/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

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First for the death of Windows and corporate anti-freedom crapware!

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I needed to make some changes to the OP pasta (taking inspiration from the old ones) because the new ones seemed to be an incomprehensive mess, especially for newfags.

Also, ***don't use code tags***.
They don't serve any purpose, yet they take up character count and make creating new threads a pain in the ass.

First for SMGL
>amirevelvant?

>>58986781
They do serve a purpose, and that's visually distinguishing commands from plaintext.
If it bothers you so much, either
a) leave making threads to other people,
b) get over it,
c) write a script to automate it,
d) prepare an OP post as a text file that you can copy and paste.

>>58986679
what are some games that run really well on wine? not looking for stuff to even play, just looking for a few games that are stable

>>58986744
>Yellow
>Red
>Star
>Hammer
Please no.

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>>58987107
Nobody hears your screams.

>>58986781
The tags are really uncomfy for copy pasting.

Also first for source mage.

The fuck? shell utilities; today:
man pg

>>58987249
this is what comes out when ed and more are making love to each other

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>>58986870
Magic is always relevant.

Is there any way to make sed print something without given input? This is what I've got so far, seaching for a way to get rid of the echo.

$ echo | sed 'cHello world!'
Hello world!

>>58986870
Second.

>>58986744
Second.

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>>58987368

$ sed 'cHello, world!'<<<:
Hello, world!

>>58986781
You do understand your pasta put less help and is more ignored right? Seriously, you can't explain all ways of installing GNU/Linux to new friends in just five lines but you can use that space to put really good links.

>>58987553
>really good links
https://sourcemage.org/

>>58987532
jesus ...

So. What's the MemeOS (TM) these days?

Thinking about switching to either Fedora, Hydrogen, or ElementaryOS.

Only reason I might not use Fedora is because I'm more used to debian based systems

>>58987666
Solus

>>58987666
Source Mage

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What's wrong with linux? Why don't the majority of people use it?

>>58987745
Most computers come with windows preinstalled.

>>58987606
kek

>>58987745
Not enough publicity.

>>58987532
-1 byte:

$ sed q<<<'Hello, world!'
Hello, world!

>>58987745
GNU/Linux*

>>58987888
GNU is not a kernel

>>58987745
They actually do, at least for their servers, microcomputers and embedded systems. Why not on the desktop? see: >>58987787

It's just as easy to get used to Ubuntu as to Windows.

>>58987745
i'm pretty sure the majority of computers on this planet runs linux

>>58987941
GNU is two kernels.

>>58988004
>GNU is two kernels.
because it's broken?

>wake up
>computer feels laggy
>a Chromium ID is using up 61% of Mem according to htop, putting me at 3.75 GB of ram in use of 4GB

what the

I probably should've better noted what it was, but that was weird.

>>58988037
>Chromium
uninstall now, botnet

I know is the previous thread but lol'd hard >>58985795

>>58988037
Linux tries to use as much memory as possible and frees memory when needed. When you have 4GB, 60-80% usage is pretty normal.

>>58988094
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.
Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>58988086
U P V O T E D

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From last thread:

Have an old Acer aspire one, installed arch and a bunch of games (supertux, Bomberman, etc) for my nephew.

Works great, except every time the power cord is plugged/unplugged, there's a fuck loud beep.

How do I disable said beep? Pcspkr and snd_sp modules are both not loaded and blacklisted. Using alsamixer I can reduce the volume but not eliminate it.

>>58988137
I think those kind of sounds are more hardware related. Maybe there's a setting in the bios?

>>58988094
Really? Because I'm usually at no more than 2.20 gigs when I'm actively using it.

It was just weird that it was a single Chromium process -- not even a main process, which I expected to crash/shutdown the browser.

>>58988159
I second the BIOS.

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>>58988159
Thanks for replying!

Nothing in the BIOS related to sound, only boot and security options. Doesn't make the sound during grub or when it ran Windows 7/8

>>58988167
somewhat related http://www.linuxatemyram.com/

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>>58988223
what type of Acer exactly

>>58986873
You're right, but I don't think it matters much.
The OP pasta has never contained code tags and we were just fine.
It was either include code tags or exclude those software and news links.

The new pasta really was a mess.
I mean
>Themes, artwork, and more
>Desktop environments and window managers
>Computers preloaded with GNU/Linux
all needless
>Learn the command line by playing: http://www.mprat.org/Terminus/
seriously?
It tries to be really patronizing but at the same time the formatting is a mess, the info at the beginning is not the first thing newfriends should see and it really looks confusing and unreadable, even to me.
You need to ease them into the matter at hand.
The old OP pastas were much better at that.

I tried my best to respect both the old and the new pasta.

>>58987553
So you don't think we should have OP pasta at all?
It's not all just for newfriends, those are resources we deem valuable to all anons who post here.
The first important thing thing a newfriend should see is
>Before asking for help, please check our list of resources[*].
and glance at the stuff bellow * so they won't bug us with stupid questions and problems they could solve themselves.
Then the part about choosing and installing their first distro. (the gentoo wiki article is pretty good)
They will find a use for the rest of the info some other time perhaps.
No one expects a newfriend to digest all that info when they first visit the thread.

