/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

I've had it with my T430. The screen literally makes my eyes bleed when I'm programming.

How's the T460 with FHD display??

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First for new Telegram group chat

http://t.me/thinkpadgeneral

No Rules

X230 for 299€ with 8GB ram and a new 240GB SSD, deal or not? Prices are higher than in the US over here.

>>59302325
>>59302417
4th for ##ibmthinkpad @ freenode.

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EVERYONE POST YOUR IDLE/LOAD TEMPS

THIS IS NOT A DRILL

T420 45/75 HERE

>>59302518

no deal

which country

>>59302652
Dunno what idle was on my T430s but it was 77 max with 20+ tabs and screen recorder on LXLE

>>59302818

Considering x230s with 4GB ram and 320GB HDDs go for 210-230€ it seemed like a decent deal though.

France.

>>59302900
well, not worth nagging maybe, i'd say 250 but we are talking about 50e of a difference here. if its clean machine, 299 is still good.

Need a decent gaming laptop, I don't need anything amazing, but a 860MX would be good.
>Limit
450$
>Country
Czech Republic
>Preferred Brand
Dell, ASUS
Anybody got a good offer? 8GB RAM would be also preferred.

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The latch mechanism on my T420 broke.
How do you open it?

>>59302652
>T420
35-40 C idle
75-85 C under load (encoding with ffmpeg or playing 1080p BD with mpv under opengl-hq)

is there a win10 guide for t420 to get everything working? bluetooth led, mic mute led etc.

and also how did u guys get rid of lizard skin touchpad

>>59302892
I had a dream last night that you wrote a book.

>>59302982

paperclip or something to slide the hook?

My quadro 1000m can't even maintain 20fps overwatch on low so I disabled it. Newer Intel igpus gets like 80fps on low.

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>>59303113
There's nothing to grab.
Pic related, the red part got broken.

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Kinda wishing I'd spent the extra on the elitebook 820 instead, but fuck that it's an extra 50%.

What's the equivalent latitude and thinkpad to this? And how much is this going for in your country?

>>59303203
Enjoy your loud housefire

>>59303227
Excuse me?

>>59302652
I wish my dick was a rat

>>59302409

shit

>>59303203
>What's the equivalent latitude and thinkpad to this? And how much is this going for in your country?

Taking into account the U cpu, the Latitude equivalent would be a 6320, and Thinkpad equivalent would be a X220.

For that money I can easily get a used T430 in Slav Yurop, or a T520 in mint condition, or a beefed up X220 with new ssd and battery.

A 2170p is like $200 US max here. used, cant find it refurbished. Very few actually refurbished laptops here.

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>/g/ shits all over the L series
>Get L420 for free
>Best laptop I've ever owned

The only slightly annoying thing is the placement of the USB ports. Why the fuck did they put them so close to the front right where, you know, the mouse usually sits

Aside from that all the consumer laptops I've owned previously have been BTFO by this

>>59303798
It's only considered bad because it's just flat-out inferior to the T series and they're around the same price when buying used. If you got it for free, that's fine.

From the previous thread...

>I have a i7 x230 already, but I need something lighter/less noisy/has better battery

Just get a new 9 cell and slice.
You will regret getting a new X260 or X270.

opinions on t440 or t500? can get either for free but i have to choose

My Thinkpad smells like the inside of a second hand car from the 1990s

Did Lenovo do this on purpose to induce nostalgia?

>>59303033
install gentoo

>>59304386

T500 duh

Do all T440p's have non-soldered CPUs?
What is the essential difference between type 20AN and 20AW - is one the Nvidia one and the other the iGPU one?

Is it possible to replace x220 motherboard with x230t motherboard? I want that 3rd gen Intel

>>59304694
anon I told you already, sell the 220, get the 230 and switch the keyboard

>>59304405
It's just gravity melting your plastic thus the evaporated smell. See you in a year when suddenly you get a 90°c Intel monolith on your balls.

>>59304766
:(

>>59304694
No, it can't be done. You also can't transplant the regular X230 motherboard, because the X220 has a different port layout.

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>>59304897
Not that different

The touchpad has a noticeable delay and I can't cope with it.

>>59305184
Use the trackpoint like any sane person

>>59305184
nobody uses the touchpad

>>59303148

what's the worse that could happen if you use a crowbar? you cant get a lid for $24 and a palmrest for $18

>>59305336
>you cant

*can

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refurb x1, y/n?

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Anyone have issues getting to boot off USB? I can't even enter the BIOS screen. It says to hit Enter but it never works, goes straight to the pre-loaded Win10.

This is a refurbished X130e.

>>59305504
Fuck off

>>59305504
We're serious businessmen, we're not interested in some anarchist's paradise of porn and gore

>>59302652
X230T

Nothing running: ~45C
Browser+music+IDE open: ~55C
Youtube/anything CPU intensive: ~75C

Should I repaste? This thing is going on four years without ever replacing the paste. It just seems like such a bitch to do on this particular model.

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What ThinkPad costs <$200 but has tonnes of upgradability afterward?
Don't have much monies right now...

>>59305632

not really, almost normal temps for that model, but yea four years is a long time.

>>59305632
Turn off Turbo Boost my dude.

>>59305723
T420/30

>>59305723
Elitebook 8470p.

Can even upgrade to a quad core Ivy Bridge.

x220 with 8Gb RAM and 320gb HDD for 190€
or
x230 8Gb RAM and 120Gb SSD for 210€

Which one? I'm thinking the x230 for the 3rd gen processor but some anons seem to prefer the kb on the x220, but this isn't really a selling point for me as i have never even tried one.

