/pcbg/ - PC Building General - "Just Wait" Meme Edition

Can I build a computer with two G4560? Consider how good they are shouldn't I be getting some sort of "super i5" computer or something?

Had anyone attempted before?

>>59376153
My dad works at Intel. They're working on a motherboard that will let you SLI processors. Apparently they're so afraid of Ryzen's core count that they're responding by just letting people slap a bunch of CPUs together.

>>59376187
Could your dad send me a prototype please?

>>59376207
PM me your address.

Noob here. Can someone explain how an AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor is slower than a Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor?

They are the same GHz, except one is 6 cores. What am I missing?

>>59377152
because amd is shit and you fell for the moar coars meme

>>59377152

Clock speeds don't stack up 1:1 like that.

>>59377162
What the hell are cores good for then?

>>59377278
whores

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Someone stop me from getting a B350 motherboard instead of the x370

>>59377864
If I was to be more interested in 3D rendering and modeling than high-end gaming, would a an i5 2400 be a better choice?

>>59377865
B350 are great value, x370s aren't really worth it

>>59377152
It's about ICP (insane clown posse). Basically, the Intel 14nm architecture from 2015 is far more efficient than the 32nm AMD Bulldozer architecture from 2012.

It's like this in dumb babby terms:
>GHz = how hard the processor is working
>core count / thread count = how more efficiently the processor can work tasks in parallel
>ICP = how efficient the processor is

A more efficient processor will usually beat out a processor that is working harder. A processor with a higher core count will do certain processes faster, like rendering video (creating video content), but it does not do all tasks faster because it has more available cores.

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Is Inno3d any good?

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Any suggestions? Hoping to keep it around 1.7k as a long time machine. So no upgrades for the next 6ish years.

I mostly do Unity app development and animation in Flash. I game casually, but only multiplayer and usually totally different things every time ranging from Rainbow 6 to Terraria as my group tends to lose focus on specific titles easily.

I was thinking about streaming as a hobby, hence the 1700 instead of a 7700k. The additional cores seem useful in that regard. Please no brand circlejerk.

whats the best i can do with a budget of $1200? gaming computer-wise

>>59378801
1200 will you get far these days.

>7700k
>480
>Any 60$ mobo
>16gb DDR4 2133
>128gb SSD for your OS
>500gb HDD

Grab yourself a pretty case and you'll be running Overwatch on ultra and witcher on high. At a reasonable resolution.

>>59378828
thank you friendo

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>>59378801
I made this just for you, anon-kun

>>59378828
If you go off sales and buy parts one by one, you could prob save enough to even get a 1070 or even a nice freesync monitor with a 480.

I went full on wait for sales mode and was able to keep a 7600k, xfx 480 gtr alongside a mobo that can overclock the 7600k to 5.2ghz easily WITH both delidding tools, liquid tim and cooler that handles it.

>>59378932
all under 1100 including sales tax + monitor

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>>59377960
>>59377865
if they really do stick with the AM4 socket
you're gonna want those extra phases
especially if ryzen 2 can clock higher

>>59378828
>>59378914
>powerful cpu
>midrange gpu
>for gaming
Literally why. I'd get i5 7600k and gtx 1070 with that budget.

>>59378991
Honestly >>59378914 could replace the 480 with a 1070 and still be within budget. Might be worth considering.

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>>59378794
I have that board and the 1700x
using OBS, which can tell you how many frames have dropped in the stream, I am getting anywhere from 0 to 1% dropped frames when doing h264 and 3-5% dropped frames usin nvenc
needless to say I am impressed, but I should have gotten the 1700 since I have watercooling

>>59379027
could cut both the ssd and hdd space in half to save money to spend on the other more important parts too

>>59378670
Anyone?

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What should I be looking for when building a pc for video editing & rendering? I don't have a hard budget but let's say £800-1K, I'm in the UK.

Performance per core of a 1800X is the same of each core in a i5 7500, according to Passmark scores.

So, both have the same performance for single thread. I can use two cores to host Windows on a VM and there would be six free cores for that.

And the VM would be faster than the 7500 for multithreaded software.

Did I miss something? The question is, will a 1800X VM be as fast as an i5 7500 pure system for single thread, and better for multithread?

My only problem here is that I heard there are problems with passthrough in Ryzen motherboards. Could you guys give me some pointers for information on that?

>>59379745
Focus on a good CPU and a healthy amount of ram; 16GB+. The more cores the better for modern video rendering. Get a Ryzen 1700 and OC it a little bit and you'll be fine.

You can use a more basic GPU like the GTX 1060 or something.

What's a good SD card reader?

Buying a 1070

EVGA superclocked or Gigabyte's G1 Gaming?

help
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jC68Cy

>>59380897
why not msi?

>>59379981
I'm not educated enough about passthroughs to comment on the VM issue but I can tell you the 1800x is the worst buy of the three R7 chips. The 1700 is where it's at.

>>59382250
Are you planning on being a twitch streamer or a content creator? Otherwise idk why you wouldn't just get a 7600k or something

If I turn off all the fans in idle, the only moving parts left in my PC are the mechanical drives. Why shouldn't I just throw them into the ancient PC lying around in the basement and attach it to the network? Except for size, noise and power consumption, what are the advantages of a prebuilt NAS? What advantages does a dedicated server OS offer and which one will run on a toaster?

I'm pulling the trigger tomorrow. Building this as a budget/entry-level video editing rig i can upgrade painlessly if need be. https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/Hx2df8

where did i fuck up.

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Is pic related a good deal for 360 bucks?

Keep in mind I'm europoor, shit costs much more over here

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in a few years i want to build a dual CPU full tower PC for around 5 thousand bux.

does dual CPU's still work for gaymen if i put the latest windows on it?

I'm so fucking done with cheap people asking me to help them pick their computer parts.

Sorry, if you only want to spend $500 bucks on a computer, look into used parts. Nothing I recommend is going to be decent, or within your budget.

Sorry. just had to get that off my chest.

>>59383898
OK, budget is around 1k, so I'm not cheap.

