/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

>>58913880
Reminder that debian is an SJW distro and that devuan will replace it and reign supreme.

I'm fairly new to using apt and I'm finding it awkward. Say I want to find a version of a package I have installed but I don't know the exact name of the package? How can I search for the package and see the package version at the same time? So far it seems I have to use two different commands for this.

>>58913936
I definitely recommend Devuan over Debian.

>>58913944
To be honest you hit a sweet spot. I hope you find your answer.

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I'm looking for a good DE, which is good on resources, since KDE is having problems with my iGPU (rendering artifacts) and in general also a resourcehog, I'm considering either Cinnamon, LXQt and Xfce.
Any others with a relatively large userbase to consider?

My T400's volume buttons won't work in a fresh Slackware Installer, I can't find any slackbuilds for it, though I think there is PulseAudio Control.

Is there a way that I can manually make it work? I don't know how PulseAudio works terminal-wise.

Any other tips?

>>58914309
Just assign them in your DE. Maybe check they are outputting the correct codes, or at least the ones you would expect.

WHEN THE FUCK IS MOZILLA GOING TO RELEASE THE LATEST VIMPERATOR? Fucking shit browser breaks stuff and then holds back the fixes.

>>58914329
I guess this way works, https://askubuntu.com/questions/97936/terminal-command-to-set-audio-volume

But I wonder if there's a way that shows me notification of what percent the volume is at?

>>58914437
I guess I can make a script that shows the notification, tho I donno, but I can look up how to make notifications through terminal in xfce.

>>58914437
>amixer -c 0 -q sset Master 2%-
This is what I use. For notifications it depends on a few things. What DE?
You could set up notification daemons but think might be unnecessary.

>>58914466
I'm using Xfce4

>>58914469
Pretty sure that has a volume notification but uses pulseaudio as far as I remember. Don't you have a volume icon? What happens if you change the volume with the slider?

>>58913991
Does Devuan have the same release model as Debian? What's their package management like?

>>58914480
Using the slider in PulseAudio's mixer works, but before setting the buttons to the amixer, they didn't do anything.

I need a lightweight distro for Steam and 2D gaming. I got this laptop for free, it's a piece of shit with AMD Sempron si-42 1-core (2.1 ghz, 64-bit) processor. 3 gb memory, pls help

>>58914498
You mean they didn't change the volume or didn't display a notification?
What code does the button output? This should be automatic. Use xev.

>>58914512
vga? if it's something from VIA you are fucked.
Also some 2d games are not lightweight as they look because hipsters likes making pixelated games with the last opengl/vulkan features.

>>58914437
>>58914309

Use volumeicon.

>>58914543
Neither. oh, I don't know how to debug this:

KeyPress event, serial 37, synthetic NO, window 0x4e00001,
    root 0x9a, subw 0x0, time 9796273, (-139,17), root:(412,339),
    state 0x10, keycode 121 (keysym 0x1008ff12, XF86AudioMute), same_screen YES,
    XLookupString gives 0 bytes: 
    XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: 
    XFilterEvent returns: False

KeyRelease event, serial 37, synthetic NO, window 0x4e00001,
    root 0x9a, subw 0x0, time 9796408, (-139,17), root:(412,339),
    state 0x10, keycode 121 (keysym 0x1008ff12, XF86AudioMute), same_screen YES,
    XLookupString gives 0 bytes: 
    XFilterEvent returns: False

KeyPress event, serial 37, synthetic NO, window 0x4e00001,
    root 0x9a, subw 0x0, time 9796613, (-139,17), root:(412,339),
    state 0x10, keycode 122 (keysym 0x1008ff11, XF86AudioLowerVolume), same_screen YES,
    XLookupString gives 0 bytes: 
    XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: 
    XFilterEvent returns: False

KeyRelease event, serial 37, synthetic NO, window 0x4e00001,
    root 0x9a, subw 0x0, time 9796724, (-139,17), root:(412,339),
    state 0x10, keycode 122 (keysym 0x1008ff11, XF86AudioLowerVolume), same_screen YES,
    XLookupString gives 0 bytes: 
    XFilterEvent returns: False

KeyPress event, serial 37, synthetic NO, window 0x4e00001,
    root 0x9a, subw 0x0, time 9796930, (-139,17), root:(412,339),
    state 0x10, keycode 123 (keysym 0x1008ff13, XF86AudioRaiseVolume), same_screen YES,
    XLookupString gives 0 bytes: 
    XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: 
    XFilterEvent returns: False

KeyRelease event, serial 37, synthetic NO, window 0x4e00001,
    root 0x9a, subw 0x0, time 9797009, (-139,17), root:(412,339),
    state 0x10, keycode 123 (keysym 0x1008ff13, XF86AudioRaiseVolume), same_screen YES,
    XLookupString gives 0 bytes: 
    XFilterEvent returns: False

>>58914341

VimFX.

>>58914581
Cool, I'll install it and see what it does.

>>58914595
>VimFX.
is shit.

>>58914581
>>58914543
Oh wait I'm stupid I didn't need that, I didn't add the PulseAudio Mixer in my bar. After I did that, the buttons work and the notification works too.

>>58914341
Ascend to dwb http://4archive.org/board/g/thread/41847768

>>58914666
It's pretty much abandoned and the libraries it is based on has serious security flaws.

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To that pole, I'm sorry but I was not able to install the thumbnail gtk2 view.
When I tried to build glib2, I got an unmet dependency for libelfg0-dev. After building it with aptitude I could not apply the patch.
I don't know how to get the dependemcy as strangely half of the internet was somehow not accessible anymore and the distro crashed aferwards. I'll try it again in a few hours

>>58914567
HP Presario CQ60-207EO

>>58914607
How? It's less intrusive than vimperator.

>>58914583
The keys are XF86Audo... etc. Map them to pulse audio commands.

>>58914484
Same release model, same package manager.

>>58914718
>How? It's less intrusive than vimperator
It is less everything than vimperator. Misses a lot of the features that makes vimperator great.

>>58914689
No is not "pretty much abandoned", last update was just a month ago and extensions are developed. Quit the meme.

