/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>>58625164
>one-click 5GHz on air button
Are you actually retarded or autistic or what

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Kaby Lake has been released! Skylake is depreciated if corresponding chips are similarly priced (e.g., i5 7600K vs i5 6600K)!
>Some motherboards will have a one-click, 5GHz on air OC button that works for 80% of i5 7600Ks
>100 series chipsets (Z170, B150, ect) don't work out of the box with Kaby Lake
>Z series chipsets have an "Enhanced Turbo", which allows all cores to run at the highest single core boost clockspeed (works for Skylake CPUs as well)
>Pentiums now have hyperthreading, and are thus the new default budget / entry level gaming CPUs
>Pentium G4560 is the best price / perf four thread CPU on a modern platform
>All Kaby Lake CPUs work natively with 2400MHz DDR4 memory
>Do not underestimate the impact of fast (>2400, e.g, 3000MHz) RAM in conjunction with a Z series chipset, which often provides as much of a performance boost as a CPU overclock

>>58625217
Are you actually stupid?

>Asus released a new BIOS said to hit offer a one-button 5.0GHz solution that works with 80 per cent of Kaby Lake processors.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-intel-core-i5-7600k-review

I just build my pc before kaby lake was released with what I thought was a nice shiny sky lake i7 6700k and I now feel cheated and annoyed.

>>58625246
>asus makes a 5GHz auto overclock feature (I'm assuming it clocks any 1151 CPU on the planet to 5GHz?)
>must mean "5GHz on air button"

>>58625268
The chips are basically the same. Just flash your BIOS with the Kaby Lake update for better turbo

>>58625246
That reviewer can't even get it 5GHz

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>>58625290
>Our Skylake-based Core i5 6600K overclocks nicely enough to 4.5GHz, but the new Kaby Lake chip offers rock-solid stability at 4.8GHz with the possibility of hitting over 5.0GHz with air-cooling.
Can you not read? Literally one sentence above the one I previously quoted.

Would flashing bios on a H170 board with a skylake CPU improve anything at all ? Is it worth doing ? Never done it b4 so not sure about the whole thing alltogether

>>58625314
Silicon lottery

>>58625335
>possibility
>can't even do it
>asus claims to do it with 80% of LGA1151 CPUs
Like what asus claimed is already confirmed as a lie, just wait until they explain the specific of the "5GHz button"
Because taking that as it is, assuming it works on "80%" of CPUs while real overclockers can't barely reach that with a few specific chips and a few specific coolers
But I mean 80% of LGA1151 CPUs now do 5GHz on "air" so it's gotte be true, can't argue with asus

>>58625314
>80% is 100%

>>58625368
80% of Kaby lake CPUs cannot do 5GHz on air
Why does asus think the opposite?

>>58625379
>80% of LGA1151 CPUs
Doesn't say that, moron. The quotes says "Kaby Lake processors" of which only two can be officially OC'd, the i5 7600K and the i7 7700K

>>58625393
Clearly they're not talking about locked CPUs, autismo boy

>>58625366
Probably not, maybe. Most the improvement is related to overclocking, which H170 cannot do. Check to see whether the H270s have the new Enhanced Turbo, about which there is very little info.

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need a PSU that will power 2 770's.

What do I buy.

>>58625577
Any bronze PSU with four 6+2 pin power connectors. I don't know why you'd want to SLI 770s. You can sell them for 125 a piece and get a more power single card that doesn't need so much power

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rape, comment, subscribe
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Ky4CgL

>>58625624
I already have 1 770. Is it worth selling it and forking out the difference for a better card.

I can get a used 770 for £100.

>>58625667
Yeah SLI is a meme

>>58625673
Cheers senpai.

If I sell my 770 and buy a new card what would be them minimum to play at 1440p comfortably.

im not willing to spend more than £200 + whatever I get for the card.

>>58625650
Looks good

>>58625667
Yes, especially because you don't have to buy an new PSU. You should be looking at the RX480 or 6GB 1060 if you want SLI 770 performance. Personally I wouldn't upgrade yet

>>58625709
Well if you can get 770 for 100, I guess you can sell one for that too, so basically 1060 6gb or 480 8gb

>>58625737
My current PSU is pretty shit and I dont trust it frankly. I'll go with a 1060. I don't give a shit about future proofing all I play is TF2 and I just want that sick 144fps

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>>58625149
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tZzpFd

Tear my ass apart and make it yours, senpai!

>>58625981
For what fucking purpose do you need 2x1080 SLI?

>>58625981
If you were going to go that far, why skimp out on the ram speed?

>>58625981
>still no 3000MHz RAM
Why tho

>>58625709
480/1060 would be comfortable, 1070 if you wanna max out the settings and still get 60+ fps

>>58626051
>>58626071
>>58626083
Anymore criticism? I said to blow my anus out, senpai. Not just poke it.

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>Build gaming PC
>One and a half years later lose virginity
COINCIDENCE?

What's the best build I can make with $500? I heard that logicalincrements is a shit tier source.

>>58626541
Depends on what you'd use it for. Shitposting? Games only? Intensive computing software?
You can do it with $500, but you can't have all the capability, like if you want games you'll probably need to settle for a weak CPU, if you process and render you might want to leave out a GPU
Logical increments was pretty much spot-fucking-on with my build, but I have a $1200 PC, not sure how good the cheaper tiers are

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https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/dtdGVY

Let's see how this Windows 10 thing goes..

