/tpg/ - Thinkpad general

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uh oh...

Does the W520 have any motherboard improvements other than the 4 DIMM slots ? Is it generally a good pick over a T520 or an ultra cheap T420 ?
I can only find it at a heavy (40-60% more expensive) premium compared to the T520 in Europe.

>The x220/x230 don't have a secondary drive bay but HP's equivalents do
>The x220/x230 don't have socketted CPUs but HP's equivalents do

Why isn't the EliteBook 2570p recommended more for the 12.5" class? Often it's even cheaper than them if you're amerifat

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>>59438762
A refirbished T530 from ebay for $250 shipped. 8gb, i5 2.5ghz, 128mb SSD, really clean.

Been using a beat to shit 9 year old Dell for way-too-long, so this thing is pimp. I should have jumped on the bandwagon a long time ago. Thanks for existing, /tpg/ . Otherwise, I may have never known this level of comfy.

I don't understand the hate for this newer style keyboard, though. This thing is boss.

>>59439042
It's mostly the layout, but there are some people sperging out over the fact that it has chiclets

>>59439042
If it's anything like my W530 was, you'll regret it soon.

>>59439028
I have this laptop. Very solid choice.

>>59439028
because "muh brand loyalty"

what's the best way to do a factory reset on the t420? I've been through installing generic windows and going back through all the drivers but I always feel like I missed something. I always buy them used so I can't just find a recovery disk from where I got it. What should I do?

>>59439028
I odn't like the keyboard feel or design. Plus it's aesthetics are really bad. No ips screen option.

>>59439042
Main issue with the keyboard is what they did to the home-end-insert-delete-pgup-pgdn cluster. On the older models, it was easy to feel which was which because they were different sizes. On this one, not so much, how do you tell home from F12 by feel? Old style seperated F keys into groups of 4, easy to tell apart. This one it's just one big long line of keys.

I use every key in that cluster regularly when typing, except insert. So making it significantly harder to do by touch is a big regresssion imo.

>>59439197
Open up device manager, make sure all devices are working and have installed drivers, and you are good to go. All the extra bloat Lenovo software is just that, bloat.

>>59439285
>All the extra bloat Lenovo software is just that, bloat.
Power Manager is important

>>59439105
elaborate?

>>59439042
I don't hate it either. Even more interest in trying it after reading an article on their blog talking about how they design it

>>59439197
Install gentoo.

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>>59438527
What's the absolute cheapest Thinkpad with at least an i5 in it? I need a throw away laptop. I have my own RAM and a hard drive is not needed.

>>59439452
If you can make do with first-gen, X201 or T410. T420 isn't much more expensive and second-gen brought major performance gains.

>>59439528
Thanks.

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Why don't more ThinkPads have ports on the rear? Things like power should ALWAYS be on the rear. Ethernet too. I fucking hate side ports that aren't USB.

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>>59439028
>tfw two mint condition 2570p laptops came in my work the other day
I've been wanting to try one out for awhile. Big fan of the 87xx Workstations, I kinda like the keyboards and build quality, it grew on me, wayy better than Dells before the haswell refresh.

I guess my coworker was having issues witht he E6430 being to big, so I recommended the 2570p and she likes it alot, The Latitude E6430 had a bad battery and I had some palmrest scrolling issue.
However the Elitebooks has a HDD, so I am going to toss the SSD from the E6430 onto the Elitebook.

>>59439042
>9 year old Dell
>during the time when Dell's quality control went to shit vapors
wow anon, big upgrade there.
I think that the only thing will bug you will be the drop of perceived toughness.
The keyboard redesign will only bug those who've had ThinkPads in the past. newcomers will not give a shit because the keyboard already feels amazimg.

I mean I feel the difference when I had the X220 for a quick minute after dailying my T430s and Pixel
But honestly people talk like the T420 keyboard is godlike.
The T420/T410 keyboard is shit compared to a T60. If I had to pick between a T60 or i7 T420, I'd pick the T60, hell I'd even pick a R60e over the T420.
When a T420 goes toe to to against a T430 the only thing it wins is the 6-Row layout (not the keyboard feel)
T430 beats it in CPU peformance (who's going to bios flash a T420?), fucking gaming performance, battery life, display, and it has USB 3.0 ports.

>>59439197
>factory reset
Your best bet is just burning or making a bootable USB of windows.
win 7 you'll need additional drivers to do anything, win 8/8.1 you might not to get ThinkVantage started
Just install LXLE.

>>59439600
Ports in the rear are kinda dumb if they end up being blocked by a dock
>lol Dell and HP

>>59423489

How good is OSX on the x220T?

>15" iGPU T601F
>T9300 CPU
>hits 92C after just a few minutes of prime95
>fan has to kick into secret maximum overdrive mode so it doesn't melt
please advise

Is there a better cooler I can use? I have a 14" T61 assembled from spare parts with a T500 fan and its T7300 doesn't go past 75C. I don't think I can use that cooler in an integrated GPU model, though.

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>>59440607
Not sure but a W500 fan was a recommended fan mod...

>just get copper shims
>who cares about your prime 95 cooling benchmark

>>59439028
where is the scroll button

the clit mouse needs a scroll button

>>59439028
>Why isn't the EliteBook 2570p
cuz I can't find any for cheap, also no ips option, which is huge for me, can't stand tn panels anymore.

I do like the elitebook's desing tho.

What would be the elitebook equivalent of the t430 tho?

>>59440607
I have a t601f aswell with t9500 and igpu
under prime load it only gets to 65 degrees
something is seriously wrong here...

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>>59440827
>>59442024
After looking at the motherboard layout I realized the T500 cooler actually would work just fine, so I swapped it in. T61 somehow broke a hinge in the process, but sacrifices had to be made in order to achieve sick cooling gains. I don't have a second cooler to put in that one anyway. Pic related was the same amount of time it took to hit 94C with the stock cooler. It's still running now and hasn't broken 80C yet.

