/wt/ watch thread

Sup /seiko/

What seikos do you have on order?

I'm waiting for my Owlpenis to arrive.

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>>59268830
The only Seikos I own are two quartz pieces, an old chrono and pic related. Both gifts

On the look out for a fair priced Lord Marvel or Dani KS.

If money was no object right now I'd go for a Spring Drive

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I'm making a list

What are your top 5 most iconic Seikos?

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Can a regular joe learn to service a watch? Do any of you do it yourself?

From what I gather, the cost of getting a Seiko or Orient shitter serviced would probably be greater than or equal to the cost of the watch. I also see that parts are hard to get for regular people. Is most servicing just cleaning and oiling or are parts usually needed? Do you just hope you can just buy a replacement movement for $50 on ebay in 5-10 years?

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>>59268830
I've got this blue sunburst LM Special in for service. The dial, hand and movement are going to get swapped into the 5206-6061 case I have.

Took me a long time to find one of the blue sunburst dials with simple baton indices.

>>59268999
>Purposefully making a frankenwatch

For what reason?

>>59268906
>Iconic
You'll have to ask someone else for nominees from before the late 1960s, as that isn't my specialty.

For 1965-1975 I would say either the 45GS or 45KS has to make the list, as it is the caliber Daini used to BTFO the Swiss at the chronometer trials.

The original Astron also has to make the list.

The 62mas probably has to make it also.

>>59268906
62MAS, 6105, 44GS, the original astron, and the snowflake

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>>59269027
I own both, and can always swap back if I ever want to sell them.

The two models used the same dial code, however the blue sunburst variant was only offered in the hideous 5206-6120 case. I happen to already have a 5206-6061 (pic related) that I never wear because the silver dial doesn't do it for me.

By the way, the exact silver dial in the 5206-6061 was also offered in the 5206-6120 case.

A friend of mine is requesting a cheap watch (quartz-movement) with a green dial for daily use.
What should I suggest him?
I have no clue about quartz movements. He was looking to buy a Jaguar watch (which is like €550), and I'm of course confident it can be done cheaper.

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Help /wt/ where do I press to release the winding stem?

>>59269164
>Search green dial watch on Aliexpress
>mark it up 10000%
>Give your friend €450 back

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>>59269231
You need to tug very hard on this spring for a while.

If I don't wear a watch for while, is it a good idea to stop a hackable watch to reduce wear?

>>59269240
That will start a fire

>>59269260
>If I don't wear a watch for while, is it a good idea to stop a hackable watch to reduce wear?
If it's quartz who cares because it's a cheap shitter.

If it's mechanical just let it run itself out.

>>59268963
No

>>59268963
What do you think watchmakers are before they're trained?

>>59269380
Baby watchmakers.

>>59269238
Isn't there anything from a somewhat known brand such as Casio, Seiko, Timex?
Something with which it will at least work upon arrival.

>>59269380
You know what I mean. Can you learn to do a simple service on a Jap shitter without going to school to become a watchmaker

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>>59269164
This is the dogshit in question.

>>59269498
>Jaguar

Catshit, actually.

>>59269498
Why is jaguar lending it's name to such dogshit?

>>59269527
I don't know, man.
I'm just trying to help my friend out.

>>59269527
>€550 for a quartz shitter
You tell me

>>59269544
For less money he could have this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLhewhLJ450

>>59269556
Go away Bulova shill.

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>>59269527
Pretty sure that's some shitter brand pretending to be related to car maker.
The badge of the actual car looks like this.

>>59269296
>If it's quartz who cares because it's a cheap shitter.
It wouldn't use battery.

>>59269556

D O G S H I T
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What are the new Accutrons rated to?

>>59269634
>It wouldn't use battery.
The battery still has a chemical reaction going on so it's going to diminish regardless. If your concern is battery life, you can store those in the freezer to make them last longer.

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>>59269664
Mallcore seconds a day.

>>59269664
-/+ per month i mean

>>59269715
you're such a fucking retard

>>59269664
The 262 khz movements are 20 spy

>>59269786
Bullshit. Says who? Based on what testing? Aside from Shitova's ass pulled baseless accuracy claims, I mean?

>>59268906
>Anything Seiko
>Iconic

Top kekkerino.

>>59269855
You asked what they were rated and I told you, you never specified by whom. The movements aren't thermocompensated so actual results are of course going to vary.

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>>59269947

>>59269958
Sorry, not him, I only meant to point out that Bulova completely asspulled that SPY rating and has never produced any evidence to defend it.

>>59269989
No ones outside of autists think of Seiko as anything other than department store-tier garbage or cheapy tourist watches.

>>59270014
Gr8 b8 m8, I r8 it 8/8.

>>59270014
Lol

>>59270014
No one outside of autists can tell whether your watch is $100 or $10,000 either. No one is going look at your watch closely enough to ask who the fuck names their kid Patek Phillipe or why it says Coward on it

How many normies have thrown away their sistem51 because they didn't realise it was an automatic?

