/hpg/ - Headphone General

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ELDER WIZARD BE PRAISED

>>59079861
Dear lord. At that age he will have lost a significant portion of his hearing range. What's the point.

>>59079729
OP girl has excellent taste in headphones.

i just got the hd558s and they have great resolution and would be clear if not for the mid bass which is just too much, it seems to kind of bleed and drown the rest of the music into a haze. i'm not sure if it's because of the impedance hump. i'm using the smsl m3 (10ohms)... good, bad? btw it's not awful or anything and i think it could be worse, but would another amp improve it?

>>59080155
Just EQ the mids down.

>>59080155
A better amp would improve it, but not get rid of it. Your current amp is just making your muddy headphones muddier.

>>59080155
A better amp would def improve it. I used them with a Schiit stack and they sounded great. A more sensible option today is the Fulla2.

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Could someone explain to me what a preamp does? Why is it necessary? And what's a difference between a speaker amp and a headphone amp? And how do I tell if an amp can drive my headphones?

Sorry for so many questions but this is a black art to me and I've been reading so much on this but couldn't figure out the gist of it... it all gets too technical too fast.

>>59080262
>And what's a difference between a speaker amp and a headphone amp?

Power, to put it simply.

>>59079950
Not necessarily and the critical band is not in high treble. How old do you think the man is?

>>59080155
EQ, try:

-3dB @ 200 Hz Q0.6

>>59080155
10ohm is real shit... these phones have a stated impedance of 50Ω, meaning the damping factor (headphones/output) isn't even 10 (recommended).

I'd grab a fulla2.

>>59079729
I have to bend the headphone jack(or the part that the jack is near) so I can have the sound normally. Is there anything to do about it?

>>59080553
What headphones? Where are you attaching the jack?

>>59080612
They are some generic gaming headphones.
>Where are you attaching the jack?
I just meant that after bending the jack the sound comes back

>>>59080155
Just get a cheap USB DAC/AMP device, like the fulla2. They do two things:

The DAC: Converts digital to analog. Your computer does this already if it has an analog output. So does your phone. Generally, this is a well understood problem that's more than solved by now, and cheaply so. Some people prefer to do it externally because it ensures that the result is the same regardless of the source.

Generally, your computer will have a DAC chip that is definitely good enough, but many motherboards will fuck up on the surrounding electronics, and you might hear noise as you, say, move a window around in the screen. A decent external DAC is a portable way to solve this. An internal sound card will solve this too. A bad (classic chink) USB DAC will actually make things worse, as USB power is low quality and chink cheapen on filtering it to an usable state. A good one will do its job and that's it, you'll typically forget it's there.


The AMP: Provides power as necessary, a little gain (a few more dB top volume, unnecessary unless music mastered at crazy low volume, or you're deaf), and a convenient knob to decrease the gain. Typically, your headphones receive audio as an analog signal (AC). Voltage represents the amplitude of the wave. Your cans will output more or less volume at a given voltage (so called "sensitivity") and pull more or less current (amperes) to actually move the driver (active component that makes the sound). Some headphones are more efficient than others, unrelated to sound quality.

Generally, your source can provide more than enough volume, so the added volume (the "gain") will likely be superfluous. A knob is nice. You'll need an amp only if your cans pull more current than the source's builtin amp provide, which results on distortion (muffling).

* https://nwavguy.blogspot.ie/2011/09/more-power.html
* https://www.audiobot9000.com/

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>>59079729
Best budget headphones coming through.

>>59080528
You are either exaggerating the resulting shift in response or simply not understanding the effects. 10 ohm Zout is rather mild. While the uneven voltage division will cause a boost at the driver's resonance it's nothing major and can be fixed with an equalizer. In this case the result is about 1 dB of added gain around 100Hz. The 1/8th or 1/10th or whatever rules are borderline useless. They are almost certainly safe values but if you don't understand where they are derived from they are more confusing than helpful.

>>59080553
>>59080612
Probably a broken wire at/near the stress relief.

Cheapest option would be to cut off the end of the wire, enough where it includes the portion that's wonky and solder on a new terminal/jack.

Next option would be to replace and solder in a new cable itself, assuming that these 'generic gaming headphones' don't have a detachable cable.

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Why everyone hates DT990?

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>>59080914
But that's not DTX 910 anon

>>59081800
>(((beyerdynamic)))

>>59081447
>it's nothing major and can be fixed with an equalizer

If it's perceiveable, then it's bad.

EQ is workaround territory. I'm on HD600 and I never needed a damn EQ.

What's the objective difference between a tiny DAC chip on a phone and something massive like a Schiit Modi?
I could understand an amp since that delivers more current to the headphones to drive them better but a DAC?

>>59082522
It's nice and it fits so well under a magni2.

I think that about sums it up. OK, I'm lying, it needs to be slightly bigger than your phone's because of input being AC and needing filtering, if anything. But it does not need to be modi big.

I suggest getting a Fulla 2 rather than anything else from schiit, btw. Or starting with a Fulla2 if anything. Chances are that's all you'll ever need.

>>59082566
I got a Fiio Q1 and I'm pretty happy with it. I'm just genuinely curious as to why a DAC needs all that space.

>>59082601
The short answer is it doesn't.

AIUI they just made it that size because that's magni's size.

Even with the uber version, there's still extra room where they could have even more inputs in the back. (I have a modi2uber...)

>>59082686
So it's just a jewish trick to sell you the amp that sits nicely on top of it.
Really gets the noggin goin

>>59082706
In my case, they managed to get me to buy the DAC that goes under it.

Sadly my onboard doesn't sound anywhere as good as the fulla2 I tested or the modi2u I ended up getting.

>Budget
250 can strech to 300 usd max
>Location
Usa
>Source
Phone, PC via SMSL M6 and Riuzu x2
>Type of headphone
Over
>Open or closed
Will be used on the train, plane and some use in my pc so dont really dont know if open or closed
>Comfort level
Very
>Sound signature
Neutral or bassy
>Past headphones
KZ ATE and Cloud II

Is the K240 any good?

Is there a such thing as durable, comfortable and good sounding ear buds? I'm getting sick of mine breaking all the time.

>>59082836
If they break often you are the problem.
Best thing you can do if you want to continue being retarded is to buy something with a replaceable cable like the Shure SE215s since I'm pretty sure that's where you fuck your IEMs.

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Anons I have a serious question
I got myself some old HK360 but literally 95% of capacitors leaked thus sound sucks hard.

