/wt/ watch thread

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>1100USD for nuSeiko divers

I'm still pissed

How common is the 7S26 movement from seiko?

>>59576405
Get a Mako USA II

>>59576405
Honestly that pricing is nonsensical for 6r15 powered models with rubber straps. The titanium cased, titanium bracelet 6r15 powered Shogun is cheaper. That makes no sense at all.

>>59576405
>1100USD
Where are you getting this number?

Arizona finetime is offering pre-orders on SPB053 for 800 dollars and they're generally never the cheapest option.

>>59576500
https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/the-seiko-prospex-diver-sla017-based-on-the-first-seiko-diver-6217-from-1965-and-the-prospex-diver-s

that's for the rubber bracelet. MSRP is $971. black metal bracelet is $1100

both still absurd pricing

>>59576526
>MSRP

>>59576526
Pre-order thru az finetime still isn't 1100. If you pay MSRP you're fucked.

>>59576538
>>59576543
the point is it's still going to be in 800-1000 range no matter what when feature wise it should cost 400

>>59576558
Go work at McDonald's for a couple weeks

>>59576405
You would be so upset at the GS spring drive divers

>>59576558
>800-1000
That's what AZ finetime is offering and they're an expensive AD.


SKX173 on amazon right now = 220
SKX173 on AZfine right now = 315

That's like over a 40% increase in price over amazon.

>>59576412
Incredibly common.

>>59576412
It's in nearly every 5

Anyone know anything about this watch? I found it going through a chest me and my dad found at her old house that somehow got passed over when she died. She died in 1973, so it hasn't been touched since at least then, and the strap looks kinda newer than the face, but my grandma says she thinks she remembers her wearing it as a little girl, which would be the late 40s/early 50s.

All it says is "elba" on the front and nothing on the back, and I'd rather not open it up if I don't have to. It needs to be winded up and still works perfectly, so I'd rather not risk wrecking it. Pic related, the watch

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>>59576785
The picture didn't post for some reason

>>59576526
>bracelet MSRP 1100

SBBN035 is MRSP similar to that (129k JPY = 1160USD)

You can get that from 860 from seiya.

So I would expect the range to look more like 600-800, not 800-1000. So more like SAR* <-> SDGM range of price.

Keep in mind, depending how many people are excited to get their hands on one when it comes out, the prices may be slightly inflated on release, compared to where they may be months after release.

And I would put money on being able to getting a decent little discount on a good conditioned used one a few months after release. Inevitably someone will want/need to sell with only having worn the watch very little. These aren't limited like the 8L one.

I think maybe I will order a replacement Mako II. I checked out the Mako II USA and I like the end links and crystal better, but the dial and bezel are much worse in my opinion and I would not spend twice as much to have to put up with them.

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It really needs a new strap but I like it so far

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What were they thinking?

>>59577984

They are advertising the Grand Seiko. They would like people to purchase them.

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Can someone post that brand guide picture again, please?

>>59578200
>casio: derrorisd Xddd
>seiko: mustard race folded 1000 times, worth almost 30 dollars secondhand
>vostok: Хopoшиe дaйвepы Cyкa Блять
>sinn: JUST
>timex: timex

>>59577984
>curved lugs
>that bracelet
We wuz speedmasters an shieet

>>59579255
are you retarded?

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>>59579365
If you don't see the likeness, I fear you may be

>>59579422
lugs are similar, but not the same. Speedmasters have a full taper.

best explorer 1016 homage?

Obviously, if I had money for the rolex, I wouldn't be asking this question.

Was thinking of the Smiths prs-25, but its a big watch compared to the og. Its like 40mm in diameter and almost 50mm lug to lug. Not really digging those measurements.

>>59579814
Seiko with aftermarket dial

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Sup faggots

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>>59579365
Dude, leave it to /g/ to say that curved lugs and an oyster bracelet is somehow speedmaster specific qualities.

Now if only Omega could manage either of them as well as Seiko.

>>59577984
>not removing the ugly power reserve
>inelegant SPRING DRIVE font

which strapcode is the actual website?
http://test1.miltat.com/
or
http://www.strapcode.com/store/index.php

>>59580261
>One has a subdomain called "test1"
>The other has "Welcome to Nginx!" as the title of every page

They both look like beta sites to me.

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snk109 daily plug

>>59579830
i contemplated this idea, but the 7s26 movement is not appealing to me. Need hacking + hand winding.

>>59579854
Don't you just cringe when you bang your wrist on something and see a nice scratch on the bezel of your watch?

*buys all the Seiko 5s in the world along with Seiko 5 patents and production capability*

>>59581195
>Seiko releases brand new movement and the Seiko 6 line

>>59579854

Your bezel is off by one click.

You guys might find this interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPS7aNCAwAA

>>59580624
If I don't wear the Seiko 5's for a week at a time and it runs out of reserve power, do I simply wind it up again? The amazon reviews seem to indicate a recent QC problem. Think they're still good to go?

Any other solid watch suggestions under $50?

>>59581444
What is perspective

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ok my fellow negroes, buying 10x NATO straps from aliexpress
which are the most essential colors?

>>59582180
Also, has anyone here purchased an aliex/ebay fine or heavy mesh band? thinking about picking up a few

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>>59582180
How dangerously do you live?

>>59582178

The word you're looking for is "parallax error". But your bezel is off by one click.

>>59582180

1, 4, 5, 9, 11, 49, 25

>>59582217
depends on the day I guess
sometimes it's
>the nicest guy you'll ever meet
other days it's
>twisted psychopath

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>>59582028
>If I don't wear the Seiko 5's for a week at a time and it runs out of reserve power, do I simply wind it up again? The amazon reviews seem to indicate a recent QC problem. Think they're still good to go?

I got mine on March 9. No issues to report. Mine loses about 30s per week of time, so for the price I'm pretty damn happy with it.

>>59582028
And you cant wind this model. It has a 42hr power reserve if you don't have it on your wrist.

>>59582240
>no 23, 46, 48, 60, 64

>>59582256
>Mine loses about 30s per week of time,
Jesus christ, my casios lose 4 seconds a month. Is 30 seconds a week normal for automatics?

>>59582263
So basically if I rotate through my watches, or don't wear it for a week, I have to spaz out and shake it to wind it up?

>>59582230
That's a 60 click bezel, not a 120 click. Were it off by one click, the pip would be on the 59 fully, and it seems to be in between. You are experiencing a parallax error.

>>59582284

Then the bezel is attached crooked. You can follow the lines down. There is no parallax error.

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Can someone explain the appeal of mechanicals? You all seem like cucks honestly. Mechanicucks. Mech-ucks for short.
>loses tons of time
>more expensive for no reason
>have to have it serviced (which none of you do) which costs thousands of dollars over your lifetime if you have more than one watch
Is there an answer other than "it's a work of art"? Are mechanicals truly the lensless glasses + fedora of the watch world?
>m-muh authenticity
>y-you're just a pleb...!