>>59306180
I forgot to mention in my post. From sweden so prices are probably higher than what americans would buy them for.
Also since I'm buying it used in person I have a chance to inspect it first. What should I be looking out for to not get completely butscammed

>>59303138
Quadros aren't for manchild gamers.

I have a T420 and I was going to use my Dell D830's wwan card for LTE access but my the MC8775 card isn't on the "Lenovo approved" list. How would I get past this?

When people on here say they need a laptop for music production, how does the processor assist?

>>59306180
The way I see it, get a basic x220 and upgrade it if you just want a secondary 4chan machine, get an x230 if it's your only computer and you need to wring all you can out of it.

They're not joking about the keyboard though.

>>59305477
I think I'm going to just return this piece of crap. How do you ship something where you can't even get into the BIOS.

>>59306497
have you tried just doing F1. Enter interrupts startup and then usually do ctrl+s or some shit.

F1 should instead take you right to bios.

>>59306554
and also F12 to choose temporary boot device.

>>59306235
>What should I be looking out for to not get completely butscammed

audio jack, brightness levels, power button.

>>59306261

flash an unlocked bios.

http://www95.zippyshare.com/v/rBVD1Bf6/file.html

then run as admin

winflash.exe /sv /sd "$01C8000.FL1"

that's what I did, zero issues so far. there is no other option.

I'm not familiar with the linux procedure tho.

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What do? The lcd randomly disconnects. I reseated the cable but still happens from time to time

>>59306412
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_processing_unit

>>59306443
Thanks, looks like I'm getting the x220 to use as a portable shitposting machine.
>>59306618
Would you mind elaborating on those points?
Audio jack- Just check if it works or anything more?
Brightness levels- how bright? or also just general quality of screen?
Powerbutton- See if it powers on?

>>59306573
>>59306554
Didn't work, so I said fuck it and removed the power and battery, pressed power a few times, and put the battery back. Then it worked.

Welp time for TAILS.

>>59304386
have a w500 so basically a t500. if you can handle the weight get it

Realistically, how much for a x230 i7 with ips screen ? Europe
I'm looking at one with 8gb ram and a 500gb hard drive : 430 €

>>59303033
>win10
>everything working

again anon, you impress me with your attempts at comedy

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Alright lads, I'm looking into purchasing my first thinkpad, for general purpose use.

I'm currently trying to decide between getting a used T550 ($450 at http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T550-15-6-2-30GHz-8GB-256GB-SSD-Windows-7-French-/371761331385?hash=item568eb3bcb9:g:EP4AAOSwCGVX~pzu)
or a new T650 ($600 with coupon at http://shop.lenovo.com/perksoffer/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/t-series/t560/)

Can anyone experienced weigh in on this decision? Is a brand new model with better hardware worth the extra $150?

Alternatively, if both of the laptops I'm looking at are shit, please recommend a non-shit one.


Thank you

Whoever this is http://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/S58964753#p58976015

I put an SXGA+ screen in it as well as a post-fuckup NVS-140 board with a T9500. NMB keyboard, 256 SS PRO SSD.

Pretty comfy. This post is for you.

What would you guys recommend between a T430 and an Elitebook 8440w for about the same price?

>>59306817
take a picture of the connector and seat post it here.

or clean both with iso and lightish compressd air

>>59308282
>Is a brand new model with better hardware worth the extra $150?
No

>>59308282
>Alternatively, if both of the laptops I'm looking at are shit, please recommend a non-shit one.

Literally nothing you couldn't do on a T550 you couldn't do on a T420 or T520.

>>59306180
Just swap in an X220 keyboard.

Saw a t420 for 300 maple bucks( ~222 usd ) is that worth it guys?

>>59309302
The 720p screen is horrible.

did anyone here manage to get the trackpoint buttons working nice with hackintosh?

>>59309302
Unless it's already loaded with SSD and 16 GB RAM, not really. 150 tops

>>59309314
I'd use it for school only (CS) I already have a desktop

>>59308485
>>Is a brand new model with better hardware worth the extra $150?
>No
Unironically this. The new line has considerably higher fault rate than the older pieces.

>>59302964
>gaming
>laptop
ty jsi kreten

>>59309302
No chance, I (just last week) bought a T420 with a 120gb SSD for £94 off ebay, and it works a treat

Is it true Win7 provides the best battery life on xx30?

>>59308383
Can someone answer me pls?

>>59309488
You best start believing in think-pad threads, you're in one

any tutorials on replacing x200t screen?
someone said to look at the manual last thread but the manual on my model has no info about it

>>59308383
T430 for sure. The main reason to consider Latitudes or Elitebooks is that they're usually substantially cheaper for an equivalent model. The 8440w is two generations behind the T430, it's absolutely not worth the same price.

>feel like having a windows machine
>Thinkpad sounds good
>arrives, computrace
>can't be removed, but only works with windows
another macOS install it is

>>59305477
>>59307132
This is just some stupid bug with Edge models of that era. If you need to get around it in the future, removing the CMOS battery works too.

>>59303203

I would say x220 and 6320.

Be aware that the Latitude have terrible support from Dell, not even close to what Lenovo offer for old thinkpads. It mostly matter if you want to use Windows 10 and get all drivers working tho.

>>59303798
>>59303815

If you got it for free, that's fine, still much better than other used laptops. You should still try and sell it so you can buy a T430 series instead. You might even make money in the process.