>>58987212
Indeed.

>>58988310
I agree with the disclaimer, all people should look in the appropriate place for help before asking, but don't remove the links, they are do more good than you know.

>>58988359
I never search myself. I just ask here lol.

>>58986781
>>58986679
>>58988310
This is fine, but leave out

>Search for software by category:
>http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/
>https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Main_Page
>Search alternatives to common applications:
>https://alternativeto.net/
>http://www.linuxalt.com/

>News:
>http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=home
>http://www.webupd8.org/
>https://www.linuxjournal.com/, https://lwn.net/
>Gaming news:
>https://www.gamingonlinux.com/
>https://linuxgameconsortium.com/

>>58988310
The installgentoo guide is good but still personal opinions, the distrowatch link on the other hand is a search engine and is good at that.

>>58988398
No.

>>58988359
Okay.

>>58988398
Those seem to be quite useful to be completely honest.
I don't think it hurts to have those.

>>58988359
Okay.

>>58988398
Those seem to be quite useful to be completely honest.
I don't think it hurts to have those.

>man gaze
>-q disable human style output.
why is source mage so based

>>58988436
>>58988427
fucking hiroshimoot

>>58988436
Why don't you make an installation guide? So you can replace that part in the OP instead of using the space. Just give it more attention like you do with the friendly disclaimer as for people actually paying attention.

What is the best and most reliable distro to use on multiple office computers?

An OS where I can leave the computers on 24/7 and have my accountant from another state SSH into them whenever she needs to? And where updates aren't going to screw everything up?

>>58988465
Add the difference in 32 and 64 bits, how to create a live usb (because some new friends can't even into that), how to enable usb booting in the BIOS, and what you should do to dualboot.

What seems retarded to us is like brainfuck for new friends.

>>58988488
win 7

>>58988488
CentOS or Slackware? This is a pretty good question, what can defeat those?

whats those coding environments called? looking for a lightweight one, only have an atom with 1gb.

>>58988465
I think this https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Babbies_First_Linux will set them down the right path.
What kinda installation guide do you have in mind?
Most distros have installation guides, there are also youtube videos on how to install the most popular stuff.

To quote Morpheus:
>I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it.
That is kinda the point of the OP pasta.
To provide all those links and basic info just so people know where to start.

There's no need to spoonfeed people beyond the point where they can do it themselves.

comparing debian to lubuntu, can lubuntu really be called lightweight if debian would use less resources bar the de?

>>58988596
>whats those coding environments called
either looking for an IDE, or a code editor

IDE's are more bloated, but provide tons of useful functionality for large projects, especially when working on a team

Code editors are more lightweight and usually only have syntax highlighting and code auto-complete, but sometimes allow you to install extensions

I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this, but I really like VS Code. It's a fairly lightweight code editor with a huge marketplace of extensions to choose from, so you only have the extensions that are useful to you

Sublime is actually pretty nice too, and probably a lot smaller than VS Code, since Microsoft is notorious for making needlessly bloating and complicating a program that should be small and simple.

>>58988608
Can you put >>58988529 in the installgentoo guide? Then just use asterisks to make people notice.

Do you remember how some words and concepts were alien to you before installing your first distro? There was this article talking about all those different words and what they meant and I figure how someone outside might feel.

>>58987553
>You do understand your pasta put less help and is more ignored right?
I can imagine it's not very helpful to illiterate faggots like you.
Why don't you take the time you spend shitposting to learn proper english.

>>58986781
The pasta is nice.

>>58988699
You seem to be lost, this is a friendly thread.

what is this http://mirror.sobukus.de/files/sourcemage/codex/stable/nsa.gpg

Hi /fglt/, can I make liunx accent compositing work like it does in Windows?
In Windows you press ` and e, and you get è, ' + e = é, ^ + e etc.
I'm using Cinnamon in case the DE matters.

>>58988697
>put win7 in the installgentoo guide
Huh?

>>58987055
there are loads. some of my personal favorites I've had work with minimal effort: Civ IV, Panzer General II, Half-Life/Portal, GTA III/VC/SA, Caesar/Pharaoh/Zeus, Romance of the Three Kingdoms, Anno 1602/1503/1701/1404, Postal 2, Roller Coaster Tycoon 1/2, Baldur's Gate/Icewind Dale/Planescape:Torment, Fallout (old and new), Arcanum, probably missing some but that's what comes to mind.
(inb4 all old games)
https://appdb.winehq.org/

>>58988753
Meant >>58988509

>>58988697
I'm sure most people that come to this board at least know how to install win7, not to mention pirate and get a cracked version of it.

>>58988780
unauthorized copying*

>>58988776
>>58988780
oh i see nvm

>>58988780
We are talking of something already in the OP. And OP want it there.

>>58988747
Yes.
The phrase you're looking for is Compose key.

There are multiple way you can get this key.

