>computer ethics class >everybody thinks the government

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It's a real shame that many people think that way, but there are some that don't. We must educate the ignorant populace as to why that line of thought is wrong.

>>52911823
>a good chunk of this "next generation" believes that thought police is good
>they also willingly trade freedom for som social networking and imaginary popularity points
>they also believe that they're feelings are the best arguments

What can possibly go wrong?

>>52911823
>>computer ethics class
what

I agree with what point you're bringing to the table. But fuck Snowden. He's a faggot. He knew what he was getting into. If his morals were that important, he should have not signed the contract and quit his job.

>>52911892
*their feelings

>>52911913
>Hello fellow internet folk, i am N. Sa...m...my... Yeah N. SAmmy. Anyways, do not agree with mr.snowden, who is with me fellow free™ Americans™®©?

Snowden is a treacherous piece of shit.
I hope he gets what's deserved.

If someone doesn't know the worth of their privacy, it is not up to us to prove it to them but up to them up experience why they are wrong. Keep on your argument points to sway those who will be swayed but otherwise let the people suffer.

>>52911954
Seconded.

Edward Snowden is praised as a hero, but he's really just an attention whore that's part of the cancerous "OMG LOOK AT ME GUYZ" culture that's taken over the world.

He unveiled nothing of substance from the shit he leaked that wasn't already known(he just had proof). What's funny is that there were hundreds of people within the intelligence community with the very same concerns he had. The best part is nobody here would believe me even if I said writing your concerns to the PR department or talking with your supervisor, actually worked in making the surveillance system less abusable.

Nope, the majority of /g/ and the internet love this guy. He's viewed as the special snowflake that decided to break the rules because of his own delusions of grandeur. Forget about all the people who's trust he betrayed or the fact that terrorist sand niggers are now even harder to track. He is the embodiment of every narcissistic, holier than-thou, fedora wearing, moral high grounding, passive aggressive, better than you, faggot that thinks they know the "right" thing to do. Just look at how this self-entitled nigger won't even come back to the US because he claims he won't have a "fair trial".

A "fair trial" doesn't exist for this retard because even if there was one he'd be thrown in jail.

tldr; Snowden is a brat that wants to have his cake and eat it too. Everyone that supports this faggot is either misinformed by the sheer amount of pro-snowden shilling or is another self-righteous faggot as described above.

>>52912012
Your not entirely wrong, but one could argue that Snowden actually gave substance to this claims mentioned to were you're not just a tinfoil freak based off theories to someone with legitimate fears.

>>52911823
The problem is that privacy = criminal and or tinfoil hat in the minds of normies. Sonyou can't even express that you are pro privacy without getting instantly labeled as a potential criminal or weirdo.

>>52911954
tripfags have shit opinions, who knew?

>>52912012
The reason you are completely wrong is because of William Binney

The dude that literally wrote the NSA surveillance software. He took the legal route to disclosure, and he's been severally harassed by the NSA for nearly 20 years because of it. He wakes up in the morning with agents sitting in vans outside his house everyday. And he has done nothing illegal.

>>52912130
How can you trust a man whose word holds no value? What is the measure of a man? Growing up I was taught to honor my promises. This shitbag betrayed his own word when he broke NDA

>>52911823
>it's over, the next generation is going to fuck over this country

obviously, you can already see it starting with all the college age liberals supporting bernie

>>52912012
>He unveiled nothing of substance from the shit he leaked that wasn't already known(he just had proof).
>He just has proof
Fuck off retard, he proved it wasn't some tinfoil bullshit. It was a massive piece of information

>>52912155
His promise was to protect the country from enemies abroad AND within.

He kept it.

>>52911954
Agreed. Revealing how we spy on other countries was solely to show he had no loyalty to the US and allow him to hide behind China and Russia.

>>52912156
but one of bernie promises is to end mass surveillance

>>52911913
How would he have leaked sensitive info then?

I don't think you thought this through.

>>52912012
>Edward Snowden is praised as a hero, but he's really just an attention whore that's part of the cancerous "OMG LOOK AT ME GUYZ" culture that's taken over the world.
This is intentional. He came out in public instead of leaking anonymously because...
1. He would get caught anyway and this lowered the chance of him being brought to a secret prison.
2. He is able to beef up his credibility because of his resume.
3. Normies would rather listen to a good looking celebrity than a random anonymous person.

>Just look at how this self-entitled nigger won't even come back to the US because he claims he won't have a "fair trial".
That means he wants a trial with a jury of his peers instead of a military trial. Also, the transgendered guy got 30 years (correct me if I'm mistaken) in prison for his leak. Disappearing into the prison system as a martyr is retarded if no one will hear his defense in a public trial.

>>52912012
>He unveiled nothing of substance
>he just had proof
are you stupid

>>52911954
>>52911994
>>52912200
you really mastered the no trip/trip posting switching technique

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>>52912155
>"Hey timmy I have a secret to show you."
>"But you can't tell anyone okay?"
>"Okay!"
>timmy gets raped
>"But I agreed not to tell anyone, and what type of person would I be if I we back on my word?"

>>52912155
>This shitbag betrayed his own word when he broke NDA

> In a legal case, Binney has testified in an affidavit that the NSA is in deliberate violation of the U.S. Constitution.

We have plenty of evidence that the NSA is breaking US law, it's all the guys in government following illegal orders that you should be worried about.

>>52911872

Yes we will, one shitpost at a time!

>>52911892
>>52911933
anita sarkeesian now works for twitter's trust and safety council

>>52912201
He is a socialist(communist).

They're all about increasing the size of the government and clamping down on the people when it falls apart because communism never works. 1984 and animal farm are literally about soviet communism.

He's lying.