Is repairing this shit worth it or should I buy new one.
If new one please tell me the good ones. Can be from ali, don't care.

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>>59082436
It's not ideal, that's what it is.
>workaround territory
More like making your headphones better territory whether they have glaring problems or not.
>needed
It's not about need if your headphones are decent.
>damn EQ
You scary.

>>59082522
Modi isn't massive and the PCB inside is left mostly unused. The reason for size on some devices is the necessity to fit in all the different input options(which often use different DACs each), power filtering circuitry, controllers, analog output stages, controls, displays etc. High DACs can use multiple converters per channel in balanced configuration and sum the outputs for increased SNR and lowered distortion. Some are just massive poorly engineered mess. There are many types of DACs and topologies which offer different features and level of performance. Many DACs are big just because audiophiles like discrete components that make a statement on their looks. It sells.

If you just want to convert stereo sound from digital to analog with support for all common formats and an output stage capable of driving most headphones, a chip about the size of your fingernail can do it at very high quality.

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It's been a long time since I've heard something this awful. Looks cool enough though I'll use it on streets

>>59083006
One version of the wired editions of those sounded decent to me with very little expectations. Felt like a toy though.

>>59083006
>I'll use it on streets
I hope a nigger steals them off your poser head

>>59083006
>Looks cool enough though I'll use it on streets
They're on-ear headphones. They're meant to be used on the go.

M40x or m50x for general computer use, gaming, watching movies, listening to music?

>>59083265
No soundstage.

>>59080914
Literally zero bass.

>>59083265
There's better options for the price ranges these are at. If I had to pick between the two, M40X's with HM5 pads because the stock pads are garbage.

>>59083345
>soundstage
>real

>>59079861
Why did he let his beard grow so long?

>>59083345
What is that? I'm a pleb.

>>59083352
What are the better options then? I have about ~150€ to spare.

>Budget
300€

>Location
Europe

>Source
E10K

>Type of headphone
Full sized

>Open or closed
Either

>Comfort level
Sound over comfort

>Sound signature
Honeslty, kinda hard to drescribe. I want a pair of headphones that doesn't have peaks in the trelbe (like the hd650) but has a really "fast", snappy, hard hitting bass.

>Past headphones
HD650

I love these 650 for almost everything but EDM and anything that's energetic just feels boring as shit. Increasing the bass via EQ on these just makes them sound boomy and even duller.

>>59083551
>Increasing the bass via EQ on these just makes them sound boomy and even duller.
Learn how to do it properly then.

>>59083551
HD600 is where it's at.

HD650 are colored shit for the riffraff. Make everything sound good to them, or boring to the rest of us.

>>59083504
>What is that? I'm a pleb.

Music appears to come from instruments positioned at a distance, instead of right on your head.

> What are the better options then? I have about ~150€ to spare.

Amazon has nice sales (99€ recently on .fr) of Sennheiser HD598se, which are pretty damn good.

>>59083006
You already look like a fucking dork with headphones on.

>>59083802
>Tells anon to get open headphones.
>Anon probably doesn't know that open headphones are.

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>>59083836
>>59083049
Most people use headphones on streets in my area. I live in Georgia

>>59082809
>any good?
In terms of what?

>>59083802
I would probably dislike it, same as open headphones, it's personal preference I guess, but if I wanted to listen to music from a distance I'd either buy speakers or go to a concert.

>>59084216
> if I wanted to listen to music from a distance I'd either buy speakers or go to a concert.

wut

>>59083504
>What is that? I'm a pleb.
Something you don't think about when choosing headphones.

Soundstage is a product of stereo mastering. It refers to different sounds appearing to come from spatially different locations in a recording. Where they come depends on where they were mastered. How coherent the image is depends on your loudspeaker setup. Headphones are incapable of presenting the soundstage without additional signal processing and on headphones the only thing altering it is the frequency response. You should care about the frequency response because it dictates the sound signature, not because of the soundstage.

I think soundstage is the just the lack of blurring of the source caused by sound bouncing in the ear cups.

>>59084376
I think soundstage is poorly defined and often confused with directional localization.

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My Memelio X2 got delivered today. I though these were supposed to be bassy and fun, they're pretty anemic overall and there's something unnatural about the sound.

>>59084604
What did you use before?

>>59084337
Isn't that purely subjective though? Some people like it, some don't?

Also, Sennheiser HD598se or m40x? Is it worth the extra money?

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>>59084662
I've got HD-25-1-II which I use at work (open office, so they're pretty much a necessity). X2 have a bit more detail and way more comfort, but that's about it really.

>>59084604
>I though these were supposed to be
>bassy
They are.
>and fun
Entirely subjective term, also in the world of headphones.
>they're pretty anemic
Use a PEQ to get rid of the treble spike centered around 9 kHz.
>there's something unnatural about the sound
They aren't exactly super accurate headphones.

>>59084703
There's just no point trying to vaguely shift the perception of soundstage as it's something headphones barely touch on and when you will have to sacrifice the response accuracy for it.
>Also, Sennheiser HD598se or m40x?
Very different headphones.
>Is it worth the extra money?
Not up to me.

We have the template for these but if it were my pick the HD 598 wins in just about every area. It's open back so it leaks sound, wont isolate and its too big for mobile use. If these aren't a concern it's the better headphone imo.

>>59084711
HD 25-1 IIs have a prominent bass boost with proper seal. X2 isn't quite like that. It has a warm response with the highest amplitude centered around 80 Hz. Overall it's more balanced and less colored than the HD 25-1 and as you are somewhat used to bass boost already I doubt the X2 will sound like that bassy. Do you use glasses? If you do try listening the X2 without them on.

>>59084216
Closed -> lose quality in exchange for isolation.

Good for office use, bad for enjoying music alone.

>>59081787
>Why everyone hates DT990?
too expensive for what it is plus too sibilant. there are better options in that category. unless the dt990 sound is what you like... in that case, rock on.

>>59084958
Can you name better options?

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>>59084893
>Do you use glasses? If you do try listening the X2 without them on.
That actually seems to have made some difference.

>>59084999
if you really like Beyerdynamic, I'd go with DT880. I've had them for a year and liked them a lot.

>>59085058
I meant other manufacturers.

>>59085095
Well what is it that you like about them? If you want bassy open back you've got X2's, of you want treble that makes your ears bleed you've got Grados. If you want both of those the 990's are perfect.