>>58626580
Is that the cheapest psu you can find? Is that monitor freesync? You'll probably benefit nicely from freesync considering you're gonna probably be varying from 60-144fps a lot
Looks good, I just feel bad for you and your digeridollars

>>58626615

yeah that monitor is freesync

as for PSU I didn't want to be cheap as I leave my PC for long periods of time

not only the high cost but the fact shit is so hard to find in aus - gsync monitors are just too expensive, and all the decently priced ones have disappeared

>>58625981
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/94LpFd

>>58626688
That M2 is nearly SATA speed, it's not a better choice than a 960 pro if they're actually concerned about speeds. Plus a 1TB SATA SSD can be found for cheaper

>>58626541
For a $500 build LI is really outdated. If you want to buy a used gfx card you can get a significantly better one and stay at 500
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/Jhyf7P
The best upgrades would be a used GTX970 or a used RX380x and a $60 240GB SSD

>>58626688
>Western trash
>Phantom PC GAYMIN Case
>Ungodly slow intel m.2 drive

>>58626331
Cops are trash

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>>58626756
>t. antifa
Enjoy your stay.

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Is this a good mobo? I'm panning to buy this plus a 8gb 3000mhz ram for my i5 7500. I'm a poorfag, so I'm trying to buy things with future proofing in mind.

>>58626736
Thanks

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/rbJBxY

r8

>>58626783
>Thinking DailyMail, a known tabloid, is a reputable source of information.
KEK
E
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>>58626829
>memory THAT slow

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>>58626859
>i don't like your source because
Cry me more. Police are the good guys and punks like you will be locked up.

Ok /g/

depending on how much money I get between now and march I'm either going with this for 1080: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NdkqWX

or this for 1440: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/shPvNN

anything you think I should change? get a kaby lake instead of skylake?

>>58626756
She deserved all that ground she ate.

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nice video game consoles itt

Should I expect a 7700T competitor from AMD this year or do I have to wait another year to build my PC?

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If memory frequency makes a difference, why don't the benchmarks support it?

>>58629153
62.9 > 61.4

>>58626541
I built a complete

ivy i5 / 390x / 16gb ddr3 / 256gb ssd, 1tb hdd / 30"1440p / interface / audio

for a tick under $600

>>58629153
Crysis isn't a swap intensive game, try that with fallout or forza

Are mini atx builds a meme? For gaming in particular. going to moving into a dorm soon with not much space and will be carting my computer around a bit. Is air flow a problem if I had something like an 1070?

>>58629374
There's no such thing as mini ATX
And whether or not you have enough airflow is dependent on your case design and venting, it's normally only a problem on the smallest of builds thoigh

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>>58629374
Do you mean ITX or MATX? Both are pretty dank and more practical than full ATX in my opinion. I have a build in the Node 304 and I'm actually getting better temps in it in the Define R5. If I were to add a GPU, it would have direct filtered access to cool air.

>>58629501
The hell is that cooler? Of course you're getting better temps

>>58629409
>>58629501
ITX or whatever fits into something like a Fractal Design Nano.

What are you temps like?

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>>58626797
Anyone?

>>58626986
First build is better.

1080p144hz > 1440p60hz.

Also get a monitor with freesync. The next step is 4k. Don't fall for the 1440p meme.

>>58629525
Noctua NH-U14S. I used in in the R5 too.
>>58629535
2-3 degrees over ambient idle (24-25 degrees), 50-60 degrees on load, never exceeding 65 degrees.

>>58629591

I mean, is 1440p at the moment an intermediate step to 4k?

like, a friend told me 4k might not be worth it for another 4 years, is this true?

>>58629591

also, are TN monitors fine?

>>58629661
1440p is just an overpriced meme for richfags to spend money on. Sure it looks better than 1080p but 4k is an even better jump. 4k will eventually become the new standard for all content, Netflix is already supporting some 4k streaming, so is YouTube. Its only a matter of time.

Just if you want to game I would suggest going for a higher refresh rate before a higher resolution.

>>58629712
Yeah TN is fine. Viewing angles is a meme, not like you won't be sitting in front of it 99.99% of the time. Also TN has lower response time.

The only thing IPS has going for it is color correctness. That only matters if you are a 'professional' who needs that for work. Its just another marketing buzzword.

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>>58629765
>What is consuming media other than vidya
Never getting a TN panel again. Shit looks like ass.

>>58629788
Buy a television for other media consumption... Way more comfy than some small monitor.

Oh wait I forgot you're too scared to leave Mommy's basement and enjoy the comforts of a living room.

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>replace stock acer shit cooler with coolermaster T4
>temp at idle goes from 35 to 47
>full load temps go from 55 to 60+
what the fuck?

>>58629661
It all depends on your screen size and view distance. At normal monitor sizes, 1440p is all you need. Way easier to run than 4K and more mature tech. Personally I'd wait for HDR

>>58629179
Not that great unless you already had the DDR3


>>58629153
>why don't the benchmarks support it
Did you not fucking read the benchmarks in the third post of this thread? Benchmarks do support the claim, retard.

>>58629374
microATX is all you need

>>58626986
Get 3000MHz RAM, retard. That advice is all over the thread.

>>58629849
Incorrect installation?

>>58629849
installation error

my arctic 11 plus runs cooler than that

>>58629884
>>58629882
i reckoned so much, i was fiddling around with positioning the damn thing while it was in contact with the cpu paste

Why is nobody online talking about the Kaby Lake thermal issues? Delidding them has brought the temps down by ridiculous amounts, because intel cheaped out (or fucked up) the TIM and heat management on the chips.
I watched countless kaby lake reviews on youtube, and almost none of them even mentioned temperatures.

>>58629945
>why
Here's a thought, you've fallen for a meme?