Also, don't forget to install tlp:
http://linrunner.de/en/tlp/docs/tlp-linux-advanced-power-management.html

>>59303033

The touchpad is covered with a sticker, might be hard to remove.

For Win10, install the lenovo update manager and let it install drivers and utilities. It's essential for proper functionality and battery life.

>>59304694

All of them. But preferably a t430s

>>59309330
Programming on a low res screen sucks.

>>59305184
theres a setting for palm rejection in windows 10
turn that off
>>59305007
Huh I thought the x230/t used mini DP
if thats the case then you can just swap them out since the x220 and x220t use the same mobo (same with x230/t)

>>59310548
it does use mini DP

>>59310583
oh yeah then rip.
well unless you are fin without having dp

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why the fuck is Speccy showing my RAM at such a low speed? per what I bought this at it should be at like 2133 MHz (it's a P50)

>>59310808
>what is double data rate

>>59310823
what is it?

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>>59310841
here is a clue i have 3000mhz ram installed in my system and look what it shows up as

>>59310583
>>59310627
The x230 uses mini dp, the x230t uses full size

>>59310877
I see, thanks /b/ro...

would it be worth it to steal a x131 thinkpad

)))no I dont care that im stealing no I shouldnt return anything I steal I shouldnt care about other people I should only care for myself(((

>>59311005
Stealing from a store? or another person? only steal from stores.

>>59311055
why would I steal from a store that is so ridiculously retarded they have things to detect shoplifters, they have cameras, they have so much shit that they could catch you with

if I were to steal, I usually do it only one way: in a secluded area, nobody around, no cameras, and I go in and out. the computer is at a highschool ( I am a senior)

>>59311088
prison is full of thieves who thought they were too smart to get caught, anon.

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So I've got a question.

Have any of you ever considered buying cheap thinkpads online, doing them up a little bit (lets say RAM and SSD upgrade) then reselling them at a profit? Would the margins be too small to be worth it?

Anyone got experience with it?

>>59311317
You're likely to struggle to make it turn any profit at all, let alone make it worth your time. If you're just sourcing your thinkpads and parts off of ebay, absolutely anyone else has access to the same prices. The kind of person buying second hand laptops is going to at least know how to add more RAM.

The majority of listings on ebay come from IT disposal businesses that offer collection and purchase (at a low price) of old gear from companies who just want to write shit off and not have someone sorting their shit and flogging it off on ebay over the course of years.. If you want to make money selling chinkpads, this is your best bet really.

>>59302982
goddamnit I went to /s/ because I needed more.

Anywho, you'll most likely need a new palmrest or maybe lid? Idk if someone just sells the latches by themselves.

>>59303148
Oh that.
You could drill a tiny hole and jab a screw onto it. Or maybe crazy glue something random and let it catch to it.

>>59305723
>tonnes
Just get an i3 T520 and then upgrade the motherboard from a W520 lol

>>59308383
T430 will be much more lighter, 8440w is old, and I doubt the old GPU and weight will be worth it.

>>59311317
Sometimes I buy just to put back up and flip, but sometimes I would only net maybe 30% (I bought 5x T430 for $70 each and sold em for $100 each)

However, some laptops i take a risk on for an SSD and RAM that are faulty.

Like a Dell Latitude E6430 you can get them maybe for $70 or under and you can flip the mobo and cpu usually for that price. then the LCD is another $20, sub board $5, DC jack nets maybe $3, then frame and bottom pieces (if they are nice) $7 each

DESU some motherboards are expensive, especially 15" and 17" fuckers. but the risk of them not working sucks too.

>>59309325
>hackintosh


When will this meme end?

>>59311005
Just steal a bike or skateboard that isn't latched, much more easier.

Looking to pic up X200T soonish, wondering if the outdoor screen is worth the money/wait?

>>59302409
Is that with a 1600x900 screen?

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How does the Elitebook 2560p compare to the T430?

Elitebook will cost me 350, T430 costs 500

>>59311842
Not him but would a hd+ screen be so much better than a hd one? I've used a T420 with a hd+ screen and it's literally eye cancer, the Windows scaling is shit.

>>59311884
I dunno, never owned a ThinkPad, just asking to make myself more informed for when I make my purchase

>>59305454
>$223 import charges
nope.

Is it worth getting a water damaged x1 carbon?

What are the most commonly broken components due to water damage?

>>59312752
> What are the most commonly broken components due to water damage?
If you're asking this question - don't buy it.

>>59312781
Nevermind, it was missing it's harddrive and the seller isn't offering the power pack. the thing is fucked

>>59309325
Me with my T420 but i didn't do anything, it always worked without issues.

>>59309325
Is it double clicking? mcdonneltech guide should have the fix for that, assuming you're on x220

>>59311860
The 2560p is HP's equivalent to the X220, so the T430 will have a newer CPU with a much improved iGPU, optional dGPU, and the possibility of a higher resolution display. Screens are ass on both models, and unlike the X220 there is no IPS option for the 2560p. The knockoff trackpoint Elitebooks use can't compare to the original, and you don't get a middle mouse button for it either.

Overall, it comes down to how well-specced that T430 is and its condition. A base model with 1366x768, iGPU only, and a worn body would not be worth 50% more than a decent condition 2560p.

long story short, I want to remove my Thinkpads wi-fi card without (yet) installing a new one

is it safe to just take the fucker off and leave the antenna cables there, without connecting them to a card?

now I'm assuming that it is, I know of Thinkpads that have been used without a card installed

what's the dell and hp equivalent of the x230?