>>59269527
because jag is a shitter brand

>>59270311
you shut your pleb mouth

>>59270225
lol noone outside of autists knows a luxury brand other than rolex.

>>59270293
nobody? they throw them away because they are disposable plastic toys.

>>59270338
And no one will even know it's a Rolex until you tell them it is

>>59270384
exactly. Most people will think of bulova, movado, and DW type shit when they think about luxury shit.

>>59270311
>Not liking Jag
What's the matter with you?

>>59270404
they make shitty cars.
they look cool and go fast, but they're trash quality.
some of the lowest owner satisfaction and lowest reliability.

>>59270364
Go read some amazon reviews of popular automatics

>This watch looks great but it stopped working after 2 days so I returned it. One star

>>59269497
I've been servicing watches for about 2 years now. I'm not a trained watchmaker.

I can only do simple cleaning, re-oiling, and timing of mechanical watches. I had to spend about $300 in shitty chink tools that barely get me by. I also ruined about 6 watches before I was good enough to do a simple clean & re-oil.

If a part was actually broke, you'd have to either: find a replacement part (good luck!), buy a donor movement and harvest parts, or use a lathe and machine a new piece.

$300 is about the bare minimum. To start doing actual repairs, expect the cost to skyrocket to about $2,000 minimum.

The short answer is: no
The long answer is: with a lot of expensive tools & time, you can eventually learn to clean them

>>59270397
>movado and DW being compared to Bulova

at least Bulova at least partially gives a shit when you get past their mall counter bullshit

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>>59270422
>Being a pleb

>>59270426
They aren't returning/throwing away "because" they are automatics, but because they don't know what an automatic watch is

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there is a place in the world for shitters

>>59269231
slightly unscrew that little screw next to the crown wheel, next to the stem

>>59270422
this was true as recently as 10 years ago, but modern Jags and Land Rovers are decent (but overpriced) cars

>>59268906
Observatory
Some kinetic
Some spring drive
Some Seiko 5
Eichi ii

>>59270734
Dude, even JD rates them as 2/5 for everything but design.

>>59270466
how did you learn? just opening watches and going at it until you know what to do?

>>59270520
i know you like it, but man, that dial and that second hand... and that date window placement...

>>59270520
i too would like a watch that encorporates the runescape font into its dial design

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>>59270520
>BINNACLE

>>59270520
I hope that thing costs like 50$ because it looks like those chinkshit Winner watches

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>>59270520
>he fell for a wus meme

oi

you could've at least gotten the nicer version

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>>59270520
Yeah.

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>>59271364
>Nicer
What did he mean by this?

I want a Grand Seiko but I only have 300 bucks

What's the best Seiko I can get?

>>59271364
at least his doesn't have rolex hands

>>59271386
new, sarb033
if you want something really good, there are many vintage choices

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>>59271060
Surprisingly, by using my public library. Some of the old watch repair books from the 50s-70s were the best.

There's also quite a few YouTube channels that deal with watch repair.

It helps to already be mechanically inclined because the information out there is pretty sparse. The NAWCC and Watchuseek have pretty good forums, but it's mostly cranky old men that won't help much.

The best thing to do is buy the basic tools and practice taking some junk watches apart and putting them back together without losing pieces. You can usually buy vintage watch lots on eBay for about $2-10 per watch.

Also, DO NOT SKIMP ON MAGNIFICATION. Buy the strongest loupe you can from someone reputable (I use Bausch & Lomb) and buy some good Dumont tweezers.

A watch timing machine and ultrasonic cleaner can be very helpful too.

Also, 80% of "broken" watches are actually just dirty and need cleaned. I made a nice profit flipping "broken" pocketwatches on eBay and Etsy. Use pocketwatchdatabase.com to see what the value is for the pocket watch and check your profit margins.

Also, keep in mind that at least half the tools you'll need are not made anymore. So you'll have to scour eBay to find these rare tools. Some are fucking ridiculous and are $200+ each.

Looking for something resembling Casio's B640W; essentially a Casio A158W with a black stainless steel strap (backlight, more water-res and some stupid alarms).

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>Order watch Friday
>Hasn't even been dispatched yet

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Did I buy a shit loupe?

Everything is out of focus unless I literally stick my face right in the watch movement and then I'm blocking my light and too close to do anything.

>>59271548
thanks for the detailed answer. i'm probably going to go down that route in a few years - i have no time or money for it at the moment, but i'd love to tinker with watches and maybe rescue some unloved vintages.

>first time shopping online
>Deutsche post fucked me up

>>59271677
>Did I buy a shit loupe?

If it was manufactured anywhere besides Switzerland, Germany, or Japan...yes

Also, if the lens is not glass, just throw it away and chalk it up as a learning experience.

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>>59268999
>>59269087
Glad to see you finally found your sunburst dial my fat friend from Toronto. But may I offer an opinion? The case for the 5206-6120 really does not look that bad. It's a very 1970s aesthetic, with the hooded lugs and all. It's meant to be that way, and it's very pretty, just in a different way from the 5206-6061. You should reconsider swapping them, even if the combo is sort of historically accurate.

