seiko_7000

Nothing amazing, in other words.

>>59628158
>Sinn vs IWC
Compare them side by side, and you will see the difference. Completely different look and finish.
Worth it? Up to you.

If you want a robust watch with good value for money - buy a G-shock.

>>59626975
>when something goes wrong
Just how frequently do you think escapements fail? As long as the movement was designed properly, it should be exceedingly rare to need escapement parts.

And God forbid people should enjoy some variety in their options for movements, or that production watchmakers should have to consider actually having to invest in improving the engineering of their production movements rather than continuing to coast off movements designed in the 1970s.

>>59628365
Are you seriously trying to suggest that the case finishing on the IWC is $2,000 better than the Sinn? Because that's an utterly ridiculous claim.

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So pumped, just scored this weekender Chrono for $10 thanks to a pricing error at Target

>>59628450
That is stealing. Return the watch.

>>59628486

LOL, no worries. It's only Target.

>>59628391
It's noticeably better, but it costs a lot more.

The difference in prices do not matter for the quality comparison. If we wanted good mechanicals that gave the best VFM, we would all wear SARBs, Orients and Seiko 5s.

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Are Accutron II's any good?

>>59625024
A. Keep it
B. Sell it to me for tree fiddy

>>59628527
Feel free to elaborate on the specifics of how the finishing is better. I've handled a Sinn 856 in person and the finishing on the case, dial and hands was quite spectacular.

>>59628366
>And God forbid people should enjoy some variety in their options for movements, or that production watchmakers should have to consider actually having to invest in improving the engineering of their production movements rather than continuing to coast off movements designed in the 1970s

I'm all for having variety but what's actually improving, though? Accuracy and service intervals are still the same.

>>59628580
Not really. Either get a Bulova precisionist or a real accutron

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>>59628486
Not my fault they put the clearance sticker on the wrong watch. Cashier didn't even question it. it rang up for the full $60, but she saw the sticker and changed it.
This is the watch that was supposed to be have the sticker

>>59628650
Where to get Accutron serviced?

>>59628704

You hire a piano tuner.

>>59628644
As far as accuracy goes only the ETA 2892-A2 is anything special, and sadly it isn't used in too many watches that aren't hilariously overpriced.

Competition in the production movements segment is precisely what is needed to incentivize makers to start investing in functionally improving series produced movements, which have been too stagnant since the 1970s.

In any case, there is nothing wrong with ETA movements per se as long as the watches they are used in are priced reasonably. It's this that is usually the crux of the complaints against them.

>>59628704
A lot of research. It's a fucking pain in the ass to find a guy.
Mines out right now, guy is taking forever. I'm not feeling great.

>>59628606
Now you're shitting me. Look at them both in person and see the difference.

Can someone recommend a $0-100 watch with a black case and leather strap please

>>59629138
>leather strap
just buy the watch you like can change the strap.
strap, max 15
replacing it at a store, max 10

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>>59629138
be really careful looking for a black case in that price range - you will almost certainly end up with a plated case that will flake/rub off at the slightest touch leaving your case looking awful. You should probably shoot for a black plastic/resin case if your heart is set on black.

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>>59629138
Timex has a few watches in their Fairfield and Expedition lines with black cases and leather straps. they seem to have decent reviews but like >>59629253 said most watches in that price range aren't the best, but Timex certainly does cases better than most fashion brands so i'd be optimistic.

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Seagull or Accutron?

>>59629388
Accutron for QC reasons

>>59629388
>Cheap Chinese shit or cheap Jap quartz shit with more interesting heritage.

Are there any good looking G-Shocks that won't make me look like a virgin loser?

>>59628975
That's a no then.

>>59629823
No.

>>59629823
The watch isn't what's making you look like a virgin loser

>>59629823
I'm afraid not

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Black perlon y/n?

>>59630282
On an unrelated note I wonder if the anon who mentioned they look at the background in pictures has developed a profile for me yet

>>59629413
Are you sure you know what an Accutron is?

>>59630282
Sure

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>>59629138

What are some cool Russian or USSR era watches in a reasonable price range ($200)

>>59618635
>mechanical
>+/- 0 s
pick one

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>muh seiko

>>59631248
That's a 9F quartz GS, nigga.

That and it's not like it's unheard of for a mechanical to be adjusted to be comparably accurate to a quartz.

My rotor seems to be scraping the inside of the case or the top (bottom?) of the movement. If I put the case on its side, and tilt, I can see the rotor tilt (exhibition back). Is this going to be an issue?

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Why aren't 24 hour watches more popular?

>>59631839
because there's only 12h a day, 12h a night :<

I carry a crusty, old, wind-up pocket watch that loses a couple minutes every day.

>>59629823
GWM5610BB-1

>>59631839
nobody was forced to know what time they're looking at from a glance on a 24h analog as a child

>>59624625
Can you get amazon there? There are some german sellers with them, cost about 15-20 euros delivered though

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>>59628527
>If we wanted good mechanicals that gave the best VFM, we would all wear SARBs, Orients and Seiko 5s.

>>59619203
Only an idiot wouldn't be.