>>59302325
does that discount actually fucking work

x230 vs t430?

I'm gonna be typing a lot of papers and reading a lot of PDFs.
Planning to swap the keyboard for the older model.

>>59314211

430 if not just for more screen real estate

>>59313900

E6330

2470p

>>59314132

actually it's some sort of referal link. kek.


>>59314211

T530. thank me later.

>>59313900
>>59314278
>E6330
it's 13.3", sizewise the equivalent to X230 and 2470p would be the 12.5" E6230, which however has no clitmouse unlike the bigger E6*** dells

>>59314391
ah and the hp is 2570p, there's no such 2470p

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I know that you can transplant an X220 keyboard into an X230 and it will work, but will it work on an X230t?

>>59314606
Mechanically, that is.

>>59314615
Yes. The keyboards are the same on the Tablets and the normal version.

>>59314391

Yea I made a typo, I meant to say T520

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I decided to replace the crusty old thermal paste on my X220. It was fairly easy except for plugging the DC powerjack back in. The cable is so short that you basically have to have the motherboard almost in place to do it. It took me a half hour to fumble it back.

Using Arctic MX-4, it cut down my average idle temple by about 5 degrees Celsius and the load under Prime 95 about 7-8 degrees Celsius.

I have 2 4GB RAM modules for my x220

Should I upgrade that shit from 1333mhz to 1866

>>59315043
>The cable is so short that you basically have to have the motherboard almost in place to do it

I've replaced thermal paste on my X220 too. I didn't remove the power plug from the board but what I did remove was the lid. If you remove the lid putting everything together again becomes pretty easy.

>>59315157

No, get 2x8

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guys
redpill me on 9470m
is it good choice? will it run WOT?

>>59313868
yes, I did that when my wi-fi card died. I did tape ends of the cables just in case though(so that they dont touch each other or anything in the mobo)

>>59315157

That's up to you, but if you do, make sure to update your BIOS

For example: http://www.mediafire.com/file/94m8c5jdt2yoaft/X220+v1.43+Modified+BIOS.zip

>>59315396
Yep, that's the very first thing I did as I got my X220. It came with 8GB of RAM at 1333mhz.

I'm just wondering. Let's say I end up buying it, then I decide to sell this thing. Should I flash the original BIOS back? Would it have trouble with that RAM or just limit it?

>>59315440
It would only limit it

>>59313868
Of course it's safe. The cables lead to the antennas and these are passive so there's no current flowing through them

>>59315546
>these are passive

citation needed.

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Took a chance on X240 without much description. Cost me £206 total.

Only issues I've found so far is a small fracture by the keyboard, one of the usb ports is broken but still functions and a screw missing on the base. At first it was getting pretty hot but has dropped below 40 now possibly because of the missing screw near the fan.

How did I do?

>>59315690
are you really retarded or is this b8. I can't tell

>>59305454
Nay

>>59304525
Anyone?

>>59309355
Not for extremes.
Besides, I already have a pc and I'm not home often so the portability would help.

>>59311842
Yeah 1600x900 screen.

>>59311884
Scaling seems fine for me, but the picture quality is atrocious

My ram is just 798mhz, would it make a huge difference to go up to 1200 or 1600mhz?

>>59302409
text is too small to be readable. except if you upscale but then the higher res won't give you an advantage.

>>59315692
Seems like I fucked up. Bios has a password, I press enter and it worked. Computrace and Intel AT both say enabled but not activated but there's no way to change them and quite a lot of other things too.

Should I contact seller and get my money back or is there anything else I can do? Any help appreciated.

I peeled off that god-awful knobbly touchpad sticker on my T420 and it feels absolutely wonderful underneath... is it going to cause any problems if I dot have a protective layer over it?

>>59317537
your ram is already 1600mhz, it's not called Double Data Rate for nothing

Anyone here use one of the 15" thinkpads that have numpads? The trackpad+home row being off center looks like it'd feel weird. Is that the case? I guess I wouldn't be using the trackpad anyway because muh clit.

>>59317869
contact seller and ask for the password first

>>59317571
Doesn't matter as long as it's IPS and not TN bullshit

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Any UK fags want a genuine 65w charger? I have two of them, £10 shipped.

>>59318216
>tfw never used an IPS monitor so i'm fine with TNs
That being said the T420/30 screen is still bad but not THAT bad imo, however i can imagine what kind of hell that screen must be if you're used to IPS screens.

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>>59309355

I game all the time on my T400

An HD3470 isn't exactly a powerhouse but it's fun to play a game every now and then after work. Anyone who doesn't takes themselves way to seriously.

Asking /tpg/ for advice on a gaming laptop is pretty fucking stupid though.

>>59318181
I have a W520 at home and a T560 at work. Honestly the off-center thing does not bother me in the slightest, and neither do most aspects of the new keyboard (except for the way the function keys operate, I prefer the dedicated buttons on the T430). If anything I prefer the integrated numpad because I work with a lot of numbers and it's just way easier vs using the number row. The only people who are bothered by it are those who choose to be bothered by it, like how some people could not stand the fact that the T400 screen was slightly off-center. Autists, in other words.

>>59318216
>>59318529
If anything, the TN panels on the W series are superior to the IPS panels you get on many other Thinkpads. This is a bit of a think-truism.

>>59318566
>it's fun to play a game every now and then after work. Anyone who doesn't takes themselves way to seriously.