I decided on a 7700K. Please help me decide other parts, so far I have :

>i7-7700K
>No graphic card for now, I'll buy a solid nvidia one someday when I'll have the money, will just do desktop thing using the i7 iGPU in the meantime
>Z270
Which one should I get it? I don't know shit about motherboards and I'm not sure which one would suit my needs better. Ideally I'd like to go up to 16GB of RAM, so enough of that. I'll never crossfire 2 GPUs so just one slot is needed. If I could plug my screen on the mobo that could be great though (because no GPU). Please ask me questions if you need more infos on my needs.
>DDR4 2x4 8GB RAM 2400hz (or 1x 8GB if only 2 slots on the mobo)
>cooler
No idea what to pick. I don't plan on OCing until my CPU is at least 4-5 years old because I'll genuinely have to before that point considering what I plan on doing with my computer. So with that in mind, I don't need a 100€ cooler system, still, I'd like something decent.
>Thermal paste
Should I just use the one that'll be with the cooler?
>SSD : Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5"
I heard it was the best so I'm going with that.
>HDD : Toshiba or HGST 2TO
Might buy it at a later date and just go by the SDD and my old HDD, so it's not urgent.
>EVGA (G2/3 series? / NOT NEX!) (Bronze/Gold) 500-550W
Is it good enough? Or perhaps should I aim 650W at least in case I end up buying a big GPU? No idea.
>Case : Fractal design (with dust filters*)
If it could come with fans already in that'd be perfect.

I don't think I'm forgetting anything. Sorry for being clueless and thanks for reading.

>>59376187
How do I get a job working in comfy motherboard design

>>59382345
Is it better?

>>59384013
Check out the MSI z270 SLI Plus

I know you don't need sli but this board is cheap and feature complete.

>>59383898
Isn't that the appeal of PC gaming though? Value?

There's a lot of broke college and high school students on this site so it's expected that a lot of anons will have serious budget limitations.

>>59383304
Things are cheaper in europe, idiot.

All the $ prices you're watching online don't include taxes.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/mngtRG
How is it? Planning on using this to last me for the next 10 years and such,

>>59383601
Games don't even make full use of all cores of current high end consumer grade CPUs. Don't expect your 88 thread dual Xeon E5-2699 v4 setup to perform better than an i5 in games.

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I have an old mobo on my second computer with only one cha_fan port but I want two case fans on it. The case fans I have are weird ones with 3pin connector but also male and female molex allowing you to daisy chain them. Is it okay to connect the other fan to the the 3pin cha_fan and then daisy chain the second via molex and have them both run at controlled speed?

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My friend wanted me to put together a build list for her that's less than £700, how did I do?

>>59384554
What does she plan on doing with it?

Would this be a good motherboard for a higher end gaming PC? I don't know much about motherboards.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157746&cm_re=1151_motherboard-_-13-157-746-_-Product

>>59384572
"It will be for gaming, the occasional web browse but mostly just to play steam games and the likes."

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R5 fucking when

>>59384599
In that case I think it's pretty good, just make sure the board has 4 RAM slots in case she needs to upgrade in the future.

Does she need both the SSD and the HDD? Especially 2TO? There's more value in buying 256GB SSD than a 120GB and who knows it might be enough for her. Doesn't she have a HDD she can re-use for data storage?

Other than that it looks good, though it depends what she means by steam games, if she means to play big AAA games she won't be able to play them in extra settings of course.

>>59384699
This will be her first computer, right now she uses a laptop so it'll be a big step up in terms of gaming. I just selected a 2TB for her game library so it'll be plenty, and the SSD for her boot drive.

>>59384592
Looks good to me. Generally if the board has everything you need, it'll be fine.

>>59384554
>v300 SSD
Get this if you really hate her.
The kingston v300 is worse than the worst chinkshit

>>59384763
What SSD would you suggest for that price range then?

>>59384740
>>59384778
Oh yeah indeed I forgot to say this, as anon just said get Samsung for the SSD, don't buy some crap one.

Should I get a GTX 1060 if its cheaper than a XFX GTR RX 480?

>>59384778
If you're super cheap a Kingdian is the best chinky ones, I'm using one right now they're fine.
Or if you'd prefer to not put your money on the proud chinese, then Adata is another good option.

Is it feasible to build a top tier gaming computer on an mini ITX board?

>>59384646
Will the r5 drop the prices across the board?

>>59384798
>>59384821
I think for budgeting purposes, I'll stick with the V300, thanks anyway.

>>59384839
Maybe. Probably not though.

>>59384646
My guess is May.

>>59384843
Sticking with the v300 is a big mistake.
Seriously, you must really hate that woman.

We're talking garbage here, we're not talking 'slight difference' we're talking extreme garbage.

>>59378670
i have that card (or the x3)
it's good
it's huge and heavy but it's a common thing for this kind of card

>>59384843
Then in that case discuss with her about the build itself. Ask her how much space she needs, explain to her what a SSD is, like how Windows and her games are gonna load super fast, and if she'd prefer put the money into it to then buy a HDD at a later date if she needs more room in the future, etc... Some people absolutely don't need 2TO.

It's a 700 bucks computer we're talking about here, don't buy her some crap.

>>59378914
could just get 2 crappo hdd and put it in raid would work just as gud as an ssd

>>59384193
Very fucking helpful reply, faggot. Thank you.

>>59384924
Alrighty, thank you so much. I'm just waiting for her to respond now.

>>59383220
>https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/Hx2df8
get 2 crappo hdd and put in a raid. it would cut the cost enough for 16gb of wam. dont get 8gb

>>59376153
my buddy wants to build a pc with a budget of $600 canadian. help me great wizard

>>59384924
this >>59378914

>>59384974
I've now opted for a 250GB 850 EVO, and lowered the 2TB drive to 1TB.

>>59384924
this i meant >>59384933

>>59385020
Why did you (You) me I was just shitposting.

G4560
B250
8GB RAM (2x4 if 4 slots or 1x8 if 2 slots on the mobo)
Some GTX or RX.

That's it.