Should I sell my T410 and buy X220 instead? Will there be any performance or battery life difference?

>>59442284
yes to both

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>>59442284
i jumped from t410 to t430s, and the difference performance wise is WOAH

>>59442331
what are the differences between the normal t430 and the t430s?

>>59442406
s is slim, but afaik mainly the battery life vs portability

>>59442331
Why do you run hackintosh on the best compatible laptop for Windows?

I recently purchased an X200
The fan was bad and I replaced it.
Everytime the fan is not running there is a high pitched noise emitted from the computer.
Does anyone know what this is?

>>59442563
Check the hard drive

>>59442571
Do solid state drives emit high pitched noises?
How does that relate to the fan?

>>59442623
>Do solid state drives emit high pitched noises?
SSDs have no moving parts...

>>59442670
That's not what he asked.

>>59442686
>>Do solid state drives emit high pitched noises?
that's at least, one question...

>>59442670
Yeah, I know they don't have moving parts.
But neither does anything else on the motherboard. The fan stops and then theres a faint squeal.

What should I ask seller while buying used x220?

>>59442526
i was just tinkering around

i think it was the best linux-compatiable ? are you actually kidding me ?

>>59442875

Ask if he ever had his shit pushed in

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Still tinkering around with Firefox setup (and may rebuild the kernel at some point), but I think I got everything how I wanted.

Behold, the X201f (f for Frankenstein).
The chassis, fan, and trackpad of an X201, the motherboard and CPU of an X201s (i7-640LM), and the screen of an X200s (1440x900, extra screen space is much needed over 1280x800), 8GB RAM, 128GB SSD, all combined for the near-perfect 16:10 Thinkpad.

It's pretty much flawless; it's impossible to get the temperatures above 72C, even when maxing out CPU and GPU (prime95 with heavy WebGL). Super quiet, long-lasting battery (when it had the X201 motherboard it would get 9-10 hours 0-100%), although I haven't tested it fully with the new setup. It's fast as fuck for day-to-day use, but compiling takes quite a bit of time. The Linux kernel with default configs takes about 1.25 hours to compile with -j5. However, note that it only gets to about 60C when doing that maximum, hovering around 50-55C usually.

I'm now running musl Void Linux with dwm, st, firefox, and dmenu with GohuFont. Unless you're using a heavyweight DE, Void is actually polished as hell, and I would recommend it to anyone looking for a minimalist distribution.

The only real problems I have are with the BIOS; the reseller removed the BIOS serial number, making it complain with a 2200 warning every time it boots (wasting ~2 seconds, and completely irremovable, since I can't get a service USB to boot). Since this machine is compatible with coreboot, the idea is to flash it with coreboot once I have the proper equipment and time, allowing for much faster boot times, no annoying warning, and more free firmware.

tl;dr: I highly recommend this frankenpad to any and everyone.

last sidenote: the screen has a light blue tint and uneven backlighting, which is much worse in pictures; in reality, it's hardly noticeable unless you're trying to see it. It's fine for text and web browsing, but not for photo editing.

>>59439028

Stop spamming this pasta in every /tpg/ thread

>>59442670

Some SSDs can. its a barely audible whine when doing intensive things like copying over large files and such.

I wanted to double check that the glossy version of this screen will work with my t420 once I install a HD+ cable:
https://www.laptopscreen.com/English/screen-part-number/LP140WD2(TL)(G1)/
The stock 768p screen is incredibly shit...needs to go.

>>59443364
Is it possible that it is my CPU emitting this sound when it is not being directly cooled by the fan?

>>59443467

Its not emitting noise. What you're hearing is plastic melting and cracking. What do you even mean not directly cooled by the fan?

I might try freebsd, will it work well on an x301.

>>59442563
Coil while. All of my thinkpads does it.

Redpill me on the newer (t440 and later) ThinkPads. If I don't care about value for money, are they good in these areas?
>Build quality
>Keyboard
>Screen
>Linux support

I get a little bit of screen tearing when I'm using mpv. I have a t420, and am using Lubuntu. Is this thing that much of a toaster, or is there some non-free driver I'm missing?

>>59443565
>No
>No
>No
>No

>>59443565
A friend has one, and it's like a constant battle with graphics support. He's been waiting on Nvidia to release official support for years now.

Also the t440 specifically has one of the worst touchpad/trackpoint buttons setups ever.

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Hackintosh on x220 worth it?

>>59443642
x220.mcdonnelltech.com

>>59443642
Why would you ruin a good laptop with such a shitty OS?

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>>59443662
Ty
>>59443667
>shitty OS
I've never used mac, Is that so bad?

>>59443667
as opposed to what? an OS that doesn't even work such as lunix?

>>59443709
It's a lot like Linux, except the gui parts are better and the unix parts are worse. I wouldn't use it on a non mac hardware because it kills the battery life so bad.

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>>59443722

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Thinkpads vs Elitebook 840?

>>59443748
840

>>59443748
Holy shit dude, stop shilling hp. Go make /hpg/ if you want to.

>>59443813
Not him, but chill out pal, the dude's asking on opinion on the Elitebook 840, he's not saying they are better

Also
>Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/ (e.g. Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).

upgraded my x200 to affs screen. feels good man. rarely used the x200 before, because i couldn't stand the tn shit.

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Redbull me on the X240. I like that it's thinner, but otherwise how does it compare to the X230?

>>59443748
>thinkpads vs MacBook Pro clone #4563

My laptop just died and I'm thinking about buying a cheap laptop replacement. Used thinkpads look like a good place to start. I have a thinkpad 600E, but it is a little dated for my comfort. From what I understand, lenovo owns the thinkpad brand now, instead of IBM. Have they fucked it up? I really hate lenovo with a passion. Probably one of my least favorite companies. Their laptops feel like garbage, and the company itself is even more garbage, installing sketchy shit into their bios and such. So on one hand, I want absolutely nothing to do with lenovo, second hand or not. On one hand, I still think fondly of the thinkpad brand. Is it worth my time or did china fuck another thing up?