I quit vidya a while ago but that was just to make time for anime. Honestly though, most days after work the last thing I want to do is stare at a computer screen after already staring at a computer screen for hours on end.

>>59318797

>Honestly though, most days after work the last thing I want to do is stare at a computer screen after already staring at a computer screen for hours on end.

Fair enough

>>59318216
I really don't get all that TN hating. IPS is better, no doubt, but I don't see a reason to complain. ThinkPads weren't designed for neckbeards calling themselves tech enthusiasts.

>>59319101
Oh come on, IPS options are available for most models, TN is just there to save money when companies buy them in bulk.
Opting for an IPS model is the sane thing to do.

Any tips on soldering to a WSON-8 chip on an X200s / X200 Tablet? I like to think I have steady hands, but I've already fried one X200s.

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I own a t530. What should I replace my (pic related) dvd drive with? I never use it. Whenever I pull my laptop out of my backpack, the dvd drive opens for no reason and it's annoying as fuck. Is there any battery I can put in there, or is a second storage drive my only option?

>>59302325
what's the best thinkpad with a 4:3 screen resolution?

>>59319347
>Caddy with HDD or SSD.
>Empty caddy to store flash drives, adapters or weed.

>>59319383
I used to have an old X60, never let me down

>>59319347
Put your main HDD in there, since it's probably slower than your main port. And stick an SSD where your main Drive was located. Or go wild and do a double ssd setup

>>59319484
The T420 does SATA3 on both the main and optical drives with SATA2 on the msata port, doubt the T530 would have worse speeds.

>>59319383
14'' T61 motherboard and all upgraded goodies
>64 bit Penryn CPU
>8 GB RAM
>Middleton's BIOS for SATA 2 and removal of wifi whitelist
>Optional: non-timebomb Nvidia chip (these are rare)

This inside a T60 chassis with the beautiful 1600x1200 AFFS/FlexView 4:3. It's my dream machine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvcoPj6ILYA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m74otZqd2Y

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guys, next year i'm going to college and for years i had an old lenovo G530 3000, it has pentium t4200, which is "pentium core", i've looked for a thinkpad, and all i could found was 180 dollar refurbished thinkpad t420, 1 gb ram X model, and some chiclet keyboard ones in my country.

i need your advice, can i survive college with 9 year old laptop, if i can't would t420 be enough or should i look for chichlet ones? Old laptop's battery is also dead, i have to spend my shekels either way

>>59318205
Thanks, seller responded saying just press enter... will try and contact absolute next. Is there a way around this using a linux distro?

My laptop came with BIOS password + computrace. They're not linked, even with the password you can't deactivate computrace. So I reset the password by shorting the pins and installed macOS once I got sick of rpcnetp.exe and friends.

>>59319917
*20 series are fine, i still use my T420 as main computer with SSD+HDD+HDD inside and you can even upgrade the processor if you want.

>and some chiclet keyboard ones
Specify model, if it's a *30 then it's good too.

>>59319949
The thing is, if the bios has a password then by just pressing enter you'll be able to enter the bios but can't change any settings, including the boot ones.

>>59320032
this is up to whoever set the password, there are meta-settings

>>59320032
X230 for 205 dollar
T430 for 180 dollar
which one would be better for me
both of their ram is upgraded to 8gb, i really liked the price since everything in my country is generally more expensive
for reference, iphone 7 plus is 1127 dollars

x220
i5-2520M 2.50 Ghz
4GB DDR3
320GB SATA HDD
169€
or
T510i
i5-M540 2.53 Ghz
4GB DDR3
250GB SATA HDD
210€

>>59320253
which country?

>>59320253
x230 if you want 12", T430 if you'd rather have a 14" laptop.
X230 can use up to 2 drives, T430 up to 3 and you can upgrade the processor.
X230 has an IPS screen option and it's 1366x768, T430 only has TN up to 1600x900.
Both support up to 16gb ram.

pick one according to your needs

>>59320662
thanks anon, i will think about this
>>59320453
would rather not to tell, it's pretty shit

why does the display on my thinkpad 13 go dark for 1-2 seconds when I unplug the charger on windows (affects external displays too), it doesn't do it on mint. I've tried searching for the answer everywhere but with no results that work... it doesn't do it on my other thinkpad either (E430)

>>59320881
If it's anything like older Thinkpads, that'd be the display changing from 60hz to 50hz to conserve power. I don't think it does that on Linux automatically.

>x201 dies
>order x201s motherboard
>order x200s for 1440x900 screen
>want to use x201 fan (35 watts) with the x201s motheboard (25 watts)
>fan error
>screen on BIOS is only half-filled (even though the x201s could use the 1440x900 screen)
is it possible, guys? Am I doing something wrong?

Can a t430 use t420 batteries

>>59321714
No as it won't charge them.

>>59321714
It can discharge them, but won't be able to charge them.

Are there any advanages to the X201 against X220 except for bigger screen?

>>59321714
yes with the firmware mod

the same one that lets you the non chiclet keyboard if i remember correctly

>>59321861
> advanages

fuck iäm drunk

>>59321658
ah, that's what it was, thanks, it's been driving me crazy

>>59321861
cheaper, thiccer, different keyboard. Other than that, not much.

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Will something like this protect my memepad from using it while it's raining lightly?

rain is comfy don't judge me

I need a new laptop for school/research. I'll to be doing quite CPU intensive work, some DNA sequencing thing. Budget is limited, but I don't want to go for the absolute cheapest quality. Any good options?

