/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

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What's the best way to wash/clean the screen on a chinkpad?

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>tfw you drop a tiny screw

>>58964838
with semen

do want
http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/x-series/x1-carbon/

I need a thinkpad for schoolwork. Gonna be taking a lot of notes and need it to have decent battery and fast for light gaymen

I'm seeing a 160 usd x230, a 120 t420, and a 180 t430

which one should I aim for? they all are in good condition with decent specs

>>58964838
Anything you ordinarily use for cleaning glass stuff. I usually just use window cleaner desu.

>>58964936
The X230 will probably be the best fit.

Screen protectors for my x230t? Can I go with any made for a 12.5" screen?

>>58965060
Why would you want a screen protector for a laptop?

>>58965060
Is searching ebay really so hard?

>>58965075
I'm afraid I'll scratch the screen with the stylus. A lot of awful condition x220t/30s on ebay but I somehow lucked out and got a really nice condition one for $100.

I also notice vertical pattern scratches on the bottom of the lcd on a lot of them. Is that from the keyboard?

>>58965075
x230t is a tablet too. Touch and stylus screen.

I believe that I want a Thinkpad T420 with the following specs

>1600x900 screen
>i7
>USB 3.0
>SD card reader
>webcam
>SSD
>Displayport

It would be used for watching video, music, reading blogs, 4chan, car ECU tuning, and some school work(electrical engineering technician). It would usually have a second 1080p plugged in and would be replacing my current desktop since I can move my torrents, four terabyte media collection, and light gaming to my old Core2quad Nvida GT520 desktop. I can switch the stock DVD drive for the stock HDD to make room for the SSD, right?

Is the T420 the right laptop for me? I don't mind paying up to $400CAD either already with those specs or having to install the SSD myself.

>>58965196
t420 doesn't natively support usb 3. t430 is whre they started usb 3 support. there are express card adapters however for thinkpads i thnk

http://www.ebay.com/itm/122350157558?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Is this a good deal? I have an SSD and 8gb of RAM that I can use.

>>58965196
You may need an XP laptop for some ECU software. Check system requirements.

For ECU tuning you also want the smallest laptop possible. If Win7 is OK, A X220 or X230 would be best.

For those other things, a larger screen might be better for you.

>>58965196
You really want a T430. You could probably get away with one for $300 and hit all three checkmarks.

I have a T430 and I didn't have to replace the HDD or the disk drive to install an SSD. I just fit mine onto the second mSATA slot beneath a back panel. Granted it's not a huge one, it's just a little 120 GB one for booting into, but it allows me to use the HDD to access the 90% of files that I don't normally need on a day to day basis.

That, and the T430 has the better keyboard for general uses. All the memery around the T420 is for programming and how its laid out. It doesn't necessarily make the T420 a bad keyboard, but be aware of what the meme is.

>>58965361
looks decent battery life might be shit though

Bought my T420 yesterday. It came with Windows 10 installed. Formatted the HD and Installed W10 again. Now its asking for me to activate windows with the serial number, which I don't have. Beneath the laptop the serial sticker was removed. Didn't bother trying to get the serial in first windows because my last computer stored the serial in the bios settings. Am I screwed?

>>58965196
don't get a t4xx the screens are shit get a t520/t530 or an x220/x230

>>58965589
My X220 screen sucks.

>>58965598
it does but believe it or not the tn panel on the x220/x230 is still superior to the one found on the t420/t430

>>58965427
I see. Is there any reason I should stay away from a T430S? Is the only difference the battery or are there other changes?

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-laptops/oshawa-durham-region/lenovo-thinkpad-t430s-i7-3520m-8gb-ram-500gb-hdd-dvd-rw-win-10/1239527447?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true This isn't very far from me.

>>58965646
battery isnt as good as a normal t430 especially when it has wear its pretty much a 2 hour machine although it is considerably lighter and slightly thinner than a normal t430

>>58965660
Would it take a bigger battery just like a non S model, or does the case of the laptop change? As long as a laptop doesn't weigh a hundred lbs I don't care about weigh. More would kind of be better so it doesn't go flying off the passenger seat during braking while fucking with ECU settings.

>>58965679
the battery is a completely different shape and design compared to the non s model

>>58965537
Remove the battery and look for it there.

>>58965689
they only come in that 1 size although you can replace the optical drive with an ultrabay battery which will improve battery significantly that being said those batteries are rare and expensive

>>58964936
assuming you are taking it on a college campus and will be walking - x230 is lighter

it will also give you better gayman performance as hd4000 igpu was a huge step up from hd3000

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If I buy this extended battery plus the 9 cell standard battery how long will it last? Anyone got one of those?

>>58965943
I get 5-7 hours on my 6 cell in my X230t.

6 cell + 9 cell would be 15-25 hours probably if you control your brightness.

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Enjoy feeling of retro Thinkpad X40 by the ocean.

>only thinkpads with acceptable specs/screen are heavy as fuck

What's wrong with the T420 screen? Seems fine to me.

>>58965962
You got an ssd? I want to buy a new 6 cell battery for my new T430 since I'm only getting around 2:15 hours of battery time. I aim to get 6 hours of time, more or less.

>>58966805
stop being a girl and it stops being a problem

>>58966823
Horrific contrast, color coverage and viewing angles. It looks fine to to you maybe because you've only ever laid your eyes on bottom-of-the-barrel TN trash.

>>58967163
I have Dell Ultrasharps though.

>>58966823
it is the biggest piece of shit screen i've ever laid eyes on

alri lads, where's a good place to get 'pads in the UK? looking on ebay right now but only finding listings for potato-level 1366 x 768 t420s

many thanks, much obliged x

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any ideas on how to DIY fix/replace a broken hdd cover?
my x230 came without, but a piece of plastic glued in place :/

just bought a dell precision m6600 for $400, picking it up on tuesday
i was looking at thinkpads but the specs looked really good so i bought it. does anyone have any experience with this model or dell workstations in general? i have the i7 2820qm + quadro 4000 model

How useful is the tablet/touchscreen on the x220T?