>>59385070
didnt mean to great wizard T~T

Building myself a desktop again, I want to go dual monitor but this time I want a 144hz monitor, are here screens out there that look the exact same but one model is high refresh rate the other is just normal so my setup doesnt look like shit?

>>59385097
Symmetrically branded, same size dual screen setups actually look more retarded to me.

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Got a PNY 1080 XLR8 how badly did I do ?

>>59385129
You probably overpaid for it since you couldn't be bothered to even post the price.

>>59385152
about 483 US / 650 CAD
purchased before the announcement of the TI/before the announced pricedrops.

Hi guys. I want to build a new PC. My main PC a the moment is a prebuilt with a Sandy Bridge i3 and 4GB of RAM.

I would do a bit of multitasking, host some games' servers, a bit of gaming, and some rendering.

I don't want to buy Ryzen CPUs becouse of the bad single-core performance.

Should I buy a 6800K and an X99 motherboard, and then, upgrade them on September with X299, if it's worth?

Please teach me about liquid metals and whether it's worth it or not.

I have a 1070, want a new monitor
1080p/144hz or 21:9 1440p/100hz?

>>59385226
The fuck?

>>59385447
What?

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Critique this build, please. Tasked with putting together a gaming pc for $1400 that will be a solid gaming machine for at least the next four years with intent to upgrade components at that time. I have all ten of these parts in a NewEgg cart for $1455 which includes the tax and shipping and rebates.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mnK42R

>>59385594
I mean, do you have a budget or anything faggot? You want to go ahead and drop $1000 on X99 and then take a massive haircut on it in 6 months by transitioning to X299? For "a bit of multitasking, a bit of gaming, and some rendering"? lel. Fucking have at it, m8.

Which mobo for a G4560 build:

Asrock H270/Z270 Pro4 - $100
or
MSI B250 PC MATE - $90

Both have intel LAN. Asrock has better sound. MSI is cheaper and has some better ports. Noticed most low-end Asrock boards don't have USB 3.1 gen2, just gen1 (3.0). Anything to be concerned with, given I don't run usb devices that need that kind of bandwith atm? Which manufacturer has a better reputation/better BIOS?

Haven't built a pc since 2006, sorry if I sound retarded.

>>59385628
as much as i hate the term "future proofing", 4 years sounds like a stretch even with a 1080 purely based on a friend who got a 980 on release (and in september it'll be 3 years), right now it's "fine" for 1080p but more and as more triple a games (worst case scenario) are coming out it'll probably start hitting the threshold of just about 60fps right before the 4 year mark.

I say get yourself a nice 1070 non-reference and sit on a comfy (factory or manual) overclock for the next 3 years. Chances are you'll most likely not run into any vram problems ever unless you do 1440p+

>>59378828
>>59378914
hey im the original anon you replied to. ty for giving me a list to work with. i made some adjustments and am wondering if its alright. other anons pls criticize as well.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HgLsxY

So I got 2 upgrades paths

Sell gpu and monitor and buy a Ti and a 34" ultrawide

or

Buy a 1080p/144hz, some Klipsch speakers, 8Tb of storage( HDD, data hoarder), 500gb SSD, mkg keyboard, headphones and a dac


ATM I have a i5 6500, 3TB HDD, 120SSD, generic keyboard and Hyper Cloud II and a 1080p/60hz monitor

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>4k freesync 2 screens when?

At this rate, never ever despite all the various parts of the spec existing for a while nobody has bothered to glue them all together.

That aside (and relevant to this thread) talk dirty to me about 38mm 120mm fans (or for the whole two that exist, 140mm 38mm thick fans with 120mm mountings). I've got a silver arrow i'm planning to bolt to my ryzen build (asus you fucks get some boards built) and my goal is to see what the limits of air cooling can do for the chip and - perhaps just as importantly - getting plenty of airflow over board vrms.

Pic semi-related, its a fan I have that I ripped out of a old dell office box but I can't seem to get pwm working properly.

>>59385795
>H270
H boards are meme boards.

You can't OC the pentium I believe so B is enough but if in the future you'd like to upgrade to an i5 or 7 the Z would give you more options. I'd go with the Z just to be sure.

hey is it true the gtx 1080 is BTFO by the radeon rx vega ? and that the vega is going to be cheaper too

Build me the ultimate RGB build /pcbg/

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>>59386071

Ask again in 3 months.

>>59386123

https://www.razerzone.com/gb-en

>>59385847
buy the gpu and monitor.

I play mostly simulation games like Sims 3 with multiple expansions running simultaneously and hopefully planet coaster.

Is the G4560 meme right for me?

I'm sitting on a 2500K + 390. Haven't felt the urge to upgrade GPU this generation, but I've been thinking about Ryzen. I run a lot of number crunching programs (which I write myself), but the quad-core Intels never seemed like much of an upgrade and the likes of 6900K, 5960X etc were too expensive.

Get Ryzen now, or JUST WAIT and upgrade my GPU with it?

>>59386144
it is.

heres a nice build for you.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/d4HhZ8

What are some 100 series intel mobos that have confirmed updated bios/ support for kaby (G4560) out of the box? I heard some do but its a gamble which one you get from the warehouse

>>59385840
put in $30 more to get a corsair h1001 v2 cpu cooler and your build will be fine.

>>59386160
just wait. even if you upgrade your cpu now that 390 will bottleneck your cpu.

>>59386144
>>59386196
fixed some stuff

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DC8rnn

>>59386160
just wait.

>>59386460
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DC8rnn
I can't get MSI because the shop im getting the GPU from doesn't offer it. Should I go PNY or EVGA?

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just when I was gonna pull the trigger on a pg279q samsung unveils a 144hz 1440p monitor with HDR and quantum dot
more waiting I guess

>>59386627
sure, just get the 1050 ti.

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>>59377152
Because cores are a meme

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>>59378794
>I was thinking about streaming as a hobby, hence the 1700 instead of a 7700k

Sadly the 7700k is much better at streaming

I just noticed that my RX480 from Sapphire sometimes reach 1.192 V voltage.

Is that normal? I thought that it should be 1.175 or something like that.