>Budget
100-150 CA

>Location
Canada

>Source
PC

>Type of headphone
Overhead / Full sized

>Open or closed
Open

>Comfort level
Not a knife. I'd want to wear them for 3-4 hours not wanting do die.

>Sound signature
Neutral

>Past headphones
Logitech G35. Dropped them once from a medium height and they fell apart. I'd like something more durable than an Iphone.

>>59085141
X2 is x2 the price.

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I have $1,000 to spend at Best Buy (mom is letting me buy whatever I want on her credit)

Should I just buy the $290 HD 600?

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>>59085198
>>59085198
buy me an hd 600 too

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>>59085040
Probably leakage. X2 has a low driver resonance at around 80 Hz where the highest bass boost is located. Open back headphones have a fairly reliable extension up to that point. Below it headphones have to achieve a seal around your ear in order to maintain pressure. Open back headphones leak a lot of this pressure out by design which is why you see almost all of them rolling off in the low frequencies if you look at frequency response measurements. Additional leak is caused by the earpads not sealing properly on your head and glasses often increase this effect. You are basically venting the little acoustic space between the headphones and your ear, letting pressure out which results into increasingly lowered bass level.

Pic related is a collection of probe microphone measurements on real ears using different headphones. Each column is a different headphone, each row is a different person and each little plot is a new measurement after putting the headphones on again. The bass response is sometimes drastically altered depending on who's wearing what. Bad headphones can't even seal consistently on one individual. You can find the paper on the Wiki.

If you heard something else than bass after taking your glasses off, blame your brains.

>>59085198
smart choice

>>59084893
Different how, can you elaborate? The Sennheisers are twice the price, that's why I'm asking.

If I have a media device output audio to my TV through HDMI, then configure my TV to output all audio out through a optical Toslink port, will this signal the TV received over HDMI be processed by the TV's DAC before being converted back into digital to be sent along the Toslink cable? Or will it be passed along completely unaltered?

>>59079729
I know earbuds are shit tier but recommend me some for around $40

Is it normal for in-ear headphones to get clogged up with wax very quickly as you use them for a while? Or do I just have shitty ears or something? Have never been able to get much use out of them for this reason.

>>59085198
Depends on what sound signature you want. 600's are very neutral/flat with some roll off in bass and treble.

>>59085903
i want it for electric guitar monitoring

>>59083265
M40x

>>59085414
It's more neutral and almost guaranteed to be much more comfortable.

>>59085825
EarPods. One of the better ones. On non-Apple devices the remote controls don't usually work or work as intended.

>>59085978
Will I need a sound card or no?

>>59086044
If the one you have works, no.

Amplifier/DAC checklist:
-Is it too quiet?
-Is the output impedance too high (fixable by equalization)?
-Is there noise/EMI or hiss to it?
-Does it sound distorted as you start to crank up the volume?
If the answer is no, don't get one.

>>59084999
HD600.

DT990 are HD600 wannabes. They obviously fall short.

DT880 try the same against HD598, without much luck either.

DT770 are just bass cannons for the riffraff. 'Nugh said.

>>59085198
HD600 are legendary headphones, considered the best sennheiser makes by most reviewers that have them.

I have them and love them. You can't go wrong with HD600. Just be aware these will definitely need a headphone amp (like the fulla2) and that if you're not used to neutral headphones, it'll take you days to a couple weeks to get used to them.

>>59086122
I was thinking of the o2/odac. i'd be coming from 668b's

>>59086069
I currently don't have a sound card, just the basic on my mobo.

>>59086168
It's nice that it's open hardware, but otherwise overpriced; doesn't compare well with shit at its price.

There's some fun story between its designer and schiit.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/701900/schiit-happened-the-story-of-the-worlds-most-improbable-start-up

Chapter 12: Schiit Goes Evil?

>>59086198
That is the same thing, just happens to be embedded on your mobo. If you are worrying about your budget already, don't go out and buy a new device if there's no problem with what you have. The checklist is there for that.

t. senior real life poorfag money spending advice expert

>>59086262
It compares really well in measured performance. Noise spectrum is exceptionally low among all amplifiers.

Why is Schiit, specifically the Fulla, getting nonstop shilled so hard here lately

>>59086277
>It compares really well in measured performance. Noise spectrum is exceptionally low among all amplifiers.

The ODAC likely does fine; DACs aren't that hard to do right.

But the O2, for something AC powered, doesn't really provide much power. Try pairing some HD600 with it and other devices (fulla2, magni2, fiio e10k...) on audiobot9000.

>>59086397
https://www.audiobot9000.com/match/sennheiser/hd-600/with/jds-labs/objective2
>Peak SPL 119.9 dB
More than you could ever want.

>>59086397
HD 600 doesn't need much current at all and O2 can swing 7 Vrms on the right gain setting. Do you really feel like its the power you are limited by?

How do I check which headphones I have?
I have a pretty old set, but it's fairly decent, however all the logos have been washed off.

>>59086522
Post pics.

>>59086538
Good luck.
http://i.imgur.com/ttcBRvc.jpg

4chan limits it to 4mb.

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>>59086687
jesus fuck that's disgusting

>>59086768
You're not supposed to look there anon

>>59086825
you're not supposed to wear those things

>>59086844
Just help me identify them please, I scraped enough to buy new ones, but want to know what these are.

>>59086899
Altec Lansing ahs515?

>>59087184
That's actually surprisingly accurate...
I also know that I got the original guild wars with it.
To which modern headphones can they compare to?

>>59087262
I don't know man, I just google imaged for headsets till I found one that looked like it.
I suspect they aren't as good as you think they are. I suggest you fill out the form and ask for advice on buying an actual good pair of phones.
If you MUST have a headset look into hyperx cloud.

What sound changes should I expect if I changed out the DT 880 pads for ones that seal better/stiffer foam pads like DT 770 velours or HM5 Hybrids?

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Made a chart of my hot opinions. Hope someone might find it useful.

>>59087421
>ones that seal better
Better seal means more bass. You won't get more bass if you've already got a good seal with the pads you got now.
>stiffer foam pads like DT 770 velours
From my understanding, DT 770 and DT 880 use the same pads.

>>59087486
poorfag

>>59087486
How do those shures compare to other iems you've tried

>>59082794
Anyone??

Was thinkin about the MSR7

>>59087708
I spent over $500 in the past 5 or so years on headphone gear. I don't really want to spend more. Maybe one day I'll own an Audeze or something.