>>59444054
Shittiest ultranav you can find out there, the lack of physical buttons make the trackpoint unusable and the trackpad is a turd

Think x250 of more recent

>>59444054
change the trackpad on the x240 quite easy and so worth it.

>>59444124
easy fix 25bucks and u get a cheaper x250.
i think performance gains in one generation are negligible.

>>59444155
Didn't know about that, seems like I don't lurk enough sorry

By the way, is the fix something that works perfectly or does it has flaws like the T430/T420 keyboard thing?

What laptop should I get? I want the following:
>Decent GPU. Given that Nvidia and Optimus are absolute cancer on Linux, that means I basically need a modern Intel GPU like the 520.
>Decent CPU and ram. I don't really care desu. The best CPU in the t420 is more than good enough for me.
>Good (t420 tier) build quality and keyboard. It sounds retarded but I actually want something that has some weight, not MacBook tier that I'll drop all the time.
>Good Linux support
I don't care about the screen, battery or heat that much, and I don't care about price. I would get a t420 but the GPUs are too shitty.

>>59444088
You can by one from the T/X/W series with confidence up to the 20 models, 30 are said to be good too but I don't own anything newer than a X220t and a W520

>>59444178
Only thing is that it's not totally flat with the palm rest maybe 0.5-1mm higher, which doesn't bother me.
Works fine with linux, with windows 10 it works fine until you preform a update, then the physical buttons stop working and you have to edit some registries, after that everything works fine again.

>>59444242
My W530 was absolute dog shit. Glad to finally upgrade to T420 from it.

>>59444364
What problems did you have with it?

>>59444367
Battery failure
Random crashes when the computer was moved (probably a faulty system protecting the machine from large impacts, falling, etc.)
One corner of the keyboard was squeaky
Touchpad lost it's bumpy texture very quickly
Random power failures that ultimately rendered the machine pretty much unusable
Poorly insulation, could feel electricity by touching metal parts of the ports or the fingerprint scanner

Just to name a few.

>>59444411
While some of those problems are part of the risk of buying used laptops, I have to admit it does indeed not sound really appealing

Out of curiosity, why switch from the W to the T series?

>>59444462
I bought my W530 as new, not used. I used to own a T410 earlier so I knew the build quality of T420 would be better. Only thing I miss from the newer machines are the better screens but I can live with that.

>>59444512
>I bought my W530 as new
Oh shit, that really sucks then considering the price of the thing

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Is there a way to optimize 1080p playback with core i5 2520M and iGPU?
I can run 720p flawlessly but 1080p casue the temps to reach 70 C.
I'm using mpv with this config

vo=opengl
demuxer-mkv-subtitle-preroll
ass-force-style=Kerning=yes

>>59444544
To be fair, it lasted me 3 years, but I wouldn't recommend the machine to anyone else.

>>59444220
a P70

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>>59444603
3 years is pretty weak for a thinkpad, one of my friend is still using my old T400 which works perfectly and I have been using my X220t for a bit more than three years, and I bought it used from britbong land at that time

>>59444598
Are you actually experiencing stutter? Simply running hot doesn't sound all that bad and the HD 3000 struggle isn't any surprise to me. Trying to make MPV's config less taxing will quickly eat in to the quality of video output if you want to reduce heat.

I managed to get an old netbook managing decent video playback with the settings listed here if you want to play around with them.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mpv#Fix_jerky_playback_and_tearing

>>59444598
Windows, Linux? My T420 can run 1080p chinese cartoons without heating up. Have you installed the correct drivers?

>>59444684
Also, I just tried playing some 4k movie trailer I downloaded from youtube. It ran without stuttering but the temps peaked at 70. You're hardware should have no problems playing 1080p.

>>59444598
Mine plays 1080p 8bit with smoothmotion and filters no issues at all.

However if i throw a 10bit file in there the housefires begin.

>>59442563
>>59443546
i had coil whine using libreboot but was able to fix it by adjusting the pwm frequency of the backlight.

so libreboot might be a solution to fix that.

>>59444772
HEVC (x265)?

>>59438527
best ThinkPad for 1000$?

https://youtu.be/6XFP4vbuLdI

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What's a good model thinkpad for my cat to use? He won't even use it correctly so I don't mind if it's out of date or broken.

>>59445636
Any X series would do.

my x230t just came in the mail, so much better than my x201 in every way. screen is so nice

Question: Do I fuck up the battery on a X220 a lot by docking it at 50% battery left?

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If I purchase a Lenovo X200 (currently going for €87), how much should I offer for it and will be a good Thinkpad for purely Linux stuff and bringing to libraries and archives for typing?

Anyone recommend anything else than Linux Mint XFCE?

>>59445819
>Linux Mint XFCE
Ubuntu Mate

the non shit version of that

>>59445965
Hey hey hey hey hey hey hey, hey

hey

don't you shit on XFCE.

>>59445970
it's not 2012 anymore

no reason to use outdated bullshit

>>59445974
XFCE is one of the most modern DEs currently available but MATE is the continuation of GNOME2 so it's top comfy.

>>59440045
I actually prefer the keyboard on my W520 to the T60 keyboard in my T400. Difference in switches I suppose. Both are total trash compared to my X300.

>>59443268
You are truly doing God's work. Now, the question is, why the fuck did we never get something like this direct from Lenovo?

>>59444644
Still use my T400 too. Bought new, which was a mistake, but it makes a good travel computer that I don't need to worry about breaking/losing. Although I am surprised with the problems that anon has had with his W530, because my W520 has been absolutely rock solid.

just bought a t420, What upgrades should I buy while the wait?

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>>59446620
If you don't need the DVD drive, you can buy a SATA drive bay to give you some extra storage.