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>>52912253

And it's all thanks to /v/

>>52912253
Proof?

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>>52912253

>>52912258
>1984 and animal farm are literally about soviet communism
you need to revisit those books, anon

>>52912253
remember when >>>/v/ spread that she was helping develop mirror's edge 2?
kek

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>>52912269
https://blog.twitter.com/2016/announcing-the-twitter-trust-safety-council

>>52912258
>socialist(communist).
oh america

>>52912321
No mention of her...

>>52912325

Neither work anyway

>>52911954
>>52911913
>wanting whats best for the people of your country
>traitor
Its you who are the traitor you small minded tyrant

>>52912271

Damn I'd fuck Anita so hard

>>52912329
are you fucking kidding? learn to crtl-f

>>52912370
There's Femfreq. This definitely does not mean she's employed by twitter and I'd say it's pretty unlikely they're paying anything at all.

>>52912380
nice damage control
>get rekt kid

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This really depresses me. I try to teach my friends to care about privacy and they give me the old "what issues do I really run into because they're spying on me?" line.

Technically speaking, they don't run into and jam-ups in day-to-day life, but I can't imagine not caring about literally everything you do being broadcast to the government.

It's been memed; nobody takes the mass surveillance thing seriously anymore because everyone tells jokes about it now. People are retarded.

>>52912389
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>>52912370

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>>52912395
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OAI2SWIvrkc

>>52912366
zoz keep it in your pants Romeo

>>52912412

>private website
>free speech

>>52912258
>>52912339
There are only 4 countries in the world. The United States of America, Russia, China, and the Middle East

>>52912412
I don's see the proof still.

>>52912430
>private internet
>NSA/Google/Godaddy

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>>52912012

Yeah I too remember how we all were talking about NSA's PRISM a few years before he disclosed it and all.

>we're literally being raided by nsa shills

>>52911823
Well lets compare the government to stallman.

One thinks its ok to sleep with little kids and one thinks its not. Yeah I rather trust the government then a retarded freedom fag.

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>>52912467

>>52912467
>ad hominem

It's like I'm really at reddit!

>>52912253
She was actually teaching classes about "rhetoric of popular culture" in some SF community college last I heard.

>>52911823
I actually trust the government not to go too far with abusing our data. What I don't trust them to do is secure it competently.

Breaking into government systems that aren't going to directly compromise politicians is child's play. I don't even know the first thing about security technology and I can do it. Half the time, it's just a matter of calling the right tech support number and asking nicely.

There's no feasible way for the government to adequately secure such a high value target for long. Good security is confusingly expensive, and since politicians don't see direct benefits from it, that's the first part of the budget to go.

>>52911907
literally nobody in the class understands what is ethical behavior so it's a good thing that it is required for my CS degree.

actually the more i think about your question the more i imagine you to be a total idiot

>>52912500
>I actually trust the government not to go too far with abusing our data.
Yeah, they're totally not selling any of that information to giant corporations, or anything... The corporations bend over for the government! #feelthebern

>>52912503
I think you're just projecting.

spoiler the government knows where you live

if they dont you are a neet in a basement cobtributing nothing to society anyway

>>52912532
>missing the point

>>52912503
I'm so sorry for you anon.

My computer ethics professor was a 70 year old Air Force vet and gave us a few lectures on how people often underestimate how capable government agencies are at mass collecting data. He claimed that even during the 70's it was very possible that the NSA was already tracking all phone calls and storing them. He seemed like a typical fa/g/got, I was waiting for him to pull out a Thinkpad covered in FSF stickers.

>>52912480
>uses term "ad hominem"
>disparages reddit

Why insult your own community?

>>52911823
Don't worry anon, none of them will have jobs, but they will be voting sadly...

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>>52912253
Just so you anons don't have to click a link.

Shit is real anons

>>52912500
> I trust the government not to go too far with abusing our data
> trust the government not to go too far
> trust the government

How stupid are you, really? The government never handles power well. The only conceivable reason for mass surveillance is to abuse and oppress the masses while consolidating power and turning a profit.

Assuming the government has the best interests of the people at heart is a naive dream; it's just another corporation looking to exploit people for all they're worth, and they're making sure we can't do anything about it.

>>52911823
Yes computer ethics. Teaching us it's not ethical to hack into computers and spy on people. Unless you're the government in which case we need to be ethical and stop complaining about them spying on our computer useage.. I think they're confusing ethics with compliance.... or maybe obedience

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>>52911823
Snowden was a traitor and should be executed immediately for treason.

>>52912866
>it's not ethical to hack into computers and spy on people. Unless you're the government

Just like it's not ethical for citizens to sell drugs, but it is ethical for the DEA to sell drugs in sting operations, or, it's unethical for citizens to sell unmarked weapons, but it's perfectly ethical for the government to sell unmarked weapons to rebels in nations of conflict, or even criminal organizations in bordering nations

See a pattern?

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>>52912892

>>52912914
Most definitely. The government has too much power and needs a better system of checks and balances for true democracy to work.

It's not that I do anything illegal I wouldn't want people to know about, but I also don't shower in the middle of my front lawn. The same reason it's illegal to hack a computer computer and steal someone identity or spy on them changing or watch what they watch or read their private intimate messages or see the intimate photos they exchange with a woman or such is the same issue people should have with someone they don't know in the gov looking at their shit. People complain tsa xrays might show someone the outline of your tit to prevent a bomb from blowing up while your a mile in the sky but they don't care if countless people they can't see in person checkout their nudes whenever they want?

>>52912892
When did the nsa get in here? Or have they always been here... watching.... waiting

>>52912892
shut up american piece of shit

americans should be executed

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>>52912975
>foreignfag talking about murica

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>>52912012
>sand niggers are now even harder to track.
If the US quit warmongering they wouldn't need to track the entire world just to catch a few sand niggers.