>>59087735
Can't say I've tried many other IEMs in its price range, so needless to say it wins in every regard there. More isolating, better treble, more gentle bass (but still too much). Last thing I can compare it to are a pair of MEElectronics M9 I had to throw out because they died on me.

>>59086504

I'm not limited at all power-wise. (got magni2 uber... hell a fulla2 would suffice).

It's simply the O2+ODAC isn't very competitive at its price. The schiit stack fares far better, and the fulla2 (much cheaper) is enough and way better value for the money. I see O2+ODAC have one thing going for them: Open Hardware. Whether that's worth it...

>>59087486

No HD600 or even HD598 for contrasting these against?

>>59087949
Friend owns a pair. Tried them and didn't like them, so didn't buy any.

>>59087549
I got bored earlier and went on a Metal571 binge watch and from the 770/880/990 comparison video, the 880/990's have the same soft, pillowy pads while the 770's are thicker/firmer

>>59087964
Neutral signature... takes time to get used to.

10 minutes doesn't do it. A week, maybe.

>>59088027
>neutral
>implying my lineup isn't
Hot opinions my dude, seems you don't know much about my headphones.

>>59088075
I'm interested in the "tried them" particularly.

Was it a proper loan with a week or more of exclusive use?

>>59088001
Never heard of him before. Just looked him up and he looks like a fat redditor.

>>59088083
HD650, borrowed for a little over a week, he owned it for a few months and the headband had already cracked. That's some impressive build quality for something that expensive. Strike 1.
The highs on it don't compare to my K612 or K712 while costing double. Strike 2.
No thanks, not buying Sennheiser. Some people might be into that sound but not me.

I've heard that my windows volume should be at 99 and to adjust volume using the amplifier. Why 99?

>>59088130
He does but at least he actually talks about the sound unlike Z-CuckReviews

>>59088245
Placebo. Just max it.

>>59088250
Why talk about the sound when measurements exist?

>>59088265
You got me

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is this good for gaming ?

>>59088204
Oh, the HD650. Those are the colored ones... I went for HD600 for good reason (got them recently).

It doesn't seem that easy to break desu... seem more sturdy than my HD598 from a glance, which I've had for years now.

what music do you guys usually listen to?

>>59088279
Great for competitive gaming though they're light on bass

>>59088307
Classical, Metal, videogame OSTs and, ahem, Love Live / idolm@ster.

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>>59088313
anime music

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>>59088322

>>59088307
We don't listen to music here, we only shitpost about headphones.

>>59088337
His fucking beard looks like it could be a source of copper wool for the next 5 years

>>59088306
Honestly the sound doesn't bother me as much as the build quality. I know my evidence is anecdotal, but I know at least 2 other people that have chips/cracks in the plastic parts of their Sennheiser headphones. When the same happened to my Beyerdynamic, I was pretty pissed.

>>59088279
I have no idea, but I can see your amp is almost as expensive as the phones, which is worrying.

If it was me, I'd get the Sennheiser HD598se with no amp:

https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD-598-Over-Ear-Headphones/dp/B0126HISOO/r

And get a fulla2 (perhaps later... totally worth the extra $25 over the chink fiio e10k).

http://schiit.com/products/fulla-2

>>59088313
any cans you would recommend?

>>59088307
If the answer isn't "everything" then they're giving bad headphone recommendations.
What kind of answer are you looking for?

>>59088368
razer kraken

>>59088337
I'm sorry I like seiyuu-idols.

I swear, I never had the slightest interest in idols or seiyuu, until I happened to try Love Live (sif, android) with my HD598... fucked for life. It'll soon be one year (happened last July).

>>59088387
I want to know what genres people here usually listen to

the reason I ask is because all of the recommended headphones have no bass, so EDM is out.

>>59088387
The answer is still everything. But, hey, everybody has some kinds of music they listen to more than others...

eg: I do rock and old techno sometimes, but I really can't get into hiphop)

>>59088367
I've always heard good things about those cans, I might give your recommendation a try

>>59088415
I'm >>59087486
and while I wouldn't really recommend the DT 770, I'd say they've got the punchiest bass for EDM and harder electronic styles sound great on them.

>>59088415
>EDM / no bass.

I find both the HD598 and (recent!) HD600 fine in the bass department. I only need to hear the bass, I don't need my skull to tremble.

I felt I had no bass during my first days with HD598 a couple of years ago, however... takes some time getting used to. Note that I consider their performance on bass to be proper now.

>>59088448
That's what I've heard about DT770. "Fun bass canons" or whatever.

I just know they aren't for me by that description.

>>59088464
>I don't need my skull to tremble.
no fun allowed in hpg I guess

>>59088482
Yeah sums up my experience. I'll wear them for industrial hardcore/schranz/house but the moment some acoustic instruments come into play, my liking for them drops heavily. I mostly listen to jazz/classical these days while working, so I don't wear them often.

>>59088368
Superlux 668B/Samson SR850 (Open)
Superlux 669/Samson SR950 (Closed)
SHP9500 (Open)
Status CB-1/OB-1 (Both)
AD700X/900X (Open)
Sennheiser 558 (Open)

Fill out the form in the wiki to give a better idea of what you'd want but here are a few options under $100 USD

>>59088482
Audiophools are allergic to bass so it's pointless to expect them to know what fun sound is.

>>59088483
>no fun allowed in hpg I guess

The real reason is that I get instant headache from those. Very unpleasant and fatiguing.

I do use cans only (I live alone and I have no speakers at home), and wear them pretty much all day long.

>>59088564
>>59088483

>>59088564
Different people, different tastes.

I'm more into listening, not hearing. /s

>>59088578
prolonged listening to mid-highish frequencies are what causes hearing loss and pain, not low frequencies

im sick of audiophile headphones

what are some comfy bassy cans at $200 usd that are also convenient

>>59088621
The ear is most sensitive to the 1kHz-6kHz range. Despite this there is till the potential for damage to the inner ear at frequencies outside of this band, particularly when the magnitude of the vibration is great.

>>59088621
Headache != hearing loss.

I do certainly recommend not raising the volume beyond necessary.

I use my magni2u (fed from modi2u) at low gain, 9 to 12am in the dial, with the HD598. I'm still figuring out the HD600, they're way less sensitive, but it's looking like more or less that same range but high gain.