>>58629905
Could be a fan issue

>>58629765
This the viewing angle issue is drastically exaggerated and newer panels have color that completely matches IPS display. Plus it's much cheaper, but this still all applies to the high-end TNs

>>58629905
I had to do mine 3 times on my first buid. get some mx4

h-h-hello builders what do you think of what im going to be paying for when i get money.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/djgCgL

>>58629905
That doesn't matter, is it tight? Maybe you missed a tension screw or didn't position something right

>>58629991
There's a lot better and more modern parts for cheaper or the same price. What purpose is this machine for? Gaming? What games/ resolutions?

>>58629991
Fuck. no.
Try again, check the pcbg pcpartpicker

>>58630028
gaming modern day things like gtav stuff like that maybe over watch, im trying to stay in the 400 dollar zone cause im poor. If you can help me if you dont like it please do

>>58630034
>http://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/

ill check that out

>>58630068
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/djgCgL
I improved on that list, in my opinion.
Keep in mind, you will probably have to buy a monitor, and a Windows liscence (unless you use a free OS like ubuntu or whatver). You can cheap out on the Windows by buying it from a gray market vendor, like Kinguin. Here's a guide:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXTqz3Fd28M&

If visual quality isn't the most important thing to you, I recommend going to a local pc repair shop. They usually have shitloads of half decent 720p or 1600x900 resolution monitors for really cheap. Also goodwill/ savers ect.

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is it finally time to upgrade my 2500k or should i wait for the 8 series

>>58629991
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QHtN2R
get the cheapest low end card, replace with used rx-480 once 490 drops and people are upgrading

Graduate to locked i5 (maybe used skylake?) once ryzen drops and shakes up the market. Get a 2nd 8gb stick of ram and a ssd for c:

sell cpu + gpu on ebay once you have new build.

or just save longer.

>>58630116
Assuming you are going from old i5 -> new i5, proooobably not, unless you really want to overclock heavily. The 7600k can hit 5ghz a lot of the time without too much of a fuss. Performance will improve but not by a whole ton. You certainly won't be blown away.
AMD Ryzen comes out somewhere in February, will probably be easily purchasable in mid-late March. It could be a massive upgrade, but we don't know what they plan on doing with pricing. Wait at least until the Ryzen reviews are out.

>>58630149
i'm considering stepping up to an i7, but considering that i got an old dual xeon server for my encoding, the added cores arent a requirement.

>>58630116
ryzen or coffee lake, you are still comparable to a locked kaby i5 if you have it juiced.

Possibly a new i7 if you need more multi thread but otherwise keep trucking. My locked ivy with enhanced turbo is still hanging in there too.

>>58630171
what is it about the architecture that makes sandy bridge so fucking op?

>>58630177
The real question is what makes haswell, vishera, skylake and kaby so shit that a 6 year old cpu isn't even considered outdated?

>>58630177
I can't believe how lucky i was to buy at the right time.

>>58630198
fuck, that's a good point. i'd always assumed it was moore's law and some quantum tunneling shit, but idk. amd kinda went to shit after the athlon 64s anyway.

>>58630207
i found another 2500k and a 2600 in a drawer at work and they both still post. all i need now is a few backup mobos and i'm set for life unless amd or intel finally gets their shit in order

>>58630177
it's not that the older chips were better it's just that gains are getting smaller. there has been a lot of focus on lowering power consumption in the last few years.

>>58630235
yeah and in that respect they've made some impressive gains.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wPByQV
What do you guys think?
Going for a build themed around the Zotac Amp! gtx 1070 in aesthetics. I plan on peeling off the SSD sticker and either leaving it blank or maybe getting a sticker made for it at my local print shop. I'm not really sure what case to use. The s340 is my go-to, but it looks too subdued for this theme.

>>58629993
na mate t4 has some backward ass 20 piece clip system, would've been a zillion times easier if i had positioned it with the MB off the case

>>58630397
wot m8? I've installed a t4 before and it's literally just screw in the clips, put the clip in the middle of the heatsink, hook the clips on each side, flip the lever. Pretty dang simple, especially if you compare it to say the 212 evo.

>>58630425
ye its simple but 2bh in a packed case 4 screws and one backplate is piss easy compared

>>58630387
Don't buy windows
Get an i5
Get a bigger/better SSD
Get 16gb of RAM

are i3's really shit for intense cpu work? am i better off with an i5 or 7?
0 experience with amd so i cant compare between their processors

>>58626580

me here

http://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/PJYXsY/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-rr212x20pmr1

is this a good replacement for the H7? They keep pushing the expected date of arrival back, and I think it's not going to be available anymore

just to clarify I don't really overclock CPUs

When babyjoke is the only CPU intel is selling how will i run windows 7?

>think about getting a 144hz monitor
>need to spend $600 on a GPU
whelp, time to get a new job

>Intel marketing
You've sunk so low /g/.
Will you ever recover?

>>58630628
huh

>>58630602
buying/using older cpus
running a VM
hacking your firmware

>>58630643
>easy unless i cant find a motherboard with the right socket or it arrives fucked
>still have to run W10
>sounds hard

>>58630657
>>still have to run W10
M-m-m-muh botnet xdddddddddd

>>58630665
yeah thats basically it

>>58630657
What the fuck do you want from me?
There are still plenty of motherboards with the right socket available right fucking now.
Buy one now if you're so god damn worried.
And yeah, hacking the firmware would be hell.

>>58630587

yes it's fine

how is this

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/pMGbcc

>>58630700
first build?