>>59446620
SSD top priority
At least 8GB of RAM after that
Docking station's a good buy if you have a lot of peripherals

>>59443268
This is probalby the machine closest to what I would consider "the people's computer". I mean, there have been people who have dreamt about everyone having a car so the Ford Model T and the VW Beetle came around. They were cheap enough for the average person to buy one, cheap to operate and realiable for many years. Put this computer into production, maybe with updated key components, especially CPU, to make it a bit more modern and sell it for a reasonable price (I don't really know how much it costs to produce these but fuck me if it can't be sold for <$800) and you might just have the PC to end all PCs. Just, for the production models it should come with a proper DE instead of tiling. The general public isn't interested to learn how to use shit again. It should resemble Windows as closely as possible.

>>59443268
>The chassis, fan, and trackpad of an X201, the motherboard and CPU of an X201s
why not just get an x201s? Any benefit to the chassis of the x201?

>>59446829
The s versions are limited to smaller batteries.

>>59446942
That's only true of the slim T series. The X200, X201, X200s, and X201s all take the same batteries. The benefit of the X201 chassis and fan would be better cooling, as the X201s only has one side vent, instead of the usual two in the corner, and its cooler is smaller and less capable as well.

>>59446704
>>59446707
Thank you guys

>>59447003
cool

I have an X200 now and AFAIK it has the same chassis as the x201, but it's damaged

I'll look into that x201f build. Looks comfy and useful as fuck. My only alternative is I think I'd prefer a 1200x800 AFFS panel rather than a 1440x900 TN panel

Can used thinkpad run manjero os? What about win 10?

>>59445970
>>59445965
>>59445984

Ty for the recommendation on Linux.

So how much should someone spend on a Lenovo X200?

>>59447205
I recently bought an x200 w/ it's original dying battery, a chinese charger, 8gb ram, and a w10 preinstalled HDD on ebay for $100.

>>59447094
Leave.

>>59447275
The guy selling it is offering €87 for a decent battery (4 hours), 4gb RAM, and Win 7.

All in pretty good condition, senpai.

>>59447302
You can always update it to W10 for free or install Linux, so the OS really shouldn't matter.

>>59447276
What do you mean? The last thinkpad was made in 2007 right? How can it support modern OS?

>>59447205
Depends if refurbished or not and of course on your location. If you're talking Europe, you're gonna get it for ~100€ not refurbished or 150€-180€ refurbished.

>>59447326
Would 4GB be much of a limiter for Libreoffice and the like? RAM prices aren't very friendly at the moment.

>>59447205
$99 at most

>>59447351
Most likely.

>>59447205
>Ty for the recommendation on Linux.

they're shit. use Lubuntu, it just works.

Is there a cheap fix for the flimsy x220 lid?

>>59447351
I'd say so unless you plan on having other applications running at the same time as LibreOffice like an audio player, browser, chat client, etc.

>>59447408
>using space waster unstable lxde rather than superior mate desktop
kys nogger

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>>59444678
>stutter?
No, just high temps, There is Screen tearing with scene that involves a lot of movement or when the camera moves horizontally.
>>59444684
Manjaro, It can run 1080p, high temps is the issue.
>correct drivers
What drivers? I thought the kernel handles the iGPU drivers.
>>59444772
Pretty much this.
Most of the files are 10 bit.
>>59444821
HEVC runs fine, 720p the temps are acceptable 50-60 C, 1080p the temps reach 80C.

>>59447488
>What drivers? I thought the kernel handles the iGPU drivers.
Install xf86-video-intel

>>59447567
>xf86-video-intel
>(Often not recommended)

>>59446829
The bigger fan was important to me; I wanted the low temperatures, and the bigger X201 fan doesn't fit in a plain X201s. Also, finding those on ebay is rare as *fuck.*

>>59446489
>why the fuck did we never get something like this direct from Lenovo?
Don't ask me. It's basically perfect, aside from the BIOS and small backlighting issues.

>>59446739
That's exactly what I was aiming for! Thinkpads are already closer to the ideal "Model T" style that you're talking about, but this is as close as I've come to seeing it.
If they made a 4:3 12" laptop with OLED or a low-power requirement screen (OLED or somesuch) at 1080p or 1440x900, a M7 or ARM CPU, with libre boot code (coreboot/libreboot), and that ran actual desktop Linux (vanilla Unity, LXQt, KDE, or GNOME), I would buy it in a heartbeat.
This is as close as possible as that ideal, and I wish it were a more common desire.

>>59447488
>HEVC runs fine, 720p the temps are acceptable 50-60 C, 1080p the temps reach 80C.
There's your problem. Download x264 videos, none of that HEVC crap.

>>59447648
It's my feedback regarding HEVC, The issue I'm having is for X264 videos.

What is the difference between the e460 nad the thinkpad 13?

best ThinkPad for 1000$?

Who sells good third-party batteries for a T430?

Bought a cheap one off eBay. Thing dies when the OS read 50% and charge just sucks in general.

>>59447759
Buy four T420's and glue them together.

>>59447759
$1000 is far too high a budget; {T,X}{2,4,5}{3,2}0 for the standard options, usually under $500. You could go for the X61 if you're retarded and have too much money, but want a modern 3:4 laptop at any cost, or you could frankenstein one yourself using X20{0,1}{,s} parts, like I did here >>59443268
Either way, $1000 is way too high.

>>59447759
You need to understand that this general is for discussing legacy laptops.

>>59447759
X1 Carbon 2017 base model with discount
alternatively, t450s with IPS display and new 9 cell battery

so i've read that an ips panel tends to use about 15-20% more power than the similarly sized tn, but i've found that i regularly have the new ips in my x220 at 25-50% brightness in conditions where the tn brightness would almost always need to be maxed. do you suppose i come out ahead, power draw-wise?

>>59448420
yes

Are Lenoge [sic] replacement batteries reliable?
They have good reviews on amazon.de and are a lot cheaper than original Lenovo batteries but I don't know about buying from 3rd parties.
Asking because I dropped my original T420 battery and I don't trust it anymore.