>>59088675
>particularly when the magnitude of the vibration is great.
I suppose the low frequency of a grenade can be quite painful

>>59088695
extremely painful

>>59088542
>Budget
200 $

>Location
USA

>Source
PC

>Type of headphone
Cans

>Open or closed
Open

>Comfort level
3-5 hours of comfort

>Sound signature
Something good for games, only using for games

>Past headphones
m50x

>>59088695
The trauma inflicted by a grenade is primarily the result of a large shockwave that damages and ruptures delicate tissues. Especially the lungs and digestive system. Fragmentation is also present in many devices, but largely as a secondary effect.

>>59088695
Such talk about grenades led me to thinking FPSs and gaming...

Got to say: Ar tonelico on pcsx2 with the HD598 was a very pleasant experience.

>>59088415
I listen to EDM on my K271, which is more along the lines of an mid-centric/n-shaped sound signature, just as much as I listen with my X2, which has the most low end presence out of all my current headphones.

>>59088723

$200 is a good budget.

HD598se -> $150.

Later down the road you could do another upgrade: An usb dac+amp. ($60-100, schiit fulla2 is my suggestion)

>>59088723
AKG K7XX or K712 for just headphones though they'll need an amp. Sennheiser HD 558/598's work just fine without and amp if you have good onboard sound. AKG K612 with an amp/Fidelio L2's are also nice.

>>59088793
Forgot to add Fidelio X2's though they're a bit out of your budget at $250 though sound great and are very efficient so they won't need an amp.

>>59088723
AD900X

What purpose does having high headphone impedance serve other than having you buy an amp to drive them?

>>59088793
My experience is with "Crystal Sound 2" and HD598, with and without enabling the amp, and with fulla2 and schiit MMU stack, and an OP3 phone.

No amp -> Acceptable at very low volume, bland at higher volume.
Motherboard amp -> Good 20 to 70% windows volume depending on song, distortion over that, oddly bland under that. A bit of a fog, and loss of some dBs in the high frequency end.
Oneplus 3 -> Somehow sounds better than onboard :X
External amp+dac -> Awesome at any volume. Moving the volume knob only changes volume, no "sweet spots" and "distorted shit spots". My typical listening volume became actually lower than what I used to have, somehow.

>>59088890
Working better with shitty high impedance sources, but I don't think that's the intent.

AC is a bitch, and impedance is something they try hard and design against when "can be plugged into anything" is a design priority. That's why most portable/dragaround headphones are low impedance.

>>59088890
>other than having you buy an amp to drive them?
not how impedance works. read a book, faggot

>>59088890
makes it sound better :^)

>>59088830
Did go through a bunch of DT880/X2/HD558/HD598 kind of multi-headphone reviews.

X2, like the DT880, just don't image as well as the Sennheisers. They're both somewhat colored, too.

>>59083470
To help reduce reverb.

>>59088954
Everything else being equal, the higher the impedance the harder to feed with power.

Which is why amps list a bunch of different mW output specs depending on headphone impedance.

Ultimately, it depends on how much power the headphone draw at a given volume, too -_-. A pain. Good thing there's audiobot9000.

>>59089010
fuck off redditor

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>>59079729
Just got my brand new pair of HD600's in the mail and i'm in love. If i could stick my dick in these things I would.

The only problem is they're clamping onto my head way too much. Anybody got a safe way to quickly stretch them out? Emphasis on SAFE

>Budget
200USD
>Location
USA
>Source
Desktop, Tablet
>Type of headphone
Full-sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
I'm willing to sac some comfort for sound quality but I'd prefer being able to fall asleep with them on
>Past headphones
Bose QC25

>>59089068
Wear them for a couple weeks. I'm told.

It's not even a week for mine, and they don't hurt anymore. They hurt a lot day1, and a little day2.

Btw, what were your previous phones? What's your source/amp/dac/whatever?

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I am currently listening to Phil Collins on the shittiest earbuds I could find. When my IEMs arrive, they are going to blow my mind, because my ears got used to shit sound again.

I am looking forward to it. I love music.

>>59089068
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNxK-NwSR5U

Although I would just wear them for a while

>>59089010
Why do you even mention plebbit? Off to plebbit with you.

>>59089068
umbreon plushie spotted

>>59089103
I hear shit about "heisnappers" and whatever.

Bit paranoid to actually do any of that, which is why I'm just wearing them and letting them adjust to my head, rather than any such voodoo.

>>59089120
Just bend the metal part, not the plastic and you'll be good. Completely fixed my 650's and I can comfortably wear them all day now.

>>59089068
Cable in the pic definitely not the original one.

>>59089120
Did it to my pair and it turned out fine, it's just bending the metal.
I do understand your concern so yeah just wear it bc I think I did it too much to mine

>>59089133
I'm already mostly fine after just a few days of using them.

They also sound better... burn in is real, although I don't know how much of it is my brain.

Note they blew me away in day0 already, in any event. I was motherfucking crying and trembling all over while listening to, ahem, chihaya's nemurihime.

>>59089094
>IEMs

What is /g/'s meme headphone? I'm enjoying my RN3P, Thinkpad X220, and Terrorist Watch and looking to expand my collection

There is literally no reason for headphones to have high impedance

>>59089190
The current flavor of the month are X2s

>>59089116
You caught me senpai :3
>>59089089
Oh good, i thought it would be alot longer. This is my first "audiophile" setup, I had a used pair of sennheiser HD448's plugged straight into my computer before. Huge difference

>>59089143
Everyone told me the stock HD600 cable sucks ass, so i picked up a $20 replacement from amazon.

>>59089184
What's wrong with IEMs? I love the intimacy.

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>>59087486
Real nice, anon.
Thought I'd do mine as well

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>Budget
$120 Hard limit
>Location
Northeast US
>Source
PC (USB or 3.5mm, can even be 1/4, but I'd prefer to keep it to smaller sizes.)
>Type of headphone
Full-sized
>Open or closed
Would prefer open, but due to environment (noisy TV from roommate) closed might be better.
>Comfort level
Needs to be comfortable..Non-negotiable.
>Sound signature
I'd guess Neutral, but I do a lot of voiceover and voice acting, so I'll need to be able to hear my voice clearly. I'm a baritone.
>Past headphones
Plantronic RIG 7.1

Pic unrelated. Just a little pc gore for your cringing and amusement.

>>59089213
Oh, that's you in the pic then. What's with the headphone cable? That's not what came with mine, which matches pictures of official replacement cables.