>>58630761


yes

any help would be appreciated

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zGQLf8

minimal wires, no bullshit edition

>>58630783
one tip , dont go IJK mate
big fuck around ordering shit
>order something
>takes them 30 min to come up with a quote for the item+shipping then you pay for it
>go to pay
>need to verify your identity with either an ISP email, a landline phone number or 'contact us for other verification methods'
yeah fuck that shit

>>58630795

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/vwWKkT

>>58630789
forgot to add.

It is for my father which is really against piracy so it needs a retail version of winblows, budget $1500 he is retire and cranky, spends a lot of time on the pc now. likes flight sims

>>58630700
>>58630783
Paying too much for mobo
You can also get a cheaper PSU if you aren't concerned with having the best power efficiency in the world.
I would put that extra money into a bigger SSD and maybe one of the $400 two fan 1060s like the MSI one

>>58630800

meant for

>>58630783

>>58630795

I never buy expensive shit from them only shit under $100 for this very reason

>>58630800
forget the 10 series nvidia and look for a 9xx
try getting mwave on more orders if it's only a few bucks difference, they do startrack which is 100% faster than regular auspost

>>58630824

nah fuck amd m8

>>58630830

>>365177293

nah amd are good for budgets

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/DKv2BP

>>58630830
i mean 9xx as in a 900 nvidia series
since the 1000s are out you should find a few cheap ones

>>58630860

this is pretty good

>turn up my cpu host clock from 333 to 433
>wont boot
>turn it to 380 or so
>boots fine
is my ram shitting itself when i clock it so high?

What's a good size for 1440p monitors?

>>58630920

nah that card is shit stick with the 1060

is it worth paying more for a mobo just for the sound quality?

>>58631241
Oh fuck no.

You might as well just get a dedicated sound card if you're that hard pressed.

>>58631241
>>58631388
No. 99% of all mobos should come with deveblnt sound nowadays.
Soumd cards are ok, but imho obsolete, if you want better sound an external AMP/DAC and/or interface are the way to go.

>>58631440
*decent sound
I'm a monkey on a phone desu

2560x1080 at 75Hz. 1070 the most appropriate card to buy?

https://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=37807&cPath=1780&utm_source=googlebase&utm_medium=cse&utm_campaign=export_feed#googlebase

>$210

https://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=37625&cPath=1780&utm_source=googlebase&utm_medium=cse&utm_campaign=export_feed#googlebase

$250


Is the $40 difference worth it for the sound quality?

>>58631501
Fuck no. All you pay for is the cancerous (((GAMING))) marketing.

>>58631501

literally no noticeable difference
don't fall for GAMER shit

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https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/VTdJTH

I've been wanting to turn my current rig into a mATX rig, but since it's impossible to find motherboards nowdays that supports Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge CPUs I might as well buy a new PC.

Looking to get a budget and portable mATX build for content creation and 1080p gaming that will perform as good or better than my current rig from 2013 with a i5 3570k and HD7850, and I'm going to reuse the 2TB internal HDD and 64GB SSD from my current rig. Does this look acceptable? Should I get a different mobo or smaller PSU?

why do cases come with reset switches when hitting them is basically the same as pulling the plug?

>>58631729
Because it's easier than pulling the plug

>>58631877
cant argue with that

>>58625149

Is the AMD FX-4350 Vishera Quad-Core 4.2 GHz > i3-6100 ?

>>58626829
"Hey Mom, look at me"

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/t4njbj
Any tips on making my build better, or saving money on meme parts? It's purpose is gayming at 1440p/144Hz on max settings of modern games, if not that then Tomb Raider or Civ VI. Would this build work? How long do you guys reckon it would last, and should I stick with my TV until 4k monitors are affordable, and 144Hz?

>>58632584
The 500Gb of SSD is there bc I already have external storage of a Five TBs

>>58632584
Seems pretty solid.
You could save money by not getting such an expensive power supply. All the platinum stuff means is it uses more power, either way your pc gets the same amount, it just uses a bit more from the wall to get it.
I don't know much about monitors or cases but there are a lot cheaper cases like the Cooler Master box 5 if you wanted to look into it

>>58632620
Oh yeah, your mobo is pretty meme tier. Ditch the {{{GAMING}}} stuff and you could save some money

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>>58625223
Rate my build, senpaitachi. Is there something that is out of place.

>>58632683
Why such an expensive mobo?

>>58632683
Disgusting. Hänge er sich auf.

>>58632706
What change would you suggest?

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Is this good?

>>58632638
Thanks for the tips

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4XVbcc
How is this for a gaming build? Budget of $1000 (with monitor and peripherals, without is $675).

>>58632906
No, anything that uses RGB as the main marketing gimmick is SHIT.

>>58631677
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/ppbcNN

Got the price down by £100, will the EVGA PSU bite me in the ass?

>>58633519
And also, I can get the XFX 480 for cheaper than the 470 in my local store, this is just to check compability.

>>58633343
It's shit and you are a clueless nigger.

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Alright, so I got this iBuyPowerPC that normally retails for $850 ish and found it for $449
(link : http://www.frys.com/product/8904323?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG).
Although out of stock, I found a place to get it guaranteed.
The question is that I want to remove Windows 10 and put in Windows 7, plus even replace the GPU with an RX 480.
Thoughts? Pic. Related.

>>58633343
>$240 for a monitor
WEW LAD

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>>58634757
>iBuyPowerPC

>>58625667
Overclock the shit out of it. I have a 680 running at 1267mhz (can easily hit 1293 and havent gone higher, but some games dont like it) at 1.212v (770 voltage) with the memory overclocked to the same speed as the 770 and its very much still a decent card. Im waiting for Vega

>>58625776
You cant get 144fps on a 770 on tf2? Or did you mean titanfall 2?