>>58968788
just stick some electrical tape on the top of the drive and leave like 2cm of extra tape off the end.
Then fold over the extra tape so you have like a 1cm grip to pull it out.
Make sure you put like 1-2 inches of tape on the drive though, or else when you tug on the tape it's just going to come right off the drive

>>58968788
You can get a replacement cover+caddy+rails for a few bucks which is your best bet for the long term. Fresh fails will mean you won't have to worry about them stinking so much either.

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What's a good thinkpad for a grill?

>>58969294
For a girl none. For a fat girl a X220.

>>58969346
what about one for a grill who wants a pink macbook?

Just bought an X230
>grade A condition
>4GB RAM
>320GB (already have an SSD)
>i5 2.6GHz
for 210€

I do good?

>>58966583
>those slim hinges
hnggg I'm hard

>>58969441
an pink macbook

>>58969509
That's a pretty good price considering you're Eurofag. Upgrade to 8GB RAM. Dual channel is a must.

>>58969294
>>58969346

My sister used a T400 for years. She isn't even fat.

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>Looks for a memepad on the internet
>Oh look - IPS X220 for 150€
>PM to the seller
>"are you sure it's IPS
>"yea man it's IPS"
>"OK man, ship it"
>Not IPS


Why do people do that??

>>58969881
>Why do people do that??
To make a sale?

>>58969881
sue the motherfucker

>>58969950
All I had to do is pay 12€ shipping, but still annoying af.

Anyone else here sell his desktop after discovering thinkpads?

I love this thinkpad meme, and honestly I wish I had fell for it earlier

>>58969509
I just got mine. Also perfect condition except for the shitty worn off six cell battery. I'll contact the seller and buy one today.

>>58970011
Yeah, I agree to the utmost.

Will probably sell my PC after I'm done with gaming.

Also, anybody knows how to boot win 7 and debian on an x230? Just partition, install, run in BOTH mode and choose whichever I want to boot up? It would be from the same HDD btw.

Thanks.

How come x230s are cheaper than x220s on Ebay in Aus?
An x220 with an i5, 4gb memory and a 160gb ssd in good condition is ~$250, whereas an x230 with an i5, 8gb memory, and 180gb SSD is $230

>>58970846
You should install Windows first, then create a seperate partition for Debian, then install Debian. After that GRUB will let you choose on every bootup.

>>58970866
Condition? x230 is usually a bit better in performance.

Or it could be that thinkpad fags drive up the price since x230 does not have the traditional keyboard layout, for example.

>>58970885
only thinkpad fags and poor buy those shitboxes anyway

>>58970882
Thanks man, do I do anything in particular with the bios?

>>58971014
Thinkpad fags, yes. Poor? Also yes.

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>>58970011
>tfw you achieve enlightenment and are no longer enslaved to the PC hardware arms race

>>58970866
There's always such a small number of any given model on ebay, at prices that are actually reasonable, so prices can seem fucked at first. That said I've noticed that same X230 myself and it seems like a pretty good deal. $20 off on ebay right now makes it even better.

>>58971033
Mind it, I have nothing against poor. It's a decent enough hardware for little money.

What is the problem with new thinkpads?

>>58971181
They're literally just Chinese Dells with red accents

Is it possible to get a "new" T420?

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What is the best ThinkPad of all time?

>>58971151
I agree, I just pointed out I'm a thinkpad fag and poor.

>>58971274
x220

>>58971274
That's a Chinkpad with an IBM logo. Cool :3

>>58971274
X41

>>58971255
considering it's been out of production for 5 years... no.

>>58970011
If only I could connect my 3,5 mm HDDs to my thinkpad.

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>>58971444
T60 is quintessential Thinkpad, lad

>>58964838
bleach and sand paper

>>58971274
I thought widescreens of that era were unloved?

>>58972546
They weren't pretty by any means but they offereed some pretty high resolution screens. 1680x1050 on the widescreen and 1600x1200 on the 4:3 (or 5:4 I'm really not sure). At least on the 15" models. I think the 14" maxed out at 1400x1050

>>58966941
Yeah, Slamsung 840 Pro SSD. I usually keep my brightness pretty low, between 0 and 5 out of 15.

>bought a thinkpad a few months ago
>things work fine for a few weeks
>suddenly audio stops working, as in the audio device isn't recognized or seen as there by windows or linux
>only way to get audio is restart a million times and sometimes the audio works

is it possible the audio hardware is fucked or something is loose ?

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>disabled CPU power saving in BIOS
>everything is noticeably faster
Really makes you think

>>58973028
Have you tried reinstalling audio drivers?

Also, working on a T530 Thinkpad here, screen is meh, but the rest is absolutely perfect, not a powerhouse, but the i5 and 12GB RAM servers me fine for work in most 1st line tech support jobs.

>>58973028
What model?

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Is the W520, dare to say it, the king of Thinkpads?
>affordable
>powerful
>really good screen, even though it's only TN
>has almost all Thinkpad specific functions that were fucked up by lelnovo later

>>58973028
I guess you should look up where the sound card sits on the board and then open it up to see of anything is loose.

>>58973220
T420

>>58973189
I've tried the audio drivers, but the problem is when it detects the sound card audio works fine but when it doesn't I can't even install the audio drivers because it says "error cannot detect device"


I mean I don't know much about thinkpads but I'm assuming it either
>has a loose cable or something
>or is fucked up and only works sometimes

>>58973280
pretty much true. I really don't get why they moved the media keys away from the arrow keys. there was literally no reason for that

>>58973302
Enable the modem in the BIOS
Install the latest BIOS
If that doesn't help even in linux, then it's a hardware problem. You could get an expresscard or USB sound card, but the logical thing would be to return the whole thing

>>58973302
I had same error on my T420. Just reinstal drivers

>>58965293
There are, but they won't come close to actual USB3.0 speeds. I was trying to find one for my X220&T420 but decided it was not worth it

Best 4:3 screen i can put in a T60? Does that change if I put a T61 board in it?

>>58965943
I have one and the slice itself is good for ~5 hours extra and that is on controlled brightness, WiFi on and general internet browsing. W/ the 6 cell in there, I get around 7 hours on my x220T

>>58973363
I have reinstalled the drivers, it didn't help
Maybe I'm using old drivers, what drivers did you use ?