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>>52913008
Fucking americunts think they're the police of the world.

>>52913293
>US
>warmongers
I suppose ISIS doesn't exist now too, huh?

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>>52913400
I suppose america didn't create isis too, huh?

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>>52912975
>>52913398
>>52913429
Don't you guys have Germans to fikki fikki?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKu6Y7FtgF4

>>52912786
of course it's real

>>52911823
>>computer ethics class

the fuck?

if it's nonfree it's unethical.

it's not fucking rocket science.

>>52912866
the government has a legitimate monopoly on the use of force, why wouldn't they have a monopoly on spying on people's shit?

Snowden pretty much did what you were suppose to do as a whistleblower. I had to do one of those online lessons on whistleblowing for work before. Usually when you whistleblow, you are suppose to go up the chain, of course the government knew what they were doing, so the next step if you can't trust the chain is to go to the media. He also GTFO of the US because the government would have tried something.

>>52913502
>the government would have tried something
>Bradly Manning fine
>Julian Assange fine
Sure anon, sure. He is a traitor and can't stay in Russia/China forever. Execution will be glorious.

>>52913498
I'm taking a similar course. It's a requirement for a lot of computer science degrees. I guess they have to require something like this, just in case any autists didn't realize that stalking people online and distributing malware is unethical. But it is by far the most boring class I've ever taken

>>52913553
>Bradly Manning fine
Sure, if you consider getting sentenced to life in prison "fine". I don't blame him for not wanting to take his chances on that front.

>>52913553
Yup, Snowden is an attentionwhore who wanted to stay in the spotlight as long as possible.

>>52913568
jesus fuck.

best of luck man.

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>the next generation is going to fuck over this country
>next generation

You're 50 years late on that, fucko.

>>52912012
>he shit he leaked that wasn't already known
>the fact that terrorist sand niggers are now even harder to track
Dissonant rhetoric and ad hominems, I'm sure that your shitposting is popular on /pol/

>>52913553
>>Bradly Manning fine
He's a tranny who is spending 35 years in prison, that's not "fine".

>>52911823
>holy shit guys most people trust their government

This is surprising to you? Because if they didn't you'd be in the middle of a bloody revolution.

Would you believe there's even a significant amount of people that want MORE government involvement in their lives?

>>52913635
>He's a tranny who is spending 35 years in prison, that's not "fine".
Why are you so racist anon? He wants to share his boipucci with the prison population. You need to be educated more on gender equality issues and the plight of the otherkin.

>>52911913
Look you dense motherfucker, just because you lack morality does not make it useless for people. Heroes like Snowden is what is good about humanity.

And your lack of moral fiber disqualify you from making any judgment about what people ought to do.

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>>52912892

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>>52913679
>>52913679
>Heroes like Snowden
>Hero
>Snowden
He is hiding in Russia/China and selling them untold amounts of US secrets so they continue to renew his visa. Eventually though, he will run out and be deported, tried, and executed.
>mfw

>>52912112
yeah because if they label it as such people will disregard it. We're taught to think ill of questioning the government at all

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>>52913635
Daily reminder that the guys who killed these journalists and literally lol'd about it are free, while the person who exposed this atrocity was tortured and sentenced to 35 years in prison.

>Obama states whistleblowers will be welcomed
>Snowden whistleblows
>US now wants his head

>>52913708
k fag

>>52913708
>implying Russia or China don't already have access
>literally all they need to do is call up and say they forgot the secret codes

>>52912162
The patriot act clearly states in writing nearly every detail about the prism project. It is something the politicians voted on with their eyes open and is publicly available.

Only 'tinfoil' idea about it is that if people think the government will legalize surveillance and detail how the privacy of the American people is intruded upon and NOT actually use their new law.

>>52913553
Manning is in prison and Assange is hidden away in an embassy. Quit talking smack nigger.

>>52912258
There's a big difference between communism and democratic socialism m8.

>>52913882
>Manning is in prison and Assange is hidden away in an embassy
Manning is happy being a faggot and Assange just got let out. He implied Snowden would of been assassinated, which would be fine too.

>>52911823
>promise to expose illegal activity against US citizen
>proceed to leak spying techniques of US intelligence services to americas enemies for the next 5 years
>claim to care about freedom and government overreach
>hide out with sugar daddy who murders opposition activists and journalists at a whim and keeps his citizenry brainwashed with state propaganda

Libertarians, lol

>>52911907
Had to take one too. It was a one or two unit class, so not much content in it.

>>52913935
>>hide out with sugar daddy who murders opposition activists and journalists at a whim and keeps his citizenry brainwashed with state propaganda
he'd be already rotting in a ditch if he didn't run for china (he moved to russia later, he probably had no solid escape plan), at least he's still alive and expanding awareness about the issue.

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>>52914013
>expanding awareness
He is a total faggot who hasn't done anything and luckily Russia will trade him at the drop of a hat for a nice trade deal with the US.

>>52914040
>He is a total faggot who hasn't done anything
nsa pls

>>52912012
you're stupid.

Eddie will be at LibrePlanet 2016 by the way:
https://www.fsf.org/news/edward-snowden-will-kick-off-libreplanet-2016-in-cambridge

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Snowden is a cuck that helped terrorists avoid capture and learn to act more discreetly

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>>52914092
>shilling for nsa
I wonder who is the real cuck.

>>52914092
I can see college has meme'd you well

Snowden is my idol.

>>52914119
>>52914126
>muh famous hacker XD

>>52914144
There's no point in arguing at this point. I can see the botnet has already gotten to you.