>>58634757
Ugly as fuck case, but at that price it's fine. Just keep the gfx card. If you're going to go through the trouble off installing Win7, get a 240GB SSD while you're at it.


>>58633519
Consider Kaby Lake
Get 240GB SSD
PSU is fine

>>58633343
Can't use a B150 out of the box with Kaby Lake

>>58632584
Civ6 will never hit 144 no matter how good your hardware is

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/ywTtr7

This is my first built.
I have futureproofing + possible Overcloacking in mind for when I can install a better cooling system (possibly water).

Am I getting the best bang for the buck of my Canadian Igloo money?

I will probably wait a month before I start buying/building, because I want to see what Ryzen has in store ...

>>58635683
Looks decent, but the 25um67 or 68 is the one you want because either has freesync. You can save a little money by buying cheaper components like an RX470, but it may not be worth the slight performance dip

What do you guys think I could sell my 3570K/ P8Z77I-Deluxe / 16gb ballistix tactical tracer for?
Looking to upgrade to a Z270I/ 6700T/ 16gb trident Z soon

>>58635776

Thanks I just looked it up and the 29um67p is on sell for about the same price right now.

Might buy it tonight.

>>58635888
>what is ebay / sold listings
Probably 200USD, haven't looked it up

>>58625149
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/W99tr7
Rate and suggest

>>58636166
See >>58625223, retard

>>58636180
What?

>>58636166
Get higher frequency ram and consider a gtx 1070 instead

>>58636180
calm ur tits

>>58636278
Thank you for helping my retarded self

>>58636233
My bad, I expected you to be able to read.

Umm... what's the most powerful CPU i can get which still works with DDR2 ram? I'm thinking of building a super toaster.

>>58636424
Probably a Core 2 Quad, not sure

>>58636390
Yeah I know. Reading and Writing are ability I never hope to possess.

How much longer will an RX480 be legitimately decent compared to an RX470? The performance difference doesn't seem huge. Assume both models have 4Gb VRAM

>>58636424
Phenom II X6 should work on AM2+ board.

>>58636424
Why are you building a super toaster anon? Posterity? Or poor? Because if poor we can probably give you better options.

what is the best processor to match with a gtx1080 solely for gaming?

So is Ryzen really gonna force intel to drop prices?

or is it all still just speculation?

>>58635658
Damn that sucks, thanks for the tip anon

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pvjLf8
How is this for a gaming build? Trying to play Crysis 3 on ultra, live in US, hoping it will last a few years. Any tips on making it better?

>>58636710

the power button on that case is way too big

minimalism bro

>>58636644
I don't think any games except maybe Kerbal Space Program with mods can bottleneck a 6600k right now. If money isn't an issue, get a 6700k or 6800k.

>>58625650
I like it. Good deal on RAM. They were $100 for 8x2 for weeks.

>>58636710
>2016+1
>no LEDs
Unironically kys yourself.

>>58636967
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZmBhGf

did someone say LEDs

>>58636710
>no wireless card

Won't even boot minesweeper.

>>58636978
>no LED PSU
Neck yourself you autistic fag.

>>58636978
>no LED CPU cooler
>no LED SSD
>no LED HDD
>no LED CPU

>>58637005

:(

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>tfw an RX470 in Canada costs $260 after shipping and tax
>tfw live too far from the border to journey to the holy microcenter and suck up the 0.7 exchange rate meme

I sucked it up and bought one because my GPU just died and I have no fucking clue when $200-range Vega is going to launch, if even this year

>>58635363
Lol, I didn't see that the 7500 is cheaper than the 6500, thanks for pointing it out

How strong are fan cables? My 'tism made me readjust my CPU fan a lot more times than I needed to and I was bending this cable at this one point a lot. Doesn't feel broken, but there's a noticeable kink.

>>58637599
Theyre as strong as regular wires

>>58636570
They are too close to matter, which is why I saved $40 and got the aftermarket 470

>>58636644
i5 7500, i5 7600K

>>58636656
I think it's likely, at least on any upcoming i7s. Not sure about the i7 7700K. Intel might try to keep that i7's price artificially high. The used market will much more closely reflect value

>>58637689
The 480 still has a place, even at 1080p
The 470 is like the absolute minimum you can get and still be able to max plenty of games at 1080p/60fps

>>58637689
>AMD constantly says they're going after the 6900k with zen
>AMD constantly says they will no longer be the budget brand with zen
>AMD constantly says they will be a real Intel competitor with zen
I can barely believe they'll put out the 8 core for $800 or less, let alone some kind of 4-core variant for under $300
If AMD has this kind of gain ready, they're not gonna waste it by making themselves "the budget brand" again regardless of how well the CPUs actually do

YO all my parts come today, but the i5 heatsink (Cryorig H7) doesnt come til Thursday. Can I put everything together (not turn on the PC at all) and then Thursday drop the heatsink on with little to no problem?

>>58637716
In a few years when you look at a benchmark bar graph, the difference between the two will be 3FPS

470 is the lowest of the best 1080p price/perf tier though, neck and neck with the GTX970

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Could really use some help here. I recently hooked up a sceptre 20 inch monitor to my optiplex 790, (VGA) and the monitor will turn on and display the sceptre logo, but after that it is a black screen with a blinking blue light on the monitor.

>>58637852
If your case has a hole for the cooler mounting bracket (it probably does) then yes
If not, it'll be easier to put it on before putting the motherboard in
Don't forget the I/O shield

>>58637755
Intel's i5 product differentiation is entirely artificial. They disable hyperthreading for that reason solely, product differentiation. I think we're going to see a lot of changes in Intel's lineup. Cannon Lake for instance will have 6 core consumer i7s, and they already gave all the Pentiums hyperthreading.