>>58973396
I've got an USB3 expresscard adapter and it uses the exact same chip as the one inside the W520.
>>58973408
Best standard screen is the IPS UXGA one
Some extremely high res (QXGA) screens can be installed with mods but the picture quality and backlight are worse
If you only have an intel GPU performance will be shit. If you have an 1024x768 screen you need a different cable and maybe inverter

>>58973443
Does the audio always work in linux? If not then it's probably a hardware problem, try these:
>>58973354

>>58973457
Can you post the transfer rates of the USB3.0 card? Even if it has the same chip, the port is going to be a bottleneck

>>58973485
nah it's the same with windows in linux, it doesn't even detect an audio device and I just restart it over and over again, sometimes it detects the audio device


i'll try the bio option and see how it works

well, i've restarted like 3 times and audio has been detected each time so I guess it worked or I'm extremely lucky


thanks /tpg/ my hero

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>>58973280
I've been afraid of getting one because it's pricey compared to its brothers, but fuck me if don't want one...

Am I gonna dish out 400€ for this?

>>58973760
>Am I gonna dish out 400€ for this?
Yes. Worth it if you buy one with best specs (quadcore, quadro 2000m)

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>>58973556
Maybe newer cards are fast, this one has an old NEC chip

>>58973860
Thanks for this. Have a good day, anon

>>58973802
>buy one with best specs (quadcore, quadro 2000m)

That's gonna send it above 500€ (yuropoor)

>>58973899
I bought mine for 420€ with those specs
Also has the fullHD screen, 8GB RAM and fingerprint + colorimeter

>>58973457
>If you only have an intel GPU performance will be shit.
So I have to go with the nvidia 570 timebombs? Also, I have a 1024x768. Better just to get a new computer then I imagine.

>>58973919
I guess it's bearable with an intel T61 board, the GMA 950 in the T60 is absolutely useless though. Do not get an Nvidia board from that gen.
Getting a T420/520 and keeping the T60 for toying around would make much more sense

>>58973915
please don't say it was from a czech website or some shit like that

>>58974083
German ebay, small business seller who provides 1 year of warranty
The larger stores which have ebay auctions up all the time are more expensive and don't even have pictures of the actual laptop you will get, i wouldn't trust those

>>58974114
any filters that can help me sort out the big stores or am I gonna have to simply dig in?

Also, price check please.

>T430
>i5 3rd gen
>120GB SSD
>8GB RAM
>1366 screen

I'm only holding back on this because of the screen, but it would serve as workstation with a larger monitor, so I don't know how much it would affect me.

>>58974177
forgot the actual price

200€ - 213 usd

>>58974177
The 15" models have much better screens. What will you use the laptop for?

>any filters that can help me sort out the big stores or am I gonna have to simply dig in?
I just looked at the offerings for a few days

>>58973958
>Do not get an Nvidia board from that gen.
This meme. Failures have been shown to be less than 1%, fag.

>>58974241
Programming, Illustrator, some video editing.

>>58974256
You're wrong. And it doesn't really matter anyway as even newer iGPUs will outperform the shitty NVS

>>58974258
It should be fine for that. Just be prepared for the extremely shitty internal screen

>>58974177
If you connect it to an external screen, go for it. You can also upgrade the internal screen later.

>>58974325
>You can also upgrade the internal screen later

How hard is this to do? Keep in mind I've never even built a tower pc yet.

>>58974342
It's not that hard.

>remove 2 screws from the screen bezel
>take the bezel off (careful because it's fragile)
>remove 4 screws from the screen
>remove the screen and unplug it
>plug in the new screen
>put the screws back
>put the bezel back on
done

Hey /g currently using a x240 and battery management sucks.
It first drains the external battery complete and then starts using the internal one...
Is it possible to write a script to stop the external one at 20% and than use the internal one till it's at 20% too?

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I have a T500 and a W500, both in decent condition, which I'm not using right now. Which should I feel worse about tearing apart and using as the base for a project laptop that may or may not be a frankenpad by the end?

>>58974342
Check out the service manual
https://thinkpads.com/support/hmm/hmm_pdf/t430_t430i_hmm_en_0b48304_03.pdf
>>58974436
The workstation models are much more rare, I'd keep that one pure

>>58974417
If he hasn't even built a desktop telling him to do a screen replacement is folly

Is a T61 for €25 a good deal?

>>58974290
>even newer iGPUs will outperform the shitty NVS
>Uh, yea, just go ahead and install a new iGPU in that there Core II.
How new are you to this?

>>58974552
>Is a T61 for €25 a good deal?

Will you get €25 enjoyment out of it?

I figure if you spend 6 hours fucking around with it and then it spends the rest of its life on the shelf as some memorabilia then you got a good deal. Unless enjoyment is worth less than €4/hr to you, of course.

>>58974552
Only if it doesn't have an nvidia card and actually works

>>58974607
You can get a T420 for almost the same price as a working T61p mainboard

>>58974615
Looks like somebody's got a meme to push. Is Intel still paying you to post this shit? They haven't laid you off yet?

>>58974610
>>58974615
It does have an NVidia card, battery seems be perfect, original charger. The hinges are loose though. I wish to resell it and I have to pay the €25 in half an hour, if I decide to buy it.

>>58974661
It looks like they go for $50+ in the USA, so you might be able to flip it. The question is, can you find a buyer?

The profit margin is probably slim enough that it's not worth the time if that's your only incentive.

>>58974661
Also, if you're stressing out about €25 you probably shouldn't be buying unnecessary things.

>>58974661
>It does have an NVidia card
It's probably been reflowed to "fix" it and it will break after a few days of usage
Keep that in mind when reselling that trash

>>58974727
>shilling this hard over a decade old laptop

>>58974552
thats a nice deal, if the batery is usable even bether

>>58974768
>>58974641
>being this paranoid about ""shilling""
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1004378/why-nvidia-chips-defective

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can someone identify what model that is the retard seler just labeled it just as a thinkpad

>>58974800
>http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1004378/why-nvidia-chips-defective
ALL OF THE CHIPS ARE DEFECTIVE GUYS
Not all of the chips are defective. A very small percentage were. If a T61p is working today, it is gonna be fine.

Seriously find something better to do with your life than continue a nearly decade-old shill.