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>>59620632
>shaved arm hair

>>59630282
Looks good

>>59620818
Pic related.

>>59620632
>not an erotica repeater
absolute shitter

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Rate my vintage golden shitter, lads

>>59620825
>muh Bauhaus
Well that's pretty much what you're asking for though.

Check those watches you seem to hate: https://www.reddit.com/r/Watches/comments/1w6kpn/summary_of_bauhaus_style_watches/

>>59632944
What woofs you anon, that he forgot SKXs?

>day/date/daydate windows

is there anything worse?

>>59634231
>subdials
>hands
>indices
>dials
>movements

>>59634273
now that's just silly

>>59634273
>watches

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>>59634211
No, you're dumb. Bauhaus is a style, I'm asking for something that is "without style". I want something that's like a wrist-worn master clock.

>>59634427
>I'm asking for something that is "without style"

No such thing. Even the dials in your pic have a definite style to them.

Otherwise, I'm sure there's some timex that looks like the dial on that seiko box.

>>59634449
That's why it's in quotes, dumdum. Are you one of those people with real aspergers?

>>59634427
just strap a wallclock to your cock and be done with it

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>>59620825
>What are some watches/dials that spell "I'm a watch that takes timekeeping very seriously"
*Any decent flieger (available with white dials, if you want that)
*Omega Railmaster
*Vintage Rolex Explorer
*Vintage WWII watches, various manufactures

>>59624367
tourbillons are literally engineering masturbation.

their entire purpose is to spend an exorbitant amount of cash on a fancy complication. Its intricacy and utility are second to its cost and status

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>>59634471
Where do you think you are?

>>59634537
This guy 3D printed and built a tourbillion at home:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go8woPGOggg
It's definitely a money grab by the mountain merchants.

>>59634566
Now make it 15x smaller, not made out of plastic, and have good accuracy. Even chink tourbillons aren't all that cheap.

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>>59620825
The new seiko chariot reissues.

>>59634619
Hey, alright. Price?

>>59634225
No maybe I missed the sarcasm but I thought he was implying we DON'T all wear SARBs, orients and seiko 5s

>>59634645
Mid $400 range.

You could always just get a timex weekender or some cheap casio.

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>>59634645
>>59634664

>>59634684
Already have it because muh good and evil Casio (Pope and Osama). It looks too cheap to LARP as a wrist master clock.

>>59618365

I love dive watches with no crown guards. It's my only complaint with ray ii. I have big thumbs so the guard makes winding the watch a bit difficult.

>>59634653
No sarcasm of any kind.

My intention was to show value-for-money is not an argument for choosing a $2k Sinn over a $4k IWC. Because if you go by value for money, you will do better by picking a SARB than either a Sinn or IWC.

Damn, I want a a SARB now.

>>59634427
>I'm asking for something that is "without style".

This is even more disgusting than Bauhaus trash.

>>59634702
How much are you willing to spend?

>>59634760
Don't know. Like SARB money at max. I'm just exploring the possibilities right now. I'm looking at Braun's site, but I suspect the internals are dogshit. Their desk clocks look nice though.

>>59635059
gb2 >>>/fa/ ggot

>>59635193
Yes, yes, you fit in, you can stop now.

>>59634721
You are wrong. The Sinn is priced reasonably fairly for the movement, finishing ND technology.

The IWC is priced $2,000 higher because it's a pleb-catcher designed to attract noveau riche businessmen with large, colorful, bold designs and cringe inducing advertising and separate them from their cash before they know any better. Modern IWC is basically Panerai, and should be treated with a similar amount of contempt.

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>>59620825
The real historical answer to this question is formal sports watches with baton indices and dauphine hands (Rolex datejust, 1970s Omega Seamaster, 1970s King Seiko, Grand Seiko etc).

This is because this style of watch tended to get the most inherently accurate production movements (Rolex 3035, 3135, and now 3255, Omega 56x/75x, ETA 2892-A2, Seiko 4500, 6200, 5200, 4s15, modern GS movements).

>>59634537
The real reason that they are mostly engineering wank is that you are already well into the region of strongly diminishing returns. Conventional semi-production autos were capable of +/- 2s a day accuracy in the 1970s (Grand Seiko VFA models) using totally conventional movement designs.

This means that tourbillons, free sprung balances, constant force escapements, etc all require large investments to chase very small improvements.

But there are measurable improvements from a one axis tourbillon, and more from bi-axial tourbillons, even if the cost to benefit ratio is silly.

>>59618365
When's the release?

>>59635921
>>59635921

>>59635721
which is essentially the point I was trying to make. To get incredible multipositional accuracy beyond what is available for 10k or so, it takes a lot of effort and that effort in switzerland by swiss engineers and workers gets genuinely expensive

to turn a profit on these inflated toys, the end user eats the cost plus another substancial margin, and very likely doesn't care about the gain in performance, rather cares about the cost itself and the status it conveys

in some cases their priority is genuinely in the mechanical prowess of the design

it is exceedingly unlikely they care about miniscule performance increases over vastly cheaper competition.

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>>59629823

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>>59634427
Timex Easy Reader.