>>59582270
I think so. Unless you spend thousands on one. Its a reality of owning a mechanical device.

>>59582254
Then get some conservative mute / cool colors and others that are louder.
>>59582295
Anon I'm staring at the motherfucker, believe me it's fine.

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https://imgur.com/a/6CNO8

>>59582312
>costs thousands of dollars

This is what smartwatch shills actually believe.

>>59582341
>over the course of your life
pay up or give the watch to someone who will take care of it, pleb

>>59582283
Yup! But I bought this watch with the intention of it being my main watch so that doesn't affect me.

>>59582359
>pleb

So, you picked up from context that this is a pejorative, but have no idea what it means?

>>59582364
Guess I'm sticking with Quartz then. I can't be assed to be constantly maintaining a piece of jewelry.

>>59582312
All watches are works of art that appeal to different people. Personally, i cant stand the ticking of quartz as it seems so basic. To the majority of people spending 5k on a watch, they wont want it to have the same ticking aesthetic of a $10 Casio. They want something that moves smoothly, something that visually seems more quality and will amaze them every time they stop to look at the time.

>>59582312
I didn't buy it specifically because it is mechanical. I bought it because I liked the way it looked and I wanted it to not run out of batteries. There is also a similar priced citizen eco drive watch I was looking at, yes it would keep time much better, but appearance wise it lost out for me.

>>59582180
can u post link here?

I hate watches. I hate that I have to buy a rolex or omega or patek to blend in with the other richfags

>>59582335
this isn't as clever as you think it is

>>59582523
he's not the OP of that album

>>59582180
I'm gonna get a hot pink one for my terrorist.

>>59582497
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Wholesale-10PCS-Lot-18-mm-Watchband-MultiColor-Nato-Strap-Watch-Band-18mm-Waterproof-Watch-Strap/32398217950.html

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How do I justify getting a grand seiko instead of one of the other swiss brands?

Lets say we are comparing something with the typical automatic movement and a date display (like the grand seiko 9s65). How does it compare to say:

a) generic swatch owned brand with a generic ETA
b) Tudor
c) Rolex
d) JLC
e) the big 3, Audemars, Patek or VC

How do I compare them? What would I look out for?

1) Finishing
2) Reliability
3) Toughness
4) Ease of servicing?
5) Marketing??
6) History???
7) other stuff????

For all the criticisms about how common the ETA or rolex movements are I can imagine that getting them serviced would be easier and cheaper.

>>59582180
>which are the most essential colors?
What does it even matter? Those straps are shite and will look like shit after mere days of having worn them.

Good NATO straps aren't even that expensive, you're merely saving $2 only to miss on perfect quality and get garbage instead.

>>59582930
Depends how hard Rolex keeps fighting to fuck over independent servicers. That goes for the entire Swiss watch industry as a whole though.

You should get a loupe and taking a look at some high end watches. GS finishing is going to be better than nearly anything even close to the price.

I haven't heard of reliability issues.

Toughness is mostly case and crystal material, GS use 316L steel, like most everyone else. But they also use a titanium alloy which I know nothing about, and Rolex uses 904L.

Send it to japan I think, which is not really any different than sending a high end Swiss watch back to Switzerland for an American. People in Asia or Europe may feel these two are very different though.

Seiko doesn't market GS nearly as much as they should.

Look up GS history if you're interested. It's long and a lot of it will be lost in Japanese, as GS international launch was only 7 years ago. They launched internationally after 50 years of making them.

>>59582930
>How do I justify getting a grand seiko instead of one of the other swiss brands?
Tru justifying getting a swiss brand instead of a grand seiko.

Quickly things will become evident.

>>59583039
>Good NATO straps aren't even that expensive, you're merely saving $2 only to miss on perfect quality and get garbage instead.
If that's true, link me. I suspect that whatever you're sperging about is probably the same exact strap, but if it's not then I'll go with what you suggest.

Phatkat reviews a Precisionist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6WnyVzZRBc

Highlights:
- Anxiety about what he paid
- Trying to film in the bathroom
- The movement is "like Rolex"
- Failing at "Hey Google"

These better be free open source watches.

>>59583141

I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Omega, is in fact, ETA/Omega, or as I've recently taken to calling it, ETA plus Omega. Omega is not a watch manufacturer unto itself, but rather another Swiss component of a fully functioning watch conglomerate made useful by the ETA movements, Chinese cases and vital dial components comprising a full watch as defined by COSC.
Many watch owners wear a modified version of an ETA movement every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the model of ETA movement which is widely used today is often called Omega, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically an ebauche, developed by the Swatch Group.
There really is an Omega, and these people are wearing it, but it is just a cosmetic part of the watch they wear. Omega is the brand: the advertising agency that determines the names and cosmetic designs of the watches. The design is an essential part of a watch, but useless by itself; it can only function when fitted with a completed movement. Omega is normally manufactured in combination with an ETA movement: the whole watch is basically an ebauche with Chinese parts added, or ETA/Omega. All the so-called Swiss watches are really distributions of ETA movements in Chinese cases!

>>59583101

If you want them to last more than a couple of months of daily wear, you should get straps that are sewn, not ultrasonically welded.

The ones you linked are the rock-bottom cheap chinkshit ultrasonic welded type. Buying 10 is enough of a sample of the manufacturer's quality that I would not be surprised if 2-3 of them arrived already falling apart.

>>59583101
Highest quality available, albeit only military colors:
http://toxicnatos.myshopify.com/
http://www.timefactors.com/natostraps.htm
http://www.watchworx.co.uk/pages/lwb/NatoG10.htm

Good quality and more colors than average:
https://natostrapco.com/
http://www.crownandbuckle.com/straps-by-type/natos/nato-straps.html
https://www.watchgecko.com/

Quality leather NATOs:
http://www.thestrapsmith.com/

>>59583257
k but you said that I'm saving $2, these are $1.60 each, so being a bit conservative you're implying that I can get high-quality straps for $3-5 a pop

link me man

>>59583283

No, you forgot to factor in lifespan. It's a consumable item. Your proposed order of 10 chinkshits is the equivalent of less than one real NATO strap.

>>59583257
>If you want them to last more than a couple of months of daily wear, you should get straps that are sewn, not ultrasonically welded.
Actually the highest quality ones I got are welded ones. But then, there's different qualities of welding, and while indeed chinks are poorly welded, I can certainly attest to the durability of quality welded ones. And then there's the same issues with sewn ones, there's quality ones, and there's shit ones.

>>59583314
Get a Zuludiver, and foggetababautit

>>59583302
>No, you forgot to factor in lifespan. It's a consumable item. Your proposed order of 10 chinkshits is the equivalent of less than one real NATO strap.
Source: your ass

>>59583355

Okay, go for it, but don't say you weren't warned by a half-dozen people on /wt/ that they were going to be shit.