>>58974610
I put my old T60 to good use by using it as my DNS server. It's not really efficient though. I'm gonna replace it with a Raspberry Pi and then install XP on the T60 to play some older games that modern Windows won't run.

>>58974844
Looks like it has a pentium 3, which means it's ancient
>>58974858
What if the T61p was stored and just recently "revived" by a reflow? And laptop cards breaking isn't a meme at all.

fan on my t500 sounds like Lance Armstrong put an entire deck of cards in his spokes and then retrofit his bike with a two stroke. Is there a way to lube it or does the whole fan assembly need to be replaced?

>>58975131
You only need to replace the fan itself, not the heatsinks (copper parts)

>>58964753
bought a T440p with i7 4710, 256gb ssd, 16gb ram & gt 730m for 320€. Only problem is there is a bootup password, any idea on how to remove it ?

>>58975205
Way to buy stolen goods.

>>58975231
came with official receipt and everything

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>>58975158
neat thanks

>>58975205
Try this:
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/580771/Lenovo-Thinkpad-T440p.html?page=38

Also go into the BIOS and check if Compurace is enabled. If it is then you probably bought a stolen laptop which won't work for long

>>58975273
its 100% not stolen, its just a company that sold all their thinkpads and some had a pass on them

>>58975258
Make sure that the heatsink is not too dusty and apply new thermal paste onto the CPU and GPU when you put everything together again

>>58975294
Still check it, if it is enabled they can always do what they want with your laptop

>>58973117
T60p bro, my T60p back home is almost identical. The 1600x1200 is awesome but the age of the panel and the looseness of the hinges don't really fill me with as much desire to use it as I should have.

>>58974470
It's like 8 screws total. I can't imagine anyone fucking it up.

>>58975400
The only issue with my panel is dust inside the screen, otherwise pretty good. Hinges aren't loose at all.

>>58975432
I managed to break one of the screws just by applying a bit too much force

I just found X201t, for 220$.
>1366x768
>3GB RAM
>Core i7-2620M
>128GB SSD
And they're throwing a bag and 8GB USB flash drive as well.

Should I go for it?

>>58975547
something is off. the X201t doesn't have a 1366x768 screen. Only 1280x800

>>58975618
Hmm, maybe it's a mistake?
Anyway is the price good for those specs?

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70's when

>>58975738
It's OK I guess. Though for the same price you could get an X220t with 4GB RAM. This would be an i5 model but the difference isn't noticeable from my experience. It's got a higher resolution screen and the pen works better.

Which Thinkpad that can be had for less than $200 has the best battery life? Models than can be bought and upgraded for that price count.

Are there any new Thinkpads with decent keyboards? Or are these cucks really doubling down and trying to force consumers to love the shit their shoveling?

http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/why-you-should-give-in-to-the-new-thinkpad-keyboard

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>trying to win an auction on a pristine t60 frankenpad
>current bid is $85
>try to snipe with $100.01
>last 10 seconds
>can't enter bid because someone just bid $100
>try to offer more
>click the automatic "one more dollar" button with 3 seconds left
>loading
>you've lost the auction

>>58975944
Go for some X series. X200 or X201. Sometime you'll find an X220 for less than $200 but these typically have some flaws. You can upgrade storage and RAM. In the X series the CPU can't be switched because it's soldered.

>>58975547
an x201 won't have a 2nd gen core, so the model of that i7 is also wrong. too much incorrect information to trust the listing imo

>>58975547
That's probably an X220t

>>58975809
>This would be an i5 model but the difference isn't noticeable
I see, there's x220t for 190$ but with 320 GB HDD.
I assumed i7 is better since many people here swap the i5 with i7 on there T420.

>>58976051
If that so then should I go for it?

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my t430s's hinges are kinda loose compared to my old t410. Is this normal or the hinges are to be replaced ? I am also considering display mod, so it might be better to combine both interventions

>>58976209
Ask the seller what it really is, chances are he just copied the specs from some random website and they don't match the machine at all

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-NVS-5400M-vs-Intel-HD-4000-Desktop-115-GHz/m7907vs2169

what the fuck is the point of buying a t430/t530 with dedicated graphics?

>>58976183
That's a bit of a difference because if you swap it on a T420 you're swapping a second gen i5 for a second gen i7. The X201t has a first gen i7 while the X220t comes with a second gen i5. It's basically the same except the graphics is way better on the X220t. Concerning the HDD, an SSD isn't really that expensive anymore.

>>58976234
Either way the seller is running a local shop.
I'd need to go there and test myself and see.
never trusted online shopping.
>>58976278
>Concerning the HDD, an SSD isn't really that expensive anymore.
The SSD here are either really expensive or questionable source.

>>58976278
Only sandy bridge supports SATA3

>>58976316
Where do you live? Can't you order via Amazon?

How badly will using the optical slot as another HDD drive bay effect my battery life?

What's the thinkpad software that shows you the battery capacity?

I have a tub of battery to choose from and I want to pick a good one.

>>58976393
lenovo power manager if you refer to the big green gauge near the taskbar, it can also be installed on windows 10 with some workarounds

>>58976390
Depends how much you use it. It won't drain that much power because the HDD will be powered off if you don't use it for a certain time. At least on Windows. I don't know if it's the same on Linux.

>>58976360
I "can" order but have to use third party service, which I'm 90% sure they just look for the cheapest knock-off and charge the full price of the original product, the rest 10% they get your order wrong.
>>58976390
Optic drive uses more power than HDD, but it's not always on, So I doubt it would be more than 1 hour or so.

T61 or T400?

>>58976461
Are you... are you that guy from that mudslime "republic" that's actually a military dictatorship who posted here a few days back?

>>58976436
>>58976461
I barely get three hours at the moment... more of an incentive to get a 9 cell.

>>58971415
that was the last acceptable one
far from best

>>58976485
t400

>>58976485
Both of those are quite old and have problems

>>58976485
If you aren't going for a T601F, go with a T400.

>>58976661
What are the problems that T400 has?

I found a x200 that is cheap too but the resolution is rather small.