So we're likely to see a huge price/perf jump in future Intel refreshes

>>58638099
But cannon lake was always going to have 6 cores in the core series, and that's the next die shrink too, plus everybody who skipped Kaby Lake might fall for the new technology
There's no way Cannon Lake will be a good price/perf, it's too good

First PC to replace laptop. Will use for work but will game on it also. No budget but wanted any fuck ups to be on cheap shit. L O N D O N

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/tCt4JV

If I feel brave enough I'll have a got at this guy

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/Qy3dvV

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my 6600k holds 4.4GHz easily, but at 4.5GHz it instantly crashes.
After running at 4.4GHz fine for a month, I got a blue screen, should I change that to 4.3GHz? Or should I increase the voltage (It's still stock I believe)?
It never goes above 70° under load but if I'm not worried about speed, will increasing voltage lower the possibility of crashing?
Pls help I'm dum

>>58638008
Was the card used for a different monitor before the Sceptre and worked? It's probably outputting a resolution the Sceptre can't handle.
Hook up the old monitor, set the resolution to the minimum setting, and try the Sceptre again.

>>58638371
Does that matter over vga?

>>58638137
>But cannon lake was always going to have 6 cores in the core series
>always
Doubt it. Not without competition from Zen, which of course they had 'intel' on long before the tech press did.

Coffee Lake will likely be the last 14nm gen, could have some crazy price/perf. Anyway Cannon Lake won't have a new arch; that's scheduled for closer to the end of the decade.

>>58638420
Fuck if I know, but it's worth a try.

>>58638330
If it's still at stock voltage and you're able to be stable at 4.3ghz, you can try to up the voltage and try to hit 4.5ghz again. Especially if you don't have any thermal problems, the only thing that might hold you back is the vrms on your motherboard.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/ysgpFd
i want to get the price down, but don`t know what components i can replace on here.
am ukfag

>>58638549
i5 7600K + 3000MHz RAM
GTX1060 6GB if you're at 1080p

I want to replace my laptop with a desktop.

Currently have i7-3610hq and a gtx660m, 8 gigs of ram.

Planning to build an itx with h110, g4560, 16 gb RAM and 1050ti for some light 1080p gayming (the only really demanding title I play is Fallout 4). I also work with VS2015. I already have 1080p screen, mouse + kb and headphones.

Is this replacement really worth it (performance wise) or will it turn actually worse than my gaymen laptop?

>>58638740
for 20$ more you could get an rx 470 that performs 35% better then the GTX 1050ti, the GTX 1050 is a great deal at 100$ but if you have enough for a 1050ti you might aswell go for the 470 that performs way better for 20$ more.

Should I pick a Xeon over a Quad?

>>58638843
Unless you only use programs that only use a shitload of threads and don't rely on high IPC and speed, no

>>58638810

Where I live 470 is also quite a lot more expensive - I can actaully buy thr g4560 for what I save on going the 1050ti route. Besides, apart from Fallout 4 and Subnautica all gayms I play work fine on my 660m so I doubt the 1050ti would have any problems either.

>>58638172
Both are meh because of the monitors. Personally I would play with a 1080p 60Hz until you can afford 1440p

>>58638740

I want to basically go with this https://pcpartpicker.com/list/b4WP9W

and SPS-430MPCBEU PSU since I can't pick it in the list.

Basing this off of my yuro prices and availability.

>>58638938
>Both are meh because of the monitors. Personally I would play with a 1080p 60Hz until you can afford 1440p

First link is a 1080p 60hz and second monitor is 1440p

> No budget but wanted any fuck ups to be on cheap shit.

Read the OP is thrown around a lot, but read what you reply to should be reinforced too.

>>58639067
8GB RAM
240GB OCZ or PNY SSD
RX470 or 3GB 1060

>>58639112
Still he's paying 120 for the most standard monitor around. You can pick them up used for 1/3 of the price. Could have sworn it it said 144Hz though

how does this look for a gayming build?
i already bought the case, power, gpu and cpu cooler so it ends up being 500 bucks or so

>>58639467
welp
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/fCTN2R

>>58639467
Looks good. Gaming is a mindset.

>>58625149
Is Freesynch/Gsync vital for gayman or competitive?

I don't really give a shit about the aesthetics of screen tearing and watching videos on how it can fuck you over in shooters seems overblown. I've high level on my current fps just on a slow ass 60fps monitor.

>>58625650
I hear the RX 480 out performs the 1060 but that's up to you.

>>58639448

8 gigs of ram I can live with, 240 gb SSD I cannot. I have one right now and it's wayyy to small for me.

Also, Crucial is much cheaper than OCZ and literally noone sells PNY here.

>>58639488
Get either Skylake or Kaby Lake. No reason to buy an old platform new. If you want to save money then buy used and get an unlocked i7

>>58639514
Not vital. Personally I can't stand screentearing.

>>58639574
The SSD is just for OS + programs incl. games. Storage you use a HDD

>>58639601

Yes, and all my gayms + work progs are around 350 GB, add os and some random stuff into it and it goes to 400.

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Should I get a WD Red drive or a HGST Deskstar drive for secondary storage? I don't really need it to be fast, just quiet and reliable.

>>58639756
>quiet
>HDD
You may pick one. If it's about reliability then it's the HGST, easy.