Where did you pick it up by the way, and for how much? I've been watching Reed dude on eBay but he's just had a sea of silver dials recently.

>>59270014
If autists are the only ones who can see through the marketing tricks of the mountain Jews, so be it.

>>59270928
>Believing JD

I mean I don't even like Jags but come on

>>59271932
My loupe is glass but made in "Great Britain". Seem okay, came from the motherland after all. I think it was meant mainly for coins though, so I am planning to get one with more magnification power. Are Zeiss ones any good?

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I'm looking for a new analog watch. I was going to get pic related (Swatch - Once Again), but I read some reviews that mention how loud the second hand's movement is. I have a weekender and I don't want more of that.

I want something that's
>slim and light
>minimal design
>date + week display
>lume or backlight
>water resistant
>$50~

The Once Again was pretty much perfect besides the noise. I might end up getting a Seiko 5 bc it fits my interests, but I prefer a less busy design.

Reposting from late in the last thread

I want to buy the SARY053, I like the skeleton design. Should I buy it or something else instead? Currently visiting Tokyo so I should have plenty of choices for alternatives

>>59272212
Just buy a denzel washington fag

>>59272212
>week display
what.

>>59271593
BUMPIN'.

>>59272214
Buy it

>>59272129
Great Britain could mean that it's either great quality or absolute shit. Britain's manufacturing has been pretty hit or miss during the 1970s. 10x or 20x should be a good power.

You're probably just using it wrong. The loupe should be held directly against your eye and then the movement should be about 2 inches away (depending on the focal point).

Using a desk lamp should help with lighting. You want the light to come in at an angle, not from overhead.

>>59272214
Orient also makes similar open heart models

>>59272294
Mon tue wed thu fri sat
>sun

>>59272489
>>59272461

Sweet, thanks. I'll keep an eye out for orient while I'm here, cheers

>>59272517
That's day

>>59272549
Its probably what the noob meant

>>59272480
>Britain's manufacturing has been pretty hit or miss during the 1970s

Thanks communism

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>>59272129
I got it from Antique Watch Bar and knowingly overpaid at $205 including shipping.

My real problem with the case is the 14mm lugs and 16mm bracelet. With a 6061 case I get 18mm lugs and one of the only LM Special cases with Daini's machine mark brushed finish visible from the front.

>>59272576
Britain's manufacturing has been pretty hit or miss during the 60s, 80s, 90s, 00s, and 10s too.

>>59272616
Still communism m8

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>People try to tell me "orient" and "oriental" is racist
>There is literally a Japanese brand called Orient

>>59272674
>this much autism that you can't tell apart words that has a sordid history in western society

>>59272712
If it's so sordid then why did the Japanese choose to name a company over it? Clearly "orientals" don't find the term offensive.

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>when you get movement idea inspired from a prototype Maxim machinegun
Guys I will be thinking about this for months.
How do I stop myself,show me movement that works with compression spring and I will probably give up.

>>59272674
That's an American English thing. uppity, white, holier-than-thou liberals ruin everything.

You can use the term "far east" to mean roughly the same.

>>59272731
you're retarded

also one company isn't representative an entire race

Is there a watch with a movement similar to a wankel rotary engine?

>>59272674
I bet you're really confused as to why Lil Wayne can rhyme everything with nigga but we can't call him a nigger

My local grocery shop has a section with a big sign saying "oriental food".

>>59272527
Orient esteem & golden eye are the models

>>59272674
Stop hanging out with white american college kids.

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>>59272807
Have fun not having equal distribution of power.

>>59273073
I have some ideas how to bypass that so I will try to test them somehow.
Probably wont work but I have to try.

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>>59271060
what this anon said is pretty good >>59271548

a good book to start is ''practical watch repairing,'' even for just servicing.
For (dis)assembly youll need some tweezers, screwdrivers and a movement holder. a cheap holder will be fine.
you can make cheap screwdrivers and tweezers work, but only if you know how to sharpen them correctly. i would generally reccomend Dumont style 2,11 and 12 for tweezers and bergeon for screwdrivers. both are expensive but very good.
for cleaning you would need a dustblower, a benzine cup and pith/pegwood, maybe some rodico. you can get these for pretty cheap.
for oiling you need an oil cup stand, oilers and oil. cup stand doesnt matter, oilers arent too expensive but oil can be tricky. i reccomend Moebius 9020 for fast moving pivots, Moebius Synth-HP 1000 for slow moving pivots, Moebius D5 for the gears in the winding train and Moebius KT 22 for frictional parts.

furthermore maybe a brightly coloured mat to work and and some containers to put your parts in.

Order shipped

>>59273338
Tfw "we will ship it by the end of this week" is the latest update and i ordered it Friday

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>>59273151
I'm sure you'll redefine the industry, anon.

>>59273449
Nigga SHOW ME ONE THAT USES COMPRESSION SPRING AND I DROP OUT INSTANTLY IF NOT SUCK MY DIK

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>>59272674
>>59272712
>>59272731
>>59272816
>>59272844
>>59272857
>>59272885
Orient Bambino limited PC edition

>>59273449
>smug49.png
>49
get a life weeb

>>59273385
Probably meant business week.