>>58976763
The USB ports literally break apart

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>>58976485
T60 will be infinitely more comfy and a e s t h e t i c

>>58976791
t60 is useless in 2017, its pretty much a fucking garden gnome

>>58976791
>buying a 10 year old laptop

It's only usable for light web browsing/shitposting and watching 720p videos

posted from my T60p

>>58976791
>tfw people still want over 100€ for these old slow shittops
would pay like max 30€ for that thing but not a cent more. i have seen even a t23 that costs over 100 and that has an completely useless pentium 3 cpu

>>58976898
once things get that old people automatically start thinking that they have some magical retro value

it's the same thing with apple garbage
ipod touches are close to worthless relative to older clickwheel ipods

>>58976763
The T61 has unique properties (last 4:3 capable Thinkpad, has one less rootkit than i* generations), but there's no point going for the T400 when you could get a laptop that's a whole 3 generations newer (T430) for only a little bit more. That means fresher batteries, smaller CPU die (430 is 22nm which is pretty current) and fewer issues.

>>58976956
dont get a t430/t420 the screens are awful

>>58976982
Do you really think anyone who buys a Thinkpad cares about the screen? They got decent resolution options, that's all that matters.

>>58977001
I do clearly. It wouldnt be a big deal if the screen was just average at best (like your standard tn screen you see on an entry level laptop) but its downright awful.

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>>58977001
you are the reason we didn't get IPS screens back until the rock-bottom --40 generation

fuck you, thinkpad screens used to be top of the line

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>>58976661
>>58976746
>>58976807
>>58976826
>>58976898
>>58976935
So this is how low nu/g/ has fallen

There's nothing a new """"ThinkPad"""" can do that the classic T60 can't.

best linux distro for T61? i like to start with ubuntu

>>58977059
I don't see why people would care for good colors and contrast on a business laptop. It's not like they were designed with people in mind who would use them 6 years later for shitposting and watching anime.

>>58977060
Except, you know,
- have better SATA speeds
- have nonshit CPUs and GPUs that don't have to run at 100% load all the time
- have screens that are actually usable under sunlight

>>58977083
Ubuntu is good but don't use standard with Unity. That's a major fuckup. Lubuntu is probably your go to distro from the Ubuntu line.

>>58977060
you're delusional

>>58977060
Nothing wrong with the T60, but the question was between the T61 and T400. One laptop has a GPU that desolders itself and the other doesn't. It's not a hard choice to make.

>>58966583
>X40
There is no way that the poster who constantly proclaims about how fast theirs is is telling the truth. My (admittedly base model CPU) G40 is slow as fuck with web browsing (firefox with uBlock) and is certainly more powerful than that little thing.

>>58977130
Nice.
Any version you'd reccommend, or should I just start with the latest?

>>58964861
i dropped every screw in the top half of my X61t on the carpet yesterday. took 30 minutes to find most of them and I'm sure I'm still missing a few.

>>58977105

Some of us just want all the delicious stuff in ThinkPads without skimping on the screen.

>>58977176
G40 is a Northwood Pentium 4, even if it is a desktop CPU it's still a piece of shit compared to Pentium M. The G40 was considered slow when it was new.

>>58977200
Either use 16.10 for the latest version or 16.04 to get long term support. I wouldn't recommend anything older.

>>58977225
>Some of us
then you're just not the people who thinkpads were designed for. plain and simple. the screens were made to display text. they do that.

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>>58977060
I need 16+GB of RAM for multiple VMs.

I need SATA III SSDs for transfer rates, VMs, etc.

I need a screen that can be seen in anything brighter than a dimly lit room.

I need a battery that lasts 6+ hours without resorting to an UltraBay battery + 9 cell battery.

I need Wireless AC for transfer rates where gigabit LAN is not available.

I need multiple cores and multiple threads for VMs and multitasking.

I need HD4000+ for video playback.

I need USB 3.0 for transfer rates.

I need a stylus for controlling the PC when it is in tablet mode during a site survey for Wireless AP planning/troubleshooting.

I need slice batteries for 24+ hour unplugged usage while moving from site to site without a chance to plug in for more than 5 minutes.

I need DP or HDMI to connect to digital projectors and monitors.

Though I will admit, for *many* people, a T60 is adequate.

>>58977060
depends on use case
Not everyone has the same needs as you

You could use plenty of old machines as a dumb terminal and web browser
Doesn't mean it's applicable for every use case

>>58977246
Thanks friend!

>>58977243
I'm thinking of throwing in something with HT in it. Whats the fastest i can shove in here anyways?

>>58977269
>local VMs
please

>>58977293
btw it seems like you don't know about their release cycle

>A major version every April (.04) and October (.10)
>The first number is the year (16.04 in 2016, 17.04 in 2017)
>Every 2 years the April release will be LTS (Long Term Support). These get Updates for 5 years.

>>58974715
not the guy, but you don't get it. Buying things the cheapest you can for the best unit possible gives you a sense of satisfaction. It has nothing to do with stressing about money. At least that's how it is for me

>tfw got memepad x220t
>seller estimates I'll get it before March 14th
Fuck. I can't wait that long.

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>>58976485
>t400
>black level: 3cd/m2

>>58976791
>>58977060
Stupid question, but, can the t60 run a 64-bit OS? I'm looking to dual boot Windows Embedded 7 and GNU+Linux.
(If it helps, I'm going to upgrade it to a 2.33ghz CPU and 4gb ram if it doesn't have them already)

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I can't believe I let you retards shill me into buying a T420s.


>screen is fucking awful, 1600x900 TN panel, no touch either
>battery lasts 2 hours of web browsing, 4 with ultrabay, and this isn't a NoVidya model
>have to be tethered to outlets with a massive ugly charger, the ultimate 120v cuck
>processor weak as fuck because it's lmao 7 generations old sandy vagina
>even with the fans screaming it's still trying to cook my balls off
>Lags playing Netflix and youtube
>can barely run winshit when I'm trying to do work
>speakers are lousy
>spacebar broke almost instantly
>It cracks if you drop it, durability was a straight up lie
>Express port is useless because when you plug something into it, the entire card pops out
>picking it up by the screen was a lie too
>the touchpad is awful

Fuck you /g/

>>58977509
If it's a Merom CPU (T7***), it's 64-bit. You only get 3GB of RAM regardless of CPU architecture though because of the shitty chipset.