>>52911892
A recent Pew research poll showed that 40% of millennials think that limiting free speech is alright if you do it to stop people from being offended.
I am actually surprised that the number isn't much higher.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/20/40-of-millennials-ok-with-limiting-speech-offensive-to-minorities/

>>52911823
>>computer ethics class
>>everybody thinks the government is implicitly trustworthy
This never happened.

>>52914228
>40% of Millennials are fucking idiots

>source: common sense

>>52913762
Snowden revealed a lot more than just PRISM.

>>52913722
Daily reminder that the "collateral murder" video neglected to mention that the combat report from the incident proved that ground troops recovered weapons from the dead terrorists the journalists were following.
The only people who committed crimes that day were the members of the military brass that covered up the deaths of the Reuters journalist. The pilot/gunner acted within the ROE. The way they acted (laughing etc.) is totally normal. It's a very common coping mechanism, and anyone who has fought in the military will tell you that they have seen other soldiers exhibit similar behavior.

>>52913708
Everyone trying to reign in fascist world dictator like USA is a hero of the people.

>>52911823
this how north korea works also

>>52912012
nice try NSA

>>52914261
Can't wait till Trump/Putin nuke you twice over Ahmed. Then Trump makes a new trade agreement for Snowden so he can execute him via firing squad on live tv.

>>52914311
Good goy.

>>52914311
cлышь ты чe бopзый тaкoй a
c кaкoгo paeнa

>>52914254
>psychopaths laughing while killing random people from an helicopter
yup, good ol american soldiers doing their job

>>52912012
I hope all of you anons know that this is pasta. I've seen it I think three times now, this is the fourth.

>>52914389
Like I said, it's a common coping mechanism. Soldiers would not be able to function if they didn't have a way to deal with the stress of war and death that didn't involve copious amounts of alcohol.

Here's a link to the report from the ground team.

www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2010/04/6-2nd-brigade-combat-team-15-6-investigation.pdf

>>52911823
in all honesty, the "nothing to hide argument" isn't as easily refuted as one might think. things worth reading on the matter are Daniel Solove and Adam D Moore, and Julian Assange and Bruce Schneier have made good statements on the matter. Snowden's answer I personally find a bit lacking, since the analogy seems oversimplified and flawed and doesn't include the security aspect at all.

There are, of course, all kinds of assholes making statement on the matter without any merit of any kind whatsoever, one of them being Eric Schmidt (who basically states that because of the Patriot Act, privacy is unlawful anyhow).

Start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument

>>52911823

"Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide." - John Adams

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>>52914415
>a common coping mechanism

>>52914228
I am extremely sad right now.

>>52912591
He sounds like a great man. Not even being sarcastic right now. It's rare to see attitudes like that from younger people or those associated with governments,.

>>52913911
>Assange just got let out.
I thought the UK government basically said "we don't care what the UN says".
Unless the charges against him have been dropped the report by that UN council was basically just their opinion, nothing binding.

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http://www.vocativ.com/news/281792/isis-fans-are-taking-encryption-lessons-from-edward-snowden/

Snowden trains ISIS fighters and I can't wait to see him swing from the rope by his neck when his visa runs out.

>>52914502
http://www.vocativ.com/news/281792/isis-fans-are-taking-encryption-lessons-from-your-mom/
Wow, form up the lynch mob boys.

>>52914228
>think that limiting free speech is alright

... and so? i might think that it's alright to force everybody to be an atheist - that doesn't mean anything. we have a constitution guaranteeing shit and that constitution will, for some time to come, luckily outweigh any opinion any group of people has.

let me be clear about this: this paper our value system is largely based upon GUARANTEES certain things by law. it guarantees, among other things, your right to disagree with it. however, there will be no discussion of changing what is in there for generations to come, and that is a good thing because people follow trends, stupid trends, and the constitution includes a fair amount of things to be resistant to these trends.

in other words: they might "think" that, but there really will be no discussion. fuck millennials.

>somehow ethics factors into 1s and 0s

what the fuck?

Hey grandpa,

Why don't you kill yourself. Your racist jokes were never funny. I don't want to limit your speech not to offend the blacks, I just want your old ass to shut the fuck up for once. It's just a good excuse.

>>52914502
>>52914513
Sending Snowden to USA would be like showing own weakness, so it seems very unrealistic that Russia will do it.

>>52914548
Ethics factors into things represented by 1s and 0s.

>>52914519
I don't think you can really count on the constitution. It will guarantee your free speech under the law but not in the minds of the public.

>>52914567
>seems very unrealistic that Russia will do it
Nah, they definitely will given the state of their current economy. Trump has already stated many times that he wants a good relationship with Russia and a trade deal would go a long way to establish that. Putin knows exactly where Snowden is and would likely trade him instantly for a solid partnership trade agreement with the US.

>>52914607
We are doing everything to distance ourselves from overseas influence. There was a postgres conference in Moscow recently. Like a third of talk were about switching from foreign commercial solutions (Oracle, that is). Minister was there, gave a talk.

>>52912339
>The Nordics, a primarily socialist region is currently one of the best places in the world to live

(Sweden does not count in this case)

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>>52912786

>Trust and Safety Council
>Trust
>Safety

>>52912155
The NDA is void if they're breaking the law as far as I'm concerned.

>>52914627
Cause the establishment in Washington has a Cold War mindset when dealing with Russia. That can all change with a change in leadership.

>>52914656
But the mindset here is that we really want to not be deponent of mood of USA leaders.

I, personally, do not believe that actual change is going to happen - to get own economy up and going we need to eliminate the corruption, and corruption is the soul of our government. So it's not possible.

But despite that it still looks like they are making an attempt.