>>58914666
>dwb is based on a WebKit port that is today considered insecure and outdated.
Fuck that

>>58914484
It's debian without systemd and under better management. I say within a year it will overtake debian because you can switch to it with a few simple config edits if you already have debian installed.

>>58914758
It has one guy who is providing maintenance updates to ensure it still builds. Meanwhile the only person who is familiar with the full code base has jumped ship and it is build on insecure libraries.
Does it still crash with html5 videos?

>>58914763
>dwb is based on a WebKit port that is today considered insecure and outdated.
Is talking about Apple you genius https://blogs.gnome.org/mcatanzaro/2016/02/01/on-webkit-security-updates/

>>58914789
To be honest, you need to build from source. The one in repos don't work.

>>58914826
Why would it make a difference building it myself? What do you mean they don't work?

>>58914869
Apparently distro maintainers are not updating webkit regularly and don't build dwb as it should, they are the same origin of the security meme.

>>58914892
Sounds like a lot of work just to use a browser that crashes when I watch a video.

>>58914913
If you don't like wim like keybindings there is always Internet Explorer.

>>58913936
>>58913991
Arch user here. I never used Debian but Devuan intrigues me. What practical differences can I expect? Save the Libre mantra.

>>58914954
no systemd

>>58914954
Think of it like an Arch but with an easier install. The package manager comes with far more documentation than Arch though.

don't know if this goes here or in the stupid questions thread, figured I'd try here first

having trouble playing mp3s on rhythmbox on archlinux

when I try to play one it takes a few seconds then starts playing it, but the program doesn't seem to know it's playing because it doesn't show a song playing and also rhythmbox freezes up

when I run from terminal it says

Gtk-WARNING **: Failed to register client: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod:Method "RegisterClient" with signature "ss" on interface "org.xfce.Session.Manager" doesn't exist

Rhythmbox-WARNING **: Unable to grab media player keys: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.SettingsDeamon was not provided by any .service files

libnotify-WARNING **: Failed to connect to proxy

I'm running XFCE so I don't know why it's bringing up gnome in the second error message

I'd really appreciate any help you guys can give me, and let me know if I haven't given enough information or something

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For the smart people not falling for memes, here is how you install dwb from source:

sudo apt-get install libsoup2.4-dev libwebkitgtk-dev libjson0-dev libgnutls-dev
git clone https://[email protected]/portix/dwb.git
cd dwb
sudo make install

Your libraries may be different though.

>>58915040
You don't have dbus running by the looks of it. It seems to need it.
There is more to gnome than a DE.

>>58915061
Which leaves you with a browser which crashes when it encounters html5 content build on an insecure library.

>>58915097
Did you genuinely test it or you are talking off your ass?

>>58915108
Yes, I used it for a few years until it was abandoned.

>>58914707
don't see any reason why most distros won't just werk ootb on that
with a dual core cpu and 3G ram, it'll run anything comfortably

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>>58915118
Works for me. Stop memeing.

>>58915140
Sure thing hun.

>>58915063
ooh, I started rhythmbox this time with

dbus-run-session rhythmbox

and now it's not freezing up and lets me actually change songs, thanks a lot man

the second error above still showed up in the terminal but you've definitely pointed me in the right direction, thanks a lot anon

>>58914695
>libelfg0-dev
Did you install build-essentials, devscripts, quilt?

Did you do apt-get build-dep glib2.0?

Shit man I made the guide for someone who's doing it the first time.

>>58915194
The second one seems to refer to a dependency you are missing. Maybe try 'ldd /usr/bin/rhythmbox' and see if anything is missing. Looks like gnome-settings-daemon or something like that.

>>58915205
>Did you install build-essentials, devscripts, quilt?
Yes
>Did you do apt-get build-dep glib2.
Yes

>>58915250
Okay, so you got the dependency.

Why you can't apply the patch again?
Show me the output

Is it possible to get a Wayland session in Fedors 25 with Nvidia proprietary drivers? Has anyone here tried that?

Alternatively, how is the game performance of Nouveau drivers nowdays? I'd prefer to use it if Dota performance was OK.

>>58915591
>Is it possible to get a Wayland session in Fedors 25 with Nvidia proprietary drivers? Has anyone here tried that?
it should be possible:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wayland_features#Nvidia_driver_support

>Alternatively, how is the game performance of Nouveau drivers nowdays? I'd prefer to use it if Dota performance was OK.
depends, nvidia is a bitch and don't want to provide documentation so nouveau is mostly done by reverse engineering.
They have yet to figure out reclocking for several gpus. If you have a gpus that can't be reclocked then it will remain in it's lower power state which means shitty performances.
https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/PowerManagement/

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When will firefox be ported to wayland? It's the only thing holding me back

>>58915957
it doesn't work with xwayland?

>>58916070
I don't want xwayland

A supply of tea with milk and sugar would be nice. If it is tea I really like, I like it without milk and sugar. With milk and sugar, any kind of tea is fine. I always bring tea bags with me, so if we use my tea bags, I will certainly like that tea without milk or sugar.

>>58916098
why? it would be just until firefox get ported, so in the meanwhile you can use wayland.

>>58916130
I actually can't remember why but I think it was weird in gentoo last time I tried, either some dependencies I didn't want got pulled in or it wanted me to unmask a whole bunch of shit or something.

Maybe I'll look into it again.

>>58914066
if you want a "full" DE that looks shiny, Cinnamon
if you want a lightweight DE, LXQt probably
but don't take my word for it, the last DE I used regularly was KDE 3

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>>58915061
or you could just do this...

What's a good program to monitor my hardware usage while I use the PC? Task manager is pretty terrible. Hopefully it'd include network usage and statistics.

>>58915760
Thanks. I had already seen that link, but trying to log in into the Wayland session just doesn't work (I try to log in and get back to GDM). If I don't set it back to Xorg in GDM, I cannot boot into a graphical interface on the next reboot, and I have to reinstall the nvidia drivers to get X to work again.

I wanted to try Wayland and chose Fedora because of that.

About nouveau, it seems reclock is still WIP for my GPU. Sad.