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>>59273460
Nigga SHOW ME YOUR IMMENSE NEW CREATION IF NOT SUCK MY DIK

>>59273517
There's lots more where they come from, don't worry.

>>59273695
doesnt work like that buddy.
nice try though

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>>59273730
Again. I'm sure you'll redefine history. You should send Breguet a mail and tell them to just shut down their factories.

>>59273825
How can he show you something he hasn't even made yet?

>>59273874
>What is describing an idea
It's ok. It's a hard concept.

>>59273579
I asked today and they said end of this week

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Random and probably stupid question, but took a look at some of those cheap Chinese bracelets and kinda wondered about that specific design (pic related, bicolor just to make it clearer): why are those so prevalent among those noname ones?

I just searched Ali for "curved solid" and most of them shared the design and Oyster clones starting at at least double the price. One would think that typical Oysters would be easier to manufacture. It also seems to be a basic design for different shitters (I think Seiko 5 have those, but folded).
Is it just because it looks "more expensive" for typical people?

(also, how bad of an idea are those bracelets?)

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What do you guys think about Sea-Gull?
I want a skeleton watch and pic related seems decent.

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>>59274190
>I want a skeleton watch

>>59271239
This makes me laugh more that it should. Why does their shit have to be so corny? It really seems like a great watch for the price other than the branding

>>59274303
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binnacle

>>59274239
>im a judgy cunt

>>59274518
Not who you replied to but in general skeleton watches are absolute trash. Total hipster normie magnet.

>>59274303
as an owner, its ok but I could have gotten more out of Seiko for the same price or Hamilton or something for a little more.

The Anchor series has FAKE end links attached to the lugs which means stock bracelet only.

I actually really like the bracelet though, It's not cheap and shitty

But 200mm wr and the sapphire are nice enough and I still like it. I just don't pretend its anything good

>>59272674
In Australia, there is a cheese brand called "COON".

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>tfw no satan watch

>>59274619
>rotated numbers hour markers
Truly a hellish invention.

>>59274190
>I actually want a watch that says CHINA MADE on the face

>>59274564
What about opwn heart?

>>59274869
Much better. I own an esteem.

>>59274869
Only vaguely better. Get a fucking exhibition caseback for the rare times you want to wank to the balance, it gets boring really fast.

>>59274869
I think its a nice way to explain to people how mechanical watches work.

>>59275039
Not if it's a tri-axial tourbillon:

https://youtu.be/6G-fNmlP4kw

https://youtu.be/AT25J4fH75c

THAT, I could watch for hours.

>>59275039
>Get a fucking exhibition caseback for the rare times you want to wank to the balance
That's weird. I just use it to show people that are interested

>>59275039
But that shows a different part.

What is the end all be all watch for a budget of $500?
Quartz/Mech doesn't matter to me.

What are some good watch brands from unusual/unexpected countries?

>>59276105
Habring in Austria.

>>59275828
What style

Who's /yourguy/?

http://imgur.com/a/bn3yb

>>59276154
Everyone knows it's all about the Putin.

>>59276143
Splitting it into styles:
Diving
Dress
Casual/Sport

>>59276140
Second this. Habring is incredible.

>>59276248
>Diving
Invicta Pro Diver
>Dress
Denzel Washington
>Casual/Sport
Casio F-91

>>59276358
>Denzel Washington
Pretty sure you can't buy blacks for less than 500 buckaroos anymore.

>>59276248
>Diving
Obris Morgan Explorer II if they ever do another run, otherwise Seiko Turtle

>Dressy
SARB can't be beat at this pricepoint if dressy is good enough. Orient Bambino is probably the only true dresswatch option below $500.

>Casual/Sport
Seiko Alpinist. Miyota 9015 powered Flieger. If you mean aesthetically, Casio G-Shock 5610 if you mean tough enough to outlive you.

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>brought the King Seiko to a vintage specialist recommended by WUS
>opens watch and said it's likely never been serviced since 1975. Also amplitude is off.
>gives me quote
FML. Could just give it to my usual guy and he'll do it for $150... but he had 0 experience with the movement.

>>59276715
Ouch. That's a bit steep, but as long as the guy's work is good it might be worthwhile to have him do it once and find a cheaper option for regular services going forwards.

>>59276715
do you know what its original price was?

>>59276763
Yeah, I guess I'll just have to sell one of my shitters to pay for it.

>>59276803
Just under $400 including proxy fees & shipping from japan.

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>>59276881
>>59276803
>>59276715
Pic related.

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Got this recently
Now Mr Goldberg will never have to worry about me missing another diversity training session again

>>59276898
more like the kys special

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>>59276715
>>59276898
Jeez man, that's a big ticket for the watch and another for the service! On the plus side, it should wow you with what it can do after a full service.

Are there any watches with a mechanical altimeter?

>>59276952
Be careful not to scratch the paint on it!