>>58977592
nobody tricked you into doing anything, you're the one that pulled the trigger

stop blaming everyone but you for your own failures

>>58977597
I just had to look up the 3gb of ram thing, and holy shit. I need at least 4gb for my other shenanigans, I think I'm going to look for a 4:3 t61 and maybe frankenstein it later.
Thanks man.

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>>58977592
read the threads idiot. when buying a used thinkpad be prepared to

>buy a new battery or re calibrate the old one at least
>upgrade ram
>upgrade hdd to ssd if you want
>put on new thermal paste

that's thinkpad 101.

concerning the screen, you got a good resolution for the size. what more do you wish for? keep in mind that this is a business notebook. it was made to display text documents and spreadsheet. you wouldn't even need color for that. seriously, get informed before you buy shit, retard

>>58977592
plenty of sandy bridge thinkpads in people's hands that run windows, stream vids, and stay at a reasonable temp just fine. maybe the thermal paste needs refreshing

all batteries' capacity degrade over time. check how many cycles they've had with the power software. t420s is known for lower battery life than other thinkpads of that time, anyway. do your research before buying something

anything that's broken (keyboard, expresscard) on a used laptop is kind of your responsibility to fix yourself, or bring up with the seller if they misrepresented the products condition

as for your other issues, well, it's a $150ish used laptop. either live with a few compromises, or don't

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>>58977592
nice bait

Yeah the battery isnt the best, I agree. The screen is bollocks too.

The charger is literally the same as anything else. kys pls

>proceeds to complain about windows
stop using a garbage operating system and blaming good hardware on its failures.

the cooling is pretty shit but unless you're a gamer or using wingdings, you wont exert it.

>picking it up by the screen was a lie too
ever picked a cat up by its tail?

>It cracks if you drop it, durability was a straight up lie
well no shit sherlock

>>58978023
I guess it's like buying an old iPhone and complaining about it not running smoothly

>>58977592
you're right on few points, but it shouldn't lag on youtube and netflix. It should be cool too. Something's wrong with it. Unless it's t420s with i7 - then you dun gooffed

>>58977592
>screen is fucking awful, 1600x900 TN panel, no touch either
You bought one of the low end word processing models? Thats on you, not the laptop. Plenty came with better screens.

>battery lasts 2 hours of web browsing, 4 with ultrabay, and this isn't a NoVidya model
This is what happens on 6 year old batteries at high brightness with constant use.

>processor weak as fuck because it's lmao 7 generations old sandy vagina
Sandy Bridge is plenty powerful except for its integrated graphics.

>even with the fans screaming it's still trying to cook my balls off
Change the 6 year old paste?

>Lags playing Netflix and youtube
Probably related to the above throttling, perhaps non SSD hard drive.

>can barely run winshit when I'm trying to do work
Does it have an SSD? Even a 12 core 4ghz Xeon with 64 gigs of ram will do this on a 7200 RPM.

>speakers are lousy
This isn't a media center laptop. Speakers are for web conferences and OS sounds.

>spacebar broke almost instantly
6+ year old laptop? That means the space bar lasted 6 years and happened to expire after you got it.

>It cracks if you drop it, durability was a straight up lie
Thinkpad, even the newer ones, are more durable than typical shit tops. Still, if you allow sensitive plastic electronics to impact hard surfaces at high velocity, they can break no matter how 'durabe' they are designed to be.

I'm looking to buy a solid state drive for my t420.

What would you recommend?

>>58978435
I'm buying Samsung 850 PROs these days, or 850 EVO if you don't want the RAMdisk boost.

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>be me
>order frankenpad
>wait anxiously waiting for my greatest purchase ever. Finally, a FRANKENPAD!
>get frankenpad
>go to replace the CMOS battery and thermal paste.
>have t9500 ready to put in ;^)
>look at board
>oh no
>WTF
>NO PENRYN SUPPORT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>Literally crying.
>this was supposed to be my ultimate computer
>my frankenpad
>my 4:3
>my IBM logo
>CRAPPY FREAKING SOCKET M
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>HYPERVENTILATING
>JUST CANNOT STAND TO LIVE
>THIS CHIPSET CAN GO TO HELL
>I BOUGHT A SAMSUNG SSD
>8GB of DDR2 that's EXPENSIVE AS HECK
>and then this
>THIS
>I an LITERALLY HELD DOWN by this crappy thing and it's stupid freaking board
>I can't even turn this thing on.
>it disgusts me
>literally reminds me of all of my shame
>how I can never come out on a deal
>how I will always be laughed at
>how the world has given my fate

this was supposed to be it. I needed this. This was going to turn it all around. I was going to do work with this. We would rise to the top. Now the darkness is setting in.

Anybody else ever have this feel?
Hold me bros.

>>58977592
yeah you really fucked up, the t420s sucks balls

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>>58978383
Yes it has a nice ass samshit Pro SSD, and I already did the Arctic Silver Jew and bought a new battery.
This is my second one actually since I spilled coke all over the first.

>ThinkPads are magic, they are amazing for the price

>You get what you pay for faggot

Nice

>>58978522
wtf are you talking about? whats a frankenpad and why dont you just get another board for it if thats the problem?

>>58978550
ok show the temps, ssd bench, battery cycles

>>58978522
qq more

>>58964753
x220 owner here, Thinking about getting into retro tech, never grew up in those times so would like to play around with it - where should I start I was thinking dell optiplex and windows 95? I know this isn't the perfect place to ask but are there any old think* products worth getting?

>>58978550
Post your battery info screenshots from the ThinkVantage power software.

Show SSD info and benchmarks.

Show resource monitor screenshots.

Show temps.

>>58978712
>are there any old think* products worth getting?
If you go pre-2008 you get some really cool, well built machines for not a lot of money. check out the dankpads link in the OP.

Do you happen to crossdress?

>>58978891
>Do you happen to crossdress?
not really, should I?

>>58978905
kill yourself faggot

I work in software development and web development and I'm looking for a cheap laptop to do that and only that, with long battery life

I was looking into a T420 or X220 with RAM upgraded to something between 8gb and 16gb

Any advice for sellers (where to buy the laptop and parts)? Is there a better model for what I'm looking for?