Some desktop environments like Gnome have it by default but I forgot the combination, but since Cinnamon is entirely gnome3 based I assume it would be the same.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ComposeKey
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Keyboard_configuration_in_Xorg#Configuring_compose_key

>>58988561
>>58988488
I'm the Slackware fag but I'd have to agree that CentOS might be an equally good/better choice if you've never used Slackware before. On the other hand, I have never had an update screw up my system, or cause any kind of problem that wasn't easily reversed in 2 minutes.

For deploying on multiple computers, perhaps look at openSUSE? YaST supposedly has a thing where you can make a config file for installations and then automatically deploy identical systems on multiple computers, and you can also perform system admin/maintenance tasks through a web interface, which would make it easier to simultaneously manage multiple installations at once. I get the feeling that SUSE is reliable and stable.

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>>58988780
>pirate
Word to avoid!

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Piracy
https://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-banned-from-using-piracy-and-theft-terms-in-hotfile-trial-131129/

>>58988735
>:user ID packet: "NSA SELinux Team <[email protected]>"
guess

>>58988842
Isn't CentOS shipped with anaconda? The installer that can do just that?

>>58988857
SELinux confirmed to be in hands of the NSA.

>>58988870
no idea. I only ever used CentOS on VPSes where it was already deployed.

In that case, between those three, Slackware is the only one that "technically" can't do that, except it's not a difficult or complicated process to strip out all the packages you don't want out of the package tree, add any packages you want into the package tree, and then just run a "full install"

>>58988735
SELinux was initially developed by "Le Three Letter Acronym Agency" for the US Department of Defense.

Now it's co-developed by RedHat with the help forementioned three letter acronym agency

>>58988908
>it's co-developed by RedHat with the help forementioned three letter acronym agency
That just make it scarier desu,

>>58988945
Well that (and the fact that SELinux maintenance is rather complicated, way more complicated than your average desktop/workstation/server will probably need) is the reason pretty much only Fedora-based (Fedora is owned by RedHat) distributions use it.

Despite the fact that due to SELinux origins and the obvious implications of it, it was probably audited more times than any other part of the linux ecosystem.

Ubuntu and distributions derived from it (save for Mint since they're fucking retarded) use AppArmor (developed by Canonical)
Gentoo Hardened uses GRsecurity patches.

It's a shame that the grsec people no longer provide stable patches to non-paying customers.
Compared to competition it was mindboggingly easy to learn and use effectively.

>>58989003
>linux ecosystem
literally what

>>58989003
All that case smells like bullshit, grsec distributed to private companies after other private companies infringed the license? Shady.

>>58989118
*GNU ecosystem.

>company tries to take over the linux system, now top kernel contributer
>shipps lots of programs, shills them to distros, makes other programs depending on it
>turns out the company is best friend with the nsa
welcome to the botnet

Hey guys 3 questions

Ubuntu or Arch (for newbie)
Can you duel boot with windows 10(i just want to use it for gayman)

Also what was that firefrox add on that was better than adblock that everyone recommended? Like Uorigin or something?

>>58989166
good thing we have BSD to fall back to if things do begin to go south.

>>58989166
no surprise

>>58989203
*Hurd

Fucking Kevin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkv-_LqTeQA

>>58989203
>BSD
Who?

>>58989126
>All that case smells like bullshit, grsec distributed to private companies after other private companies infringed the license? Shady.
Grsec distributed patches openly (as in, go on their website, download stable branch and patch the kernel) and private companies used them and slapped grsecurity logos all over the embedded products (without their knowledge or approval) they later sold without any contribution to the company behind grsecurity.

A solid case of the eternal problem of monetizing GPL software really.
Grsec got mad and decided to redhatize their distribution model (as well as trademarked their name and logo) and started offering the patches in a manner similar to SaaS only to paying customers. Can't blame them honestly.


The unstable/testing branch is still publicly distributed.

>>58989200
>Arch (for newbie)
Don't be retarded, Ubuntu LTS.

uBlock Origin.

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>>58989232
Already at v0.9, sound is working too now! Give them 3-4 years. There aren't much developers and it isn't a high priority project, but - there's hope!

>>58989297
Thanks.

does a graphics card support virtualization?

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Any reason to use sudo over su -c ?

>>58989313
No, not yet. Intel is working on a technology that would allow it, but it's not ready yet.

You're looking for GPU passthrough

>>58989320
>suc
Smuganimeface.jpg

>>58989320
Convenience, that's all.

>>58989320
>he has a root password
why?

>>58989320
you can restrict a sudoer's execution privileges

>>58989303
I am not in a hurry as long as they make the code somewhat modular. I like the idea of modules instead of patches, or at least a patch-friendly kernel.

>>58989350
sudo basically gives you root privileges so who cares?

>>58989361
black hats

>>58989361
>>58989374
oh wait, I just realized it's possible to restrict the use of env variables with sudo.

>>58989320
sudo is new and good, su is old and bad.
sudo allows you to limit privs.
you don't want to run programs like wireshark with all root privilegues
sudo let's you fuck around with temp files instead of real files until you actually write something
there's alot more, read the manpage

>>58989417
>you don't want to run programs like wireshark with all root privilegues
why?

>>58989350
>sudo passwd root
>type new password
this save you from what exactly?
Keep in mind that hardly anyone configures sudo by hand. They just stick with the defaults.