So over the last year I have really taken a liking to watches and want to get into repair, service, and watch making as a hobby. I have been taking note about what resources to use and have ordered a few books. My question is, what should I practice on? Shitty slavs or shill out a couple hundred of an ETA 2824 since it is so common?

>>59272674
Using "Oriental/s" as a noun to describe ppl or specific countries is racist. Any other use is fine.

>>59277132
Orientals aren't a race, honky.

>>59277078
Isn't it just brushed metal?

>>59277283
plastic with cheap chrome plate

>>59277306
It says it's stainless steel and it feels too heavy to just be plastic

>>59277340
Only the bracelet is metal.

>>59277347
Well and the caseback. The rest of the case is entirely plastic.

About to order a Cocktail Time (065).

Thoughts? Last minute input?

>>59269380
Gentooman. They were never regular in their lives. That's why they're into computers and tiny mechanical devices, and want to date that girl with the robot arm for...reasons.

>>59277516
Wear it in good health ;-D

>>59277547
This guy gets it.

>>59277347
looks like you're right
either way its good for my needs now until I can afford a non poorman watch

>>59277117
Starting with some cheap-as-chips movements would probably be a better idea.

>>59276692
Not huge on the owl penis, desu.
The SARYs seem pretty nice

>>59277132
No it's not you yard.

>>59277909
>>59277132
>>59272674
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWdVwt2deY4

anyone ever use "mywatchmart?"
it uses paypal so im tempted to try it out

>>59277936
>they use paypal
What are you talking about? They're just aggregating posts from popular forums - similar to watchrecon, for example.

>>59277132
fuck off

>>59277971
fudge didn't notice that

>considering a stowa
>fucking eta

>>59276154
this is why I got into watches
what I think about each person is reflected perfectly in what I think about the watch they wear
it's like looking into their very souls

...although I didn't expect bestkorealmao to have such good taste

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Hey guys. I got this Breitling that is dead. What do? I can't get it ticking. Is it an automatic or a dead battery?

tfw you want a Seiko Tuna, but you never ever dive

>>59278213
I want a Seiko Turtle myself, I'm trying to justify it with the fact that none of my current watches have any meaningful water resistance.

>>59278177
Some things are better off dead, that watch is one of them.

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>>59278236
I just really like the blue/gold tunas.

>>59275229
If triaxial is a meme then I want to fall for it.

>one of them has enough depth for an entire globe but they still use the stupid traditional flat moonphase window
hahaha FUCK YOU

>>59278241
why for?

>>59268774
It would be nice if you could suggest more affordable alternatives to this classic deck watch (something with roman numerals).

Thanks.

>>59271364
>"nicer"
>miyota 8215

seriously? look, fred makes a good watch. but he cheaped out with the 8215.

Any recent automatic watch sales that I might have missed?

Again. Virtually 90% of the watches so far are seikos.

Qualifier: I own a Seiko Cocktail Time. Love it.

But the 'seiko' on the dial makes most seikos... including Grand Seikos, look like $2 dollar watches.

And yes. Other people notice that.

>>59278328
Bambinos on sale at Long island watch

>>59278338
A different font would suit the brand.

>>59278338
that is a good point
not the 2$ thing exactly, but whenever I see a seiko in the wild, I never ask about it, because I can't tell if it's a 2k coolguy watch or a $80 low end seikoshit that someone gave him as a gift and he wears it because why not, and the latter would just be awkward unless I was already in a good conversation with him.

>>59278338
its honestly saddening.
reminds me of sony

>>59278353
quite so

or perhaps a symbol

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I'm looking for the cheapest possible watch that can do at least two different timezones, and has a compass built in.

Other than that, anything goes. Analog or digital, leather/metal/silicon/hook&loop, anything as long as it's low-priced and functional.

I have this feeling that I chose the wrong thread to ask this question (despite it being a watch thread), but if you'll have me, I'll appreciate any help I can get. If not, I'll fuck off to /wsr/ or /trv/.

Right now I'm looking at the G-Shock G9300-1 (pic related). It's got everything I need, but I want to know if there are less expensive options, without sacrificing too much quality.

>>59278398
PRECISELY! My god you get it. Yes, it cheapens what's otherwise a fantastic brand, with a tremendous value. The cost:quality ratio is tremendous.

But I refuse to buy a Seiko, based on that wretched logo. And when I see a Seiko, I automatically think *cheap!*. Even a GS :/

>>59278429
It doesn't bother me that much.
It's just saddening.
The more I learn about Seiko the more I love them.

>>59278464
The swiss chrono certification thing is the best little tidbit imo

>>59278496
>The swiss chrono certification thing

Explain further.

>>59278521
They were effectivle banned from some swiss organizations certs when the swiss restricted the compitition to europe only.
They say this was done because seiko had top notch chonos at a comparatively minute price. The swiss wanted to keep their hold on the luxury chrono market

>>59278429
More like it's just not pretentious m8.

https://youtu.be/HFyh6FquARw

>>59278521
in the 70s they shit all over the swiss stuff.
They also nuked the swiss with quartz.
the japanese are pretty much why the swatch group exists.