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yo this girl says she'll totally fuckin drain me if I get an eGPU for my X220 i5 with 16gb ram and no external monitor. Anyone have any advice/experience/recommendations?

this is scary tech territory for a humble fellow who sells plants for a living and I'm just lookin to get my knob sloobed

my mother just told me she was proud of me after seeing my new x220

T420 or Dell Latitude E6420? Both are refurbished.

>>59448779
make sure you got the modded bios installed because egpu + 16gb ram in an x220 with stock bios shits the bed hard for some reason. or just take it down to 8 gb

http://www.mediafire.com/file/94m8c5jdt2yoaft/X220_v1.43_Modified_BIOS.zip

pe4c 3.0 adapter is considered to be more stable than the expgdc beast v8, but it's also way more expensive and more awkward to position on a desk due to the rigidity + length of its data cable. i haven't had any problems with my exp gdc. get the expresscard version of whichever one you choose

dell da-2 power supply is better looking vs some atx psu with wires all over the place on your desk. it can do 220w, which is enough for any card worth using in this hacky-ass setup.

as for the gpu, consider the fact that performance will be limited by bandwidth and the fact you want to reroute the video data back to the internal screen. don't get something crazy powerful that will just end up kneecapped by the fact you're cramming all this data through a single pcie lane. you will want an nvidia card that has optimus support since it will work way better on the internal screen than any amd, thanks to its gpu switching and data compression tech. don't get a 10xx , as their drivers are being fucky with egpu setups. 750 ti is a good choice, with its fairly balanced bandwidth/performance, and can be powered by just the pci slot. a 75w 950 might be good too. a low profile 1050 ti would be awesome for power and portability, if the drivers weren't a mess.

>>59449221

T420

>>59449016
Her bull probably was rocking one back in the day.

Just got a X220 dual booted with Win7 and Arch. I come to class only to realize I didn't install the wifi drivers in Arch

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X220 connected to my school display/mouse/keyboard. Best cheap durable uni laptop ever.

Arch is nice to play around with too

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I'm selling my PC, because it's wasting space and I feel I can condense the activity that occurs on my PC to a laptop, I just need some help.

Ideally, I'd like it to be 13" @ 1080p and I'd be inclined to upgrade the RAM and HDD to 16GiB and 2TiB. I'd like it to be powerful enough so that it can play SOME games. I'm not interesting in the lame graphics whore type games, it would mostly be for emulation I suppose, because it would be a Linux machine.

Are there any laptops that /tpg/ would approve of?

>>59439600
cause battery handle, docks

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>>59449590
>1080p on a laptop

>>59449640
Sorry, is there a problem with high-resolutions now?

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>>59449016
I'm sure she did

>>59449661
it would require scaling. screens should never go past 120PPI. everything higher makes scaling necessary and limit your choice of OS.

>>59449661
Its not necessary on a fucking 13 inch screen

>>59449661
>1080p
>high resolution

>>59449705
>>59449707
What about 900p?

>>59449705
of course this doesn't go for android or iOS devices because you don't have much choice concerning OS with those

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>>59449707
It absolutely is. 1920x1080 on 13" is not enough. It should be at least 2560x1440. Why do you hate clarity?

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>>59449684
this is /g/

>>59449640
Nothing wrong with a 1080p screen on a 15" or even a 14" laptop.

>>59449774
>my eyes are the same as cameras
Maybe when stick your face a few inches away from the screen, otherwise you won't notice much.

>>59449774
Second one is definitely scaled. Fuck off.

>>59449807
It's definitely noticable.

Laptops should be 200ppi at least.
Phones 300ppi.

>>59449823
>not being able to use windows 7 due to unecessarily high resolution
seriously, you're gonna upscale and lose screen space anyways, so you trade windows 7 for more clarity (which you won't notice from working distance at 120ppi)

>>59449774
your face will never be that close to the screen

1080p on 13-14" at native scaling master race

>>59449868
What thinkpad do you have?

>>59449883
X1 Carbon 2017
also have an X200 and t61p

>>59449868
>1080p on 13-14" at native scaling master race

That is really awkward. 130ppi is the maximum for native scaling.

>>59449932
maybe if you're blind
I'm at 14" with native scaling right now. I had a macbook pro retina for a few months and couldn't stand using anything less than the maximum screen real estate, which was 1680x1050 doubled and made the machine run hot as fuck

>>59449948
It has nothing to do with eyesight. It's nost just comfortable.

I've used the X220 with 1366x768@12" at native and I really wouldn't want to go lower than that.

>>59449684
kek

>>59449995
that's not really a comparable situation; you can't just compare PPI scaling from one screen size and apply it to another

what I use is extremely comfortable and I find it difficult to adjust to anything less for this screen size.

Where do you usually get refurbished thinkpads in europe? Amazon doesn't really deliver to my location.
And what's a good thinkpad for around 1k?

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T430 or x230??

>>59450487

T530

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>>59450579
2big and 2expensive 5me.

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I'm considering an X250. Good idea or not?
I heard Thinkpads after the X230 have some malware in the BIOS or something. What's up with that?
Also, some are sold without the internal battery. Can they still work normally with only the removable battery?

>>59451062
>after the X230
kek, no lenovo has been putting malware in the since the beginning. if you're using windows you're gonna get infected but lenovo spyware and shit like intel management engine. there's no real way to avoid that

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Guys, I just got a 2611 for free, what I can do with it? the display doesn't work, but I hooked a vga cable to it and works like a charm (with Windows 98) any recommendations?