Used gnu+linux for years.
Finally got around to reading the sudo man page the other day.
Found it intredasting

>>58989723
Share details you blog poster.

>>58989723
>Used gnu+linux for years.
>Finally got around to reading the sudo man page the other day.
sounds like bullshit. why would you lie on an anonymous imageboard

im using lubuntu but im hating the theme as well as the start menu thing. i want a riced look, what do?

also i need a new start button, dubs gets to choose

Any reason to move up to Linux 4.8 from 4.4? On Ubuntu's GNU/Linux LTS.

>>58989978
as always, if you need to ask it doesnt apply to you.

>>58990016
So you don't know?

>>58989954
Chicago95 senpai ;^)

>>58989900
It's not a lie. I never sudo -s till the other day.
I must admit I thoroughly enjoyed it.

>>58990128
do xfce themes even work in lxde

>>58990142
Enjoy having root take ownership of your home directory.

>>58990226
Yes.

anything gained from using debian over ubuntu? also what other original distros are there besides debian (since basically everything is derived from it)

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>>58990340
>since basically everything is derived from it
oh god, i hope this is bait.

>>58990340
>other original distros
Worth mentioning Arch and Gentoo, everything else is for hipsters and tippers.

>>58990340
install source mage

>>58990257
With great power comes great responsibility.

>>58990340
ayy lmao, also install source mage

>>58989458
http://www.cvedetails.com/product/8292/Wireshark-Wireshark.html

Why was Qt so late to the "lightweight desktop environment" party?

Compared to GTK where you got desktop environments like Xfce and LXDE existing for over a decade (with MATE being the later contender) I wonder why people invested in Qt never bothered to make a more slimmed down alternative to KDE.

But out of the sudden you got LXQt, Lumina Desktop and Budgie recently announcing it plans to ditch GTK in favour of Qt.

>>58990550
Qt used to be proprietary, maybe this played a role.

>>58990340
Slackware, Debian, and Red Hat are the big three from which almost everything else was derived in one form or another. Slackware was directly derived as a set of patches for the short-lived SLS, Debian was created because of Ian's frustration with SLS, SuSE was originally a repackaging of Slackware.

Gentoo is semi-original, it borrowed the concept behind it's package management from BSD, as did CRUX, the distro that "inspired" Arch.

>>58990535
>>58989458
also this:
https://wiki.wireshark.org/Security

>>58990403
over 160 distros are debian derived, including buntu

Linux is for retard commies

>>58990641
I once was retarded, launched X as the root
A bad choice, oh baby, that wasn't so good
It fucked all permissions, no mercy, no pity
I died crying in front of my black painted tty

>>58990654
Dumb fuck retard nigger commie

>>58990550
>>58990588
that, and how horrible/bloated GTK became
in a few more years, Qt will become massively bloated and everyone will move to FLTK
screencap this

>>58990641
install source mage

>>58990654
>launched X as the root
>A bad choice, oh baby, that wasn't so good
>It fucked all permissions, no mercy, no pity
>I died crying in front of my black painted tty
never had any issues. did you run sudo startx? Do people make such an absurd mistake

>>58990681
The joke

Your head

>>58990681
sudo xinit $stuff_for_wm_testing ;_;
now I have advanced chown skillz

>>58990688
thats not how you do humor, this is:
>Don't you hate when you're putting jews in the over and a little splashes back towards you.

>>58990707
That's the spirit. Every pain is a lesson.

>>58990717
>over
the joke died in the oven

>>58990707
chown/chmod can end up creepy when you accidently .. recursivly, kek

redpill me on kdbus. I've noticed that dbus (like systemd) has attached itself into pretty much everything in a few years. Was kdbus some similar shit in kernel space?

>>58989203
does it run my gaems

>>58990641
>>58990667
OPEN YOUR THIRD EYE! THE GOVERNMENT IS CORRUPT!!1!

>Question
Do you hate freedom?

>>58990641
this

the linux foundation is commie, gnu is non-cucked and bro-right and not controlled by redhat

source mage is a meme distro

>>58990800
HIDE YOUR COMPILERS! THE CIA IS COMING FOR THEM!

>>58990823
ebin meme
>>58990827
is this a meme?

>>58990828
I HAVE GCC! THEY CAN HAVE IT IF THEY CAN PRY IT FROM MY DEAD HANDS!

>the average poster IQ is falling

>>58990857
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fun

>>58990857
>no fun allowed

>>58990855
THE CIA THINKS THEY CAN INFILTRATE OUR BITS, GOD WILL DESTROY THE NIGGER AGENTS AND UP TO THEIR JEW EYEBALLS

>>58990823
>non-cucked
>bro-right
pick one

>>58990902
Yo Terry, don't you have an OS to be working on?

>>58990928
I AM SPREADING GOD'S OFFICIAL WORD AND TAKING OUT NIGGER AGENTS.

>>58990865
>>58990871
Which do you prefer, plain simple fun or misleading others to support proprietary software by calling GNU and Linux 'communist'?

>>58990944
> misleading others to support proprietary software by calling GNU and Linux 'communist'?
If you're critical of this I honestly recommend using reddit's various linux-related boards instead or posting on a bbs/forum instead.