>>59278338
Other people are retards. Seiko is a brand that can stand shoulder to shoulder with the best and most expensive of them. I love it and proudly display it. The brand stands for " this guy knows his shit and does not spend money on over expensive bling ". Also, fuck anyone who disagrees. *insert fingers in ears, sing lalalalaaala*

>>59278548
>archie

nope. but if you'd like to expound on your point, I'll listen.

>>59278429
Imo, that could be improved by not insisting to repeat the brand twice in different fonts on the same dial for the high end watches. "Grand Seiko" or "King Seiko" or "KS"/"GS" is enough. No need for "SEIKO Grand Seiko"

>>59278627
tl;dw - they're not pieces that scream "look, I'm wearing an expensive watch!" so you can impress others. They're just on par/better with whatever else in a given price range.

>"Buy the Rolex to impress others, the Grand Seiko to impress yourself."

>>59278541
Seiko took the top 6 places for mechanical movements in the late 60s chronometer trials. The Swiss cancelled chronometer trials until the late 2000s, when it was reintroduced with that Europe only stipulation.

Bascially the Swiss are still butthurt after Seiko BTFO'd them 40+ years ago.

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>>59278496
>>59278541
>swiss chrono certification thing
Chronometer trials is what you're referring to. The chronometer certification of Japanese watches is an entirely different story behind it.

>>59278429
>>59278398
>>59278353
>>59278338
The logo is great. And has an extreme level of recognition. It would be a bad move to change it.

>I can't tell if it's a 2k coolguy watch or a $80 low end seikoshit
That's mostly your own inexperience, eventually you'll see the difference as you learn more. That being said, sometimes someone might like to have a great watch without something like a Rolex coronet acting like a trumpet, screaming out and showing showing non-watch people how expensive their shit is.

But lets talk about looking at the finer points.

Look at the movement of high end Seiko watch, have you noticed the flower-shaped shock protection springs? You're right, you can't see them from the dial. When people look at your watch on your wrist they'll never know. But it's not for them. It's for you. It's your watch.

On the more outward appearance, one of the notable things is the zaratsu polishing technique, this is one of the things you /might/ notice about the outward appearance of a grand Seiko from across the room. When the light hits it just right, it may shine immensely. But often if it doesn't catch you right, you wont notice it because it can just turn black. (google "black polish watch." the fact that Seiko is able to get such a fine finish on curved surfaces is impressive, as the surfaces on a GS case tend to have progressively curved surfaces that not only curve down towards the wrist, but down towards the lug as well.)

Some of the other outward appearances that make a grand Seiko stand out is the transitions between polished and brushed surfaces. But again, that's something you can not notice from across the room. You need to get up close. Anyone who hasn't seen some fine Grand Seiko hands and indicies up close is missing out.

>>59278752
well the average person sees 'seiko' and thinks "Chinese crap".

>>59278811
Plebs are retarded, more at 11.

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>>59278785
that image is the style with the TINY grooves cut in the indices like my GS. You could show the watch to a dozen people and they might never see those groves, or how the tops of the hands are brushed, and the sides are perfectly polished.

You can also get GS where all surfaces are perfectly polished, no grooves or brushing. The Spring drives in my experience tend to do more polished

here's the hands from the SBGA129.

>>59278811
No one cares what they think.

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>>59278824
polished instead of grooved index.

>wearing a cocktail time
>beautiful woman says "wow nice watch! what is it?"
>"It's a Seiko"
>......"Oh. I thought it was a real watch lol."

and she walked away.

>>59278835
She says
>wow nice watch! what is it?

You say
>There's a famous bartender in Japan, and he collaborated with Seiko to design three special watches. This is one of them.

>>59278832
such a beautiful piece. retailing for what, $4500? gorgeous finish. wonderful movement.

and then BAM! 'SEIKO' right on the dial.

SAD!

>>59278862
What are the other two? SARB 066 and 068?

>>59278879
pleb repellent

>>59278884
yeah. 068 is the limited edition.

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>>59268830
About to order the sarb035. Going back and forth between the 033 and 035 though. Wich one do you guys like the most? (035 is the cream dial)

>>59278177
It's fake.

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>>59278884
The cartoony 12 and 6 on the SARB066 really appeal to me.
Shame, it's so big though.

>>59268906
Is that my watch? I've posted photos of my SBGX091 on here before, and I I'm not sure if that's one of them or not.

>>59279041

how can you tell?

>>59268774
Is there a cheap quartz watch that has almost mechanical like movement?

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>>59279316
If you mean a continuously sweeping second hand, consider a bulova high-beat or a seiko 5S21

>>59277044
Yes actually! Oris does some.

>>59278416
Maybe /out/ or /k/ could be more helpful

>>59278949
I have the 033 and I love it, 035 is equally nice but I would only recommend it to someone who has to wear formal attire on a daily basis because it's dressier. The black one on the other hand is more sporty.

>>59278616
I wouldn't say with the best. Some independants are still way above the nicest Credors.

>>59278949
I prefer the 35 by far.