>>58916456
are you using gnome?

>>58916444
Disk usage? Baobab.
General system monitor? gnome-system-monitor, GKrellM, or Conky.

>>58916571
Would be great if 1 program could monitor it all. All kinds of process+hw+nw data realtime.

Thanks, I check those out

>>58916587
Maybe conky, is very extensible.

>>58915312
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
builddeps:glib2.0 : Depends: libelfg0-dev (>= 0.8.12) but it is not installable
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

>>58916523
Yes.

Gentoo users and others who compile their own kernel, how do you create your config? Theres so many options and if you don't know a lot of them its likely not going to boot, so how do you make yours work exactly?

>>58916691
There probably will be some guide for it somehwhere with the Gentoo people.

>>58916675
>you have held broken packages.
That doesn't sound like a good thing

>>58916444
Hardinfo http://linoxide.com/ubuntu-how-to/install-hardinfo-tool/

>>58916675
You're right kek.
It doesn't exist in Ubuntu versions beyond 14.04.

http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libelfg0-dev

Either write a post on the support forum on what's going on or file a bug report to the maintainers

>>58915243
thanks for continuing to help, now I got gnome-settings-daemon but the same error is still coming up. Is there something I have to do to run gnome-settings-daemon or something?

>>58916919
I wouldn't expect you would need to do anything. Which distro are you running and what is the output of the ldd command?

>>58916808
I installed the missing packages, it was a little tedious, as you had to get the dependencies in the right version too.

but now I get an error when I try to build it

m4macros/glib-gettext.m4:39: error: m4_copy: won't overwrite defined macro: glib_DEFUN
m4macros/glib-gettext.m4:39: the top level
autom4te: /usr/bin/m4 failed with exit status: 1
aclocal: error: echo failed with exit status: 1
autoreconf: aclocal failed with exit status: 1
dh_autoreconf: autoreconf -f -i returned exit code 1
/usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/autoreconf.mk:10: recipe for target 'debian/autoreconf.after' failed
make: *** [debian/autoreconf.after] Error 2
dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2
debuild: fatal error at line 1376:
dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -D -us -uc failed

>>58916919
It seems to be a common problem with no obvious solutions. One solution I've just seen was installing the plugins so maybe make sure you have any additional packages which might be related to rhythmbox. Sounds like a bug might be worth posting with upstream though.

>>58916940
Arch Linux, there is a lot of output, is there something in particular I should be looking for? don't want to just dump it all here and make you look through it

>>58917020
Yeah I just spent a while fruitlessly looking for possible answers so maybe you're right and I should just install plugins until it works/post it as a bug

>>58917029
Pastebin it. If something is wrong you would see something like

libsomelib --> (nothing listed here)

Each entry should be linked to something. If one isn't then you are missing something.

>>58917057
http://pastebin.com/2Lb1F0ZY
I see the opposite of that, as in there's something that's not being pointed to by anything

>>58917116
I don't think that's a problem, all looks ok.

>>58917153
ok well I'll just keep trying to find something, thanks for working with me, now I know the type of things to look for

>>58917060
>use 'quilt refresh' to update it

Is Wayland the future? I was expecting widespread adoption after fedora got it, but it's not even default in Ubuntu yet. If Ubuntu defaults to it, will it proliferate like systemd?

>>58918125
as far as I know, gnome is the only de that works with wayland, that's what's holding up adoption

>>58918125
>Is Wayland the future?
yes
>I was expecting widespread adoption after fedora got it, but it's not even default in Ubuntu yet. If Ubuntu defaults to it, will it proliferate like systemd?
canocical doesn't like wayland and are developing their own display server for ubuntu. It's called "mir".

>>58918176
Why doesn't Canonical like Wayland?

>>58918154
yeah, gnome and enlightenment. Plus some very crude tiling WM.

>>58918206
Because they didn't invent it.

>>58918176
The wiki makes it sound like they will eventually switch to Wayland. (And didn't mir get abandoned?). https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Wayland

>>58917397
I tried everything already, didn't work.
I just gave up on it. maybe I'll try it tomorrow again

>>58918206
I don't remember, I think it's explained in some article cited here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_(software)#Controversy

>>58918250
> *** Please note that we are no longer considering Wayland, but instead we will be moving to Mir. ***

>0 results for 'linux' on both /v/ and /vg/ catalogs
Is there a place to discuss GNU/Linux vidya?

I often report anyone posting about Windows or games on /g/ so I definitely don't want to commit a similar offense myself.

>>58918341
There's always a thread on /t/ (or in the archieve)

Installed Manjaro on my Probook 4530s, but wifi doesn't work. It's got a Realtek RTL8188CE card and a pcie whitelist. Wifi connections will show up, I can connect, and it'll work for about 30 seconds, but then it'll just cut out. I did some googling but everything I found just said it isn't going to work.

>>58918352
Well the trouble is that I'd like to just discuss the games, not download torrents. Do they do any discussion on /t/? I wanna talk about what's good, what runs well, etc. Also maybe ease myself into the wine meme. I've avoided wine like the plague for most of my life, but if I can find a wine expert it might be worth trying it again.

>>58918341
>Is there a place to discuss GNU/Linux vidya?
the same place you discuss windows videogames, just don't mention linux (after all, any linux game is also available on windows).

>>58918374
>I wanna talk about what's good, what runs well, etc.
There's nothing to discuss about since everyone has different experience always.

>Also maybe ease myself into the wine meme. I've avoided wine like the plague for most of my life, but if I can find a wine expert it might be worth trying it again.
PlayOnLinux

>>58918294
Why don't they just use Wayland? Is this an effort to hurry development of Wayland and then eventually use it, or are they actually going to stick with mir long term? Isn't that going to cause fucktons of problems with DEs and fragmentation?
>>58918341
IMO just ask about and discuss Linux gaming specifically here, but discuss the games themselves on /v/

>>58918341
Why do you even need a special place just because you use a different OS than most other users?

>>58918504
Huh? I already said why. For discussing how games run and experiences with wine and such.