>>58986679
Hello I use I3+conky+dmenu,and I want to be able to change my language input similar to windows what the best way to go about this? Is there a standalone qt/gtk application I can use to switch language input like on windows?

How good is ndiswrapper?

New content on /t/ >>>/t/757277

A game creepy af.

>>58991506
Played this too, absolutly nice.

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>He considers U.S. patent law communist.

>>58991551
Yeah, that is pretty stupid.

>>58991551
(((Patent law))) needs to be destroyed

>>58991591
>(((Patent law)))
have you been banned for 2 months or something?

>>58991176
>standalone
you could try setxkbmap or if you use systemd the "localectl" util.

>>58991600
Fuck off kije

It's confirmed, apt was just an april foold joke: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1998/04/msg00027.html

>>58991176
similar to windows meaning...?
you want a little tray icon thing or do you just want to be able to switch using Alt-Shift? If you're using a muh minimalist WM then just make a file like this with whatever layouts you want.

# /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/language.conf 
Section "InputClass"
        Identifier "system-keyboard"
        MatchIsKeyboard "on"
        Option "XkbLayout" "us,ru"
        Option "XkbVariant" ",phonetic"
        Option "XkbOptions" "grp:alt_shift_toggle"
EndSection

IRC channels you might want to look
#linuxbeginner @ freenode
#linuxhelp @ freenode
#linuxn00b @ freenode
#linuxpadawan @ freenode
#alsa @ freenode
##kernel @ freenode
#kmod @ freenode
#linux-kernel @ freenode
#linux-libre @ freenode
#lxcontainers @ freenode

Any other you want to share?

>>58991737
>

        Option "XkbLayout" "us,ru"

>tfw friends think you're a western spy because you can't squat on heels, but it's because of an ankle injury.

Should I use apt or apt-get? I'm new to debian-based distros, and so far apt just seems like apt-get with less features and slightly better syntax.

>>58991836
also, why the hell do I need to type 2 commands just to do a normal update???

>>58991551
Patent law is communist since it's a tool used to create monopolies.
It protects the big corporation and annihilates the small inventor.

>>58991836
you can use both at the same time.

>>58991874
one updates the metadata, the other updates the packages.

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>>58991834
нa бpaтaн, пoлyчaй cвoи (Bы)

>>58991836
They used to have seperate package lists, so you should have used one or the other, but not both for installing, but now they share the same data, so you can use them interchangeably.
apt-cache show <package> is my fav. Shows recommends, depends, all the good info.

What's the best russian translator? Google failed me once again.

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>>58991944
Being/knowing a native Russian

>>58991176
Edit this line to suit yout needs and put it in your ~/.xinitrc

setxkbmap -layout us,rs,rs -variant ,latin, -option grp:caps_toggle,terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp

It will allow you to use CapsLock to toggle keyboard layouts (Shift+CapsLock takes on the original CapsLock functionality).
In my case it toggles US, Serbian cyrillic (which is the default variant) and Serbian latin.
Because -layout has 3 arguments, -variant must also have 3 (even if they are non-existent, in which case it assumes the default); notice that there's nothing before the comma in front of latin and nothing after the comma after latin.
Use

localectl list-x11-keymap-layouts

to list available layouts and

localectl list-x11-keymap-variants [layout]

to list variants for the given layout.
You can use xkb-switch or xkblayout-state to print your current layout and variant if you want to make it show in your bar/conky/whatever.
I have this simple script

#!/bin/bash
if [ $(xkb-switch) == 'rs(latin)' ]; then
    echo lat
fi
if [ $(xkb-switch) == 'rs' ]; then
    echo cyr
fi

and this entry in the i3blocks config to invoke it

[layout]
command=~/bin/kblayout.sh
interval=1

See
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Keyboard_configuration_in_Xorg
for more details.

>>58991944
7/10 made me chuckle

>>58991875
>monopolies
Capitalism can be as big an enemy of free enterprise as communism is.

>>58991176
Also, that

terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp

allows you to kill xorg with Ctrl+Alt+Backspace.

GPL is free as in free market. BSD/MIT are blank checks to some other guy but you.

>>58992023
Do you have to start this shitstorm all over again?

Also free market by definition is unregulated.

>>58992038
See the other posts, the storm already started.

why are we having this shitty free market discussion instead of learning moar gnu/linux?

>>58991944
apparently 4chan filters certain cyrillic letters to the identically shaped latin ones...
a б в г д e ё ж з и й к л м н o п p c т y ф х ц ч ш щ ъ ы ь э ю я
A Б B Г Д E Ё Ж З И Й К Л M H O П P C T Ф Х Ц Ч Ш Щ Ъ Ы Ь Э Ю Я

a б в г д e ё ж з и й к л м н o п p c т y ф х ц ч ш щ ъ ы ь э ю я
A Б B Г Д E Ё Ж З И Й К Л M H O П P C T Ф Х Ц Ч Ш Щ Ъ Ы Ь Э Ю Я

I currently have a 970 but want to try AMD because nvidia are faggots who hate GNU/Linux. Is the open source amd driver usable? How much performance do you get compared to catalyst?