>>59387018
Then why do simulation games run better on systems with multiple?

Why do videos process better and faster? Why can you render 3D models faster?

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>>59387148
Why is everything else so slow?

>>59387231
I'm saying you can't say cores are a meme when they have situations where they are useful.

In video production they are basically mandatory

Is a i3 6100 with a gtx 1060 good for gayming?

>>59387353
Just get an i5.

>>59386696
>144hz 1440p monitor with HDR and quantum dot
Fucking sol--
>curved

It's garbage.

>>59380897
GAINWARD GOLDEN SAMPLE
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>>59387353
get an i5 or g4560, you're overpaying for an i3

>>59387231
>Talk about simulation and non-gaming workloads
>response with gaming benchmarks
Come I don't know if you're memeing or just retarded.

>>59383304
dunno about elsewhere in europe, but in my country the cheapest deal I see in any store for picrelated is 430 EUR, and 390 for the Armor version (whatever the difference be, color aside)

I've been looking to build a new pc for graphic design work, gaming, and casual use, but on a tight budget. I started browsing craigslist to find a decent starter one to upgrade over time when i got more money.
I came across this one
https://salem.craigslist.org/sys/6028544502.html
and it doesn't look half bad for the price. I'm new to building and whatnot so I don't know the best.

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>>59388453

>>59388679

meh, it's okay.

>>59387397
they even have a non curved version too

>>59388679
>to upgrade over time
I don't think that's something you'll upgrade really. It's something you'll buy and use until it dies.

It's not bad RIGHT NOW but soon enough it'll just be an old outdated computer. It might not sound much but these 300 bucks could be invested into something more future proof and more than anything not a secondhand thing.

>>59388802
Alright, that's better.

Still needs a 16:10 version though.

>>59388863
16:10 is dead son
time to move on

>>59388887
They'll have to pry it from my flabby, cheetoed hands.

>>59387100

Anybody?

The highest reading was 1.2V, I just wonder if thats normal and maybe my high temperature readings are because of too high voltage. I didnt ran any overclocking stuff or anything.

>>59385129
I just got the 1070 version of this card for 320.

I got a msi b150 and a i5-7500. This is the first comp Ive ever built. Did I fuck up because Ive read things about the mobo not being able to support kaby lake out of the box and that I need a skylake to do a bios update?

>>59387100
>>59389004
Check the BIOS? I read someone earlier on whatever forum I happened to browse who had his mobo send way too much volt into his CPU.

>>59389279
I'm sorry but yes. A b250 would've supported it out of the box.

I do not know how to update the bios.

>>59389279
>Ive read things about the mobo not being able to support kaby lake out of the box and that I need a skylake to do a bios update?
This is correct.

1. Hope it works (there's a chance it shipped with latest bios)
2. return CPU and get 6500
3. return mobo for b250
4. purchase and return a cheap skylake (which is scummy and you may not get refund
5. borrow skylake from a friend

do more research next time

>>59389279
nah.

just update the bios with a flash drive.

you can download the updates from their website, extract on to the flash, go to your new computer bios and follow the directions.

>>59389480

But check for what in particular? My mobo is Gigabyte Z170-HD3P, by the way.

If I want to buy a memewide, what would be the bang/buck gpu?
Want to gaym things like Shadow of War and Mass Effect Andromeda

>>59378828
Shit I got a Dell XPS 8910 with these specs for $850 on the outlet. Not worth building when it was the same cost or less for a prebuilt with warranty.

>>59389528
He'd better return the mobo and get a b250 than return the 7500 for a 6500 though.

>>59389556
The voltage inputs. Your mobo might be set to send too many volts into your GPU. There are options for these things.

This is just my uninformed opinion.

>>59376071
I need help /g/ I'm tired of my old ass pc not being able to play games, watch videos at 1080p and always chugging during just about everything I do. I want to upgrade but don't really feel like spending much so I'm just going to add to my current pc. I have a Dell Vostro 200s it is listed as the pc case. Any help or feedback would be great.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CM2mJV

>>59389546
you can't do that you sped

>>59389582

what's a memewide? rx 480/gtx 1060

>>59379981
Virtual cores don't work that way, you can allocate in general 2 x the physical core count and in some cases 4 x due to how processing is allocated. So there is no real limit of I have eight cores and my VM has two that leaves me with six more to use.

>>59389546
i dont need a processor to update?
>>59389528
how likely is that it shipped with the lastest bios?

>>59389608
you need to get a new PC. the monitor and storage you can keep. Rest is garbage.

Pentium G4560 $65

B250 Mobo $65

8 gb DDR4 RAM $50

RX 480 $150

$330 solid upgrade.

>>59389625
he's wrong, and I'd say unlikely. my friend handles that stuff at his job and his anecdotal statistic is 5%. Definitely definitely less than 50%.

>>59389610
>you can't do that you sped
t. dumb nigger

>>59389673
proof or you're retarded

are apple computers the only one that has that double resolution screens (aka retina ready)??
i kinda think its healthier for my eyes but i would be so sad if its apple only...

>>59389760
retina is a marketing scam. do ur research

>>59389610
Ultrawide, 3440x1440p 100hz

>>59389643
so the upgrade I have listed for it is useless?

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 $11.00

Kingston 120GB 2.5" SSD $50.88

Zotac GeForce GT 730 4GB $68.99

Keep in mind that I only need it for light gaming and video streaming, everything else it does just fine, aside from the constant throttling

>>59389663
>>59389494
Thanks, I thought I had no options for an itx b250 with wifi, but somehow I just found one, so Ill order that and return the b150

>>59389831
Listen to him. Won't get better value than what he listed.

>>59389789
so its not good for the eyes?

>>59389831
>>59389868
With that said you can cut down the RX if you don't have the money, the G4560 has an iGPU (integrated graphic card) who's not bad at all if you just do light gaming.

Then later you can buy a real one. Just make sure you can plug your screen on the b250, so pick a version that can.

>>59389868
kek, I was just being curios but ok I'll look into getting something like what he listed thanks

>>59389801
Oh, get a 1080 or 1080ti.