>>58918374
Wine is decent with some games and dx11 support will be there soon™. If your cpu supports it, GPU passthrough is incredible for gaming.

>>58918125
>Is Wayland the future?
No
>>58918125
>? I was expecting widespread adoption after fedora got it, but it's not even default in Ubuntu yet.
Not even Ubuntu believes in Wayland, check Mir.

>>58918521
Which wouldn't be talking about the games, but a general helpdesk thread.

>>58918568
No... I said originally it would also be to talk about the games. The "helpdesk" bits was in response to you asking why I needed a separate place to discuss the games.

>>58918535
>If your cpu supports it, GPU passthrough is incredible for gaming.
My CPU doesn't support it, but I'll also never do it. It's not worth running Windows for any reason. Not even in a VM.

>>58918583
Sometimes we have a thread on /vg/ or here about GNU/Linux gaming, this is the pasta if you ever feel like http://pastebin.com/BkEwKnmY

>>58918489
>Why don't they just use Wayland?
dunno, see >>58918281

>Is this an effort to hurry development of Wayland and then eventually use it, or are they actually going to stick with mir long term?
nonsense, If they wanted to hurry the development of wayland they would be working with them.

>Isn't that going to cause fucktons of problems with DEs and fragmentation?
and drivers, yes, that's why all the controversy. While nvidia said they may support mir, intel it's definitely against it. Also I wouldn't expect any de to support mir except Unity.

>>58918583
Which is totally pointless. If you want to talk about the games, the OS doesn't matter. If you want to talk about specific hurdles getting games to run on Linux, you are pretty much out of luck since the number of people who actually play games on Linux and want to talk about it on 4chan are limited, and then there's still the problem that they might just be into totally different games than you. It's just not enough to sustain a thred on places like /vg/, and it's way too helpdesk for /g/

>>58918489
Wayland isn't really ready to use yet

>2017
>still no proper Optimus support
>still using deprecated software such as Bumblebee

What's the excuse? Literally every laptop with discrete graphics makes use of it, so it's not some obscure shit.

>>58918742
RedHaat really don't care, they'll shove it down users throats just like pulsecrap.

>>58918633
/vg/ is too fast

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>>58919052
>every laptop with discrete graphics
aka every consumer-tier garbage

Laptops are supposed to be portable devices.
iGPUs exist for a reason.
If you need something more powerful get a laptop with intel chip that has irispro.

What is the best program for ripping CDs for GNU+Linux?

>>58919418

What a terrible excuse. So you rather be locked in to one vendor and be a Intel slave?

And don't think I'm a Nvidiafag, I'd buy a laptop with discrete AMD gpu if there was one worth buying.

>>58919467
isn't brasero the standard?

>>58919550
AFAIK, Brasero is for burning, not ripping.

>>58919467
dd
mount image

>>58919618
What about Audio CDs?

>>58919691
dd
mount image

>>58913880
I really like the additional use of the touchpad with my laptop. Great for editing in Libre

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>minimal install
>1114 packages

>>58914066
Cinnamon.
Simple and consistent design.
Responsive.
Looks good and has a huge variety of themes.
Light on resources.
Is one of the least bugged DEs out there.

>>58919841
is there any way to disable the "any time you type a box pops up in the bottom corner of the screen for no reason" feature

>>58919884
Don't know, never happened to me. Never had a single bug with Cinnamon tbqhwy. I always end up finding bugs on other DEs. Bugs that either annoys the shit out of me or just simply makes it the whole DE unusable.

>>58919965
go to your desktop and just press any key, a little search box type thing should open

>>58919840
Minimalism and package count are not related.

>>58920087
isn't the point of a minimal install to come with as few things preinstalled as possible?

>>58919418
discrete graphics exist for a reason, allowing notebooks computers to have a decent GPU but enabling it only when needed to limit power consumption.
There are tons of business laptop with discrete nvidia GPUs.

>>58919052
apparently, it's very hard to implement rendering offloading in the driver:
https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/957981/linux/prime-render-offloading-on-nvidia-optimus/1

what will rsync do when the destination hdd runs out of free space?

>>58920107
Perhaps, but again, minimalism and package count are not the same thing.

>>58920320
Give you an error and stop.

>>58920378
then would you care to explain what minimalism is, exactly?

What are the most common commands in Slackware? Google is not helping.

>>58920399
Depends on your interpretation. Some would say LFS is minimal, some would say an install with just a DE is minimal. Some might be looking for minimal resources used by default or less disk space used.

>>58920413
If you need to google and ask that here then slackware probably isn't for you.

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>>58920413

>>58920464
Thanks.

>>58920397
domo

>>58920133

I just don't get how the hell it's still not properly available on Linux after all the time its being available.

>>58920473
no problem

When will Wayland be useable, it's now a mess

>>58920620
when will linux be usable, it's now a mess

>>58920620
it's not wayland itself to be mess, it's DEs support for it.

>>58920620
When programs go out of their way to support it

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Slackware xwmconfig is really comfy. Changing DEs is really easy.

>>58920702
Shame it's in slackware.

>>58920702
Is slackware good? I'm interested in trying it but I'm a Debian skiddy.

>>58920733
Only if you like dependency hell.

Wayland is a trap. Remember that anons.

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Hey /g/, what's the best lightweight and user-friendly distro for daily use?

I have a PC with an SSD and a HDD
If I install Linux and windows on the SSD
Can I use files on the HDD (stuff like music) on both operating systems as is or do I have to do something?