>>58992038
You're a dumb idiot for replying to him.

>>58992061
So no way to translate dimitry here?

Convince a windows 10 user to use Linux

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>>58992136

>>58992136
http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net/

>>58992136
Literally the only downside is software support.

>>58992162
what did he mean by this?

Trying to boot an openSUSE live USB I made with dd. I select the USB in bios, and it gives a warning about "linux.iso not found" and then goes to grub, where I have win10 dual booted. The message is literally too fast to read, but the filename that's missing is something with Linux in the name and possibly iso on the end.

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>>58992136
Less bitchy about updates and upgrades, more distro options.

>>58992170
Linux can do everything Windows does and more, and it usually does it better.

The only exception to this is that Windows has more available software, especially games and professional software, like CAD or video editing programs.

>>58992157
>Forget about viruses
Not even remotely true

>Is your system unstable?
Because linux doesn't require hours of troubleshooting for its myriad of system issues

>Linux protects your computer
Security through obscurity != Security

>Don't pay for OS
Nobody does

>No more c**pware
Have you SEEN most FOSS applications?

>Freedom!
Only if everything is GPL licensed, which several core drives probably won't be

>Why would you still need to install stuff
literally what

>Forget about drivers
This is just making shit up

>Update all your software with a single click
Unless it wasn't installed or doesn't exist in your package managers repo

>Linux gets software for you
To the extent windows does, sure

>Spinnan cubez
SPINNAN CUBEZ

>Using disk fragmentation as an argument in 2017

>Choose DE
Valid

>It's green!
>No backdoors!
>It won't slow down!
All hearsay and not empirically true

>Free and unlimited support
what.

>Workspaces
Available on windows

>No big mess in your start menu
Irrelevant to the OS

>Don't wait years for bugs to be solved
Again, what?

>Games for free
>Use multiple IM in one program
>Music player
>Check the weather
All irrelevant to the OS

/autism

>>58992227
fuck off pajeet

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>>58992227

>>58992107

bash-4.4$ cat test | perl -ne'for(split/ /){print "$_ " unless ord > 127}}END{print "\n"'
a e o p c y A B E M H O P C T 
 a e o p c y A B E M H O P C T 

substitutions occur both inside and outside code tags.
surprised that К isn't on the list.
This would explain why DESU doesn't work but твн does, дecy

>>58992304
>surprised that К isn't on the list.
>This would explain why DESU doesn't work but твн does, дecy
I need to learn russian.

>>58992227
tell me now, do you do it for free?

>>58992267
>>58992272
The only reason to install linux is
1) Your hardware is really old
2) You want to set up a home server
3) You want to do something very esoteric with your computer
or
4) You want to avoid the botnet

Avoiding the botnet is all the reason most people should need.
That website is full of actual bullshit though.

>>58992343
Are you good with (human) languages?
Do you know German, Latin, Greek, or any other language that declines words by case?
Do you have loads of time to devote to this?
Are you content knowing that you will probably never be able to speak it fluently?
Do you love grammar?
Are you a masochist?

It's objectively one of the greatest and most expressive languages ever, but it's only worth trying to learn if all/most of the above apply to you.

If you just want to Google Translate Russian text from 4chan, just open up the virtual keyboard and replace the letters in >>58992304 with the ones that look the same (I think capital Y also applies). The substitutions throw off the translator.

>>58992362
But that is wrong. All the software I need is only on this platform. There might be alternatives on Windows, but I don't care.

Can I undervolt a RX480 on GNU/Linux?

>>58992362
5) Total fucking control and freedom to tailor your system to your needs.

>>58992362
I can't even use windows anymore.
I need my tiling wm and my keybinds, my scripts, nice and easy development environment, vim, command line tools, etc..

>>58992450
Having a tiling wm is a must for me too. Maybe I'm retarded but I have tons of difficulty using Windows with just one monitor now.

>>58992450
This I can relate. Just imagine how many people would go on protest if GNU/Linux were banned, not even a joke.

>>58992487
>if GNU/Linux were banned
is such a thing even possible?

>>58992508
They can try.

>>58992487
Literally dozens :^)

srsly though i would flip the fuck out.

I want to stream my phone camera to my pc (no reason to buy a dedicated webcam), what is the best way to do that without installing spyware on my phone or pc?

>>58992576
Sorry about the name thou https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=net.majorkernelpanic.spydroid

I'm currently setting up nextcloud on my VPS to get away from Google. Is it good? Should I be using something else.

>>58992155
How is it still streaming?

>>58992606
already tried, it's bad and anyway doesn't work on my device:
>rtsp protocol doesn't work with mpv and is completely fucked with vlc (low fps, corrupted frames..).
>http interface has facebook shit included.

>>58992637
2 PCs. One runs the game, the other grabs the output and handles the streaming. It's a pretty common setup.

>>58992657
So why didn't it restart on the capture PC also?

>>58992713
I'm guessing that both of them don't have the exact same Windows update settings.

>>58992358
>>58992272
>>58992267

not >>58992227 but he's kinda right about a lot of it and sites like that are actually bad because they present oversimplified or flat-out wrong arguments.