>>59389831

that PC is garbage

>>59389849

is it an itx build? if not, youre retarded, if so, nice

>>59389868

thanks b

>>59389869

being not in front of a computer screen is good for the eyes.

>>59389898
>>59389868
>>59389912
Thanks /g/ almost wasted my money

>>59389912
yea it is man
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RCpHsJ

>>59376187
Lmao your dad is nothing
My dad works at amd and they're developing a motherboard with a gatrillion terrabytes of ram with 720 cores!

How much would a perfectly balanced (not gaming priority but still...) PC cost nowadays for a power user? $800? More? Less?

>>59390026
$400

>>59390059
just tell me which processor my good man

>>59390071
Celeron g1840

>>59390084
ty anon

>>59384174
Have more than 500$? Build a cheap pc and slowly upgrade.

Have less than 500$? Then get a console
Shit parts of it are
Its a locked pc
Paywall ftw
No upgradeability unless you feel like dishing out another 500$ for a slightly faster version that will more than likely be outdated in a few years

>>59384174

Yes, value. Not cheapness.

PCs offer more bang for buck, but the buck is higher.

>>59389940
nice

>>59390026
that's not a good question

>>59390125
he's having a laugh mate

>>59390329
this

>http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-4790K
What's the caveat here? The older i7 seems to be performing very good in benchmarks and overclocks higher.

>>59390393
it's been proven you can make a PC better than the PS4 pro for cheaper. keep in mind PCs can do much more than consoles can, but for the 80% gamer you can find much better value

>>59390462
first caveat is that cpu boss is a retarded, useless website.
2nd is the data is incorrect.

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Haswell-vs-Skylake-S-i7-4790K-vs-i7-6700K-641/

4790k is a nice CPU but 6700k edges it out

>>59390538
>https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Haswell-vs-Skylake-S-i7-4790K-vs-i7-6700K-641/
Ah, thank you.

>>59390642
my pleasure

>>59376187
>They're working on a motherboard that will let you SLI processors
amd quad fx

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>>59390490
Nope
More like 700$ to even just skim 4k resolution with a stable 30 fps

Should I get a nice pair of headphones and dac or sell my gpu and buy a 1080Ti?

Atm have a 1070 and a x34 predator

>>59390710
1070 is more than enough for todays games
But if you want 4k 1080ti is a nice pick if you got the money

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any of you fuck with small form factor htpc? was thinking of getting something like this, using an ssd i already have

>>59389831
>>59389643
>>59389898
>>59389912
How's this https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/R9KXWX

Later down the line might upgrade to a 480 or maybe something else

could someone list a hackintosh compatible system pls, been hearing alot about them so I'd thought I would finally try it out.

Currently I have
i5 6500,h170 board,8gb of ram,120 ssd, 3tb of hdd, monitor 1080p/144hz and a generic mouse and keyboard
I´m looking to buy a korean ultrawide, a 500gb ssd, more hdd fo a NAS
What other things I can buy to upgrade?
Also, recomendations for mouse? I mainly play fps

>>59390709
ps4 isnt 4k LOL

>>59390709
>Implying a PS4 can run games at 4k in anything close to approximating "Ultra"

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>>59376187
>sli processors
You mean QPI? Something that's been around since PII?
>lying on the internet
>2017

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>Ryzen 1700
>G.Skill Trident Z 3200 C14
>EVGA 1080Ti FE
>EVGA SuperNova G2 1000w
>Samsung 960 Evo 256GB Nvme
>SK Hynix 500GB SSD
>Fractal Define S
>EKWB X360 Kit
>Logitech G300S
>Tomoko Mechanical keyboard

Still waiting for a X370 board....
>mfw

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what's the cheapest haswell/broadwell/skylake 4c/8t xeon, still the E3-1231 V3?

is it still recommended to get the old sandy bridge 8-core xeons?

compatible motherboards are so expensive and don't have modern I/O though

fuck

>>59390872
I'm pretty sure the Pentium already has a cooler coming with it, you don't need to buy an extra one.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/8gKhP6/intel-pentium-g4560-35ghz-dual-core-processor-bx80677g4560

>Includes CPU Cooler
>Yes

Kingstone is bad get Samsung.

Your B250 is quite expensive (but maybe that's because idk much about CA$), you can get a cheaper one. Just get one with 4 RAM slots.

Your PSU should at least be Bronze.

Get 2x4GB RAM or 1x8GB RAM if the mobo only has 2 RAM slots. If 4 slots when building her PC mount the RAM in dual channel.

Sooo now that Ryzen and some benchmarks are out, I narrowed it down to 1700X vs 7700K vs 6800K for my new build (bit of gaming but mostly editing 4K + AE). About the same prices. Here's the clearest and most informative bench I found, specifically for video editing :

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Premiere-Pro-CC-2017-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700X-1800X-Performance-909/

Thing is, I'd go for the 1700X here as I don't thing I'll use warp stabilizer that much and consider previews and rendering more important.

Except there's the 6800K, which is not in the test. And it has 6 core, compared to the quad core of the 7700k. More cores = best for editing and AE in general, right?

So yeah, I think I'm torn between the 1700X and 6800K.

Please save me, been thinking about configs for a week now but I'm a normalfag.

>>59391363
the 1700X is better

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Okay guys I've been out of the PC world for a long time. Basically since the HD 5850 was a new GPU.

My current computer has a 4850, Athlon X2 1.9ghz, and 2 gb of ddr2 RAM.

Literally all I want is a computer that can play Moba's and Youtube at the same time with seamless alt+tabbing between the two. This build should include a good 1080p monitor but I already have a HAF 912 case and storage HDD's.

Not looking for a build but rather a price range that would cover my needs. I can do the rest.

>>59391101
>ryzen 1700

LOL

>>59391205

yes, yes, xeons r lame ik

>>59391363

cheaper of the two

>>59391450

Case- $30-$200
PSU: >$100
Video card: 1050ti should work, or RX 470/480 or GTX 1060
Processor: G4560 + cheapest B250 mobo
SSD boot drive
8 gb RAM

Run you like $500-600

>>59391450
Knowing said price range would help....