>>59583367
you went from zero to spergtard in 10 seconds flat meanwhile I'm just asking for resources
>quote what someone said
>hur dur you're stupid for noticing this contradiction
this condescending attitude of yours must work really well IRL bro

>>59583279
Thanks

On the left, a $2 chink strap worn for a week. Notice the color has started fading around the hole where it was fastened. It's also horribly out of shape for such a recent strap.

On the right, a $10 quality zulu worn for 12 years. It's in better shape than the chink strap. If I was to let it rest for a few days so it reshapes to its actual form, and wash it, it'd look as good as new.

>>59583448
pic

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>>59583448
Now with picture.

>>59583456
Can't help but assume that you're simply exaggerating/embellishing to prove your otherwise reasonable point.
>you're saving $2
simple math indicates that this is wrong
>w-well you didn't account for lifetime cost!
I never said anything of the sort, you read that into my post in response to me pointing out the $2 FUD
now I see you claiming that one strap is shit in a week and the other was $10 and has lasted 12 years

What are the odds you can actually link me to a $10 strap which will last 12 years?
Do you see why I'm skeptical?
>inb4 more condescension, unnecessary embellishment, etc

>>59583479
There's no need for exaggeration. Unless you seriously think there's no difference between a $2 and a $10 strap. Or maybe you never bought anything from chinks and don't know of their crafts. I didn't do any math either, I'm just posting a picture.

The strap that lasted me 12 years is actually a Rhino strap sold here: http://www.timefactors.com/rhinostraps.htm
They're sold for £10 today, that's barely more expensive than what I paid for years ago, and the quality is insane.

>>59583518
>Unless you seriously think there's no difference between a $2 and a $10 strap
There you go again

Anyway, I'm not seeing it on that site in your color, and you also failed to take into account shipping and USD conversion etc
>muh $10

You should maybe try not coming on so strong in the future, because from where I'm sitting you're just autistically ranting at a guy who is otherwise genuinely interested in what you have to say

>>59583534
I don't get what's autistic about saying the strap I paid $10 for is better than the one I paid $2 for. You speculated $2 straps are the same as $10 ones. Well, they're not. Now certainly things have changed 12 years later, and yes it's a couple dollars more expensive today, but the quality is the same.

If you want to know how you'll get chinked:
- incredibly short, may not be long enough is large wrist
- made of shitty nylon, or not nylon
- shitty weave that won't hold
- incredibly thin and fragile
- poorly heat welded or glued
- hardware made of shitty bent sheet metal or brass that'll age like shit
- rings are unsoldered and come apart easily
- ZULU rings are bent hollow tubes, so light they wiggle around which is annoying as fuck
- holes and ends aren't finished properly and will fray quickly

NATO straps are crazy cheap to begin with, it'd be a waste to go for the cheapest ones when a long and thick durable nylon strap with soldered stainless steel hardware and proper sealing is very affordable. You've been warned, do as you wish.

>>59583649
>You speculated $2 straps are the same as $10 ones
jesus christ dude, just fuck off, you have actual autism

>>59583677
>guys, what's your opinion
>just fuck off

Okay.

>>59583101
>I suspect that whatever you're sperging about is probably the same exact strap

I think you're the one with autist if you can't even discuss with people on the internet without getting mad.

>>59583689
>lie repeatedly
>can't into basic English; either being intentionally disingenuous or unintentionally dense
>have a bunch of preconceived notions about others, make illogical assumptions, look for something to argue about at every step of the way, create issues where there are none, actively seek to create conflict instead of making sensible inferences and moving the conversation forward
You are just a fucking retard—that's the bottom line. This same discussion with any cognitively normal and socially functional adult would have gone very differently.

>>59583706
You have genuine autism anon.

>>59583706

If you want someone to tell you that a bunch of rock-bottom Chinese NATO straps from Ali Express are good, you are asking in the wrong thread. We have all had bad NATO straps. You are about to buy bad NATO straps. Please just shut the fuck up and do whatever the hell it is you are going to do.

>>59583706
Get those chink straps anon, they're really better.

>>59583719
>>59583706
>>59583689
>>59583677
>>59583649
>>59583534
>>59583518
>>59583479
>>59583456
>>59583448
Will you two shut up and fuck already.

>>59583726
>>If you want someone to tell you that a bunch of rock-bottom Chinese NATO straps from Ali Express are good, you are asking in the wrong thread
Are you just going to repeat this forever? At what point do you shut up and realize that we've already moved past that bit? Is your IQ below 90?

>>59583738

Shut up, you stupid shit.

>>59583735
One of them actually gave genuinely good advice on NATO straps. The other one just sperged out.

>>59583746
You are mentally deficient. I'm out... have fun samefagging and talking to yourself you mentally-ill loser

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>>59579854

sup tgv

>>59582400
now that's the definition of an autist

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Does anyone know of any digital watches with a clean design not stuck in the early 2000s?
Kind of like pic related, but with sharper corners?

Literally every digital watch I've seen is either autism-tier or a Casio terrorist watch.

>>59582180
have to agree with the rest of the thread. I ordered in a selecting o Ali Natos last week just to see what they were like, all the $2 ones are paper thin and the rings feel like plastic, just don't bother. The $4-5 ones i got are actually not too bad, twice the thickness of the $2 ones, and the rings are definitely not hollow. only problem is the post, theyve just cuta hole in the nato for it so the fabric around it is fraying already,and the post is wobbly and doesn't sit very well. Overall agree with the rest of the thread, just pay $10 for a nice one that won't annoy you every time your using it.

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>>59583915

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>>59576342
I've been using the Casio Edifice. I went with it because of the sapphire glass. I've worked construction most of my life so my watches always get fucked up. Cheap watches have the glass so scratched up after a few weeks you can't even read the time.

The idea of dress watches is a meme to me, you have to be able to wear it all day without it getting destroyed and that means at work too. I bought this job a while back after I learned about the reliability of sapphire glass.

I wanted a working watch that was reliable but not flashy and not easily damaged. That was my goal.

Anyway, I started a new manual labor job and I wear this watch while I work. I wore it for two months before I mentioned it but eventually I showed it to my friends at work and their minds were blown that sapphire glass doesn't scratch.

It's a nice clean minimalist watch which is what I like and it stays nice.

Anyway pic related, it isn't fancy but it stay clean even with brute trauma brought to it from slamming it on metal or concrete from work and no scratches are shown. I took this pic as I posted this and I've been wearing it since

>>59583518
>>59583649
I've ordered straps from a few places, and I also have a bunch of $2 chink ones. Aside from a few of them being sewn a bit crooked around the hardware they all work fine and aren't of any significant decrease in quality or function than the $10 ones. This is no surprise, they're all made in China, and are only offered by so many places because they're easy to slap a $8 markup on. Honestly, you'll get more use out of 5 chink straps than 1 of yours. You even get to choose a variety of colors.