>>59443565
T460 owner here,

>Build quality
Alright compared to most laptops today
but absolute shit compared to the older (pre t420) thinkpads.
I've dropped my t460 2 times already, once on the edge with the battery.
This made one of the battery holding switches pop out and have the battery be losely held in place, and the screen slightly bent outwards because of malformed hinges.
Second time I dropped was game over, I pulled on a headphone cable and the laptop fell face down from a table about waist height.
This caused both hinges to break off the laptop, and the screen to eventually fail.
Compare this to my t40 which I have thrown multiple times across the room in fits of rage and still works perfectly.
The new thinkpad durability is shit.
>Keyboard
Even though all the nig/g/ers here complain about the new keyboard being the worst thing about the new thinkpads,
its actually quite good, and I would say much better for typing than the old t40 keyboard.
The t460 keyboard has much more clicker and responsive than the t40 keyboard,
and the spaced out keys give me much less mis-typed words.
The only thing that is better on the pre-t420 keyboards are the layout,
which is very important because everyone on /g/ is a professional video editor
that uses millions of key-shortcuts that all use the home, end, insert, and delete buttons.
>Screen
T460 screen was superb, I have the model which had the 1080p IPS display.
Screen was bright, colors were great, and the resolution was sharp.
However, all this does not matter if the screen is not attached to the computer anymore from a fall off a table.
There are older thinkpads that have screens that are on par (x220 IPS display)
or even better (t60 Boe-Hydis AFFS display) than the newer thinkpads.

(Continued)

>>59439600
rear ports are fucking shit.

>>59452225
>Linux Support
Despite what everyone tells you, absolute shit.
Yeah, wifi drivers will work out of the box on even the most difficult of distros (Gentoo),
and graphics drivers too (no shit its intel HD graphics).
However, there are so many other fucking problems with linux on this shit.
The clit mouse is as hard as dehydrated shit to get working on.
You have to fuck around in the xorg.conf for a couple of hours with joystick variables to get the trackpoint to work.
And because of the oversized trackpad for nigger fingers, you have to disable it.
But guess what dipshit, even after you disable the trackpad,
if you put your palm on the trackpad while using the trackpoint like a normal person,
the trackpoint will zig zag like a shit headed fuck high on ASSSSSS.
So, you have to arch your hand like a fucking spider to use the trackpoint.

In short, the new thinkpad is as bad as /g/ers say on /tpg/, but not for the reasons they say.
Go get yourself a x220 or build yourself a t601f so you can be the most badass fucking shit in this thread,
and stay clear of the lenovo chinkshit chicken-shit bullshit.

I'm looking to buy a T430 from ebay, but I heard the screen was shit. Any experiences?
Can it be replaced with a better screen?

What's the best place I can buy an X220?
Ebay is fucking me in the ass with shipping due to living in Europoor and local used ones are sold for 200 euroshekels ++
I just want to have muh hackintosh on the mSATA ssd and looniks on the hdd.
Any other thinkpad you can recommend?

>>59452518
>Any other thinkpad you can recommend?
T43

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>>59452225
>my t40 which I have thrown multiple times across the room in fits of rage
Pretty sure I'm responsible for some of those desu.

>>59452649
Nah, it was because I couldn't get a 3rd party edishit wifi card to work.

Will a t601f with Intel GMA x1300 handle 1080p30 video without stuttering?

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>>59449684

>>59452518
what about a t420 for gayOS on the msata lunix on the hdd1 and gentoo on the hdd2

>>59452759
Is it a steal if I get a T420 for 180$ with shipping included?

So i just bought a thinkpad in excellent cosmetic condition and it smells of ciggies. Any advice on how to get rid of the smell.

>>59452833
wash it

>>59452833
Put it under the sink.

>>59452833
Run Prime95 and wipe down the exterior with ammonia wipes; after running the fans at max overnight, open the case up, clean out the interior (avoiding the motherboard), blow out the keyboard with compressed air, and then run the fans at max again (run prime95 or something of the like) once you get it all together again.

Another thing you should do while it's open is to replace the thermal paste, or the fan if it's dusty.

>>59452833
Take all the batteries (including the CMOS battery on the motherboard) out of the laptop. Let the laptop sit for a day to make sure all the charge has disapated. Then get some 99%-100% isopropyl alcohol (has to be pure isopropyl, no distilled water) and a sealable plastic tub that will hold your laptop. Fill the tub with your isopropyl alcohol (do this in a well ventilated area unless you want to go blind and have your house stink), and dunk your laptop into the tub. Let it sit for about a day and take it out, wipe it down a bit with a rag inside and out, let it dry in a well ventilated area for a day. And presto, you've got yourself a shit-free, sterile laptop.

t. mysophobe who likes old computers

>>59452924
Note: you also might want to replace the thermal paste after soaking it is isopropyl.

>>59449684
can we make this the new header for tpg?

>>59443453
can someone answer my question pls

>>59440607
>>59442024
>>59442189
Will a t601f with Intel GMA x1300 handle 1080p30 video without stuttering?

>>59446707
Another T420 owner here, i notice the rear RAM panel only has 1 slot in it, if it open the fucker more is there a hidden one?

>>59453329
It's on the upper side of the board

>>59453353
Great, i dont wanna open her up just yet but im gonna buy some more ram at some point

>>59453365
>i dont wanna open her up just yet

Son...

Hello /tpg/, I got a Thinkpad x230 today but Windows 10 was installed on it and I want to downgrade it to Windows 7. There's a Windows 7 key already taped onto the thing so I can switch no problem (or use Dazloader) but is there anything I should be aware of or prepare for?

I'm just paranoid about accidentally breaking something since my friend mentioned some of his settings on this thinkpad were weird after he reformatted his drive to install Windows 7 even after reinstalling the drivers.

>>59453417
I used to have an X60 and she was in pieces constantly, but this T420 is just amazing and i dont wanna

>>59453427
Dont worry, itll just take some downloading of drivers to get it working properly, but its simple enough just time consuming

>>59450392
pls respond

>>59450487
x200

>>59450392
UK here and eBay
>1k

>>59449684
>>59449684
Gold

>>59453614
see
>>59453016

>>59453585
Is that too low or too high?

>>59452518
keep in mind, mSATA runs at SATA II speeds on the x220

>>59453837
It's fine for daily usage though, i doubt he'll need to transfer large files between SATAIII SSDs regularly to make full use of sequential SATAIII speeds.