>>58920772
GNU/Linux*

>>58920772
The data drive will have to be in ntfs and you will need ntfs-3g set on your linux machine

>>58920733
reposting from a few threads ago
Slackware is literally the best distro if you are not an idiot and know what you're doing or want to learn what you're doing. The really simple reason is that it is really, really simple. The packages are built directly from upstream sources with no distro-specific modifications. The package manager is just a dialog-driven shell script (which really just provides "convenient shortcuts" to fetching and unpacking them manually) instead of a complex package management system that you can only use in a certain way. The "package database" is a directory of plain-text files, official packages are distributed as binaries and "unofficial" packages can be easily built using a powerful, customizable, automated build manager (also a dialog-driven shell script) or you can download binaries from one of several community repos. The init system combines the best features of BSD and SysV, and is also really fucking simple if you need to make any changes or add your own things to run at startup/shutdown, write your own scripts to start/stop/restart system services, etc. It works OOTB in 98% of cases even on ancient systems, needs very little post-installation setup or maintenance, and when you do need to maintain it, it doesn't get in your way. Even it's "tools" are just convenient shortcuts.
All the shitposting and memeing about Slackware not having a package manager, or being old, or being complicated, or using abandonware (if you really hate LILO so much, official GRUB packages come with the full distribution), it's all lies by autists who can't stand the fact that there is an "advanced" Linux distro that is actually made for sane people. If it doesn't feel intuitive as soon as you start using it, it will be within months.

>>58920795
GNU/Linux*

>>58920772
>Can I use files on the HDD (stuff like music) on both operating systems as is or do I have to do something?
yeah, but you are forced to use an NTFS partition (default for window) for the HDD, which is somewhat shit.

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>>58920799
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>58920785
>>58920800
No, Richard, it's 'Linux', not 'GNU/Linux'. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation.

Following are some reasons for you to mull over, including some already answered in your FAQ.

One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS -- more on this later). He named it 'Linux' with a little help from his friends. Why doesn't he call it GNU/Linux? Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you. You named your stuff, I named my stuff -- including the software I wrote using GCC -- and Linus named his stuff. The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so. Linus has spoken. Accept his authority. To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don't want to be known as a nag, do you?

(An operating system) != (a distribution). Linux is an operating system. By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer. That definition applies whereever you see Linux in use. However, Linux is usually distributed with a collection of utilities and applications to make it easily configurable as a desktop system, a server, a development box, or a graphics workstation, or whatever the user needs. In such a configuration, we have a Linux (based) distribution. Therein lies your strongest argument for the unwieldy title 'GNU/Linux' (when said bundled software is largely from the FSF). Go bug the distribution makers on that one. Take your beef to Red Hat, Mandrake, and Slackware. At least there you have an argument. Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications without any GNU software whatsoever. Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example.

>>58920764
Ubuntu or one of it's derivatives, Fedora

>>58920785
>>58920800
>>58920818
Next, even if we limit the GNU/Linux title to the GNU-based Linux distributions, we run into another obvious problem. XFree86 may well be more important to a particular Linux installation than the sum of all the GNU contributions. More properly, shouldn't the distribution be called XFree86/Linux? Or, at a minimum, XFree86/GNU/Linux? Of course, it would be rather arbitrary to draw the line there when many other fine contributions go unlisted. Yes, I know you've heard this one before. Get used to it. You'll keep hearing it until you can cleanly counter it.

You seem to like the lines-of-code metric. There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution. You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important). However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance. I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn't more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn't perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument.

Last, I'd like to point out that we Linux and GNU users shouldn't be fighting among ourselves over naming other people's software. But what the heck, I'm in a bad mood now. I think I'm feeling sufficiently obnoxious to make the point that GCC is so very famous and, yes, so very useful only because Linux was developed. In a show of proper respect and gratitude, shouldn't you and everyone refer to GCC as 'the Linux compiler'? Or at least, 'Linux GCC'? Seriously, where would your masterpiece be without Linux? Languishing with the HURD?

>>58920824
Debian*

gonna kill myself lads

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>>58920818
>>58920830
y so mad tho senpai. Linux will always be Linux. GNU will always be GNU. GNU/Linux is the combination of both.

I'm getting screen tearing when scrolling in chromium, anyone know why? I don't have the same problem in firefox.

>>58920818
>>58920830
>not even bothered to post the complete pasta
>>>/r/eddit

>>58920875
>chromium
remove the botnet

>>58920875
do you have a compositor?
screen tearing seems to just happen sometimes for no apparent reason desu

>>58920761
wut?

>>58920899
Yes, running plasma 5. Don't get it in videos or anywhere else but chromium seems to not like smooth scrolling enabled.

>>58920805
>>58920795

Since this seems shitty maybe I should just split the HDD?

>>58920835
Switching to debian after using Ubuntu for a while, I'd still recommend starting with something more "pre built "

fedora vs centos
what is the difference?

>>58920981
>Since this seems shitty maybe I should just split the HDD?
NTFS is the same filesystem you are using right now on windows. There are better filesystems but it will works, no reason to worry.

>>58920945
>using a browser that downloads binary blobs that listen to your microphone
I'd remove chromium in the first place, then fix other stuff like screen tearing.

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I want to make youtube videos on linux, has someone experience with this in particular and can recommend what programs to use and what to look out for etc.

>>58921023
but, it was just a bug! and anyway it get loaded only for a second at startup!

>>58919840
>>58920107
some distros try to avoid splitting packages into little tiny optional subpackages, or creating super-meta-packages whose only purpose is to group together dependency chains.

btw the whole "minimalism == an OS with nothing on it && this is a good thing" meme is stupid and it misses the point of what it means for an OS to be useful. having 1000 packages of libraries used by common or uncommon programs, software you use every so often, services you might not run now but have in the past/might in the future, things you tried out and decided to keep around, etc. does not inherently create a system less "minimal" than having 100 packages that run bloated required services that can't be removed or turned off.

>>58921080
what kind of video?

>>58921080
GNU/Linux*

ffmpeg

>>58921080
simplescreenrecorder is a good screen recorder

>>58921107
Mainly screencast with post production editing, voice over for higher quality. I will show some
programming projects. So execute programs,
show some coding in the process, add some pictures to explain stuff and jokes

>>58921149
I already do this with ffmpeg, that is no problem. I mean cutting the video, adding a soundtrack and all this postproduction stuff.

>>58921156
openshot

>>58921156
sounds fun. you should post your videos here when they are uploaded
good luck

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Firefox isn't changing fonts no matter what I change them to. Does anyone know what could be the problem?

Anyone in here actually running Gentoo with an efi stub? Getting it to run under ordinary BIOS & Grub is no big deal- just follow sme youtube tutorial.