>>59322211
>CPU intensive work
W series

>>59319917
>next year i'm going to college
>>>/global/rules/2

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I ordered a thinkpad t430s, but I want to get a back-lit keyboard for it. but the only ones I can find are for the t430 standard.
would this fit on the t430s? If not, does anyone know where I can find an alternative?

>>59322318
some of the people born in 1999 are 18 now

>>59322344
Just cover it with glow in the dark paint.

>>59322507
I know this was meant to be sarcastic... but could something like this work?

T420 with:
1600x900
- CPU: Intel Core i5-2540M
- HDD: 160GB Seagate Momentus 7200rpm
- RAM: 4GB

How much should I bid? Start with 150 euro?

>>59322756
Start with 150? 150 should be the buyout price. It doesn't even have an SSD.

>>59322830
Alright, I'll just message him with 150 being my final offer (there's no buyout).

Thanks mate

>>59321695
you need the right display cable too

>>59322756
>>59322880
really depends on the condition

if you can get it for 150, youre making a great deal

>>59322830
this is euro. if it's in good condition it might just sell for 250€

My x240 has seemed to drop in battery life quite substantially, it's only been in use for a year and I'm only getting 3-4 hours out of it with regular browsing. Is there anything I can do to improve battery without dimming etc, or should I just buy the 72WH battery?

>>59322942
I swapped out the whole hinge from the x200s, is that the wrong cable?

>>59318566
What do you play on your T400? Only thing I can run at a decent fps is CnC Generals with everything on low

>>59302325
I think I fucked up. Got a x230 from work and wanted to run

tlp recalibrate BAT0

because the laptop went out cold when reaching 3% earlier; decided that I will do it another time and ctr-c'ed it. Now my laptop wont turn on anymore.

Did I accidentally the whole?

>>59320057
>this is up to whoever set the password,


Usually the settings are locked, all used thinkpads I've seen behave like that: blank password = locked settings.

This is the first thing you should look for, I got a T420 once for cheap and it was literally half-bricked, no usb boot, no camera, no microphone, no bluetooth, no fingerprint scanner, the intel management stuff turned on, VT-D/X disabled, basically anything usefull was turned off and shit things were turned on.

>>59320426
X220

>>59322756
shit hdd,160 max

>>59323309
Take out the battery, disconnect the charger, press the power button, then connect the charger and leave the battery out and see if it works. it should work, otherwise email the flock of neckbeards who wrote tlp and ask them what it actually does, or browse the source code and see for yourself.

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>got 3x new 9 cells because fuck carrying around the 7''x4''x2.5'' 170w brick
>confirmed with 1~2 cycles
>5% wear level already on both of them out of the box

should i even bother recalibrating it?

also does turning off optimus in the bios use less power vs turning it off in windows?

>>59323517
>Take out the battery, disconnect the charger, press the power button
Tried that already, also pressed the power button for ~30s.

>>59320837
its an anonymous board you fucking pussy. You sound like a chilean piece of shit. Sorry, gotta go back to /pol/

>>59322168
The keyboard is not vulnerable to water, if you want to protect it from water you should look at sealing up the other seams.

>>59322830
>>59322946
>>59322955
>>59323517

The guy told me he wants 150 euro for it, without me even mentioning I wanted to bid 150. So I've decided to agree.

I already have a 256gb SSD. Any recommendations for upgrading RAM?

>>59324018
2x 8GB 1600MHz DDR3L sticks

>>59324035
Cheers lad

>>59323309
I guess I just ask the admin.

>>59323309
>Leenucks

>>59323545

I don't think it has anything to do with TLP. Seems like a coincidence.

>>59322344
Wut?
my T430s has backlit keyboard.

>>59323309
Speak in English and you may get a response.

Do all x220 batteries work on x230?

>>59324509
No

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got this for 250€, with blacklit keyboard and a 9 and 6 cell battery, is it ok?

>>59324562
>is it ok?

Why dont you niggers ask this BEFORE you buy it?

>>59321695
>fan error was because fan was put into wrong pins (4 pins, 3 connectors on the fan, had to shift to the left to get it to work)
>screen error was because of bad CMOS battery
All I have to do is replace the CMOS and it's fully functional. 8GB of RAM, too.
35 watt fan on a 25 watt CPU. This is going to run really, really cool.

>>59324971
In other news, is this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/391631141615
the correct CMOS replacement battery for the X201s? Is the seller reliable? Anyone else replaced a CMOS battery?

Does a T430 support full-hd in an external monitor?

>>59325038
Yes. The GPU is more than powerful enough for that, and displayport/VGA can drive full 1080p. If you're talking about 4k, then I don't know.

>>59318414
I'm down, where are you selling? also where are you, if you're close I might just pick it up

who t/w500 here? I've got a w500 and I still use it for cad assembly and light ray tracing

>>59323769
so speakers and the ones surrounding the touchpad right?

Is buying used batteries a terrible idea?

There's one Amazon seller who sells T420 compatible genuine 9-cells for $21, saying that all the batteries they sell were tested with Lenovo's power management software to ensure that they have a "good" status. Does that mean that the battery is at full capacity, or is there a status above "good"?

It seems extremely sketch but it's on amazon and the seller has good reviews.

I have an Inspiron 7959 with an i7 and a 960m, but I want to keep it Windows-only since I play games on it occasionally. Is it honestly worth getting a T430 as a backup machine to tinker around with Linux or should I just dualboot?

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In light of the CIA leaks, maybe it's time to finally switch to the successor of Unix.