>>59391363
1700X, if you're not overclocking. If you want to pull the dick out of your mouth and save some money, 1700.

>>59391506
Thanks mate

>>59391516
I was asking for a price range.

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>>59391506
>LOL
Butthurt that I'm not paying dues to the Jews? Let me know when they've brought their prices back down to reality.

>>59391740
ok pajeet funny jew meme, praise vishna

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Can I get some feedback if this is a good build or not for gaming at 1080p with 60fps at at least high settings? My budget is roughly $1000

>>59391450
Get a 1050 Ti if you're looking for budget GPU card.
460 is garbage.

>>59391516
Not overclocking nah.
Is the 1700 that close to the 1700X? Or did I misunderstood?

>>59391798
looks fine, id pay up for the cryorig h7

>>59391798
I think the 1060 is a wee bit overkill for 1080p 60fps highest settings. Try a 470 instead, or 1050 Ti.
But better safe than sorry, so stick with the 1060 if you really can afford it.

>>59391836
are you retarded?

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>>59376187
>>59376207
I'm from the future, here it is

>>59391841
?
The 1060/480 are more than enough for 1080p. They're 4k entry cards.

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I just recently completed a build and my wifi has high ping spikes. I tried using an old wifi adapter I had to do the test in pic related and it was actually lower spikes than my giant antenna adapter. Can anyone help me out?

Going to build a system around a i7-7700, since it's no-OC able and i have no interest in SLI-ing, is there any point in getting a z270 mobo? Should i just stick with a B250 model? Last rig i built had SATA 2 and no USB 3 so very keen to build something i won't regret in 2 years (heap of latest spec USB, PCIe M.2, etc)

>>59391871
>They're 4k entry cards

No.

>>59391871
the 1060 is crap. the 480 is a nice card for 1080p maxed, 1440p high/medium/ultra mix, but youll need 2 in SLI for 4k at high+ settings
I run 1440p maxed at high FPS on two 470s and it works nicely but i wish i waited for these cheap as fug 480s everywhere

>>59391910
>>59391871
>>59391841
>>59391836
I went with 1060 since a friend recommended it to me and the CPU as well since that's what he uses and he says everything's buttery smooth. I figured since I've been running with a gts 440 for for 6 years I should just roll with the 1060 since it will last me quite some time.

>>59391899
>B250

>>59391943
are you retarded? 480s do crossfire, and that doesnt get near 4k. the 1060 beats the 480. people here are fucking ignorant

>>59391947
Get the 6 GB version then, or the rx 480. They're about on par.

1070 > 480 >= 1060 6 GB > 1060 3 GB > 470 > 1050 Ti > top lel > 460

>>59391961
Sure it does. I've owned all 3 cards, also have 2 980gtx and 4 r470s currently. The 1060 is shit and drops to low FPS too often, i returned it

>>59391988
wrong. 1060 3gb beats 480 in more than half of games

>>59391995
not even close. youre talking out your ass

this is why people you need to do your own research

>>59391961
H270 then, not my fault the naming conventions are fucking retarded and easy to mix up

>>59391819
Me again, done some research
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/03/08/amd_ryzen_1700_cpu_vs_1700x_review/2

So let's take encoding as an example, they say 1700...wins? Then why is the 1700X more expensive, what's the difference?

>>59392011
>>59391995
>>59391988
>>59391961
How would one go about researching if the 1060 > 480?

>>59392085
digital foundry videos has the 1060 outperforming the 480 in almost every game.

>>59392085
by running benchmarks. my job. 1060 wins except for DX 12

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Um guys, I need help

I have a friend who's dead fucking set on only spending $400.

What do I tell this poor soul? He wants to play that h1z1 king of the kill game.

>>59392118
either get a used deal or you're screwed

>Fuck. Why am I so poor.
I can't find a monitor under $200 with a display port, 1080p, and 60MHz or above

>>59392235
And built in speakers.

>>59392250
don't do built in speakers

>>59392235
Have you checked amazon?

I have an i5 3570k I overclocked a bit to 4.3ghz

Is it worth me upgrading my CPU I've had it for so long but it seems like it's still fine for games

>>59392370
its good

>>59392349
Why not
>>59392357
Yes. I might have found one

>>59387056
Uh, the 7700K clearly loses a higher percentage of FPS. Given that he knows not to expect higher framerates to start with on Ryzen with most games, streaming would be more consistent with that baseline.

>>59384013
Why would you even bother with a 7700K, just get a 1700 or a 1600 when the R5 series is released soon.

GPU always bottlenecks the system, might as well get a CPU that is good outside of gaming too.

I'm probably going to pick up a 1600 when they come out in a couple of months.

>>59392489
because amd has terrible avx2 performance and sucks at emulation

>>59387266
Not necessarily. After effects, for example, relies mainly on single core performance

Redpill me on displayport

Why choose it over HDMI?

Not really build but...any laptop around 1100 $ max for 4k editing?

I'm getting an i7 7700 (not k) and an Asus h110m-d which apparently is shit. It's too late now but i wanna know: can the mobo bottleneck in some way / decrease the i7's performance or anything along? Or is it just bad because it lacks some ports or not-so-necessary features?
Help me get some sleep.

>>59392637
pretty much just higher bandwidth and can do 100-144hz with no issues at 1440p while hdmi is limited to 60 at 4k, so it depends on your use case, personally i switched over and it's wonderful just make sure you get certified cables or you could run into issues

>>59392637
>no DRM
>no return channels, audio passthrough or other bullshit
>often supports higher refresh rates and/or resolutions than HDMI, but this varies depending on which versions you compare

Do i get an ips 60Hz monitor or a non ips 144Hz monitor? 144Hz is $30 more.

Sry a newb question here, but is it true that the new kaby lake CPU's don't support windows 7 or is this some kind of meme?

>>59392867
Not supported doesnt mean it cant run it. Just means its mot guaranteed to run on it

So, are there any am4 boards coming out that actually support double 4x pci3.0 m.2? Basically looks like the msi boards support it and none of the rest? I get the feeling the msi boards don't truly support it either, or they had to sacrifice something to make it work. Would be interested if anyone else has some insight on this. Fucking hell this chipset would be fine if it just had more pcie lanes.