>>59583456
This is also a NATO versus a Zulu, an irrelevant comparison since they have different standards. No wonder you think NATOs are so thin, idiot.

>>59583944
As much as I like this watch, $500 to $1000 for a digital watch is asinine.

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>>59583915

this one has a nice display (I think it was LCD), nice backlight that lasts for a few seconds after release, a countdown timer, stopwatch feature, there was some way to set the alarm to ring on every n'th day of m'th month, 5bar water resist, pretty comfortable bracelet. If you have big wrists, you might consider something else.

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>>59584033
Not all $10 straps are $2 chink straps with an $8 markup. There are actually higher quality ones that deserve their price. Pic related is a great example of quality steel rings, not seen on any chink strap. Nylon strap production isn't exclusive to China, there's plenty such industries in Europe, Australia and the US.

Also I hope you don't believe there's any such thing as "standards" when it comes to NATO and ZULU straps. The only standard is ZULU straps have round rings, but there are paper thin ZULU straps, and thick NATO straps too.

>>59584147
>springbar-attached buckle
Into the motherfucking trash it goes my famalamadingdong.

>>59584189
>every bar is a springbar

Ok.

>>59584147
That looks scratchy as shit. Why would I want that?

>>59584189
That's how any decent buckle is assembled. The shitty buckles are bent in shape, so there's no visible seams, but oh shit there certainly is a big one that can fail any second.

>>59576342
any watch makers on /wt/? i fucked up my math degree. some institution in my city is offering a 4 year watchmaking degree. Is it worth it?

>>59584299

you know there's a lot of math in watchmaking right

>>59584335
doesnt matter. i got very good grades in my first year. dropped out in my second year due to legit mental illness (wanting to be a girl, self harm, drug abuse). im currently somewhat stable again. but i dont want to go back to cramming theorems 24/7

>>59584382

i think the orion watches guy has a few tales from watchmaking school in the stuff on his blog. you might consider perusing them to find out what it's like.

keep looking out for number one, and if you see people trying to poison you with any more of that shit about how it's okay to try to turn yourself into a girl, make sure to pulverize their skulls with rebar until there's no chance of anything but a closed casket funeral.

>>59584382
Go for the horology degree. I imagine watchmaking being a really comfy job.
I'm already going to uni this year for CS but I really wish I chose to study horology instead

>>59584425
unfortunately I can't find any reputable universities in the UK that offer a degree for it

>>59584435
m8
http://bhi.co.uk/

Hello /wt/, I'd like to request your help again.

Back in the past, I've asked for your help regarding my future-watch. You helped me out with telling me to get a watch from the Seiko 5 series (best budget quality, worth it's money according to You). So I want to ask for your help again.

I'd like to still buy my future watch. However, my budget is a bit better: around $200 (with taxes). What watch would you recommend for me?
Oh and I'd like to use it during swimming, so it'd be good if it'd be waterproof.

>>59584589
Unless you give zero fucks about actual timekeeping I don't know why people insist on cheap automatics.

Just by a fucking quartz from Timex or Casio if you can't save up money.

>>59580261
I got both of mine from Amazon.

>>59582390
Kys you fucking pleb.

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>>59582154

>>59584589
gshock
seiko divers
orient divers

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>>59584589
orient ray/mako II

>>59577984

>scratch city

>>59584382
this is a long shot.
B-but will you be my girl (boy) friend?

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>>59582312
>Is there an answer other than "it's a work of art"? Are mechanicals truly the lensless glasses + fedora of the watch world?

Pretty much. Seeing /g/tards sperg over "muh 6R15" makes me think of teenagers running around in thrifted baggy polyester suits saying swag is for kids men have class, blah blah blah

The kinds of mechanical watches that actually count as works of art cost about as much as a decent house in a mid sized north american city. Pretending your $499 Seiko is the same as that is just ultra-cringe, the worst is when they have a display back or an open heart so that people can feast their eyes on literal mediocrity. Or the worst is buying some franken from eBay because "muh heritage muh patina", you literally just overpaid for a used watch that doesn't keep good time in order to give the illusion that you inherited something valuable, good job.

Everyone who is not in the 1% class of wealth holders should buy quartz, instead of walking around with the equivalent of a fiero body kit and pretending you drive a lamborghini. Have some dignity, please.

Pic related, a nice quartz watch, that isn't pretending to be something that it isn't.

>>59585235
>I spent more money on this so it must have higher value

lmao. honestly what does that "work of art" three hander patek calatrava have over a seiko sarb in reality. just different letters for a brand name and inconsequential difference in performance

>>59583964
nice feiko 5 homage

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>>59585657
There's a clear difference in the amount of work that goes into each.

Don't get me wrong, the calatrava is overpriced to hell and back. There are much better pieces you could get for 20k.

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>>59585657
I'm not talking about a $20k mass produced watch, what does real estate cost in your area? You can get a house for the price of an entry level patek? You live in Flint maybe?

I'm talking about something where arguments about craftsmanship or art might actually hold water, because only a few people in the world own one and you can't just walk into the nearest Wempe and put it on your Amex

>>59585740
>mechanical beauty is somehow diminished because of accessibility

lel now you're just wanking pointless exclusivity. so you have a 1/10 limited edition timepiece? so fucking what. you're just as laughable as the "plebs" you look down on for thinking your timepiece is somehow more magical.

>>59585773
Thank you for proving my point. Looking down on "the plebs" is totally not pointless when you're wearing a finicky, inaccurate mass market Seiko SARB, but it's definitely pointless when it's a legitimately exclusive, unattainable piece of craftsmanship. Do you even listen to yourself?

And the only way in which my timepiece is magical is the way it keeps better time than yours, because I didn't fall for the "mechanical = better" meme.

>>59585807
I didn't prove your point you confused elitist wanker

your "craftsmanship" is just excessive complications arriving at the same result.

who cares if your piece is powered by gold diamond encrusted rotors in a 720 moving tourbillon with a meteorite dial when in the end it just tells you the time. you claim to be business savvy yet you fell for marketing bullshit. you're better off buying rare metals straight instead.

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>>59585856
Left: original polished (my brother's)
Right: brushed (mine)

Which one do you prefer?

>>59585856
>your "craftsmanship" is just excessive complications arriving at the same result
I don't think "never having to adjust my watch except when DST changes twice a year" is "the same result", mechfag. Such amazing mental gymnastics going on here

>ho cares if your piece is powered by gold diamond encrusted rotors in a 720 moving tourbillon
It isn't, you seem really confused. Are you feeling ok?

>>59585856
>>59585935
Arguing on the internet...

>>59585935
>adjusting twice a year is worth the 19k price difference
lmao I can literally pay a live-in maid harem girl with that money to adjust it for me and give me blowjobs while were at it

>confused
>he's trying to use words I just used on him in a fit of schizophrenic projection
haha

I'm done here

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>>59583915
Like this?