>same class
>always that one faggot running arch thinking he's free from all this shit
>has to interject all the time

just end it

>>52914228
Sounds like fascism, shouldn't it be up /pol/'s alley?

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>>52911823
Presumption of innocence.

>>52912430
It's a public forum because anyone can access it. Also, seeing as they're not banning or helping to track the thousands of isis accounts it is a bit rich to draw the line at hurting some feminist's feelings online by disagreeing with her

The sad thing is that it takes a lot more work to be corrupt and do corrupt things than it takes to not.

The U.S. government goes to some pretty herculean effort.

>>52912356
What's "best" for the people of his country is NOT selling their secrets and risking the lives of countless Americans in the process

The only thing he revealed that was a good thing was the PRISM initiative. All the rest, pure treason.

>>52914993
>their secrets
>secrets belong to people

You are pathetic.

>>52914643
The Scandinavian model only works because:

A). Literally Alpha race - everyone looks good and feels satisfied, there is no conflict or clashing ideologies, the land is rich with resources.
B). No regional conflict of any sort in the last 200 years, barring Soviet invasion to Finland. Literally boredom central as far as global politics go.
C). Oil. The Fjords had quite a bit of it, basically kickstarting the economy and brought ridiculous wealth to the land. Small population, lots of resources. Literally no reason why socialism can't work.

The scandinavian model is successful because of multiple enviromental factors and political convenience. Not because socialism works.

Try setting up socialism in Asian countries, or Middle East, or African countries. Let's see how long it takes to turn into classic Communism.

>>52915087
Can you even read, fuckhead?

I'm taking "Ethical Issues in Computer Science" next term and it sounds awful.
>In-depth exploration of the social, psychological, political, and ethical issues surrounding the computer industry and the evolving information society.

I'm fairly confident it's going to be entirely about minority/woman representation in CS.

>>52915151
You make a good point, but you have your facts quite wrong. I believe the main reason why socialism in these countries work is because of the small populations in each country. For example, Norway barely has 5 million citizens.
My autism feels the need to correct some facts though:

>A). Literally Alpha race - everyone looks good and feels satisfied, there is no conflict or clashing ideologies, the land is rich with resources.

This is just a stereotype. With the recent refugee situation, clashing ideologies are on the uprise, and there are plenty of whining happening locally.

>B). No regional conflict of any sort in the last 200 years, barring Soviet invasion to Finland. Literally boredom central as far as global politics go.

Nazi Germany invaded and controlled both Norway and Denmark in WW2.
In addition, Norway wasn't even a sovereign state until 1904 - it was owned by Sweden through force since Napoleon.

>C). Oil. The Fjords had quite a bit of it, basically kickstarting the economy and brought ridiculous wealth to the land. Small population, lots of resources. Literally no reason why socialism can't work.

Norway is the only Scandinavian country that got rich off oil. It's also not in the fjords, it's out in the Nordic sea, several nautical miles off the coast of Norway.

>>52914415
Hmmm yes, a coping mechanism for psychopathic soldiers with latent inhibition issues. You're full of shit m8.

>>52914415
>laughing while murdering is very common
Thanks for confirming all soldiers are basically sociopaths.

>>52913935
It's not like he wanted to end up in Russia. IIRC he was on his way to some South American shithole when his passport was revoked and so he was stuck at the airport.

>>52914415
>thinks wired is a reliable sauce
Please just kill yourself and quit stealing our oxygen you fucking thief.

>>52912221
REKT

>>52912012
Just how many adjectives can you cram before a single substantive?

>>52912200
why would you need to be loyal?

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>>52912225
>>timmy gets raped
I just couldn't resist. TIMMEH!

In one of my classes, we talked about this. Class was full of normies that oddly enough felt that the government was untrustworthy, the NSA was bad, privacy is important, etc etc. Felt good, made me feel like I went to the right Uni.

>>52913293
for the record, the recent Paris attack was planned openly on facebook.

>>52913690
So they've been lurking for years but still they don't know how to make a universally acceptable time stamp? Quote a post or write down the time, or something, sheesh.

Btw, I'm a gurl. xoxo

>>52915469
>Just how many adjectives can you cram before a single substantive?
Other anon here.

Between 5 and 10 adjectives can be crammed before a noun without using commas depending on different linguistic rules.

http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/1155/what-is-the-rule-for-adjective-order#56874

evaluation
size
shape
condition
human propensity
age
color
origin
material
attributive noun
noun

>>52914502
>>52914513
The government is spying on you too, they clearly think you two are enemies.

Besides that, it doesn't matter if you're from isis or any other group marked as 'enemy' by your government. You are the enemy anyways.

You don't need to join isis to become an enemy to your government. Judging from your government's actions, you already are considered one.

so OP, when did you get brainwashed into being a retarded commie?

>>52915253
Yeah I know I got some facts wrong, I was shooting it off the top of my head because I couldn't be arsed to pull up the data again. Completely forgot about Nazi invasion. I only remembered Normandy and Poland.

I don't think it's that much of a stereotype. If anything the refugee crisis proves the point, the Scandinavian culture directly clashes with the disgusting "gimme dat" 'culture' of refugees which creates tension. As long as Sweden was a homogenous society, it's welfare state functioned perfectly. The refugees are going to crash the system.

I'm fairly certain the Oil burst in Norway affected Sweden aswwll, although Sweden is trying to be as oil free ad possible.

But like both of us said, it's power comes from relatively small populations with lots of land and resources.

>>52911823
>this country
Which? Murica? lel that's already fucked by africans, enjoy your shit :^)

Meanwhile in Germany in a kind of similar class:
>professor shows us leaked NSA documents and tells us about the myriads of ways with which spying is possible
>teaches us how to secure ourselves against it

>>52912258
>american socialism = soviet style communism
>this is the intelectual level trump voters hit

I'm not even suprised

>>52911872
There are people loving in planet earth in many countries that don't know how to properly create a swastika.
It angers me how people cannot figure this shit out.