>>58639689
the key is to not have every single game on your steam account downloaded at once

>LCD Controller - $27
>LCD 12.1" - $22.5
>Orange Pi - $35
>10x AA batteries and battery holder - $40
>3D printed case - $10
>Internal electronics - $20
>Slim keyboard and mouse - $10
The look on someone's face when I whip it out in public - priceless

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>>58640130
>10x AA batteries and battery holder - $40

Is the pcpartpicker website down for anyone else?

>>58640578
Nope

>>58640578

for some reason the Australian part is down

>>58640578
Are you using a (publically known) VPN?
pcpartpicker doesn't work with VPNs as far as I know

>>58640260
Rechargeable, you nonce

They're roughly $20 for 4 at any retail store for high capacity AAs

>>58640597

clear your cookies/history
reset your connection

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I've posted this build previously in this thread, but I would like your advice deciding between 3 graphics cards.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Ky4CgL
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QRTVbj
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mXvvNN

Sup /g/, built my PC today. Only took a couple hours to get everything up and running and everything works perfectly. I used these threads and other online resources for putting together a decent budget build. Here's what I got:

>Intel Core i3-6100
>MSI B150M PRO-VDH motherboard
>8GB DDR4-2133 RAM
>MSI AMD Radeon RX 470 ARMOR OC 4GB
>SK hynix SL308 120GB SSD
>Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB

Got a good deal with a combo on the processor and motherboard, presumably in part because Intel's got some new processors now. Didn't really need more than this performance-wise, so instead of bumping up the CPU or GPU I went for a good case and PSU that I could reuse in the future.

>Fractal Design Define Mini C
>Seasonic M12II Bronze 520W

Having a good case and fully modular power supply really made for a pleasant first build experience, though I obviously don't have anything to compare it to. Regardless, it was nice and I'm glad I made that choice.

Installed Ubuntu 16.10 and everything is working perfectly.

>>58641050
Nice, grab yourself another SSD and set up a Windows VM and GPU passthrough

>>58641010
The 390 is definitely out. Decide which games you're going to play and check benchmarks. Otherwise flip a coin to decide between the 480 and the 1060. They are neck and neck right now.

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Is there a way to subsidize the cost without compromising build quality?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Dc4w8K

>>58641136
>Nice, grab yourself another SSD and set up a Windows VM and GPU passthrough
Is there a reason to do so aside from getting access to games without Linux support?

>>58641374
Ask your parents/da gubbamen for more money

Is there any reason to go Kany/Win 10 or can I just tick to Sky/Win 7 for another 5+ years?

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I have some questions for my gaming pc:

Will getting an i7 make MATLAB and other data processing software faster over an i5?

I'm not from the USA so the other PSU available is a 550W with bronze rating. Which one is more power-efficient?

Will everything fit?

>>58641750
Gold is slightly more efficient than bronze. You can google the ratings.
I'd go with the 550W
the i7 will probably help with data processing, but there may not be a noticeable improvement, depending on workload
Get 3000MHz RAM
Drop to 1070

>>58641515
Low end, the Kaby Lake Pentiums are a huge value proposition
Kaby Lake i5s and i7 aren't that different from Skylake

>>58641374
Need Z270 for Kaby Lake to work out of the box
Can drop 8GB of RAM
Can drop to a 6GB 1060

>>58641387
Not that I know of, but that doesn't mean there isn't

>>58642124
why drop from 1080 to 1070?, is it a bottle neck or the better performance/money ratio?

>>58642124
>Kaby Lake i5s and i7 aren't that different from Skylake

except how the heat up much more, and can't run on windows 7

>>58642158
Yeah, 1080 is only 20% faster slower than the 1080

>>58642205
Would you stop?

>>58642281
ebin, cant wait to show this to my pals at r/4chan

>>58642281

>would you stop blowing me the fuck out

How about no?

Kaby is shit because of those 2 reasons, not to mention the fact it barely improves over Sky.

>want to build a new PC
>have recently lost interest in PC gaming except shitty esports
It's not fucking fair.

>>58641515

stick with Sky

microsoft are being cunts not making Windows 7 and 8.1 compatible with Sklakes because they want to further shill Windows 10

say fuck them and stick with sky

>>58642429
>microsoft are being cunts not making Windows 7 and 8.1 compatible with Sklakes

meant to say Kaby Lakes

>>58642429
>>58642446
Or just stick with sky because it won't burn your house down, performs the same, and is cheaper.

>Kaby Lake is not compatible on Windows 7

Then wtf is this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDR5qiwDrV0

i7 is a needless upgrade compared to i5 unless you plan on doing multimedia work. You won't get any worthwhile performance difference in games.

The cooler is needless unless you're overclocking, which you don't really need to do these days, as games are heavily GPU bound (this is also the reason an i7 doesn't give huge performance gains over an i5 in games).

I have a Sapphire RX 480 8GB and occasionally games will crash with green flickering then black screen, with buzzing audio.

Is the card fucked up or is it overheating or something? Or power issue? I have the latest drivers.

>>58642728
>AMD

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How is the i5 6600k for content creation?

Also will the 6600k get outdated too quickly? The 6700k is just so overpriced to me

>>58642788
nice me.me faggot
Just wondering if it's a physical or driver issue

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Can I use computer parts as a tax write off?
If I make myself an ''indie'' ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''dev''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''. So I can finally be able to afford a i7?

>>58642852

any artifacts?

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>>58642281
>Yeah, 1080 is only 20% faster slower than the 1080
kek, I meant the 1080 is only 20% faster than the 1070.

>>58642365
First of all, the temperature issue is way overblown, affects a small number of chips, and has reached meme status because of the screeching of autists like you.

Secondly the fact that it has native support for 2400MHz RAM and higher stock clocks makes the hardware better.