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>>59585976
>he still thinks I have a mechanical watch
Mechfags are literally the dumbest people on the planet, and I'm including flat earthers, people who pay to pirate, and evangelical christians

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>>59586011
Take it back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1St42c1eOPg

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Post your watchfu

>>59586149
someone else already posted it: >>59585740

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Why does Seiko keep ruining their watches?

>AUTOMATIC in bold sans-serif
>split second indeces on a non-chronograph

Places to score used watches from? Brit here.

>>59586373
If a watch ticks say, 5x per second, you want the dial to have 300 marks around the perimeter. It's more visually pleasing. I'm not sure why this has to be explained to you.

The sans serif AUTOMATIC is a valid complaint though.

>>59586409
>It's more visually pleasing.

It's not. That's something a tool watch and not an elegant watch like this should have.

>>59586482
>elegant watch
>has a date window
>is probably 14mm thick
>knurly knobby crown
Ok sure buddy. I guess a watch is only a "tool" watch if it's got a depth gauge, a gas release valve, and radioactivity warnings all over the dial

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Check out my 1968 omega Geneve. Any strap recommendations for a watch like this?

>>59586149

does this use RPN?

>>59586409
this. the higher bph works well with the indices

the font for automatic does seem cheap though but I'm glad GS is finally its own thing

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>>59586536
With how shiny it is and the blued seconds hand and those sharp minute hands would you not call it elegant? It certainly is not a tool watch.

I think it looks better without those indices. Less visual clutter.

>>59586541
Medium or honey brown calfskin, no contrast stitching

>>59586624
>would you not call it elegant
Are you asking for my opinion or are you asking what "watch people" think?

In my opinion it is not elegant, it is too large, too thick, and the other reasons I mentioned. But people have fucked up ideas of what a dress watch is these days. People think just because a watch is expensive that makes it a dress watch.

This watch >>59586373 is a frankenstein abomination that is supposed to be an "homage" to the old GS watches but fails miserably. They used some design cues from their older watches but "modernized" it, which is why it seems like a dress watch to you, but not a dress watch to me.

Seiko is clearly trying to capture more of the Invicta crowd with their vastly increased case dimensions of almost all their new watches, this one included. They'll end up alienating their loyal fan base but it won't matter, profits are what matter in the end.

What's behind the price difference between a sarb033 and a presage like this
https://www.seiyajapan.com/products/seiko-automatic-presage-sarx035?variant=21212585223

Just the finish? The rarity?

>>59586849
The Presage models are replacing all the Spirits, so you are comparing retail price for a current product against grey market price for an old product.

>>59586849
Seiko is taking notes from mountains jews and starting to price themselves higher and higher

I'd imagine Seiko becoming mid luxury garbage in the future and Chinese microbrands becoming the value option

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>>59584054
G. Gerlach Kosmonaut then? Similar design, less than $300.

>>59586987
Look in this thread. You have people getting buttblasted over the idea that a quartz watch is better than a mechanical and raving about MUH 6R15 is better than $20k micro-rotors because I'm rich enough for $500 (just not rich enough for $20K) therefore people with more money to waste on the same stupid bullshit are bad people who are gullible unlike me I'm smart with muh hand crafted 6R15.

The entire industry is based on the creation of demand for a rube goldberg device that does a shittier job at its entire reason for existing: telling you what time it is. The less logic, the better. If we get too logical about this people might start using their heads and these companies would collapse.

>>59587029
I agree with you completely, yet I still like mechanical more than regular quartz ones. Now if only high tier quartz watches weren't overpriced all the same.

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>>59586541
One of these.

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>>59586149

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>>59586149
Perfection imo.

>>59586541
brown

>>59587029

Quartz does not end up being more convenient for me. I still have to set it all the time.

>>59587814
explain

>>59583204
Archieluxury btfo

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>AUTOMATIC
>23 JEWELS
>200m RATED
>DIVE WATCH
>ROTOR WINDING
>GENEVA

Stop putting this shit on dials.

>>59587942
Probably bought a really bad quartz watch. Some of the worst ones are about as accurate as a well running mechanical. Really no excuse for that, considering all the autism that goes into jacking off over mechanical watches, people can't be fucked to spend 5 seconds looking at the spec on a quartz watch. It's not 1977 anymore, you can get sub 10spy accuracy for under $500 easily.

>>59588088
>AUTOMATIC
>23 JEWELS
>ROTOR WINDING
>GENEVA
should be on caseback or the movement

>DIVE WATCH
this one is an actual label for ISO rated dive standards

>>59587029
I don't like the idea that a quartz watch can die on me anytime so a cheap mechanical is superior to me all the way. Not to mention mechanicals get better perks like sapphire, dive ratings, screwdown crowns, etc.

>>59588136
>Not to mention mechanicals get better perks like sapphire, dive ratings, screwdown crowns, etc.
are you retarded

>>59588136
>I don't like the idea that a quartz watch can die on me anytime
not shit quartz have battery end of life warnings

>>59588136
>I don't like the idea that a quartz watch can die on me anytime so a cheap mechanical is superior to me all the way.
Lol, what does that even mean? Mechanicals are far more failure prone than quartz watches.
>Not to mention mechanicals get better perks like sapphire, dive ratings, screwdown crowns, etc.
That's because you're comparing $600 mechanical watches to $30 quartz watches, dumbass

>>59588159
you don't always have a watchmaker handy to replace a battery. I travel a lot.

I'd rather use a rechargeable fitbit than a quartz shitter in this case.

>>59588179
so you want me to buy a $600 quartz instead

lmao fuck off retard

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I have skinny wrists, how big is the vostok amphibia 120 case compared to the 420 case?

They look similar in size in pictures, but the diagram of all the various cases lists the 120 as slightly larger. Is this due to the crown guard?

>Not being able to replace batteries yourself

It's fucking easy

>>59588222
>you don't always have a watchmaker handy to do a full teardown and lube job while-u-wait, better make up some weird bullshit about how a battery change every 8 years is really fucking complicated and a life-destroying event, the low battery indicator on a quartz watch isn't enough advance warning, I'd rather just notice my mechanical watch hasn't been keeping good time for months and months
>$600 is too much to spend on a quartz watch because MUH CRAFTSMANSHIP
the stupid, it hurts

>PROFESSIONAL

What the fuck does this even mean?

Why the fuck would you put this on a dial?

And I don't mean the speedmaster professional where it's part of the name of the watch. I've seen "professional" just written on the dials of watches.

$600 on a quartz will get you solar charging, world time, gps and radio sync a perpetual calendar and probably a mechanical chrono complication.

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>>59588257
meranom has detailed dimensions

both of the have 46mm lug to lug but the 120 is slightly wider

>>59588289
>I got btfo
>better call him stupid and hope it sticks
yawn

>>59588273
might as well switch to rechargeable for convenience. some fitness trackers have a month of charge time now and you can bet it'll do a lot more things than a quartz.

>>59588337
>fitness trackers

I assumed he wanted a watch and not some plastic piece of meme shit.