>>52917296
The people themselves fucked it up. That just helped it along.

>>52912012
Jesus

>ITT
>so many NSA agent

>>52912012
This. Edward Snowden is directly responsible for the Paris attacks. He should be charged with not only betraying this nation, but being responsible for the deaths of over 100 people. If you support snowden, you're a traitor to this free nation and I hope you get brutally tortured under president trumps rule.

>>52912012
kek'd
While I agree on the fact he should be punished, and probably do some jail.
Given he leaked sensitive & classified information, which put his nation in Danger.

On the other hand. No he didn't made the nation's job harder to track mudshits & terrorists, it didn't really changed THAT much. Most of the NSA's tap wires are supported by the other nations, etc.

What he did was important, not for the lambda SJW, not for the guy who believed in conspiracy theories, but for democracy itself, because, it was a situation from which the Judiciar Power was completely supplanted. Some representant of the Executive Branch, explicitely declared that the Judiciar Branch should be excluded in those matters. And that my friend, is actually the problem.

There's not problem with secrecy, at least in my opinion. I believe some information is better not made public, given how bad stupid people are able to interpret it. But, What matters is that the check and balances between each Branch are respected, it's one of the few things who really protect "democracy".

On that regard, Snowden did something right. Unfortunately for him, he also has rights and duties, and has to respect the law, which means pay the consequences of what he did. It's the only way for him to truly become an Hero.

I can also understand why he doesn't want to come back, since he won't really have a chance to defend himself properly, in a biased military court.

>nobody cares that everything you do on the internet is monitored and there are virtually no prvacy protections for consumers against datamining corporations
>BUT OH NO NOT THE USELESS FEDERAL GOVERNMENT

>>52914502
kek
Those are just scenes cut from the movie about him.

>>52912200
Why be loyal to a tyrannical government when you can be loyal to the people and their freedom from surveillance?

>>52920429
The only reason he proved his disloyalty was so Russia would know they can extract more information from him and give him a place to hide.

>>52920450
>He only did something that would require him to go into hiding so that Russia would give him a place to hide afterwards
So were you born retarded or did it happen later in life?

>>52920597
He's prob just a murifat, you know, one of those guys who believe the earth is flat and doesn't take 365 days to make a revolution around the sun.

>>52911823
>everybody thinks the government is implicitly trustworthy

Why shouldn't they? The only people I have ever known who dont trust the government are drug addled paranoid losers who dont understand what government is nor how it operates. They just spout paranoid crap to make themselves sound interesting

>>52920597
He wanted to reveal something because he's an attentionwhoring SJW but was afraid of prison, revealing international secrets allowed him to go into hiding in Russia.

>>52920732
It doesn't take 365 days to make a revolution around the sun, it takes 365.25 days :^)

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>ethics

>>52920955
Which rounded to an integer gives 365 days.

Jeez... You will never cease to surprise me of your stupidity amerifat.

>>52911823
Most of the new generation spend their time on reddit and such, not these neckbeard basement forums we have so they are pro-surveillance.

>>52911823
>the next generation is going to fuck over this country
Said every generation ever

>>52923039
and some were right

>>52911823
>Academia
>Not the biggest cesspool of leftist group think on planet earth

>>52912147
Yup -- this a thousand times.

>>52913639
Not trusting the government doesn't mean you want revolution, just means you recognize that holding the govt accountable is an ongoing project that is every good citizen's responsibility

>>52912795
> The only conceivable reason for mass surveillance is to abuse and oppress the masses while consolidating power and turning a profit.

There is nothing good that can come from it. The next generation seems to think the other way around: there is nothing bothersome coming from it. We're setting up the stage for something nasty, if we continue like this.
One of the reasons the next generation doesn't care might be the awful invasion of privacy already knowingly agreeing to. If you agree with it, and it doesn't hurt you, it is "good"; that is how our primate brains interpret things. For the millennials changing that view might require a sacrifice of something "good".

>>52912162
Seconded

>>52911823
>computer ethics class

wtf.jpg

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>>52912394

Imo, I think it's because of apathy, brainwashing from merchant media and the disconnect between real-life and cyberspace. Plebs don't think it's a real thing because it doesn't affect their immediate day to day existence.

Short of everyone being rounded up and sent to Fema camps for wrong-think, nothing will change the sheeple as they can't think past their goldfish bowl.

>>52922876
reddit isn't pro surveillance...

Normiebook is.

Maybe Tumblr but I wouldn't know I never go there.

>>52911823
Any person who critically thinks about anything knows that surveillance is bad.

Sheeple gonna sheep.

>>52923898
Ethics is pretty much taught in all degrees at least once. Possibly the biggest waste of time

>>52923754
>there is nothing bothersome coming from it.
Why would they?

They have been raised with Facebook as a defacto part of life. Lots of people who claim to like freedom from surveillance still use Facebook, and that apathy and hypocrisy coming from lazy fucks makes the next generation (of already not that bright or fairly naive people) apathetic to the idea.

>>52919872
They didn't even use encryption

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>>52914502
>http://www.vocativ.com

>Vocativ is a media and technology company founded by Mati Kochavi. Vocativ uses proprietary data-mining technology to explore the deep web in order to discover stories and generate original content.

>It has about 60 employees in New York and roughly 20 in Tel Aviv.

>>52912012
t. blind government drone

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>>52911954
>>52912012
People don't seem to realize that he is both a hero and a traitor.

His heroic actions were exposing the scale or unwarranted surveillance on ordinary Americans.