>>59278429
You've never actually seen a GS in person, have you?

>>59274608
Some good cheese too

>>59279473
Awesome, thanks.

>>59279223
Not him but even me being a relative watchnoob I can see something is off. Looks very cheap and tacky.

Did you "find" it at the beach?

>>59279853
>Looks very cheap and tacky.

So it looks like a real Tag then :^)

>watch is +14 seconds for two days

this is pretty decent right?

>>59280234
wut

Does anybody fake Seiko Cocktail Times?
I'm getting one off eBay from a decent seller (from what I can tell). How sure can I be that it's legit, or 100% real, no franken?

snd367 or snd309, dochi?

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are the seiko shills asleep yet

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>>59270014
This sadly. People comment on my Black Bay more rather than my more expensive (and better finished) GS automatic.

>>59280423
More people have noticed my SKX than my GS, that's for sure.

>>59280423
Maybe that's a sign that one looks better than the other one.

>>59280433
If you wear a big diesel you'll probably get a lot more comments. Is that because they look good?

>>59280308
I like 367 better

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I have a watch.
It tells time.
It didn't cost more than $40.

I wear it because I can't always pull out my smart phone to check the time.
It works well enough and hasn't ever been off my more than half a minute.

I like my watch.

>>59280439
I'm not the one they're talking to, I wouldn't know.
But yeah I have a feeling your Tudor looks a lot better than your GS based on the defensive logic hoop you just tried to jump through.

>>59280459
what watch is it though

>>59280461
I dont have a tudor. I just know people notice noticeable things. Nice things may or may not be noticed.

>>59280468
Does it matter?

>>59280459
liked
favorited
subscribed

>>59280496
well you came in the watch thread and said you like your watch so I was just wondering
but in a more general sense I guess it really doesn't matter
none of this matters

>>59280496
Yeah, I want to judge.
Casio makes G-shocks and a 200m WR diver for around $40, so you can still get a decent watch for that price.

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>>59280517
pic related

asdfsadf

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Not the idiot who wants to take the typical /g/ hurrr sony sucks XD approach to the Seiko logo.(which on an unrelated note Sony has the best PQ TV's and MDR-V6 and 7520s are based)

I said last thread the problem with Grand Seikos are that they won't get (You)'s in real life. I know it's not all about that but look at this thread. If there wasn't GS or a Seiko 5 indication on the face would you know which is which without putting a microscope to it?

I mentioned I love my lower end seiko's, the SARG line etc. but I can't see spending $4000 on this especially when an Explorer II in good condition would be practically the same price, maybe even less.

>>59280571
>would you know which is which without putting a microscope to it?
Easily.

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>>59280580

Tell me why you would get a $4000 GS over an Explorer II. Or better yet wait a little bit and get a Sub or GMT for $5000

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do you have a watch history in your family?

>>59280571
>would you know which is which without putting a microscope to it
yes wtf
what a dumb thing to say

>>59280621
my uncle got my grandfather's stuff and my dad fell for the swatch meme :(

>>59280622

put your trip back on

>>59280643
lel

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>>59280612
Alright, we're clear this is a different question from being able to tell the difference between a 50 dollar seiko and a grand seiko, right?

If you want to move past that point and ask about rolex:

The GS is better finished, far more attention to detail paid, and a generally nicer design.

The one thing Rolex has going for it is the +-2 movements now. I would like to see Seiko push the GS line further. It's already better than COSC, +5-3 or +4-2 for specials. But I'd like to see them make the push now that Rolex has upped their game.

If someone handed me a free Rolex and I got to choose the model I'd probably get a Cellini Prince.

>>59280643
I'm sorry you struggle to deal with the fact that someone other than me disagrees with you, but that's not me you're replying to.

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>>59280571
That design does look pretty boring.
I like their more vintage/homage designs with this sort of case/lug.

>>59280433
You Seiko shills never cease to put a smile on my face.

>>59280678
>>59280433
In case you didn't notice, he was suggesting the tudor looked better.

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>>59280452
Isn't the chapter ring bothersome?

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>>59280670

>generally nicer design

This is a fact?

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>>59280696
I'll assume because that's all you responded to you concede everything else.

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>>59280671
The angular GS case is potent, and really showcases their abilities well. You don't make a case of that shape unless you can do something impressive with it.

Good enough where even the Swiss had to admit it.

>>59280671

That watch is like $7000. As I have stated I do like Seiko quite alot, but that is egregious for that design.

If it was $1200 I would be much more interested.

>>59280706

Yeah if you want to split hairs there is amazing detail on the GS...

My mom told what's inside counts for alot but there has to be something to look at. And for most GS they are boring too look at or look too similar to the thousands of Seiko 5 designs.

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>>59268819
Final level should be a Vostok Amphibia, then it would ignite a shit flinging match every time it's posted.

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>>59280789
>look too similar to the thousands of Seiko 5 designs
I encourage you to continue to see and experience lots of watches. You'll see the differences in time.