You'll surely be fine with the Fulla 2 as source. You'll actually want FLAC or high bitrate vorbis/opus/aac... mp3 and 128kbit crap won't cut it anymore.

It'll probably sound bland/odd for a week or two, because of the neutral signature. I went through that when I got my HD598. The HD600 still sound a bit odd but definitely better than the HD598 to me after a few days. The first day with HD600, it was horrible the first five minutes. But then I was able to suddenly hear the awesomeness... and before I realized it was 3am and I hadn't had dinner, having to go work in just a few hours... 18 to 3 = 9 hours just testing them out with all sorts of music.

Upgraded from a headset to a pair of HD6XX's and I'm missing the mic feature. Any good budget mics? Not sure if I would want a clip-on like the Zalman

>>59089227
ic.

I kind of ignored that... they come with a cable after all. If I don't like it or break it, I can always get another later :D.

>>59089290
Is that wall insulation inside that PC? For what purpose?

>>59089326
Try r/letsplay on reddit. They have a few threads discussing good mics if you search around.

There's very decent stuff starting at $30 or so, so don't even bother with those utterly shitty <=$10 skype stick-of-plastic things.

Video reviews of mics will typically have voice samples with the different mics, so you can see the abyss between the shit and the good ones.

>>59089354
Thanks, I'll check it out

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>>59089352
I have no idea. Either for sound reduction or dust filters (fiberglass insulation defeats that fucking purpose tho). Either way, I'm sure his cpu is cozy warm.

Now, this guy has some next gen cooling systems.

Whats the main differences between the AKG K240, AKG K142 and the AKG 2015 M220?

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>get neutral headphones
>sounds like literal ipod earphone shit
>"dont eq just get used to it :^)"
>still sounds like earphone shit after a week
>bass boost
>so much better

based bass

>>59089051
>>59089104
Not that it really makes a difference, or matters, but iirc the that site's 'about' section stated a few years back that the creator was from head-fi.

>>59089301
For sure, right out of the box i was a little disappointed. But i found some burn in tracks on youtube and let it run for like 8 hours at decent volume. I can already tell a difference, but i'm not sure if its psychological at this point, me just getting used to their sound

As for flac, as soon as i ordered them i replaced like 90% of my library with FLAC. Still working on finding some albums though. Probably gonna do some abx testing with FLAC vs 320mp3 after the break-in period just for shits and giggles

>>59089425
>not listening to music completely neutral the way the recording engineer intended it

>>59089436
>spend thousands on top end audio equipment
>listen to overproduced top 40 garbage

>>59089436
>implying the audio engineer doesn't expect everyone to boost bass

>>59088970
No, I just kind of listed off some headphones I remembered that were in the price range. If he wanted something for competitive shooters like CSGO and Insurgency where footsteps and certain sound cues were important, then something more neutral/bright would fit the bill. If he wanted something for more casual where explosions were around a lot, something bassy or V shaped like X2's would work.

>>59089431
I'm doing the burn-in the right way: I just use them, and it'll happen over time, be it the driver actually changing in any way, or psychological (all in my head).

Re: psychological, absolutely resist urge to fall back on old phones or to do EQ, else it just will not happen.

>>59088764
after some research I'll be picking up your suggestion. Thank you anon

>>59089328
I feel you. This cable is half as long though and its got a fabric sleeve, which should prevent it from knotting or getting caught under my rollie chair

>>59089416
Afaik, M220 is the same as K240, apart from the colors. K142 has the same drivers as the k240, is an on-ear headphone instead of around ear, and if my mind serves me right, it has a similar sound signature to the k240.

>>59089493
I just don't believe in "casual". Neutral or death! Anybody who thinks otherwise just clearly needs to use neutral for a while and adapt. I see these easy "sounds good right away" signatures as a way to scam the riffraff into buying the phones they think sound good after short testing, and prevent them from learning the truth about the world.

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>>59089436
But I am listening to it the way the audio engineer intended it, thanks to my headphones being neutral.

I just added a little more bass to it to make it perfect to my ears.

>>59089585
thanks, anon!

>>59089661
Cough.

(pause)

Flat is justice!!!

>>59089661
>listening to it the way the audio engineer intended it
>I just added a little more bass to it
hmmmmmmm

>>59089702
nico nico nii~

>>59089708
Maybe he's his own sound engineer!

>>59089565
Great. Hoping you'll enjoy these anywhere near as much as I have these past two years!

Could a Fulla 2 properly power the K612, like as well as an O2?

>>59089599
I used to have Superlux 681's so I can see where you're coming from; They were so good, clean and precise then they were replaced due to channel imbalance with Samson SR950's. Jesus going from open to closed phones made me wanna run back to my defunc 681's as it sounded artificial and cramped but got used to it. I decided they were too NigBass for me and met in the middle with 668B's. I mostly listen to EDM and some classical so these fit my preference just fine.

>>59083349
>zero bass

What kind of headphones are you listening to, anon?

>>59089431
Random: Just realized I hadn't tried listening to sids from the HVSC with the HD600.

I'm doing so atm, when I should be asleep. :X

The rawness is so damn sweet.

>>59089903
>viscous cycle

Try diluting it with some water.

Senpai, I have a few headphones ~$100 that serve my needs and I enjoy, but for whatever reason I feel compelled to continually buy cheapo headphones to see how they sound.

Currently thinking about picking up the ISK HF2010 or Basstyle TH5001 as well as some Monoprice 8323 for modding.

How do I break this vicious cycle?

>>59083470
Sound dampening.

>>59089947
By buying good mid fi cans that you're happy with and never going back to poorfag shit again.

>>59088938
>Working better with shitty high impedance sources, but I don't think that's the intent.
It was. To a certain extent it still is.
Load |Z| with multiple headphones in parallel would be another concern.

>>59089661
>the way the audio engineer intended it
That's more than a little bit fanciful.
You might want to re-examine how "neutral" the systems that these tracks were produced on in the first place.

>>59089954
A tangential question:
How far did you go in your mathematics education?

>>59089749
>Could a Fulla 2 properly power the K612
If you want a definitive answer, you have to set an SPL target to do so. Without knowing things like dynamic range (which is probably not what people think it is) and playback level, I can can only guess and make broad assumptions.

With that in mind, probably yes.

>>59089947
Buy HD600. Never look back.