>>59588337
>multiple people called me an idiot
>lol I totally won!

lel, no

and no surprise at all that you are a vostok owner. literally the cargo shorts and sandals with white socks of watches. absolute shit taste t b h

>>59588386
I don't own a vostok but I know stuff like these because watches are a hobby.

you're really pathetic and reaching now lmao. I can practically feel you shaking in impotence just by your post.

kys :^)

>>59588300
it's because they're shit watches aping the speedmaster

>>59588102

No, all my quartzes are off by a second or two a month. Sure, the technology is measurably more accurate but you still have to set it all the time. You have to go with an atomic sync watch if you want to just set it and forget it, and literally the only one that isn't shit is the Casio Oceanus.

>>59588420
>projection
>>59588461
You're complaining about a second per month when the alternative is like five seconds a day if you're lucky? What's the matter with you?

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What are your favourite quartz watches in existence?

>>59588569
I like the Bulova Moonwatch but /wt/ thinks it's shit and has put me off.

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>>59588569

>>59588549
that's right. you and your projection got btfo. lmao.

>>59588619
>if I can just get the last word in maybe it will look like I won!

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>>59588569

>>59588589
It's fine; /wt/ just objects (correctly) to the idea that its finishing is the equal of a speedmaster.

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>>59588569

>>59588651
When did anyone say it's equal to a speedmaster?

>>59588549

If I am going to set it at all (as you concede that I am), I'd like to have many choices about size, design, material, and build quality. The complications I like (GMT/dual time in particular) are also much easier to find in mechanical, while nearly all of the quartz watches with it are hideously ugly, trash, or both.

>>59588651
What's the deal with that Doctor watch? Are they expensive because I love it.

>>59588691
>spring drive
>quartz
No, it's just another wrist fedora rube goldberg device invented out of desperation because mechfags were starting to catch on to the fact that all practical advancements in mechanical watches stopped in like 1936 and every single thing since then was just another variation on the same

With spring drive, seiko hopes that people will continue to avoid using logic when thinking about watches for the foreseeable future, so they can try to come up with another pointless "innovation" to distract people from the fact that they're paying more for a worse product

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>>59588569

>>59588713
Some weeks ago someone was shilling it.

>>59588749
That is a Seiko 5s21-7a10. The 5s21 is a 4hz quartz movement that I believe was made from 1989 to 1991 or thereabouts. It has a small vial of liquid inside that dampens the steps of the motor so the second hand sweeps smoothly. 5s21 watches can be had on Yahoo jp or eBay for the 200-400 range although they're uncommon enough that getting the exact same model as mine would be difficult.

>>59588767
This watch is still timed using quartz though right?

>>59588823
>Quartz with a power reserve

Tell me more.

>>59588767
I don't get it; are you saying it's not one of my favorite quartz watches? Or not a quartz watch?

Or are you just saying I shouldn't like it because I've been brainwashed by muh mechanicalism? In which case, you didn't really hurt my feelings, sorry!

>>59588861
This >>59588823 is a citizen chronomaster ("the citizen") with eco drive (solar); the pr measures the battery life.
This >>59588691 is a Seiko spring drive; the pr measures the mainspring.

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>>59588742
The only valid argument there is "I don't like the way it looks", everything else is just flat out incorrect. GMT + HAQ is a thing, and it doesn't have to be expensive.
>>59588829
The ultimate source of timing is quartz, but they built enough complexity (i.e. possible points of failure) into the mechanism so that it has sufficient inaccuracy to please the MUH CRAFTSMANSHIP autists. There is no good reason to do that other than the fact that they fully understand that people don't want better, they WANT a shittier watch because if this had any kind of logical consistency the entire scam would be revealed.

>>59588861
It's solar I think?

>>59588906
Haha, exactly this. DO Spring Drive Seikos cost more to run than Omega or Rolex?

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>>59588767

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Don't you just hate it when you're watching a watch on eBay and you get really hopefuly but in the final few hours the price goes up and up and you realise there are loads of autists just like you lusting over this pointless item than won't enrich your life and the other nerds have got more money than you so the watch goes way out of your budget.
Yea I do too.

>>59588906

Face it, pleb. There's a whole lot more to this than the one single spec you've zeroed in on so autistically. The world of quality quartz watches is pretty barren and you're out of your element.

>>59588943
The quoted service intervals are longer for the spring drive. The service is in the $500 range, probably on par with Rolex, cheaper than coaxial or chronograph Omega, probably more expensive than other omegas.

>>59588967
>"Surely no other autists would be bidding on 30 year old seikos at 3am in the morning"
>Outbid

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>all of this bickering
What are the "best" quartz watches under $50?
>Casio terrorist watch
>Timex Easy Reader
>Timex Weekender
>Fairfield variations
Anything else that's a must-have for a guy who just wants some variety? I'll worry about mechanical greatness later in life when I can afford it.

>>59588967
Post a link so I can snipe it.

>>59588967
>>59589015
>they don't use autobidding software
>they don't use multiple devices with multiple different connections to place the same bid at the final second
lol

>>59589015
>not using a nsiping service
It's like you don't even know how to use ebay.

>>59589007
Jesus. This is why I want a quartz or a standard Seiko Auto.

>>59589015
Yup. Or two autists with seemingly no grasp of the value of money get into a bidding war and it ends up double what you were hoping to get it for.
Fuck this gay earth. I'll stick to my G Shock.

>>59589043
And these help you when the price gets too high how?

I'm losing items because they're going higher than I want to pay, not because I'm not quick enough.

>>59588943
Not only that but Seiko refuses to stock parts longer than 10 years. So basically, it costs as much as a Rolex, but you get the customer support of a disposable Casio. Actually Casio probably has better service than Grand Seiko.
>>59588974
>There's a whole lot more to this than the one single spec
Sure, there's a lot of woo-woo voodoo like MUH CRAFTSMANSHIP. Except none of it is measurable which, of course, is the entire point. If we bring logic into this, the whole thing collapses.

Isn't the service interval and the GS quartz something like 20 years?

>>59589075

other guy was talking about staying up til 3, to which my response is directly relevant, and it's relevant to you because you're clearly approaching this problem wrong, but I guess inferring that was too hard for you and you'd rather just post a snarky and unproductive response <|:^)

>>59589098
I've heard the 9F quoted as high as 50 years.

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Why would you need to use a 3rd party service to win at ebay.

Just bid the highest amount you're willing to pay 10 seconds before the end.

You'll only lose it if it goes higher than you're willing to pay, and then you wont feel cheated because you didn't want to pay that much.

>>59589086
>Not only that but Seiko refuses to stock parts longer than 10 years
Seiko guarantees they will have parts available for 10 years AFTER the movement is discontinued, which is a lot different than only stocking parts for 10 years total.