>>59453878
I've read somewhere (don't know where to be honest) that the mSATA is only there for cache purposes. Can I install an OS on an mSATA SSD if I already have an SSD with an OS on it in the SATA bay?

Just acquired an X61 tablet without an oprating system installed. Can't find the Win XP Tablet edition anywhere. Can anybody help me out?

>>59454123
Install Gentoo XD
Seriously just install a non autistic Linux distro

>>59454093
Yes, the msata ssd will be bootable and everything.

I'm running gayOS with an msata 850 evo as my main and only drive.
>muh silent ssd + fan off thinkpad

Picked up 2 x220 tablets both i5 with 4gb ram off ebay. 1 for £45 and the other for £50 both cracked on the corner of the palm rest, when the cheapest i've seen one go for is £99 with a smashed screen I'm hoping I did pretty good

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I need a PC replacement.
>~13" (native 900p would be nice)
>upgradable to 16GiB RAM and 2TB HDD
>powerful enough to play emulate old games and 1080p movies
What get?

>>59452492
Its shit. Currently typing from my T430 and this screen makes me want to stab my eyes out. Viewing angles are absolute shit, brightness is shit, contrast is shit and I can see the little crosses on the screen surface. I think you can replace it with any 14" screen just make sure the connector fits. All the screens seem to go for $50 cad right now on ebay so I might have to stick it out with this abomination of a display for a while longer.

>>59455082
t420 but it's 14"

with 3 drives you can easily run 5tb

Is there a way to remove all this chinkshit bloatware from my t430 at once?

>>59455244
Reinstall windows

>>59443268
now lose the touchpad

>>59455082
T60 or newer will do ya there

>>59455244
L I N U X

>>59440442
acceptable, performs at the same level of a 2011 macbook pro, but there are a few quirks with the ultranav and some screen artifacts.

use it mainly because of photoshop

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Someone already coated an entire thinkpad with vinyl? worth it?

>>59455923
If it means getting rid of that horrid T420 trackpad texture, sure

>>59455244
Instal gentoo.

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okay, i need hand here with the custom boot splash images on my X230T, the Lenovo flash utility has a .txt that states the image must be a BMP/GIF o JPG file with a max filesize of 30kb and max res of 640x480.

so i made a design on photoshop. tweaked with the color palette and managed to get it to 18 kb, it flash fine but the result is this.

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>>59443748
I use a new 840 at work, and a T530 at home.

They are roughly the same specs, same OS, and perform about the same. I like the keyboard MUCH better on the ThinkPad - great feel. The touchpad and buttons are more simple on the Elitebook which I think is better. Overall, the ThinkPad feels more "premium" and comfortable to live with. The Elitebook is rather minimalist, but has a VERY solid and sturdy build.

>>59455947
Not just the trackpad, but all de body. i think this gona be cool.

>>59455989
Upload the jpg you used.

Maybe try one of the other formats?

>>59455923
I'm thinking in doing that after someone calls me a weeaboo for recognizing my "subtle" 2hu vinyl decal on the lid.

>>59455996
Buttons might be good for you, but I think losing middle click is a big blow. I use middle click all the damn time.

opening & closing tabs in ffox, opening new windows of already open applications from the launcher/taskbar, copying text on x.

>>59455989
That looks cool though.

turn off the startup message on the bios and it'll look fine

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>>59456032
actually is a GIF
but here, probably something with the compression

>>59456072
upload the original, 16:9 with colors and everything

>>59455182
How's the performance?

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>>59456079
ah, i guess theres no need to compress o reduce the colours so here it is.

>>59456131
Did you find that pic online or make it yourself? If you did it custom, better to add the text/logos AFTER converting to gif/bmp whatever, so that they don't lose so much quality.

>>59456185
>did the image
well i got the background from deviantart and just put the shit on top

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>>59456131
try this one

not the best quality but going under 50kb is tough

>>59456273

>48KB

dude, the file size limit is 30kb

>>59456266
Yeah exactly, to get clearer text you should add the stuff on top after you scale it down to low res.

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>>59456320
ayy fug i can't read

>>59456103
define "performance"

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>>59455989
It says you can use a jpg though?

For some reason, after upgrading my W530 to an SSD, Windows update no longer seems to work. It's not like I even use Windows that much, but when I do I don't want to have to be manually downloading everything from Microsoft.

Is there any way to fix this?

>>59456360
same result, static corrupted result

>>59456388
JPG just yields a blackscreen

>>59456360
>>59456441
From what I've read online there is meant to be some application included with the bios update image that you can use to acutally compress the image to a valid format? ARe you doing that?

Are the recommend 2 models the only 2 thinkpads? I have a class this summer that is Linux based and want to be quite the /g/entleman during it.

>>59456494
Only 2 good* thinkpads

>>59456471
I didn't on my machine, the image went straight from photoshop as a .gif image to the bios folder and flashed it.

Mine is a T420 with modded bios though.

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>>59456471
thats for X230, the bios utility for the X230T does not include this tool.
>>59456388
scratch that, it worked
but the aspect ratio is horrendous on your image
care to share the procedure for JPG?

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>>59456532
Problem with aspect ratio is in your source image senpai.

Can't remember exact settins, one of these will work.

1

What's the best way to remove OEM stickers leaving no icky shit behind?

>>59456584
Well can't upload the one with different encode settings as 4chin thinks i'ts the same pic.

I'm just exporting a jpg from gimp, and lowering the quality level. Tick show preview when saving .jpg to see estimated filesize. Can't remember if that first pic was interlaced/progressive, try both one of them works. No other settinsg changed from default.

>>59456584
that one doesnt work. black screen
>>59456388
this one does works

what gives? lelnovo

>>59456620
Iso alcohol takes off sticker residue really well.

>>59456661
I had a second one but 4chin won't let me upload it. Just do it yourself fucking christ. Make two jpg, one progressive one not, try em both see which works.