>Budget
$100 CAN
>Location
Canada
>Source
LG G4
>Type of headphone
Over if possible but wouldnt say no to on ear
>Open or closed
Closed. i will be walking around
>Comfort level
yes
>Past headphones
Akg 702, Akg 44 ,Grado 125e, Sony XB500

>>59089992
Debating between those and the X2's as my next upgrade.

>>59089749
https://www.audiobot9000.com/match/akg/k-612-pro/with/schiit/fulla-2

109dB. Should be enough (105+ is generally ok) unless you like them real loud.

https://www.audiobot9000.com/match/akg/k-612-pro/with/jds-labs/objective2

112dB. That's just +3dB over fulla2, which is USB powered. Did someone mention O2 being weak?

https://www.audiobot9000.com/match/akg/k-612-pro/with/schiit/magni-2

116dB. Aaaaah~.

>>59090008
The X2s are a reddit meme.

>>59090008
HD600 is endgame. X2 is a meme.

Go watch/read some reviews that include both. You should be more convinced the more the reviews you watch/read.

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>>59080914
They comfy

>>59090051
You sound like a person who has a very shaky idea of SPL.

>>59090067
>HD 600 is endgame

Why do you keep shilling HD 600s when not everyone has the same prefered sound signature, anon?

>>59079729

>>59090056
>>59090067
Nice try, Mr. Marketer.

>Well, I don't think the X2 is going to change that—the HD 600 was a great headphone very early on and will forever hold an historic place in headphonedom—but I do think the X2 is the first headphone in the mid-priced, open headphone class that might deliver a superior listening experience.

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/boss-philips-fidelio-x2#Qb8oweLV24Uci5Pz.97

>>59090150
It's his job.

>>59089954
damping*

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>deaf in my right ear
>pick up some broken sennheiser momentums for cheap because the right side audio doesn't work

So I'm switching between 2 headphones when I'm gaming and listening to music. It's okay if the unused one is plugged in but not in use right?

>>59079729
>Budget
$500 Max preferably lower but don't want chit quality.

>Location
USA

>Source
No AMP required preferably

>Type of headphone
Over ear

>Open or closed
Closed preferably

>Comfort level
Needs to be pretty good. Ill be wearing them about 4 hours every day.

>Sound signature
I listen to lots of hard rock and metal so whatever is good for that.

>Past headphones
Razer Tiamat 7.1

>>59090211
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/boss-philips-fidelio-x2

>>59090211
https://www.amazon.com/Beats-Studio-Wireless-Over-Ear-Headphone/dp/B00FK0ELO6/ref=sr_1_1?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1487904980&sr=1-1&keywords=beats+studio

>>59090235
>Closed

>>59090211
>Closed

Sorry anon, I don't know any closed headphones that excel at what you're looking for.

>>59090248
+1

>>59090171
>>59090056
How to spot a marketing guy.

1. Calls people suggesting different phones shills or marketing guys.

then proceeds to
2. Link hand-picked favourable reviews to the phones he's trying to sell.

>>59090248
>Beats

Beats headphones can barely track anything clearly, much less the instruments going in on hard rock and metal.

>>59090270

I don't care that much if they are closed or open. Just need something comfy with accurate sound

>>59090311
see
>>59090248

>>59090289
>> 59090270

Based on that, quick suggestions.
1. "tracking instruments" -> neutral signature, definitely!
2. Open (not closed unless must use in an office full of people, FFS). Else, no comfort and less quality.

>>59090311
>>59090326

>>59090289
Not true, otherwise they wouldn't be so popular with niggers and spics.

>>59090277
I'm sorry you got exposed, Pajeet. Better luck next time!

>>59090326

Both would be preferable; you wouldn't want Beats that drown everything out, nor would you want bright as fuck headphones.

I don't have much experience above the $250 range, but if you're feeling cheap, I would suggest SHP9500s for <$100 and HD598s for ~$200. They all track instruments really nicely; the bass is also tight, but not a lot compared to other headphones you could buy. AKG K702s are also nice, but i'm still unsure on how I feel about them.

any recs for low profile bluetooth headphones for work? no price limit because I've actually got a job.

>>59090618
>https://www.audeze.com/products/sine-series/sine-ear-headphone

>>59090211
PM3

>>59080262

>have an effort to write good questions that put rationality into this hobby

>>59080322
>shitposting just to tell the obvious

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>>59083836
>

>>59090540
I second the 702 for accuracy. But if you like bass, stay away

>>59090687
Bluetooth?

>>59090618
QC35 is fairly small. PXC 550 is okay I suppose.
DSR7 looks very promising given its base model MSR7, but it isn't widely available yet.

>>59084055
stop living around niggers, anon

>>59091004
Ah shit, sorry.

Is that Baeur DSP for Foobar any good? Crossfeed stuff is doing my head in.

what's the word on 3.5mm bluetooth receivers? I don't hear much about them and they seem like they'd be hella convenient.

>>59091221
If your headphone has a detachable 3.5 they should work.
Easy way to get bluetooth on good cans, but the sound is degraded.

>>59090051
>just +3dB over fulla2
In order to achieve that 3 dB increase to 112 dB SPL, the amp has to output essentially twice the amount of power.

>Did someone mention the O2 being weak
I think that anon was referring to how there's others amps that output more power at the same price point (or lower priced) than the O2. I don't think they were calling the O2 a weak amp, generally speaking.

What is the best AMP for HD800? Budget >$300

>>59091252
I thought aptX was supposed to fix that.
https://nobleaudio.com/en/shop/wireless/
It mentions 'for iems' but I'm sure it could power other portable headphones. It being sold out is probably a good sign too.

>>59079729
I need mobile listening devices

M40x or Shure?

>>59080262
Not sure but I would guess Pre amp is a AC to DC convertor so the Amp has power and the Amp amplifies signals then shoots them into a vibrator like headphones which vibrate to convey sound finally

More amplitude correlates to bigger vibrators and bigger sound

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tfw your earphone cable snags on something sharp and cuts clean in two

>>59080262
>what a preamp does
It's a control knob, I'm 99% sure that is the only purpose for it.
>what's a difference between a speaker amp and a headphone amp
Speaker amps output a lot of watts and have speaker outputs on the back. Headphone amps output not many watts and have a headphone jack in the front
> And how do I tell if an amp can drive my headphones?
I believe there is a website somewhere that lets you know, someone else in the thread should know.

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mfw genuine replacement earpads are more expensive than whole chinkshit headphones.