But there ain't one for efi stubs. I've tried just going off what little I know about Linux, like three times and fucked something up all three times.

>>58920413
What does "most common commands in Slackware" mean? My most commonly used commands are the same as they would be on any other system with the same software.
>>58920464
slackpkg is meant to be only used for the main distribution packages, not third-party things.
and /etc/slackpkg/mirrors can only have one line uncommented, usually (ht|f)tp://mirrors.slackware.com/slackware/slackware64-(current|14.2)

you can search by filename using slackpkg file-search [file]

you can search for a file in your installed packages with
grep [pattern] /var/log/packages/*

for third-party, use:
http://slakfinder.org/slackpkg+.html
select your third-party repos in /etc/slackpkg/slackpkgplus.conf
slackpkg syntax remains the same, except use repo:package to override the priority repo if two or more have the same package.
if you want 32-bit compatibility packages on a 64-bit system, or you want KDE 5, MATE, or Cinnamon, this is the most headache-free way to accomplish this. simply enable the appropriate repo and do a full install from that repo

for building your own third-party packages, use:
http://sbopkg.org/

to rerun basic configuration scripts and do a few other useful things:
pkgtool

all of these tools come with very complete and thorough documentation. read it, then ask if you have a specific question you couldn't figure out yourself.

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>>58921219
thanks anon, though I will attach my real name to it so not sure about posting it here at first

>>58921280
nobody (except the NSA) cares about random individuals

>>58921280
whatever you choose to do, have fun!

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What's the point of Fedora?

>>58921332
developer support at the price of being a labrat for a company whose main customer is the government

>>58921332
You wear it and go 'tippy tippy'. Problem?

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>>58920745
>dependency hell
>Debian
nice meme

>>58920733
Slackware is great if you know absolute basic things about Unix/Linux (partitioning, using command lines, editing config files), are not afraid of learning, and have someone to hold your hand if you go into full-panic mode (rarely ever happens).
It has one of the most simple and comfy installation and configuration utilities. OOTB full install has everything a typical user needs, might not be your favorite image viewer or web browser or media player or word processor, but it usually comes with at least 2 or 3 options for each (2 DEs, 4 WMs, lots of multimedia stuff, all major commonly used programming languages and development software, lots and lots of libraries). Package management is a breeze and the community repos have a very wide range of software kept fairly up to date, and if you want an even newer version or a different configuration, it has an incredibly comfy package builder to keep track of and automate your builds, custom options, etc.

It's not going to do everything for you, but if you understand the basic principles and know what you want to do, it will make the process very very simple. most importantly, it won't try to do things for you on its own, or argue with you if you tell it to do something.

>>58920799
>mfw i wrote that

>>58921332
not sure
shilling red hat products?

Whats goin on with all that Slackware shilling latly? Is this the new meme? Slackware *was* a good distro back in the 90s, but today nobody is using it anymore, right?

>>58913880
On top of that Facebook was promoting fake news for profit and got Trump elected.

>>58921408
just Snowflakes

>>58921408
Distros shilled on /g/ nobody uses:
Devuan, Fedora, Solus, Slackware

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>>58921408
literally people asked questions about slackware and got responses
not everything is "shilling" you fucking high schooler

>>58921250
When I used a efi stub, I had to hard code the kernel command line during configuration. Otherwise I couldn't get it to find my root filesystem.

>>58921444
>have question about void
>google logo
>post logo, ask question
>shilling
nice logic

>>58921436
Distros shilled on /g/ nobody uses:
Debian (actually people use Ubuntu, Mint)
Arch (actually people use Manjaro, Antergos, etc)

>>58921436
plenty of people use fedora though?

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Just discovered that WINE 2.0 is out.

As I'm too lazy to install a Linux flavour to test how it works, is there any Anons that can give feedback as to how it's working?

>>58921462
>being this retarded
i don't want to believe

>>58921408
It's not shilling if it's a genuinely good product and you present accurate and relevant information about the benefits of using it to people who actually would benefit from it, is it?
It was a good distro back in the '90s, even the /only/ good distro for a long time, and it's only gotten better while a lot of new distros have gotten worse, imho.

>>58921492
I would also like to know whether it makes sense to upgrade from wine staging 1.9.x

>>58921492
it translates nt syscalls to stuff that linux understands

>>58921492
wine devs get out ree
https://warosu.org/g/image/ACHwt0zd4HqD_cqMe5ipvw

>>58921510
what about slackware derivatives like absolute/salix?

>>58921451
awww fack.

For what it's worth I also tried booting Calculate Linux in UEFI mode and then installing and let's just say the installer broke. I think Linux don't efi yet very well. Or at least not Gentoo based.

>>58921519
kek
>>58921486
found the mint luser

>>58921332

out of the box experience with updated kernels, as opposed to Debian derivatives, that spend years on the same kernel.

>>58921532
>jessie still uses 3.16
i just don't understand

>>58921532
go to bed lennard

>>58921545
>>i just don't understand
Because you're stupid. Debian stable uses rock solid stable software. If you want the latest kernel, use Debian unstable.

>>58921553
i feel it isn't controversial to say there are newer kernels that are stable
debian devs are just lazy and would rather jerk themselves off and talk about social issues

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What the fuck is wrong with /fglt/ webpage?

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>>58920856
Better be this way.

>>58921619
>tmp_

>>58921520
I tried Salix once on an old netbook I acquired. Wasn't too impressed. GUI frontend for slapt-get made me feel icky. (No, I'm not an autist, just kinda used to slackpkg after using it for 9 years and using pkgtool for 6 years before that). Didn't really see any benefite from the distro-specific projects and addons. On the other hand, if you're relatively new and coming from a less minimalist system, you might find it easier to adjust to.

Never heard of Absolute but it looks like Slackware with a lot of stuff removed and some added and a few things configured differently by default. If it looks good to you, try it. My guess is you get all the stability and ease of maintenance benefits of Slackware with a little less work required set it up? Not that Slackware takes a lot of work to set up, but if you wanted to make modifications to things like the display manager or customize your DE you'd have to know what you were doing.