>>59456620
Heat the sticker with a rag of hot water before removing.

quick question, I just did a clean install of windows 7 and I'm looking at the guide to installing drivers

https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/migr-74108#app_util_install

>At this point there are two methods for Device driver and Application installs. The simplest is to use ThinkVantage System Update to download and automatically install all the required device drivers and applications. This method also ensures that device driver and application dependencies and co-requisites' are installed correctly.

So I did the ThinkVantage System Update but theres also a huge list of drivers on the bottom but I dont think I have those (like the power manager). Do I have to install those too?

>>59456962
power manager is the only one of the lenovo applications that is useful, everything else is bloat

>>59456970
so are all the applications at the bottom of the list just random bloatware or necessary drivers? Dont want to wake up in the morning to a broken laptop!

>>59456620
W40.

>>59456532
S-senpai, how i can do this to my x220 too?

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>>59457030
Oremo.

>>59457030
really simply, download the bios utility from lelnovo website and follow the logo.txt

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>>59457066
This?
http://support.lenovo.com/br/pt/downloads/ds032000

>>59457092
thats for the ThinkPad Twist S230u anon.
you install that and you brick your x220

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>>59457100
Ha, ok. Ty senpai.

Will W10 run okay on a T420?
I'm using lubuntu right now, but need my proprietary software.

can someone share a guide to replace the lcd of a x230t?

Just won an auction for a T500, my first ThinkPad. I suspect it's going to need some repairs, software, and perhaps upgrades. What are the best options to improve its ability to access and render animetiddies stored on my desktop?

>>59457502
Sure, why not.

>>59457675
You should have buyed a refurbished machine instead.

>>59457575
>what is the hmm

>>59457724
its scratched all over the place :(

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Where i can find the mod bios for x220? The Bios 1.40 whitelist removal and shit, pls i buy the moderfucker hyperX impact 1866MHz and can not use this fucking mhz! REEEE

>>59457762
I only got this. http://rgho.st/buy/7lSYDdbXF
>Access to the file is restricted
REEEEEE

>>59456620
i use an orange oil based liquid called goo gone and a knife to gently pry up the corner

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>>59457762
SHIEEEEEET! Can anyone know the pass?
http://rgho.st/8V4bR8m27

>>59457708
I'm not sure I follow. Making it my own seems like half the fun.

>>59457762
well that's because it's a CPU limitation

>>59457762
>>59457964
The dude wants people to pay him $5, send him an email if you want to at mandriva64(at)gmail.com

>>59457762
>>59457964

Have you tried the modified version listed on this page: http://x220.mcdonnelltech.com/resources/

It says that it unlocks faster ram & removes the wifi whitelist. And it has no password or anything.

>>59458100
Just watch out for the dude in this thread: http://www.win-raid.com/t1976f16-ThinkPad-x-problem-with-a-custom-BIOS.html

bricked his x220 with that bios, enabled some feature that I guess wasn't actually supported by the hardware, laptop is now ded.

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>>59455947
the T420's trackpad texture is just a sticker, you can peel it off

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>>59458124
>laptop is now ded
What is desoldering the bios chip?

>>59457502

w10 is shit

Reminder to check if you qualify for the battery recall: https://support.lenovo.com/nz/en/solutions/hf004122

Go through the manual process, enter in the model number & sn in lower case with no -'s, and see if you qualify for a free replacement battery.

Just did it for a battery from 2012, it isn't just new ones that qualify. Will they replace them for laptops purchased secondhand too? Also this info should be in the op.

Stupid question. I have a x220 running quite hot. Can anyone point me to a cleaning guide.

I have a x220 running quite hot. Can anyone point me to a cleaning guide?

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>>59458163
the whole laptop is a sticker

>>59456437
Nigga thats nothing to do with a ssd, there are like 20 fixes on the microsoft site for broken windows update. You should have installled the most recent windows iso. First of all search for 'windows update readiness tool', and 'windows update reset'.

>>59454216
>gayOS
Which OS is that?

>>59453530
ebay.de or random guys on the street

>>59458163
Oh fuck, I never knew this. It feels much better now, thanks.

>>59458301
macOS Sierra

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Its fucked lads. What's the best screen replacement I can do for the x220? Can I ascend from 720p?

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i7-3520m or I7-3687U? I will do BGA cpu upgrade on x220. Yes, i have the material.
>>59458250
Use this shit http://www.tpfancontrol.com/

>>59458447
Only if u mod this shit, buy a ips

>>59458490
I have my finger hovering over an IPS on eBay at the moment. I wanted to check first if there was a better option.
Is the mod too much of a pain in the ass?

>>59458457
Thanks anon

>>59458498
>mod too much of a pain in the ass
Hell yha, buy adapters, soldering shit...
More easy just buy a new ips screen.
>>59458603
np

>>59458457
The non-X220-housefire U version

>>59458457
x220 is sandy bridge, not ivy bridge or am I missing a beat here?

>>59459045
But the motherboard is the same socket, BGA 1023 and the chipset aparently have support for ivy bridge .

>>59459059
Oh I never knew that. So it's socketed and I can swap an Ivybridge chip into it?
Why do people even bother with the X230's + keyboard swap then?

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>>59459097
I don't know, i do not know men, i just think it will work, right? RIGHT?

A friend of mine wants to trade his Thinkpad x240 for my old i5 4690k processor and my old z97 g43 - gaming motherboard.

I dont use that hardware anymore so its pretty much just laying around. Do you think it would be a good trade for me?

How much is the x240 worth used?

>>59458241
neato just got a new battery for free.

I'm currently own a MacBook Pro 13" (2015). It's nice and i love it, but I also want to tinker around with Arch. Which Thinkpad should I buy? I mostly would code on it.

>>59459719
See the part in the op, where it says reccomended models to buy? One of those.

X220 is my personal preference, because it has the option for the IPS screen, default screen on X220/T420 sucks.

You can buy a newer model, but for a cheap secondary laptop to run linux on, you should just save the money and buy a cheap used older model.

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>>59459869