>>59392829
ips

What does /g/ think of my mini-ITX build?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Mrrvhq

Not a power machine, obviously, but it can still do a bit. Any advice/tips/recommendations would be appreciated.

>new build
>doesn't detect monitors
>doesn't beep at all
>still turns on

most likely the motherboard right?

never buying refurbished stuff again...

>>59385840
either upgrade the motherboard or drop the 7700k because you won't be able to overclock it

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I have been scoping to get a intel pentiun G4560 it uses DDR4 boards and found out there are some DDR3 boards as well.

Is there a downside to get DDR3 board? (aside from maybe a little performance loss)

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do any monitor manufacturers take dead pixels as a warranty claim or was i naive for thinking that?

bought an acer like 2 years ago that's accumulating them rapidly, checked the acer website and it's something their warranty doesnt cover.

that said, these dead pixels are bugging the shit out of me, so anyone recommend a good long lasting monitor?

not a professional gaymer or anything, just looking for
>23in or above
>good color reproduction
>low response time (at least under 5ms)
>preferably under 200
>bezel-less
>able to be bought from Best Buy (online is ok)

So I'm just now becoming a pc gamer after playing consoles my entire life and this is what I'm building. It's color theme is white and purple and it's exactly in my budget. Anything I should change?

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Akito_The_Fox/saved/ycvmGX

Does anyone here with a Kaby Lake processor run Win7? Really don't want to migrate to Win10 on my new build.

>>59393712
You can get a better deal on that card, you can usually get a 480 for less than 200 if you look.

If it was me, I'd junk the cpu cooler and HDD and get an SSD instead. Doesn't make game fps go any better, but makes computer much faster and has been worth it to me

Anyone know if i'll be able to fit 2 fans at the top if I get a 460x corsair case with a noctua DH15s cooler?

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I just purchased this:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/J3C8Cy

Have I done the right thing?

yes or no? http://www.ebay.com/itm/292041166887
My 750ti just died.

>>59394199
Can your power supply handle it?

>>59394119
Check the serial number and make sure you didn't get a housefire EVGA 1080.

>>59394208
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/292041166887
I think so I have a EVGA 600B psu.

Asking a random, general question:

How durable are computer cases? How liable are they to break down and fail on you?

>>59389608
>>59389643
>>59390872
>>59391294
Sorry it took me so long to get back anon, but I think I finally found the right set up

>>59394627
opps forgot the link.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/chkfCy

Any particular PSU makers to stay away from?

>>59394643
Look up psu teir and it will tell you what to buy or not to.

Does anyone have any good reference projects where an old (late 1990's or early 2000's) laptop was converted to use modern hardware?

Has anyone built a laptop from the ground up?

>>59394693
>Has anyone built a laptop from the ground up?
Would be extremely hard to do, that being said I've thought about it but came to the conclusion that it was to much work for me kek

>>59394799
yeah I'd only do it if resources existed but it seems like the only custom laptops are made by some guy named hope in china who retrofits old thinkpads to use modern hardware.

It would be sick to have an old thinkpad running powerful hardware but it seems like a bit much.

Can i get some opinions on this build? Gonna use it mainly for gaming.
CPU: Intel Core i5-7600K

Motherboard: MSI Z270 Gaming Pro

RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB 3000MHz

Graphics Card: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080

SSD: Samsung 960 Evo 250GB

HDD: Toshiba 3TB HDD

Power Supply: EVGA GQ 80 Plus Gold 650W

Case: Corsair 400C Black Window

Cooler: Corsair Hydro Series h100i v2

Monitor: Acer XG270HUomidpx 27-Inch

Quick question /g/, i5-7400 or i5-7500? Is 18% difference in price worth a ~9% increase in clock speed and ~7% increase in real world performance?

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>>59378670
>that extra little fan

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>>59386123
I have an asus board and the claymore keyboard, set to change color according to my cpu temp.
It's pretty friggen sweet.

>>59396002
If you're already spending $200 on a processor, just spring the extra $40 for the 7600k. It's still going to be a beefcake in 5 years and worth the time to delid for better cooling. Non-k little-bit-downgraded processors are for office workstations, you should treat yourself better. Also, better resale value should you need to sell it some years down the road.

>>59385226
>Broadwell E
>2017
You might as well get ryzen

>>59389831
>gt 730 4gb
>4gb
Congrats, you fell for the meme

>>59396168
What about the motherboard? I can fit a 7400 into a cheap b250 mobo, but I would need an expensive z270 motherboard to oc the 7600k. IMO it's not worth it.

I saw someone claim there were $120 4k monitors. Can anyone confirm this?

Are there any 1440 monitors in the same range?

My current case is the Rosewill Challenger.

It maxes out at three 120mm fans (excluding useless side panel fans), has no radiator support, only has USB 2.0 on the front panel and has no window (inb4faggot).

I'm thinking of upgrading to the Phanteks Pro M Acrylic.

Should I do it?

LADS

What custom cooler should I get to overclock my R7 1700 to 4.0 or 4.1ghz?

Thinking an AIO would be the best as it could allow me to move my stock case fan at the front to the top.

https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VS228H-P-1920x1080-Back-lit-Monitor/dp/B005BZNDOO/ref=sr_1_6?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1489230490&sr=1-6&keywords=Monitor&th=1

Does this look like an okay monitor? I'm looking to get a second one for myself.

>>59396520
If you're skimping on performance to save money, why are you even going intel?

>>59392489
>why would you bother with Intel, go AMD
>why would you bother with the best CPU currently available
What kind of retarded shilling is that?

Are the B250/350 mobos the best price to performance ratio if you don't care about overclocking and don't need more than 16 GB RAM?

>>59397320
It's almost as if the concept of a budget is foreign to you.