>>59325753
"good" = what lenovo/windows power manager reports, aka it has at least like 40-60 % capacity left. if its not genuine then we're talking 40-60 % out of a chink capacity, which is 1-2 hours worst case scenario.

>>59325914
>to tinker around with Linux
get a X2xx

but I would get a T520 for lunix, had it before and the big screen was a plus for me.

>tfw can't find any decent priced X220 anywhere in Germany

>>59325753
I have a 6-cell that lasts like 40 min, according to lenovo power manager it's still "good".

don't

>get 2200 warning every time I boot
>try this
>https://sites.google.com/site/shaneucf/home/how-to-change-model-type-and-serial-number-of-thinkpad
>USB diskette fails to be recognized
at this point I just want to flash it with coreboot but you're supposed to get worse battery life using that and I don't have the equipment to do it right now
is there any way to save it?

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Kojima confirmed as a ThinkPad user.

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>>59326248
What model is he using?

>>59326130
>according to lenovo power manager it's still "good".

But windows says you should change the battery, right?

>>59326101
Monitor ebay kleinanzeigen

>>59326269
Thinkpad Cabron

>>59302325
Seriously guys(and girls?), what series can be considered as the "last good ThinkPad" and why:
http://www.strawpoll.me/12498119

Voting for **20 series
>old-style keyboard
>accepts any battery, genuine and non-genuine

>>59326685
>http://www.strawpoll.me/12498119
voting for **10 series
16:10, no IME, Coreboot compatible, good battery life, and usable performance for nowadays. Far less performant than the **20 or **30 series, but still good.

>tfw order T420 with 1366x768 screen and it comes with a 1600x900 one

feelsgoodman

>>59302531
does freenode still not mask IP?

>>59303798
it's relatively bad in the Thinkpad category
it's not complete shit

>>59303798

I don't know why, but a non-T/X Thinkpad just doesn't feel right.

Why do people hate modern thinkpads like the T470 that still have replaceable batteries and space to upgrade RAM/storage?

>>59327147
they suffered from many design mistakes that they lack the things that made ThinkPads good.

>>59327164
I always thought people just liked Thinkpads because they were easy to maintain, upgrade and had decent battery life while being durable. Are the new thinkpads flimsy or something?

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>>59326404
>Cabron

>>59327187
they are still maintainable and durable but they are slowly trying to become more like Macbooks than before
>soldered DRAM
>chiclet keyboards with lower key travel
>becoming slimmer over time

I bought a refurbished T530 and it's pretty nice but I'm having trouble with the weird textured touchpad. It's not very good at keeping track of your fingers placement and movement. Does every Thinkpad have it?

>>59327485
it's just a sticker. You can remove it without any issues.

>>59327531
Well shit, thank you. I wouldn't have assumed it was just a sticker. I'll do some Googling to find the best way to remove it.

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>got a free sample of magic eraser from sams club
>decide to use it on my thinkpad
>it immediately removes the gloss from the worn out kb&plastic, looks brand new matte now
>also works amazing on the lid

This needs to be in the op

>>59302325
Need to build/buy a laptop used only for on-line transactions/shopping.

What I had in mind:
>Thinkpad of course, T420 seems fine as it will be only used for one purpose.
>libreboot, OpenBSD, encrypted system.
>disabled (disconnected) cam, mic and anything else not necessary to run.
>VPN only, most likely NordVPN

Is there are guide to do something similar to my needs?

>>59327710
what kind of drugs are you selling

>>59327710
x200{,s} is libreboot compatible and comes with no webcam, only a mic (which I assume you can disable in libreboot).
On top of that, it has no proprietary code at all, assuming you flash with libreboot.
OpenBSD + Libreboot on a Thinkpad X200{,s} is probably your best bet for online security.

>>59327710
W520
5
2
0

>>59327710
x60, x200, and t400 are your only options that support libreboot
also there;s a dude on ebay that sells libreboot'd x200's i think, he also disconnects the mic
just look up libreboot

>>59327722
None. Just interested to protect myself.

>>59327737
>>59327772
Thanks, will research that now.

>>59327204
Is the carbon considered trash here?
I really like the aesthetics and would buy one if i got enough money, but was always wondering how sturdy they are, compared to the new x2*0 series?

>>59328021
>Is the carbon considered trash here?

no but people who consider buying carbons are considered trash.

>>59327772
>>59327807
X60/X60s/X60t is extremely easy to libreboot via software (and indeed, the s/t versions work too). The others require hardware afaik.

Some T60 models also work with software flashing, but I don't see much reason to want one over an X60 (since w/ T60 you need to make sure to get the exact right model, meanwhile all X60/s/t work)

I actually librebooted an X60s this week. It was very painless. The Intel wi-fi card however doesn't work with free software, so I removed it.

>>59328467
link to guide?

>>59315546
Until, idk, the connector shorts two points on the board.

Don't be stupid like ^this guy.^ He doesn't even know what current is. I bet he's duck duck going it right now when he needs to duck duck go khs.

Put electrical tape on any loose noninsulated connections. You don't want nonsecured bare metal in your case and at the very least you don't want to worry about it while your card comes in.

>>59328536
https://libreboot.org/docs/install/index.html#flashrom_lenovobios
I just read this.

https://libreplanet.org/wiki/IBM_Thinkpad_X60
And this for the wi-fi removal.

>>59328684
>duck duck go kys
I lost.

What's the smallest laptop that you guys can recommend me? I would like it to have a nice keyboard, i'm ok with swapping the keyboard if it's like the x230 and doesn't come with one by default.