His traitorous actions were giving the secrets of out intelligence operations to enemy nations.

>>52912147
Not only William Binney, but also Thomas Drake.

The government went after him with ~30 years worth of trumped up charges and dropped them all when they couldn't substantiate them.

The idea that the official channels are working is completely wrong. Whistleblowers who do take the legitimate route are harassed and retaliated against.

Should Snowden get punished? If we're going to respect the rule of law, yes he should. That is the only logically consistent position.

However, the government must also respect the rule of law and the rights of it's citizens.

>>52912591
sounds like a cool /g/uy

NSA is bullshit, but most people don't share your concerns because it's not going to fundamentally alter their computing.

>>52915328
Well, they kinda have to be, right?
I mean, it's their job to kill people. You can't really think of them as people if you're gonna kill them. Makes your head go bad.

>>52911823
lol, i remember being totally mind-blown whenever we had ethics discussions in high school. everyone would raise their hands and say shit like "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear" and like "well just dont break the law and whats the problem?". its pretty fucked how empty-headed so many people are. thinking about anything other than their twitter feed and their biology test is truly pushing the limits of many young americans' minds lol

Government isn't implicitly trustworthy, it is fractionally trustworthy.
It is trustworthy in the manner that the nature of the organization and purpose of the government enables you to always have a faction of individuals, or individual entities within it, that go by their own principles and aren't bought out by the corporations.
It is also not trustworthy in that all other opposing individuals, or individuals who act neutral or opposing, may also be shills for corporations.

Meanwhile the corporations is never trustworthy ever, because the nature of the corporations is purely profit and nothing else. While the nature of a government is a consolidation of opposing views and collectives with a myriad of different purposes and goals depending on ideology, both collective and personal.

Ergo it can be said that the government is more trustworthy than a corporation, because you at least have some parts of it that aren't bought up by principle and ideology. The problem is identifying those parts and identifying others who are corporate shills fucking up the government procedures on behest of corporations in a way that's harmful for society as a whole.

The biggest problem of USA: The power balance between government and corporation is destroyed, the corporations who provide all the technology and military and surveillance, also use them to blackmail and manipulate the government, and they have more financial power than the government.

The solution: I honestly don't know anymore.

>everybody thinks the government is implicitly trustworthy
How come so incredibly many people have this exact mindset?

>>52911823
I'm 40 and most people in my generation think the same way
I'm sure if you asked your grandparents they'd say the same

>>52925755
Because "they elected them"

>>52925808
Nah some older people are able to remember the stasi.
Anyway that's a minority we are fucked.
>>52925580
You start to get it. The big problem of the government are the debts. There is no country that doesn't depend hard on the industry - it's not only the US. Most governments today work as legitimation tool for companies.

Although if you know about history then you would know that not one government was or is rly trustworthy.
Elections are the biggest joke. Give us the possibility to choose between 2 things and most will think that was a "free" choice.

>>52912200
Of course other countries know how we spy on them. The average american didn't or at least had a much vaguer idea.

>>52911823
Bullshit because literally everyone is anticop. Maybe they're just saying anything to get that a and don't really care about the class

>>52927017
Dude be careful what you call bullshit. most people at my class seems to be Yolo swagger shit they don't care if they have no privacy. Literally everyone even when I talked to them after class said that they have nothing to hide and that they can't do anything against getting spied. They don't try and care more about class then their privacy.

>>52913708
>He is hiding in Russia/China and selling them untold amounts of US secrets so they continue to renew his visa.

Explain why this is a bad thing.

>>52914119
Is that Archer?

>>52911823
>next generation
I'm tired of this baby boomer meme, baby boomers are the ones who fucked up this country, not that this generation will fix their retardation but still

>>52919872
Please refer to:
>>52915607

They planned it all on fucking facebook.

>>52926316
>give us the possibility to choose between 2 things and most will think that was a "free" choice.
This is exactly why I choose not to vote in a country that enforces compulsory voting. Even if you do a donkey vote, you're still contributing to the problem that is the bullshit "left wing right wing" political delusion.

>>52914426
OP here. Just wanted to thank you for this information.

>>52911954
Has he killed anyone directly? No? Then he has committed no crime.

Treason against a country isn't as serious as outright murder, no matter what patriotic faggots say.

>>52929279
Then from a mathematic point of view you vote goes to the biggest party

>>52911823
The worst part about reading 1984 in high school was not that it ended so sad, or that I was probably the only one smart enough to understand it, but moreover that we all fucking live it, and no one gives a shit.

>>52930635
>I was probably the only one smart enough to understand it
*tips fedora*

>>52915711
I am proud to have started the thread that produced this post

>>52930600
It doesn't really matter when there are only two parties to choose from and they're both as bad as each other. I'd rather be completely apathetic about it and remove myself from the equation.

>>52911954
I think you've watched a few too many patriotic hollywood films mate. How does it feel to be a brainwashed drone?

>>52920450
>>52920933
HE DID NOT WILLINGLY STAY IN RUSSIA. Holy fuck, are you Americucks that brainwashed? He was in transit for a flight to Cuba when they cancelled his passport and he was stuck at the Moscow airport for over a month before Russia decided to grant him asylum. But Fox News probably didn't tell you that, right?

>>52932829
Like he wasn't expecting that.

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>>52932829

>>52935493

Are you joking?

>>52935493
my little millennial can't be this uninformed

>>52911823
>gubment gonna take away our shooty-shooty pew pews
>gubment is evol because of taxes
>gubment is evol because of public services such as healthcare and welfare
>gubment is bad because is gubment therefore tyranny

You must be an American

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>>52935493
>I can't into Google

>>52912112
I work with a guy like this. Mention how a public library setup a bunch of tor nodes, guy imediately goes into 'encryption is only for terrorists and pedos' spiel. When asked if he tapes over his webcam, 'of course, my privacy' shit. Fucking twofaced shitbag.