>>58992742
Please,adult DVD

Kill the botnet >>58989150

>>58992227
The phrase security through obscurity doesn't mean what you think it does.
You're right about it being completely ineffective though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_through_obscurity

>>58992807
>everyone on 4chan boycotting would not put a dent in Alphabet's revenue

>>58992807
lol

Jesus Christ, using a 970 with GNU/Linux is a fucking pain. Never buying nvidia again.
>Mint
Just werks™
>Any other distro
Black screen.
>Try adding a bunch of shit to boot options. It gets stuck at varying places in boot, seemingly unrelated to graphics but impossible to solve
>Force integrated in bios
>Finally boots
>Install nvidia package, OpenGL stuff and nvidiautils. Run nvidia xconfig.
> refuses to fucking boot
>Blacklist nouveau because still getting nouveau errors
>Still getting errors or black screen
>Back to integrated
>Purge nvidia stuff from CLI, reinstall
>Finally fucking works
Fuck nvidia. Nouveau is dogshit with any recent cards, and they hate open source.

My opensuse USB is refusing to boot properly. I get nouveau errors, and then
"sdc no caching mode page found"
"Assuming drive cache write through"
And then it goes to an openSUSE loading screen, before returning to the errors from last time. Eventually it reboots to bios, and then back to the opensuse options.

>>58993086

>"sdc no caching mode page found"
>"Assuming drive cache write through"

Those are normal, I get them with any USB flash drive as well. Focus on the nouveau errors instead.

How do you set up sleep/hibernate so that you can do it as a normal user?
I'm using Gentoo with i3 and I can use "s2ram" to put my machine to sleep but I have to do it as root. How can I do it as my normal user?

I don't have "sudo" and I'd rather not set it up just to put my machine to sleep. Is there really no simple way to do it?

>>58993020
>Fuck nvidia. Nouveau is dogshit with any recent cards
So install their gratis Unix driver then. They've actually been writing and releasing drivers for Unix/Linux pretty much forever, back when if you had an ATI card, you were stuck with open source drivers that were about as good as nouveau is today.
It's not that hard to install them either. And if you can't figure out how to do it using your distro's package tools, you can just download their binary installer, and as long as you have the kernel headers installed, it will just build itself for you. I'm not some fanboy but when I started using Linux nvidia was the only one with official 1st-party support and it worked great then, and it's always worked great fro me.

>>58993020
works on my machine™

im actually serious. Got a 970 and have been running the official nvidia drivers for 2 years without any problems

>>58993150

systemd handles it nicely together with polkit

>>58993150
i3 config

## Power Controls
set $system System (e) logout, (s) suspend, (r) reboot, (Shift+s) shutdown
mode "$system" {
    bindsym e exit , mode "default"
    bindsym s exec --no-startup-id sudo /usr/sbin/pm-suspend, mode "default"
    bindsym r exec --no-startup-id sudo /sbin/reboot, mode "default"
    bindsym Shift+s exec --no-startup-id sudo /sbin/shutdown -h now, mode "default"

    # back to normal: Enter or Escape
    bindsym Return mode "default"
    bindsym Escape mode "default"
}
bindsym $mod+Shift+e mode "$system"

/etc/sudoers

%sudo ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/pm-suspend

now anyone can suspend your device (after initial reboot)

>>58993224
>>58993150
>I don't have "sudo" and I'd rather not set it up just to put my machine to sleep

>>58993125
Why am I getting nouveau errors when my display is plugged into the motherboard and it's set to integrated in bios?

>>58993247
just showing him the easy way out, famine

Why aren't you using Source Mage yet, /g/?

>>58993281
because /g/ will recommend another meme in 2-3 weeks.
Gentoo is the only way because it will stay a meme forever

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>>58993185
on the topic of "works on my machine™":

Why have I never had any problems with Nvidia optimus? All I read online is people whining that optimus is a pain in the arse. I just followed the Arch wiki and it werked.

>pic
fuck you google that's definitely not a trumpet

>>58993224
>>58993277
But why isn't s2ram just a group that I can put my users in or something?

I guess I'll think about getting sudo, but I've never needed it before. Seems weird to have to change something like that just to sleep my computer

I want to make a clean Debian netinstall bc my system is bloated as fuck (same install since the #! days)

will the new install mount /home on the partition it is at right now without wiping everything in it?

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>>58993203
wat dis

>>58993281
Still testing in a vm before I go balls deep.

>>58993342
>⭕

I think it's an emoji.

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Why can't I update my Fedora with this graphic package manager but can with dnf in the cli?

I'm interested in a rolling release that werks more than arch but is overall similar. Preferably with a small, non bloated install. Looks like I should try Fedora or opensuse? Which one is better?

>>58993378

this may open the way for a new kind of shitposting

>>58993427
>small, non bloated install
define

>>58993452

export small="non bloated install"

that wasn't too hard

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>>58993475

>>58993452
Preferably something with no DE by default, and not a huge amount of unnecessary but potentially useful software.

>>58993427
Try either Void or GuixSD. I keep hearing they are better than arch but can't vouch for them thou.