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>>59589027
Pic related is $45 on amazon. Adds some good variety to the poverty watch collection 3bh

>>59589132
>for 10 years AFTER the movement is discontinued
And just when is that? You don't know, of course. It's a surprise. But they typically run those things for 5-7 years before they drop them from the catalog. So, yeah. You could fly to Japan the second the watch is released so you can maximize that service window and then toss it in the garbage in 17 years. Or, you could at least buy a watch from a company that respects its own customers, which basically means Switzerland or Germany.

>>59589030
Absolutely not.

>>59589139

Thanks for the recommendation, that looks great. Got any others? I'd really love a chronograph in this price range even if it's not great. I've been eyeballing the Timex chronos but most of them are fuck huge and I have small wrists (16cm or about 6.3 inches) so it's a no-go.

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>>59589167
Pulsar pw3001

>>59589244

too beefy for me, I really want a casio terrorist watch but in all-metal

unfortunately the metal terrorist watch has a plastic case and a metal band… fug

>>59588569
Grand seiko 8 day spring drive

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>>59588569
> Seiko doesn't stock parts
> Better buy a Swiss spring drive

What is the most accurate watch in the world that is not an atomic sync?

Would it be the GS Quartz or the GS Spring Drive?

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>>59588569

>>59589310
It's this >>59588823
Rated 5spy

>>59589310
Citizen A660 I believe, although some 9Fs can match the 5 spy rating.

>>59589329
>>59589336
dafuq is 5spy

>>59589350
Seconds per year you ignoramus

>>59589310
Spring drive is not thermocompensated and does not come close (30spm, I believe)

>>59589310
As has been mentioned already, spring drive is not particularly accurate (30spm).

20-30 years ago there was a very short list of models and manufacturers offering anything like 20spy, but these days there are just too many to keep up with. GS quartz is among the best (but don't confuse this with GS spring drive, spring drive is a wrist fedora just like any other mechanical)

>>59589359

Damn, I thought it would be something cool, like good enough for clandestine spy operations in the 70's when they were still using numbers stations, so keeping time would be more important for accurate receipt of transmissions

>>59589336
That's like 2006 talking, I don't think they even make the A660 anymore

>>59589387
It was replaced with the ecodrive version above

>>59589387
>>59589404 is correct, it's the same movement but solar powered instead in current chronomasters.

>>59589404
Ecodrive is just solar powered right?

>>59589125
What if you want to sleep/do something else at the time

>>59589366
>Spring drive is not thermocompensated

Yeah man it's not like you can expect thermocompensation on a $5,000 watch!

>>59589161
Movements aren't discontinued after 5 years. Ever. By anyone.
And it means when the movement does get discontinued, you have a 10 year to stockpile parts for as long as you want.

>>59589310
Some swiss brand came out with a haq recently, I believe it's Longines. 5spy like the Citizen.

I've heard that the fairfield isn't as loud as the weekender. Does anyone have experience with them?

>>59589450
That would get in the way of the craftsmanship. What do they think this is, the 1970s? The prestige of a wrist fedora is proportional to how often you have to reset it and how many different ways it can die.
>>59589451
>let me just buy donor movements so I can justify my wrist fedora because the manufacturer doesn't have any sense of loyalty to the customers buying their most expensive shit
I hope you're actually serious, that would be amazing

>>59589482
Every timex is loud. they're designed and made that way.

>>59589450
Given the movement architecture of a spring drive watch, thermocompensation would be very hard to implement.

>>59589492
Literally nobody guarantees part availability forever.

>>59589469
Just checked and it is indeed Longines VHP

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>>59589469
Lol, the Swiss have had HAQ for decades. The Japanese have just been hyping it lately because they were the first to make it at mall watch prices with stuff like 8F32

>>59589536
>The Swiss have had HAQ for decades
But they are not making them anymore.

>>59589536
Nice apple watch homage.

>>59589557
>>59589534

Springdrive!

It's like having all the failure points of a mechanical watch with all the failure points of a quartz watch in one!

>>59589575
Those are both my posts.

>>59589617
What are the failure points of a quartz watch?

>>59589617
>Major failure point of a mechanical watch: balance/escapement
Major failure point of a quartz watch: battery

>>59589534
Nobody guarantees it, but with a conventional watch you have a lot of options if something goes wrong. There are orders of magnitude more Submariners and Seamasters out there than GS Spring Drives, so if you have to buy a donor (which I hope you understand is the absolute extreme scenario that you should never have to plan on doing), there's a shit ton on ebay, and most of the time you can just easily source the one part and be done with it.

This isn't going to be possible for a spring drive that gets discontinued. They simply aren't selling enough watches, or parts, to give a buyer any confidence in the future survival prospects for his watch. If this was a $300 watch it wouldn't matter. Just buy it and if it dies, chuck it and move on. But at the price of a spring drive, anyone who goes into that knowing what their "guarantee" is, had better not mind chucking a $6000 watch in the trash 15 years from now. So I guess the customers are either idiots, or the fabulously wealthy.

>>59589557
Haven't been making that specific model omega? I never suggested they had been. But thermocompensated quartz has been around forever.

Ugh sorry guys I just really need to vent right now.

I do find this general can be on the snobbier side in distinguishing between "approved" and "unapproved" watches, but that price isn't necessarily the key differentiator. There's a list of allowed brands to be posted here, and they run the gamut in price. But if you post outside of that list, you get a lot of hate for posting a "fashion brand" or a "trendy kickstarter" brand.

The irony is, most of the people that leave those negative comments have no first-hand experience with those watches. They hate them because they've been told to hate them, because they want to "fit in", because that's the culture here. And they "know" that "fashion brands" are bad.

It's so snobby, I find it pretty frustrating.

>>59589638
Anything electronical can just randomly fail. And since most quartz watch servicing is to replace the entire movement you'll be shit out of look when they stop making it.

Where goes the line between shitters and real watches? Are mid-range automatic Seikos and Orients shitters? Are Vostoks by definition shitters? Poljot Strelas too?

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>>59589689

>>59589689
Is this a WUS copy pasta?

>>59589689
Weak bait.

>>59589725
Reddit actually

>>59589710
"Any watch that costs under $2,000 is a shitter" - Arthur Chesterfield the Third

>>59589652
Why are you contradicting yourself? Now you're saying the reason it's hard to keep them running is the low number. This has nothing to do with how long the manufacturer stores parts. At all.

>>59589689
Practically every internet watch discussion is like this outside of the niche discussion boards that are dedicated to one pet brand, in which case it becomes a safe space for that brand.

>>59589680
Sure, but nowadays almost nobody major is offering them, apart from Seiko and Citizen.
From Switzerland, you have Journe, and now Longines, and I think that's all.

>>59589710
Dogshit exists in all price ranges just the same as good watches do. Only thing to do is educate yourself on how to avoid it. All vostoks are shit though so you got that right at least.

>>59589748
I think maybe you must have misread one of my previous posts if you think I'm contradicting myself. Either that or you've got me confused with someone else.