>Yeah if you want to split hairs there is amazing detail on the GS...
mfw

>>59280234
If it's fairly consistent in all positions, yes. Get it adjusted if you're autistic. Unless it's supposed to be a certified chronometer, then something is off.

>>59279080
god is that 44mm?

>>59280996
40

>>59280571
if we're being honest, only a sperlord wis autist would be able to tell the difference. a freak. a spaz. a fool. a pervert.

Are you trying to impress yourself, a wis pederast, or a gorgeous 20/30-something

>>59281026
>or a gorgeous 20/30-something
Just tell her it's made of platinum. You think gold is too flashy.

>>59281032
I love some gold watches (on leather).

I'm not a negroid pimp from Chicago, i'll never wear an all-gold watch/bracelet combo.

>>59281051
I'm just saying, if the idea is to impress some vapid bitch, you can just lie.

>>59281061
yes, i'm sure she'll believe the Seiko's made of platinum.

that's not the point.

when you shill for Seiko, you miss out on the vapaus, nomos, damasko, sinn, etc. watches of the world.

you're doing yourself... and the others in threads like this, a disservice.

>>59268774

Watch in OPs pic is really, really good.

Good taste.

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>>59281075
>i'm sure she'll believe the Seiko's made of platinum.
She will only not believe you if she knows watches or if you're a bad liar.

>you miss out on the vapaus
Darn.. it would be a real bummer to miss out on another kickstarter watch.

Also, while Seiko has become a high point right now in conversation (talked about a lot in the last couple threads,) it also seems like there's a lot of new people in these threads. And a lot of those people don't feel comfortable spending more than a few hundred dollars, and many want to spend less. It's only natural Seiko would come up a lot under those conditions, they're one of the better manufacturers in that price range, and especially down to the 50 dollar stuff they're one of the only mechanical watchmakers. It's not like there are 20+ watchmakers who you can buy a 50 dollar mech.

No one is shilling, over the years you'll see something mentioned a lot, and then it will go away for a while.

In-house manufacture wankers BTFO

http://timeandtidewatches.com/video-why-should-you-sell-a-watch-for-1000-more-because-its-your-own-movement-jean-claude-biver-takes-aim-at-in-house/

>>59280459
I have a cheap $12 watch from AliExpress, too.

I also have some non-shit watches because I appreciate their design and the craftsmanship that goes into them. I appreciate that because I'm not a neanderthal who thinks everything must be strictly utilitarian or ousted from my life entierly.

I also sometimes put flowers in my house, because even though they serve no purpose it feels nice to appreciate the beauty in things.

>>59280571
>>59281026
You can easily tell the difference. GS' are stunning watches. You can't get everything from pictures online.

Even a normalfag can pick which watch is more expensive when choosing between a Seiko 5 and a SARB.

>>59280234
Yeah that's good for a cheap to mid level watch

>>59280621
No.
I recently introduced my father to nato straps though.

>>59280670
I'd like to see Seiko improve accuracy in the mid-range models desu

>>59280789
You're just a good troll.

>>59281138
Biver thinks what makes a watch good is big size, simple shapes, many bright colours and limited editions.
He can suck my dick.

>>59281385
Agreed.
And not that it reply matters, but dude up the packaging. You should get a little glamour in the low to mid hundreds. And way way more for a fucking GS.

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Gaiz, I just pressure tested a Komandirskie at 5bars and it passed easily.

Just how underrated the WR is of these watches? It's not even new, it's a 2000's pre-bankruptcy example.

Pic is the exact model.

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Anyone ID this Seiko?

>>59281461
In the manual they state it is ok to swim with.

>>59281461
They're tested in lots, so they really only need to make sure their worst examples will still pass. Any particular one could be much better.

It's the ISO certified watches that have every single one tested.

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>>59281661
>>59281661

>>59281661
>>59281661

>>59281547
Looks like an SRP703 to me.

>>59281425
Myself I'm fine with something like Nomos. I don't care for the huge box you get with an Omega, or the loupes etc.
Give me a nice small box for one watch, a cloth, a small warranty card and not much more.

>>59278338
So what you are saying is that you are a desperately aspirational status seeking faggot who stresses out over whether you will be accorded the desired amount of invented marketing driven "prestige" based on the name on your watch dial?

Because that's the single most beta thing I've ever heard in my life.

>>59280789
>>>59280671
>That watch is like $7000. As I have stated I do like Seiko quite alot, but that is egregious for that design.
>If it was $1200 I would be much more interested.

You're quite wrong. Seiko's profit margins would go UP if they shut down Grand Seiko entirely. The amount of labour they throw at those things is totally absurd relative to the prices they charge.

They are spending something like 2x to 3x the labour per watch that Rolex is and then charging sub-Rolex prices. They literally microscopically inspect every part in the movement and hand assemble it while Rolex is mostly machine making their movements.

>>59281075
Yes I'm sure that Damaskos and Sinns will impress the ladies.

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>>59281138
Gee I wonder why the CEO of FUCKING TAG HUEHUE would complain about the growing emphasis on watchmaking vs. pleb-catching?!?!?

It's truly a mystery, you inveterate pleb.