>>58979298
I'd always choose a *30 series over a *20 series. The graphics performance is just that much better and they even support the classic keyboard. But even the new keyboard wasn't completely fucked up because it still had the dedicated volume buttons on the *30 series.

Sellers.... depends where you live

>>58978905
In my opinion it is half the fun of Thinkpads.

>>58979354
Well like I said I'm only going to be doing software development and web development, graphics performance is not important really. RAM, CPU, and battery life are my priorities.

I live in Toronto, Canada

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sup anon
$300
x230/i5/4gb/500gb
consider that anything i get in ebay i need to pay 50% (shipping+product) in customs taxes
im buying local

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how can i fix this

>>58974844
>>58974989
Shapewise looks like X30/31/32. The pentiumIII sticker implies it should be the X30. What would anyone do with such antiquity? Install Windows 98 and what?
Looks beautiful though.

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>>58977176
>There is no way that the poster who constantly proclaims about how fast theirs is is telling the truth. My (admittedly base model CPU) G40 is slow as fuck with web browsing (firefox with uBlock) and is certainly more powerful than that little thing.
It's fast as fuck and gets 10+ hours of battery life with a new chink battery and my extensive optimizations. It will play OpenArena and Dwarf Fortress without a hiccup, runs a few Wine programs, and is overall comfy as fuck. No botnet management engine but it does have the trusted platform thing so I can store data extra-securely.

It is very nice. It is a patrician's IBM.

>>58979449
poor acetone on iet

>>58974844
X class, snatch it up and put Debian/xfce on there

>>58979473
That broken palmrest is apparently "fixed" already with some superglue, but you can always replace it. But that's the least of your worries. That keyboard has seen a LOT of use which means the battery and everything else may have quite some wear.

I think my AC adapter is nearing its end, any time I bump it I've got to precisely reposition the cord for it to charge. Is Ebay the place to go for cheap replacement parts?

>>58979840
Don't buy chink adapters. Buy a genuine one, or just let someone with soldering skills replace or shorten the broken cord for you, if that happens to be cheaper.

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Can someone help me? What does that mean? Is my HDD dead?

>>58965537
Install a Linux distro or win7 if you really need winblows. Use daz loader

>>58971033
Disable secure boot

>>58979298
>>58979423
pls respond

Is buying refurbished from Newegg legit?

>>58980471
If you want long battery life and don't care so much otherwise, you might want something newer. **40 models for best battery life for price, **50 onwards for the sake of it being a better machine with a proper trackpad.

>>58980573
Do you really need to be told? From what I've seen their prices are shit, and from shit I've heard on /g/, newegg isn't going to be as reliable as ebay and paypal.

>>58980573
i wouldny buy ANYTHING from Newegg, much less a refurbished laptop.

>>58980665
Thinkpad has sikk aesthetic + keyboard and are cheap, so something newer makes me piss the money

I already have an expensive and nice rig + laptop for personal use but I want something for work only

>>58980707
If that's the case it sounds like your choices are just whether you want a **20 or **30 and what screen size suits you.

Alright. I did the FHD mod on my T420s. Fucking awesome screen. Love it. Only two problems: Temps are insane and it destroyed battery life. Both of which I sort of knew would happen. I mean, now it has to drive almost twice as many pixels. But gotdamn the colors are amazing.

>>58981431
is it because of the screen or is it because of the additional processing power to push those pixels?

>>58980153
might be anything anon, what's smart say?

>>58980665
Newer machines don't get any more battery life anon, or it's completely marginal.

>>58964838
High quality virgin microfiber cloth that is lightly damp in a small section. Wipe in one direction and only scrub specific spots if necessary. Apply minimal pressure unless you have a touch screen.

>>58981686
They have the potential for an extra 3 internal cells, and low power processors are standard with them. Sure, they're overpriced and otherwise mediocre, but if they're only seeing light use where the U processors can actually idle, then battery life should be pretty reasonable.
Granted, battery life alone isn't enough to justify most people buying something like the **40 models.

>>58981672
I think it's both.

>>58979434
>>58979449
>$300 for that literal garbage
I really feel sorry for whatever market you're stuck in

>>58978522
flash middleton's ya dingus

>>58976492
I'm in Bulgaria, which is basically the same.

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>>58976807
That's fuckin' retarded talk you weak stupid baby.

>>58983112
I just spent 200 gbp for a new board so that it's got my Penree support <3

Also, flashing Mids can make a Penree POST, but it does not allow full Penryn support. It's gonna be held back by the chipset.

>>58984192
how much have you invested in said frankenpad? flexview t60s are impossible to find same with 4:3 t61s...

>>58984177
mate out of the box a t60 is a bucket of shit, needs a t61 mobo swap for proper penryn support and 8gb of ram to be useful in 2016
and don't try to tel me to swap a t7XX cpu into it because at the end of the day its still limited to 3gb of ram....

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How do you check thinkpad's battery cycles on linux?
Use this?

upower -i /org/freedesktop/UPower/devices/battery_BAT0

The seller is claiming the batteries are brand new 6-cell, and charging extra 30$ for it.

>>58984260
>how much have you invested in said frankenpad?
I am the George Soros of Thinkpads. I do not stop until I get what I want. I have one up on eBay if you're looking for good 4:3 IPS with Penryn, SSD, & lolmaxram

>>58984260
>>58984626
And I'm building this new one as an Archbox :^)

>>58984618
I think it's

tlp-stat --battery

or

cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/cycle_count

But I think this depends on the battery.
And you'd need to install tlp, and not all the distro have it.
upower is better since it display the capacity in wattage per hour.
>stallman will never pat your head

christ why are x220/230 9 cell batteries SO EXPENSIVE?

Is €61 a good price to pay for a T61 in excellent condition?

Any good games for Intel HD 3000? I miss the 4000 from my old computer.

>>58978522
solution: don't buy some old hunk of junk for autisic reasons
>>58984802
are you looking at official ones, or ching chong replacements?
>>58985046
anything less than $100 is good.
Not sure how that converts to commie dollars and how much thinkpads go for over there.

>>58985185

It's in a recycle center and it's running Mint. I'll install Ubuntu on it.

>>58985175
Anything pre 2010.