You can also try Zenwalk, it's whole premise is one package per function, so it's "light" or "minimal" or however you want to call it. Uses Xfce.

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>>58921080
Open Broadcaster Studio/Open Broadcaster Software https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzHfyFSZ-uw

>>58921583

>>58921553

Newer kernels are stable.
I can understand the conservative philosophy of getting to know a kernel version completely so you can rely on it l, but this isn't 2.6 anymore. Linux has been working fine for quite a while. There have been fuck ups, but I find Debian as full of bugs as any other distro.

Most of the problems I've been finding in Linux based systems are related to obscure package usage, package misconfiguration, or just packages fucking each other up. Almost never is kernel's fault.

why come nobody uses mageia?

>>58921681
Also look for Natro if you do compositing, Cinelerra-cv if pro video editing.

>>58921724
*Natron

>>58921703
Newer kernels, occasionally, drop support for systems that are determined too old or for other reasons. In which case, you are encouraged to use a maintained kernel that supports your system.

>kernel in debian stable is too old for my tastes
>fedora doesn't have minimal install

so, debian testing?

>>58921748
unstable

>>58921613
They have a visual novels section? Cool.

>>58921679
yeah, i'm just looking to get my toes wet with slackware, and since i'm a baby i need an installer. giving absolute a go at the moment

>>58921707
who?

>>58921613
Its ok, just do

date --set 2016-06-06

now the certificate wont expire for a few months

>>58921804
careful, anon, a babby can drown in 2 inches of water.

>>58921806
Same mainter as manjaro

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>>58921805

>>58921785
Yeah, it even shows to how to fix video playback on some of them.

>>58921742

And that's a good reason for a project like Debian to exist. For example, this summer I tried to install Debian in an old PowerBook G4 with PPC processor. [spoiler]it didn't work, but I'm 80% sure it was my fault[/spoiler]

Still, Such obsolescence wouldn't happen overnight, all of a sudden. This computer was almost 16 years old. I would bet that most of us use a computer that is less than 5 years old, mostly x86.

In that case, that I feel as the majority, there is no point using Debian or Debian-based distros.

>>58921804
> i need an installer
Slackware has an installer. Like all other Slackware utilities, it is a shell script that uses curses dialogs and menu options.
The Absolute installer is literally just the Slackware installer with an option to do everything (including partition your entire disk into 1 root partition and 1 swap partition) automatically.

But you should be fine, I'd think. LXDE is good and I'm guessing it uses runlevel 4 by default so you don't have to change one character in your /etc/inittab in order to boot straight into X instead of using a tty login.

>>58921861
install gentoo

>>58921861
My main is a q8200 from 2010 and i've been playing with a WonderMedia arm SoC.

With the WM SoC, i've read that i cant use >4.5 since the uzImage was updated for newer uboot devices while the older method was dropped.
Crosscompiled versions of debian9 work on the WM SoC, but the kernel is still <4.5

How2show anime characters on filenames and dirnames? It's all squares and gibrish. I'm on slackware xfce

>>58922031
install fonts

>>58922060
I installed these, but nothing
https://slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/office/adobe-reader-fontpacks/

sorry for my retardedness. I'm coming from Debian based

>>58922031
your locale has to be a utf8 variation of whatever your main language is.

When it comes to the Ubuntu flavors in accordance with video games, does any of them do better than the other?
Will Kubuntu have anything over Xubuntu?

>>58922167
nope, they will be the same

Are there any real stats on distro share? Distro watch only has page hit rankings which seems innacurate.

>>58922132
So change

/etc/profiles.d/lang.sh

's

export LANG=en_US

to something like

export LANG=en_US.UTF-8

? Not sure if that's legal.

>>58922192
Nice, thanks.

>>58922213
Hmm, do I need to restart now? Do you think there's anything else to do?

I've got Arch running on my Thinkpad x200, and I wanna install Debian. I tried making a bootable USB drive to install from, but I guess I did something wrong.

I downloaded an iso, put it on the usb drive and tried booting from it. The BIOS does find the device, but when I choose it at startup nothing happens. Just a blank screen with a blinking cursor.

Where do I start troubleshooting?

>>58922249
Nevermind, Guess I have to change lilo too http://docs.slackware.com/slackware:localization

>>58922262
did you just put the iso in the flash drive or did you actually make it bootable (with dd or something)?

>>58922031
>>58922093
you need to find a font that has unicode support, install it (manually), and then configure your terminal to use it.
To install a font, download it, then move it to one of your font directories (such as /usr/share/fonts/TTF).
To set up your terminal, consult the docs for your terminal. IDK how the Xfce terminal works but for uxterm you can just do this

>>58922280
Yeah, by dd, I followed the guides and the wiki.

At first I used the Debian guide, which used a different command that I forget. But when that didn't work I went by the Arch-wiki and used dd instead.

Might it be a problem that I didn't properly set up for second try?

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>>58922281
whoops

>>58922326
it could be
it feels like everything surrounding debian is a shitshow. if it doesn't work on your next try i'd probably just use rufus and write it as dd

>>58922278
you don't need to change lilo, only if you want to be able to use UTF in the virtual console (i.e. *not* X)
you don't need to change your LANG or locale settings unless you want your software to be in japanese
all you need to do is make sure you have a font installed with japanese unicode characters, use a terminal that supports unicode (I would imagine the Xfce one does? I use UXterm), and tell it to use the font with japanese characters for double-width characters

>>58922281
Didn't really need to do that, altering

/etc/lilo.conf

's

append=" vt.default_utf8=0"

to

append=" vt.default_utf8=1"

and rebooting worked. Now for some reason I can't Ctrl Shift C to copy from console for some reason.

Eh, I'll do that later

>>58922392
interesting
can you at least copy using the middle-mouse button?

>>58922415
I can copy from the terminal, but I couldn't copy from vim actually when highlighting with the cursor.

Is there an option for FDE in Slackware's installer?

>>58922435
what terminal? with most programs in X, if you highlight something and then middle-click into any text input, it copies the highlighted text.