Lastly if you want a real OS you should be on GNU/Linux anyway. You can Win7 or 10 in a VM for all your gayman needs

>>58642546
It works, but it can't be installed directly as of yet. At least the required drivers etc aren't in some neat little guide somewhere.

>>58642728
Run onscreen temp readings as you're playing.

>>58642835
That girl is hideous, and if you're looking for multithreaded value, wait for Ryzen.

>>58642918
Probably

>>58642835
get a Skylake ES from China, literally the same performance as 6700 or 6700k based on models for half the price.

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>>58643055

>>58643055

>ryzen

how do we know its even any good yet

>tfw that first part comes in

>>58643122
>>58643055
>>58643167
So I just saw benchmarks that show the 1070 losing to a budget card (480)

Can anyone explain this? Is Nvidia really making bad cards?

>>58643269

show us the benchmarks, please

>>58643286
http://is2.4chan.org/g/1485310624422.png

>>58643192
Multithreaded perf will be good. Gaming performance is an unknown.

>>58643269
RE7 is an outlier. Only one website has anything up yet as far as I can see.

>>58643322

RE7 doesn't even use dx12, which nvidia is optimized on. not surprising.

>>58643384
I wish I could ban trolls like you from the this general

>>58643402

>The single biggest new feature of DirectX 12 is a change to the 3D graphics portion - called Direct3D - that will greatly increase the opportunity for developers to optimise their games for specific hardware

>http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/directx-12-vs-directx-11-what-s-new

>>58642936
Don't think so. I just ran a few games until it crashed. Green flicker and then black screen, then audio buzzes out.

>>58643055
I downloaded MSI afterburner to check, and it said my GPU temp at crash was 74C. No reason for it crashing heat-wise, at least. I'm not sure if it's a power issue, MOBO connection, or a bad card.

i5-6600k
ASUS Z170-E
Crucial Ballistix 8GB 2400mhz
Sapphire RX 480 8GB
-BIOS: 113-2E3472U.O5V
-Driver
16.40.2311-160916a-307259E
W10 x64 LTSB

https://pchound.com/9qMaD3/

did i go full retard?

>>58643427
And? You're a fucking moron. That doesn't say anything about NVIDIA. Everyone who has spent five minutes looking into the matter knows that neither Maxwell or Maxwell 1.1 (Pascal) is great at DX12 because the arch doesn't have a hardware scheduler like GCN.

https://nl.hardware.info/reviews/7133/12/amd-rx-480-vs-nvidia-gtx-1060-dx11-en-dx12-vergeleken-dx11-vs-dx12
Go to page 14
Nvidia has a DX11, NOT DX12, advantage you fucking moron. This is your last (you)

>>58643522

it crashed because it was AMD

sorry brah

>>58643534

it's all in german

but seriously, nvidia > amd

>>58643522
I've been getting some crashes recently on my Gigabyte G1 RX 470 at about ~77 - 79C while playing FC:P. The GPU load also drops to nothing a few times right before the crash. It's an immediate black screen, whereup my system reboots

>>58643522
>>58643551

definitely a driver issue

>>58643551
Mine flickers out green-black and then locks up, and sound goes out. Doesn't fix until I reboot my PC manually.

>>58643561
I just checked for driver updates though. Should I roll back or something? I heard the Sapphire RX480 was pretty good and when it's not crashing, it runs very quiet even at 65-75C. I'd be pissed if it was the motherboard since I only just finished building this PC.

>>58643574
The "definitely a driver issue" guy is trolling. Don't respond.

I have the following parts that I got from my cousin when he upgraded his pc, my question is if I put a 1050 ti or similar card what games could I play and could this system handle 4k video playback? Also not sure what case to get, I have the rest of the parts listed.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BJFpFd

>>58643722
You can play anything with the 1050Ti. Yes it can do 4K playback
Save up for the RX470

>>58643767
>RX470
Alright, I'll do that.

>>58643530

Using that site?

Yes.

>>58643722
Save up for a RX470, get the Deepcool Tesseract as case and maybe a PSU that isn't a ticking bomb.

what is a good margin between my ambient temp and my cpu temp? i'm getting 30-35c difference at full load

convince me to not buy an engineering sample kaby lake i7 from China for half the price of the regular ones

>>58644281
From where?

>>58644239
That sounds normal.

>>58643530
Will it work though?

Can anyone recommend a good 35W LGA1151 CPU for under $100?

Have a solid state build I've been working on for a mini station accidentally bought the 53W version of the G1820 instead of the G1820T and I'm having trouble finding a G1820T

>>58644535
Why the fuck are you using those useless Celerons? Core i3-6100Ts exists

Need mouse that has a numpad on it. LOTS AND LOTS OF BUTTONS

>>58644811
Razer has one. Go buy it.

>>58644877
>razer
I hate those fags so much after they fucked me over.

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Do any of you recommend great DDR3 ram sticks? Ones I currently run are kinda crap (preferably 16GB, also limited to 1866/ 1600/ 1333/ 1066)

>>58644935
No you don't. Now go buy a Razer.

>>58644811
Me too. I just want one with four buttons on the side

>>58644943
probably gskill 16GB 1866 at cl9 or something, I have these 2133@cl9 8GB and they're amazing.

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Australian prices are retarded.

>>58646180
fuckin tell me about it mate

how do i test my absolute full load cpu temp? been using tripcode explorer because it goes 100% on all cores

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>>58646180

Why are the Sky Lakes more expensive than the Kaby Lakes?

why are GSYNC monitors so impossible to find in Australia?

new thread?

>>58646532
Make one you lazy nigger.

New thread

>>58646784