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GIMME FUE GIMME FAH GIMME CANS THAT I DESIRE

>>59085159
hd518

>>59085159
SHP9500S'

>Budget
$100
>Location
US
>Source
PC/Phone
>Type of headphone
Over ear
>Open or closed
Either, just looking for sound quality.
>Comfort level
Important, but will take over sound quality.
>Sound signature
V-Shaped.

I've never had any headphones with a v-shape, always preferred neutral.
What's a good set to start with?

>>59092209
Thanks Sennheiser.

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>>59089301
>mp3
I started collecting MP3s in about 2001, and if I try to play any of the tracks I downloaded back then, even the stuff I grabbed at 320kbps, they just sound like crap. The bass is terrible, the midrange…well don’t get me started. Some of those albums have degraded down to 32 or even 16kbps. FLAC rips from the same period still sound great, even if they weren’t stored correctly, in a cool, dry place. Seriously, stick to FLAC, you may not be able to hear the difference now, but in a year or two, you’ll be glad you did.

>>59092368
hd518 is not neutral

What is speakers equivalent for HD600?

So how much of a retard is Z Reviews?

>>59093007
Fairly retarded

>>59093049
>>59093007
Does he not realize his "Sound Demos" are totally pointless and waste of time?

>>59093138
you gotta buy the srh840s to get the full experience though!

cause clearly you gotta spend 150 bucks on headphones to get the FULL EXPERIENCE

i want to control volume like a headset. do i get a dac/amp? i dont wanna individuall control volume through windows volume panel

>>59089984
>How far did you go in your mathematics education?

3 mathses

Just bought a m50x how badly did I get meme'd?

>>59093373
u dun goofed son

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Call me a fag for watching Zeos, but are the Monoprice M560s actually some kind of magic? How do they compare to HD600s for example?

>>59093572
I don't think any one here has had any personal experience with them yet.

>>59093572
watching zeos is bad now?
i highly doubt anyone in these threads has even tried half as many headphones as he has extensively, he spends months with a pair before reviewing them, and at the same time has the equipment and the experience

I live in a third world shithole, and Beyers is the only company with official retailer here that sells budget cans. And getting lower end Sennheisers from third party sellers is risking to get garbage chinese knockoffs.
So the choice is between DTX 710 and DTX 910. There are almost no decent reviews of either, so can someone here that had any experience with them tell if they are decent and if it's worth to get 910 over 710?

im getting a gaming headset for volume control and open back. sennheiser or audio technica?

>>59093695
>gaming headset
stop this madness

>>59093642
I've tried almost every headphone he's reviewed and guy is an idiot.

He also needs to stop reviewing things after changing the pads as it tends to alter the sound significantly.

Also in almost every new review he hypes things up to a stupid degree, because apparently everything new is that much better than the last thing that came out and you need to spend more money on it.

His sound demos are also the stupidest thing ever.

He has a mail order bride wife (off topic).

>>59092905
>What is speakers equivalent for HD600?
Idk, but likely costs an arm and a leg.

Particularly if you also account for preparing the room they would sit in...

>>59093667
Pls respond.

>>59093812
Yeah I'm just wondering how much the same sound quality will cost me. I have a cheap Dali 505s now and even with them placing and room treatment makes huge difference in sound.

>>59080262
See >>59080664

>>59093722
>stop this madness
thats not a brand of gaming headset baka

>>59093938
Brands mean nothing.

Headsets are shit full stop.

>>59093950
They say HyperX is kinda good because it's based on Takstar 80 and the price is same.

How bad are Sennheiser Px100? I need a small compact headphone for office use, I need to be able to hear my coworkers.

>>59093961
yes, there's one good headset and it's the hyperx cloud 1
the 2 is overpriced & worse
the scorpio or whatever is also shit

most of the acceptable quality ones are overpriced by huge amounts, like 100 or more

>>59093979
>hyper x
this gets thrown alot name one that isnt hyper x and open back

>>59093989
one doesn't exist

give me a suggestion on a pig that can fly

>>59093527
Get fucked

>>59093977
They sound pretty good for costing next to nothing.

But the pads wear off fast, and the noise leakage makes them non ideal for office use.

I use HD380 Pro in the office. HD598cs are relatively new and might be a decent alternative.

>>59094002
>one doesn't exist
>ATHADG1
why are you lying

>>59094090
>>59093979
>most of the acceptable quality ones are overpriced by huge amounts, like 100 or more

>>59089196
Yes there is.

>>59094009
getting this buttblasted over m50s

>>59089196
>better diaphragm control
>less voice coil mass
>lower noise floor
>lower distortion
literally no reason

>>59080914
>Cant buy these in sweden
Fuck my life

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>>59093572
>>59093138
>>59093759
Is this him?

>>59089997
I would recommend Sony MDR-7506, but they have one downside and its the cable which is terrible for portable use (long, coiled and heavy).
But other than that they are cheap, closed, accurate audio and surprisingly good base.

>>59089984
By SPL target do you mean the headphones' SPL? It's 101db SPL, 120 Ohms. What do you mean by dynamic range? I guess my playback level can be loud, I'm not sure, do you need something specific? I'm just worried something without enough power will recess the sound at all volumes.

>>59094502
There are a bunch of fakes around.

Where do you buy Schiit stuff in Yuropoorland? Can't find anything on Amazon UK

>>59094920
google "schiit europe"
wow that was hard

>>59094929
>Fulla 2
>150 eur with shipping
ahahah wtf

>>59094962
I live in the netherlands and I still ordered from schiit directly. Their resellers fucking suck.

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Question:
My source doesn't have optical output;
If I were to use a HDMI breakout as pictured, would that lower the audio quality if I were to route toslink to an external DAC?

>>59094965
I better go with E10k for 100 eur.

>>59094962
Costs €125 here, but is there any other amp/DAC I should look at in this price range?

http://www.schiit-europe.com/index.php/schiit-fulla-2-dac-headphone-amp.html?___store=schiiteng&___from_store=default

>>59094920
So is it better to go with this instead of the Fulla 2 if you're in Europe?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/FiiO-Olympus-Headphone-Amplifier-Black/dp/B00LP3AMC2/ref=lp_1640593031_1_2?srs=1640593031&ie=UTF8&qid=1487934952&sr=8-2

>>59095036
e10k
udac3

>>59094920
http://schiit.com/faq/international

>>59095122
I'd order in USA. They send worldwide.