>>58985185
I'm looking at both genuine and chink ones, they're still extortionate.

>>58984802
>>58985644
Chink ones are pretty inexpensive desu
www.aliexpress.com/item/a/32483050947.html

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I got T60 for less than 50$.
The issue it doesn't have OS installed.
Where do I get WinXP for it?

>>58985899
the internet, usually

probably better off with lubuntu though unless you actually know what you're doing with xp

>>58985456
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T61-Frankenpad-Core-2-Duo-2-5-Ghz-/112278828693?hash=item1a2456f695:g:AUwAAOSwA3dYi5eI
Is this it?

>>58985979
>the internet, usually
That's obvious.
The question is where?
I found MicroXP by experince
https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4254053/MicroXP_v0.82_-_eXPerience

>>58985899
Google Windows XP ISO.

>>58985899
that screen looks crisp as fuck. What is this?

>>58986120
I guess it's the high resolution screen.

>>58977203
Use a HDD magnet. You probably have one lying around if you replaced the x61t's drive with an SSD.

Anyone in the thread have an X230t with the i7 3520m in it? If so, how's the performance? Thinking on getting one for college, and the school I'm going to demands something with digital inking and Windows.

>>58966583
We can live beside the ocean
Leave the fire behind
Swim out past the breakers
Watch the world die

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW6E_TNgCsY

>>58986224
If you're looking for a device to do art with, don't buy one of the old tablet Thinkpads. The resolution is pretty low and the digitizer is only good for writing with. The performance would be sufficient though.

>>58986324
It's not art, I'm going in for CS but the engineering school demands it (For note-taking? I dunno what I'd use it for)

>>58985821
what if i want high battery life and no explosive burns

>>58986337
That's OK then. If you're doing engineering they're probably gonna let you edit blueprints or something. If you don't mind the 1366x768 resolution you'll be fine. Don't expect to run VMs or complex CAD stuff on it. It's an office machine after all.

>>58986366
I'm dropping $1000 on a Ryzen CPU/Liquid Cooler/AM4 Mobo/16GB DDR4 when it comes out (I've got the other parts sitting around), and $200 for an X230t, and still saving money because the recommended tablets start out at $1500

>>58984626
I offered twice and it autodeclined both times. What's the minimum offer you're accepting?

>>58984626
Jesus fuck.

>>58986503
If the recommendations start at 1500 you should probably compare them to the X230t in detail. They could offer some features that the Thinkpad might not have. Like I said, the main downside is the low resolution and the aspect ratio. 16:9 with 768p is far from optimal for technical stuff. You should maybe look for something with a 3:2 aspect ratio.

>>58986117
PCriver?

>>58986570
Sure, why not. I can't download from there because the links won't work on any of my computers for some weird reason but if you have found an ISO there, go for it.

>>58986515
he really is G Soros when it comes to pricing

>>58986586
Should I? You don't seem convinced yourself.

I have an old XP CD lying around, but for some weird reason it won't install.
I think it's because the SATA driver aren't included.

>>58986360
You were complaining that even chink ones were expensive. If you're set on genuine ones then prices get gouged on any model.

>>58986672
Yep. It doesn't come with SATA drivers but you can set the HDD to legacy in your BIOS. That way you won't need SATA drivers. If you already have an installation medium, it's gonna work if you do this.

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>>58984409
No one needs more than 2GB on a laptop, consider 3GB a blessing you fucking child.


T60 BESTpad

>58986727
don't feed the troll. no (You) for you

>>58964753
Gonna hackintosh my t420, will every kingdian msata work with it or do I need a specific one?

>>58986719
There's no option for that in BIOS.
It's supposed to be in Drive configuration right?

>>58986719
>set the HDD to legacy in your BIOS
Won't this make I/O slower?

>>58986910
On my T400 it's

>Serial ATA (SATA)
>SATA Controller Mode Option

If it's set to AHCI set it to Compatibility

I'm using an x220 with a vmoda boom pro mic plugged into the combo jack and there seems to be a problem with the coexant sound card. There's either way too much static in the recording or it's way too quiet. Anyone know a fix for this or a good USB sound card?

>>58964753
Any wifi cards that work with hackintosh yet give you a noticeable upgrade for a t420?

>>58987030
It was SATA native mode, I had to set it to disable.
Will this make reading and writing to HDD slower?

>>58987203
There won't be any performance difference. It will lack hot plugging but I guess you're not gonna do that.

Of course you can install the proper SATA drivers once you got XP up and running and then switch back to AHCI.

>>58987270
>Hot plugging
No problem there, it's going to be used by my dad.
It's a machine for email and office 2003 only.

If I got coreboot running on a x220, would I be able to install grub directly to allow booting from shit like the SD card port or expresscard port?

>>58982394
even if they didnt tax me 50%
i need to pay 100$ for shipping

>>58987380
Might as well buy a plane ticket and pick it up yourself

>>58987590
a plane ticket to the us is around 1000$ my friend

>>58987600
Just go to the country closest to you that has cheap Thinkpads.

>>58987358
You can do that by default.

Outside the fact that has a retarded layout, how is the X240 keyboard in terms of typing? It feels worse? It feels better? flexes or stays firm?

>>58987744
the x220 doesn't allow booting from the native SD card slot or the expressport, if you got evidence showing otherwise, present it.

>>58985185
>solution: don't buy some old hunk of junk for autisic reasons
It is the only correct solution if you don't want to be played by the widescreen jew.

>>58986120
The 14" T60 displays are the most underrated today along with the A21 IPS.

>>58988105
>widescreen
widescreen isn't the real issue, the issue is glossy

the only people who hate widescreen are fucking video editing faggots because they can't see their gay tools and their video clip all on the screen edge to edge, don't fall for their faggot ass memes

>>58986324
>don't buy one of the old tablet Thinkpads
Finally some common sense

>>58986224
X230T with i7, SSD, 8+GB of RAM performs very well.

Can watch 1080p video, very basic gaming.

And the digitizer is good enough for art. Maybe not latest Wacom display tablet good, but decent enough : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHF0UXY_8s8

>>58986324
See video

>>58986366
VMs run fine on my X230T with i5 and 8gb RAM with SSD. Just one at a time of course.