>>58922466
not in the installer itself, but you can set it up yourself. the installer only installs (and does some basic system configuration like timezone, startup services, bootloader, etc.
http://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-current/README_CRYPT.TXT

>>58922369
>everything surrounding debian is a shitshow
tell me about it, trying to navigate their guide as a semi noob was the most frustrating thing ever.

>So you wanna install Debian
yes, get me to the command that makes this pen drive into a bootable installer
>Sure thing, here are 16 different installation guides, depending on which version of Debian you want.
I want to install 64 bit jessie with my pen drive
>Alright, now read all these 14 chapters of the Debian manual
no thanks, I just want to make this pen drive bootable
>I hear ya, one of the chapters is about the install process, but now choose between CD/DVD/web install
What? I don't get what you are talking about, do people still use CDs? How is this relevant to a noob? I just want a thumbdrive from which you can boot and install
>Well maybe click around on some of these links scattered around, go to this second guide, if you click enough links at random it's just a question of time before one of them is the right one.
thanks but no thanks, I'll check the archwiki

>>58921436
I use Devuan.

>>58922507
The xfce-terminal I think, can't remember its full name.

The middle button for me in vim just pastes whatever is higlighted, nothing from the outside tho, rip.

Ctrl Shift C and V works in regular terminal tho

>>58922525
the full name is just xfce4-terminal

>>58922530
Oh yeah.

>>58922525
to enable mouse copy/paste from outside programs in vim set mouse=r

>>58920107
One could say that.

However, you can have literally the kernel, xorg, a DM and just a base install of a DE with no extras and be pushing close to 1000 packages.

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>>58916314
or this...

Is there a very simple and free way to get around Japanese IP blocks with Ubuntu 16.04?
I've been trying to use openvpn with a Japanese vpngate vpn, but that doesn't seem to be working. I've got it so that the vpngate website says that I have a Japanese IP, but the actual sites I'm trying to get to have me figured out.

if the slackware dude is still here -
how can i grant a user permission to run startx? the user is in wheel but i can only seem to run it as root

>>58922586
Oh nice thanks, it's weird cause I have a modified .vimrc throughout the years but never used that but now after moving to slackware it did.

>>58922607
Not him but try to create a .xinitrc with the default window manager or DE you want.

The single line needed is

exec ratpoison

, where ratpoison is the window manager.

>>58922600
>spells....
I have known way too many people (2) who were convinced that they were servants of Lucifer and unironically talked about their collection of grimoires and monatomic gold and anunaki, and even as someone who is an ordained minister in a religion that is at least 40% about conspiracy theories, i couldn't stand listening to them, and the whole "branding" of Sorceror/SM just seems like it was made to appeal to that class of idiot.
I can't take it seriously.

Besides, they're just ripping off half of Slackware and half of Gentoo, right?

>>58922607
how is this even?
it gives you a permission error?
what wm did you select during installation?
do you have an .xinitrc? if not just copy one from /etc/X11/xinit/ (rename it .xinitrc, obviously)

>>58922600
>firefox 42

>>58922604
Those sites might know that the VPN your using is used for getting aroung the IP ban. Try a different VPN or a Japanese proxy

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>>58922694
Well, is as old, if not older, than Gentoo.

I personally came to Source Mage for the extreme minimalism (package manager based on bash scripts), but yes, at first I liked it was a magic themed package manager.

Won't even deny it can draw that kind of people because who cares.

>go to https://amirunninglinux.com/
>tells me I'm not running Linux
>mfw random user agent
>tfw linux isn't popular because users change their agents

I'm using xfce4-panel and the power manager plugin with an Openbox setup right now. Using wpg to set color schemes from my wallpapers and all is well but for some reason the battery icon for xfce4's power manager doesnt respect my GTK icon theme (which is based off flattr but is colored with wpg). The first time I installed wpg and used it, it worked just fine but now it just reverts to that ugly ass green vertical bar.

Any idea how to fix this? Or rather, why the hell it'd stop working after a reboot?

hey /g so i have a question and was directed here, not trying to be a personal tech service question here as a preview... i am backing up and reformatting my MacBook air 2011 4gbram 250gbflash hard drive, and i'm possibly looking for some tidbit of info regarding what best to install to gain some power over my system, been looking at arch but also vmware esxi? like a hypervisor? kind of lost but very interested in what my best options could be with this fresh install, even if it's just pairing down os x, looking for optimization and streamlining, basically want to learn a ton of programming and do some school stuff, web browser and email... the more i think about it the more i think just OS X with a vmware fusion install and then playing around until i want to dual boot might be the solution but any information you guys can further offer will be much appreciated

thanks

i'm not a robot

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>>58922791
>>tells me I'm not running Linux
Maybe because you're running GNU/Linux.

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>>58922791
>>>/reddit/

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Why Linux over Windows? What does it offer that windows does not?

>>58922882
GNU/Linux*

>>58922882
Actual computing.

>>58922892
Of course, pardon me.

>>58922882
/fglt/s will correct you, theres nothing like that in windows

>>58922882
a non shit way to develop

So it seems any flavor of Ubuntu 16.10 will not do anything with my monitors. I try to turn on the live usbs and it just goes blank. Tried to install Kubuntu as the 16.04LTS, then tried to update it. Screens went to power saving mode.

Why is this happening? Ubuntu bug or hardware issue?

Why is everyone using urxvt? What's so special about it?

>>58922949
Everybody? Not everybody, but is very customizable and can use xresources like xterm.

>>58922949
desu its just idiots who like jumping through hoops to get the same functionality you can get from just installing termite

>>58922949
>everyone
I puked, xterm is standard for anything using a linux kernel

>>58922949
daemon mode makes it very low on resources

>>58922949
is extensible through perl, I'll give you that

>>58922970
Which on any modern system is negligible

>>58922882
the meme answer is freedom, but.... freedom. from restrictions, complications, unremovable components, tracking, black boxes, etc.

>>58922785
sorcerer is at least 5 years younger than gentoo

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>>58919467
morituri

>>58922653
>>58922694
turns out my sudoers file just didn;t allow users in wheel to exec any command
odd, but it;s fixed now. i do have to type sudo startx, which i never had to do before, but owell