I'd like to know what the smallest one is in general, but I'd also like to know what the smallest 4:3 one is. I'm mainly looking at the x220 and the x61s, but i'm not sure what to get, I'd like to get 2; The smallest possible one for daily use, and the smallest possible one with a touchscreen for casual drawing.

I'm planning to replace my daily driver with these so I can play around with Linux and tinker a bit, I mostly just browse the internet and play old games so it doesn't need to be ultra powerful.

I got offered a free (old as fuck) thinkpad. (not sure of the exact model, but it's older than the 20 series). I need to get the data off it first. The only spare drive I have is a 1tb sata hard drive. Does it have a spare sata port that I can use to just copy the data?

>>59309554
bumping my question

>>59329007
Get a X220t and a 2170p

>>59329041
Get a $4 usb enclosure

Is the CPU replaceable in every T4xx model?

I was going for the x220 meme, but... the T420 seems more reliable

>>59329296
Keyboard on the 2170p doesn't seem too nice.

Any idea about 4:3 laptops?

>>59329314
It's socketed in every standard T4xx model up to the T440. Slim variants are soldered and the T440p is socketed.

>>59329440
You asked for the smallest thing m8. its either that or a x131e.

And 4:3 yes, most likely x61s

>>59329498
I should clarify, the standard T440 is soldered. Only the T440p has a full voltage socketed CPU in that generation.

>>59329503
What's bigger? The x220 or the x61s?

I don't know how 4:3 screens are measured.

>>59329531
>What's bigger? The x220 or the x61s?

both are 12" 3lbs

Besides a dock, what accessories would you consider for a T420? Got one used a month ago with nothing but the charger, but I can't justify a dock just yet.

>>59329660
ultrabay hard drive caddy

>>59329660
ultrabay caddy
90w charger
usb 3.0 expresscard
anime stickers

>>59329674
I've already got an mSata SSD and thinking of replacing the 320gig HDD inside with another SSD. If I keep the internal HDD, is having 3 hard drives noticeably heavier and more power draining/noisy?

>>59329690
What's the benefit of a 90w charger exactly?

>>59329660
May I ask, how much did you pay for it?

I was going for a T420 as well, but it's in poor condition (nearly C Grade) and the guy wants 180e

>>59329708
>What's the benefit of a 90w charger exactly?
more current means faster charge

>>59329708
two hard drives weigh nothing what the hell

even less if they're ssds

>>59329587
But they are measured different tho, right? Doesn't that mean their actual sizes differ a bit?

What about the tablet variants of each?

>>59329736
>Doesn't that mean their actual sizes differ a bit?
Their shape obviously differs but not their overall size, as their weight is indeed more or less the same.

>>59329710
I got it for 130. Besides some shinyness on the keys and 4 cloudy white spots on the screen it's in good shape. I'm trying to convince myself the spots don't bother me that much, but I might replace the screen the second something else goes wrong.

>>59329721
I'll think about it, though I'm pretty tied to my desk for the most party anyway.

>>59329733
Was thinking mostly of the caddy+drive, since I was thinking of just taking the DVD out and leaving the bay empty. How about the battery drain? Mine isn't 100% and I haven't tested if I want to replace it or get a bigger one for daily unplugged use.

>>59329674
>ultrabay

also make sure you dont buy a super cheap one because it's flimsy as fuck and it comes without that nipple thing at the bottom which actually keeps it in.

>>59329736
no, what are you on about? it's just that the X61s has a smaller res than the X220. the tablets are the same shit when it comes to displays but they weigh 4lbs each.

>>59329710
>I was going for a T420 as well, but it's in poor condition (nearly C Grade) and the guy wants 180e

fuck no, you're getting swindled.

>>59329780
>fuck no, you're getting swindled.
well, there are literally no options

the only vendors in Europe are German, and since I live in a Mediterranean shithole, I have to pay a shitton of shipping fees

>>59329803

just get a cheaper and better T410/T510/X201 or see if you find a X220i

>>59329878

*better as in good condition.

>>59329780
Well, if you measure a 12" 16:9 laptop from side to side, it's not actually 12", but usually slightly smaller, because you are measuring it diagonally. But idk if this applies to 4:3 laptops as well.

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>>59330072

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>>59330072
> from side to side
well you don't do that you see

you always measure it like this

>>59327359
>soldered DRAM
There's usually one DRAM expansion slot.
>chiclet keyboards
The chiclet keyboards are still the best chiclet keyboards in the market and are comparable to the classic keyboards.
>becoming slimmer
How is this a bad thing?

>>59330147
Exactly. You measure it like the screen is measured in that pic.

The diagonal size is usually longer than the "width".

>>59329531
This >>59330147
X2** bodies compared to X6* are like an inch wider, have about the same depth, screens have less height and more width.
Google "[model name] dimensions" for exact dimensions.

>>59329525
>>59329498
Thanks! >>59304525 here.
So is the T440p the last T4** to have a socketed CPU?

>>59312971
It's double-clicking for me if I have the touchpad enabled, half-clicking if the touchpad is disabled. Where that fix be? I downloaded the pack from there.

Does the t440p have a magnesium rolll cage?
Is it still reliable and robust?

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>>59331449

sure.

>>59331580
Is that sarcasm? From I've heard it's good but I was wondering what g thought.

>>59331290
Nevermind. Followed the instructions here

https://www.tonymacx86.com/threads/thinkpad-x220-with-azurewave-aw-ce123h-wifi-bt.196824/

and got that shit working good.

New thread:
>>59332374