>>59589744
Cheapest used rolex watches can go for 1,5k

>>59589704
>Anything electronical can just randomly fail
Yep, that's how things work.
This post is so wrong it's not even funny.

>>59589710
>Where goes the line between shitters and real watches?

There isn't one, "shitter" has no dictionary definition lmao. Decide what is important to you in a watch and buy the one that best fits those criteria. There are problems with all of the brands watches you listed depending on who you are and what your priorities are.

>>59589775
I'm sure he confused you with that other guy shitposting about spring drives.

>>59589787
You never had an electronic device fail on you?

>>59589775
Well, if you were the person saying Seiko guaranteeing 10 year parts availability after a movement is discontinued is bad, then I wasn't mistaken. If not, you're just stupid and your post makes no sense.

>>59589783
And they're shitters.

>>59589813
But there always was a reason for it failing. Things don't just happen, aoart from radioactive decay.

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>>59589689
The real objection is around price to value, generally. /wt/ has an aversion to watches that are priced above a watch of similar movement quality and finishing (which is why generic ETA movements in basic cases get scorn when they're priced above $500). Most fashion watches fall in this zone (MK, Armani, Gucci, guess, Tommy Hilfiger, etc). If these watches were priced around the $40-50 range where their movement and finishing would make them comparable, they'd get a lot less hate. Don't get me wrong - I like a lot of the Kate Spade watches, for example, but I recognize that 80% of the price is baked into a designer name, rather than movement or finishing.

It's the same reason there's scorn when I post this one.

>>59589826
I've said that before. Where do you believe there's a contradiction? The fact that I'm saying the reasons why it's bad, and not just that it's flat out bad?

You seem to have mistaken me for a mechfag. You see unlike people like you, I actually have reasons for having this or that opinion. Not just "woo woo muh craftsmanship, muh feelings, you wouldn't understand".

>>59589790
>"shitter" has no dictionary definition lmao
Yeah, but any well informed dudes can spot shitters quite easily.

Shitter Watch:

False heritage: Either completely made up, or an old company that did have heritage at one point but went bankrupt and was bought back by a conglomerate.

"Swiss Made": When it barely meets the 51% criteria that the law defines.

Non in house movement: Generic ETA shitter in chink cases

Affordability: Anybody can get one

Mass production

It's sold in mall shop windows in generic jewelry stores

It's the kind of thing your wife would buy you for your birthday.

>>59589892
This.
Nomos, Tag Heuer, Victorinox and "minimalist" shit brands like DW are prime examples of shitters.

>>59589923
I don't think Nomos count, they're expensive, have an in house movement and aren't mass produced.

>>59589965
>I don't think Nomos count, they're expensive, have an in house movement and aren't mass produced.

They're upmarket Daniel Wellingtons designed for numales who grew up without a father who taught them how to not dress like a fag.

>>59589986
I personally don't like the design but I think they need to be given a little credit.

They're not mass producing watches on an assembly line with chinese cases and shoving eta movements in them.

From watching their making of videos their "factory" is tiny and is just a small number of professionals hand making watches.

>>59589772
Brietling has been offering them for longer than most of /g/ has been alive

Ray ii or SKX?

>>59589965
>in house movement
IIRC, their "alpha" in-house calibre is just a Unitas (ETA) clone.

>>59590041
That's a good point, I forgot about Breitling. What accuracy are their best quartz watches rated for?

Why are Seiko, Seagull and Citizen the only companies that sell cheap watches with in house movements?

It seems that every other watch company that sells watches around the $200-$500 mark uses ETA, Seiko, Citizen or Seagull.

Why do you have to spend kilobuks to get a bespoke swiss movement?

>>59590080
The alpha isn't very original. The automatic DUW movements (in the neomatik watches) are pretty much original though.

>>59590139
Because making a movement is very hard.
There's Vostok too.

>>59590163
Why weren't swiss companies in the past developing their own movements at the same time the Asians were?

Why did they all choose to use ETA?

>>59590139
HMT? Though I think they went out of business lately

For all the praise they get, Swiss companies seem shit at business.

>>59590065
ray 2

>>59590184
Because why would they? The in-house fad is very recent.

>>59590260
For when ETA decides to stop selling movements like they are doing very soon.

>>59589689
Anon I'm sorry.

Your father got you a Steinhart for your graduation. You loved it. You wore it everyday. It was your pride and joy. Finally you could show the world what you were made of, and that you, after all these years had earned the right to wear your first Swiss Made luxury watch.

Then, alas, you found /g/. You found /wt/ and anons were talking about all types of horological technology, forms and functions, complications and designs, reliability and value for money. You were home at last, among your fellow watch connoisseurs.

As you were scrolling away, you saw someone else posted their Steinhart.. and you knew it was time, time to share with the world your own timepiece for all to admire and adore!

So you did. And then the comments came in. But, something was wrong. They were.. Unexpected. They were.. cruel. Harsh. Demeaning and offensive.

What? Why? How can this be? After all this time and love you have shared with your watch you've just been told, that slab of metal around your wrist, is in fact a steaming pile of dogshit.

>>59590222
Depends who. I'd say Rolex is the best at business, in watches or in anything else. Think what you want of their watches, they're just an incredible company.
Of course they rely a lot on their brand value, but they really aren't wasting it.

>>59590269
It's the tenth time I've heard that. Every year ETA is supposed to stop selling movements. They never do.

>>59590065
Skx for an actual "tough" watch. Ray for a nice-looking diver.

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What do you guys think of Christopher Ward? I'm eyeing their Vintage C60 which seem to flaot around £500-600 on eBay. I liek that they do a 38mm version.

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What watch is she wearing?

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>>59588136
>Not to mention mechanicals get better perks like sapphire, dive ratings, screwdown crowns, etc.
No.

Pic. related.

>>59590330
>CoWARD

newthread >>59590327

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God /wt/ has been shit lately.

Do any watches actually appreciate in value? Every mug with a rolex babbles on how it will gain money because it's limited edition, blah blah.
Do any watch models genuinely gain value?

>>59590395
only muh precious craftsmanship malaysia slave seiko movements appreciate in value. my $600 presage is totally going to be an heirloom in 10 years I'm just counting the days.

>>59590065
SKX

>>59590330
They are decent watches, I would wait until their next sale, you can get one for around £300-400 if you are quick enough.

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>>59589689
Ikr mate! These haters are just jealous. I get compliments on this watch all one time

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>>59589710
I think my orient and vostoks are shitters, but they're good value shitters. And that's what matters.

>>59590273
Kek I wrote this one at work

>>59589689
yes this place is full of elitists who only personally own $200 watches

this current 4chan culture of newfags parroting some incorrect hateful shit because they read an infograph or reposted meme some autist made is disappointing

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>>59591457
Please tell me this was a gift by a family member who doesn't know their asshole from an elbow.

>4 clocks on one watch
>flava flav thinks its too big