Rate my build:
-Intel Core i5-6500
-MSI H110M Gaming Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
-Kingston HyperX Fury 1 x 8GB RAM
-Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB Hard Drive
-MSI GeForce GTX 1060 6GB
-Corsair SPEC-02 ATX Mid Tower Case
-EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply

I wanted to cut the price down a little, maybe switch the i5 with an intel i3-6100 and the GTX 1060 with a GTX 1050 Ti?

Mainly used for gaming.

>>59398388
i3 are of no use nowadays, the Pentium G is where it's at. So either go with the i5 and get a Pentium, no middle ground.

If you get the Pentium get a mobo that supports it.

>>59398388
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i3-6100-vs-Intel-Pentium-G4560/3511vs3892

Look, double the price for only being 6% better.

>>59398417
>>59398432
thanks, what about the rest?

>>59398561
You didn't specify the RAM frequency so I don't know, and I'm not knowledgeable enough in GPUs so I decided to not say anything.

Other parts look ok.

>>59398561
Buy 2x4GB RAM instead of 1x8GB. Skylake gains a lot of performance from dual channel and price difference between one stick and two sticks of the same capacity is very small.

>>59398601
the RAM is DDR4-2133

>>59398601
Skylake supports 2133MHz RAM, Kaby Lake supports 2400MHz RAM. Higher frequency RAM can be used with Z-series chipsets. Buy RAM with lower latency if possible.

I want to upgrade to a new video card from my GeForce GTX 660 OC, but I'm going to be keeping the same CPU Intel Core i5-3570K.

Which one would you guys recommend? I don't want to build an entirely new PC yet, so I'm just looking for an upgrade that won't be too bottlenecked by my old CPU.

>>59398645
It's good then, as anon said >>59398653.
But if you go for the Pentium G, get a b250 (or z270 if you have the money for eventual future K upgrade) and get 2400mhz RAM if you wish.

>>59398637
>>59398653
>>59399046
alright thanks for the tips

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I want to keep the total under $550.

Does this look like a decent build / should I replace anything?

I'll mostly be playing older games but I want the option to play the new Total War.

I am planning to build a PC for CFD research and light CAD works.
I was thinking about getting a Ryzen 1700, but only TH's review came up with CFD benchmarks (Euler3D, not even sure if they're any worth).
I don't even thrust TH.
Should I go with an i7-5820k+ or an i7-6800k instead of Ryzen?
Budget around 1200$.

>>59387231
why is amd not competing with a processor half the cost of the 1800

>>59389118
where did you but it from?

>>59399202
Get a Pentium G as everyone suggested so far rather than AMD crap. Same cost but better. Get DDR4 with it. Same cost too.

>>59399202
Get a 32 GB SSD to install your OS on, it's the biggest bump in performance you can get.

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Hi,

Running an i5 2500k with 16 Gb of DDR3 ram on a matx board. Problem is I need a Mitx system to fit my new chassi and don't wanna "Just wait" Any more for the raven ridge.

I mostly use Linux, browsing the web etc, do some programming but i sometime play games.

I want to be able to play around with GPU passthru to a VM running Windows, which I cant do now because i5 2500k, hence the processor is gonna need virtualization.

Is there a better bang for the buck solution except pic related? was going for amd and reuse my DDR3 ram in my current system but get the feeling a FM2+ like A6 or something is the same price but worse performance then the G4560 just to save a few bucks on RAM.

I have GPU, HDD, PSU etc, just need an mitx solution. To use while i wait for Raven ridge...

9 SEK ~ $1 btw.

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Does this check out?
First PC in terms of builing. Not really sure if I really need the "K" of the i7 or if the graphics card is good enough
I just want this PC to last a while.

>>59399540
K procs are for overclocking. z170 (may need to flash BIOS) and z270 mobos support that. They're roughly the same price, so consider a z270.

I'd get an SSD instead, unless you store lots of data. I'd also get a lower wattage, Gold-rated PSU. I don't thinm you need 750W, but PCPP will tell you.

Might want a better cooler if you're overclocking too. Does that case come with fans?

Anyones ever buy from a Frys? I want to go buy a GPU from them since I can simply go pick it up today, but I've heard their warranty/return policies are horrid.

>>59399110
No problemo Anon, I hope you enjoy your future build.

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I built my pc back in late 2011 and haven't upgraded anything since. It's still going strong, especially the i5 2500k at 4.5ghz. I'm not sure if I should upgrade some parts, or just save and build a new pc. I definitely need a new gpu. I have around $600 right now to spend.

>>59399615
Yeah the case' comes with 5 fans, that's the most I've seen, and PCP says 316W so yeah I guess I go lower on that too.
I also doubt I'll ever overclock, just went with the K because it's just a $40 difference from the regular one

>>59399540
you didn't say what you are going to use the pc for. If you want it mainly for gaming i'd suggest getting a slightly cheaper i5 and a slightly better gpu. Also a ssd and a gold certified power supply, you really don't want to jew out on the psu.

Gaming, could you recommend a good gpu?

>>59399716
Buy a good price/performance gpu (RX480 or 1070), upgrade RAM to 16BG 2400MHz, CL 10/11 and you'll be fine for the next couple of years.

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RX 470 or 1050 ti

>>59400346
470 with no second thoughts.

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>>59400346
>RX 470
neither..

>>59400402
Then for <$180 what would you recommend

>>59400430
A used 1060.

>>59400059
you'll be fine with the 1060 honestly, but with your setup i'd spend the extra bucks for a 1070. The gpu is the bottleneck in gaming which means it's not ideal to spend 330$ dollar on your processor and only 260$ on your gpu.

>>59400346
Just get the 4GB RX 480

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814126135&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=

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HELP ME

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PG4g4C

Already decided on
>i7-7700k or i5-7600k
>Zotac Nvidia Geforce GTX 1070 Amp! Extreme
>1440p 144Hz monitor, probably Dell S2417DG

Aiming for 1440p/60fps.
I need help finding
>a good cooler for the CPU
>good DDR4 RAM
>appropriate power supply
>decent motherboard that works with all that

Any recommendations?

>>59401456
Ditto, kind of want to piggy back off this guys question.
Have a similar build, I'm just not sure of what motherboard to get.

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