>>58991966
>#!/bin/bash
use #!/bin/sh for more speed
>>58992267
what's wrong with indians?

>>58993441

>when a zero star poster replies to you

>>58993535
there's nothing wrong with indians don't be a newfag

>>58993441
emojis was a mistake

>>58993557
fuck off pajeet

>>58993535
they terk er jerbs

>>58993490
kek

>>58993620
lel

>>58993650
heh

>>58993666
lolololol

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>>58993666
Just passing by to check these digits.

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>>58993493
> not a huge amount of unnecessary but potentially useful software
what's a huge amount and what do you find unnecessary?
Slackware-current is rolling release and if you are confident you can easily trim away things you don't want (all of KDE/XFCE/E/T/F/Y, probably TCL, most of AP/XAP, probably about half of N, the drivers/fonts in X you don't think you'll need)

>>58993676
>>58993666
>>58993650
>>58993620

>>58993804
You might want to read the rules

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>>58987138

>running cinnamon on arch linux
>whenever an additional display is attached, mouse acceleration doubles
Is it possible to turn this off? It's annoying as fuck.

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>>58993905

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Shieeet, finally got nginx to work with nextcloud. Is it bad that I'm proud?

Arch is only a stepping stone.

>>58993992
to what?

>>58993992
Towards?

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>>58993992

>>58993999
>>58994000
source magic

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>>58994025

>>58994025
What are the advantages/disadvantages?

Also, is arch not generally hated on /g/ anymore? Two years ago everyone called it a distro for leet hacker kids.

>>58994048
You get to """"""CAST"""""" """"""""""SPELLS"""""""""" from """""""""""""""""""GRIMOIRES"""""""""""""""""""

>>58994048
>Also, is arch not generally hated on /g/ anymore? Two years ago everyone called it a distro for leet hacker kids.
it's a meme, but pro- and anti- fanboyism may play a role.

>>58994072
Well, I'm already on my way to becoming a wizard...

4chan is just a stepping stone

>>58994072
>Each package is called a “spell”
>To install a package the user must “cast” that spell
>A set of available spells is called a “grimoire”.
>To uninstall a package the user must “dispel” the spell

seriously what is this autism

how do I use qemu to virtualise a live usb image, instead of actually booting it?

>>58994072
>tfw things you posted are being reposted verbatim

>>58994047
>>58994048
imagine a source-based distro that has been around for as long as gentoo but nobody uses it, hardly anyone maintains it, and the people that do are complete fucking amateurs who cling to it because it feeds their delusion that they have supernatural powers because they know how to type ./configure && make && make install

>>58994126
>>Each package is called a “spell”
jesus christ that's some solid autism
just fucking use gentoo

>>58994126
>autism
sorcery*

>>58994025
is there any reason to not just use Gentoo?

>>58994158
see >>58994072

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>>58994153
>>58994151
>>58994126
>>58994095
>>58994072
>>58994025

>>58994151
that sure is a cool disney funny merlin

Do I have to remind people from where Unix takes its idiom?

>>58994179
yes

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>>58994158
yeah, if you have a pulse and are able to write an email to the """"""COUNCIL OF ELDERS""""" you can become the lead maintainer of anything you want

what are some interesting denial of service techniques on wlan clients except spamming shit to saturate the maximum bandwidth or sending fake deauth packets?

>>58994186
No https://sourcemage.org/Magic%20idiom

>>58994111
towards?

>>58994134
what do you mean?

>>58994134
By following the qemu wiki instructions
>Pretty easy.
There's a thing that writes isos to bootable usb sticks, and also has a qemu tab, but the qemu part didn't work very good for me. The other features were good.
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-install-multiple-bootable-operating-systems-on-one-usb-stick/

>>58994208
stormfront or reddit probably

>>58994188
oh wow

>>>/wsg/1542993
GNU LINUX THREAD ON WSG
>>>/wsg/1542993
GNU LINUX THREAD ON WSG
>>>/wsg/1542993

I dumped most of what I have. Will drop more tonight but want activity in thread.

>>58994238
Really good webm in the OP, really good.

>>58994196
>Given that our target user base is primarily experienced admins who want their systems built their way and new users honestly interested in learning, it suits us fine if people more concerned about names than concepts don't want to come along for the ride.
The problem here is that SM offers nothing that isn't available on other distros except for a package manager that forces you to use words like "cast", "spell", and "grimoire". If you want a distro where everything is compiled from source and you can spend lots of time changing build options, there's a better choice that doesn't use those words in basic system administration. If you want a distro that is easy to learn on, there's a better choice that doesn't teach you words you will never be able to use on any other operating system. If you want a distro that is easy to use, or well-maintained, or with an active and broad user community to get support from, don't even touch this shit.

>>58994223
/g/ should raid them, become maintainers of every grimoire, then change it into the most meme gnu/linux ever

>>58994208
death

>>58994342
everything is a stepping stone towards death

new thread
>>58994385

Should I switch to "neovim" or stick to regular ol' vim?
I've tried nvim for a while and it seems way more responsive. Sometimes vim can lag for even up to a full second

>>58988002
servers are not the "majority of computers" retard