>>52912201
Yeah, because running a socialst nation works without having tabs on everyones actions. Get real.

>>52914246
Can confirm

t. millenial

>>52914993
>selling
He gave them to a journalist. The journalist is selectively releasing things that won't get anyone hurt or killed.

>>52911823
>>computer ethics class
taking this subject this year, what can I expect?

>>52936123

I've come to accept that at least a third of people are worthless to argue with. They regurgitate arguments from their favorite pundits and make up supporting facts as they go.

>>52914643
Well, I guess it's a good thing that Bernie's model of socialism is completely different from the Scandinavian model, right?

>>52911954
Some of the most heroic Americans were traitors, for a list go look at the Declaration of Independence.

>>52911823
>computer ethics class

W-what's this? Another crazy american thing?

>>52911823
Pretty easy to counter brah

Just ask how many people would trust TRUMP with their private information.

>>52914228
It's like during the last half a decade I've been in a parallel world. Suddenly people think limiting other people's rights is okay.

In the fucking land of the free.

what the FUCK is going on?

>>52914643
That's not a good argument.

The nords are pretty chill people, while americans are big melting pot of races. I can't imagine the land of opportunities becoming a socialist country.

>>52911823
Weird. I had a similar class in the Netherlands, mixed with German students. Social media and technology. Pretty much the other way around, complete boners for Orwell and Huxley etc.

>>52936447
The germans are also big on privacy stuff.

>>52936404
>The nords are pretty chill people, while americans are big melting pot of races
this is the key thing you need to make socialism work: a very homogenous population. When 99.9% of the people in the country look like you, share your values, etc, you're more likely to be okay with redistribution for their benefit, since you can see yourself benefiting from it at some point, and because you'll trust them not to abuse it.
hence the huge worries over mass immigration.

>>52936281
yeah, pretty much every university makes you take ethics classes over here. It's a result of some administrator or middle manager at the institution adding a bullet point to his resume by saying he instituted an ethics program. I've never seen a student who took those classes for a reason other than "it's mandatory", or who treated them as much more than a joke.

>>52936473
Yeah, although the Dutch students seemed far more tech literate. Not that it's saying much but the macbook usage for German students was 100%, where as only half of Dutch students them.

>>52936503
Is it just ethics? When I had the class only a small portion was about ethics. We also covered McLuhan, Postman, Toffler, the digital divide etc.

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>>52911823
>be me
>junior year of uni
>professor loses his fucking mind over Snowden releasing documents
>calls him a traitor
>realize the professor is a complete Democrat
>argue the liberal side of ethics on every paper
>straight As and finish class 99/100
>professor writes me a letter of req for a gov internship
>"Anon displays a high amount of integrity and concern for the unity and continued function for his nation. He's the most interesting student I've ever had."
>mfw I call him this year and tell him Snowden was a boss and I'm voting for Trump

>>52936588
>argue the liberal side of ethics on every paper
Can you elaborate more?

Did you write that from the viewpoint of a liberal while being a conservative yourself?

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>>52913708
What's he supposed to do? If the option is between getting deported and selling secrets, Id sell secrets too and so would you.

I think it's more of a convenience type situation, similar to why people use windows over linux. Privacy is inversely proportional to convenience.

The internet couldn't work like it does now if everything was encrypted so there's a trade off. In a few years it could become more convenient to encrypt everything but I don't see this as a big government conspiracy so much as regular people not having the time to allocate to learning how to keep all their shit private while still maintaining their current standard of internet use.

>>52911954
I'm not even from america and this opinion is a shit. Kill yourself please tripfag

>>52936588
Huh? Weird, I thought hating Snowden would be a pretty right-wing thing to do. You know, patriotism, calling him a traitor to the nation, justifying the NSA because of muh terrorist threat, demonizing Snowden because he went into hiding with the Soviets... And shouldn't 'liberal' mean you want the gubment to have less control over the people?
Eh. Eurocuck here, burger politics confuse me.

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>>52936940
>THOSE FEET

Is less privacy bad? With less privacy, potential dissenters can be easily identified and systematically, surgically removed from society at large *without* any obvious violence. So then, innocent, obedient people will be unaffected by the decisions of the name-calling radicalists!

And the world will be at peace and I'll no fuckall about it because I'd have been long "removed".

Good old English responsibility. Gets everyone over worrying, except loose lips.

>>52911823
nah its faggot slick you that are going to fuck up this country. fuck off you fucking belligerent ignorant hater

>>52940055
This

"First they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out -- because all the world's problems would be solved."

>>52922876
>neckbeard basement forums
4chan is hugely popular now, and it's also being tracked just as much as Reddit.

Also a lot of Reddit aren't pro-surveillance, why do you think Snowden is hailed as a hero by many there?

>>52940224

Reddit allows for real anonymity by accepting Tor and VPN IPs.

>>52940271
Really? I wasn't aware. That's pretty good actually.

>>52912147
>>52924897

How do you legally whistleblow?

>>52940305

To be fair, you can on 4chan too if you give 20 burgers for a Gold Account©

>>52940321
As a practical matter, you can't whistleblow against intelligence agencies. The only person to go to jail over Abu Graib was the guy who leaked the story. Also, Congress striped all legal whistleblower protections for government contractors, which Snowden was.

>mfw Feinstein expected Snowden to come to her and whistleblow

>>52930635
I think you might still be in high school bud.

>>52940380

Cont.

This reminds me of an old quote that goes something like this: "Find out who you aren't allowed to criticize and you've found who is really in control."

>>52936629
Well, I don't vote. That's why I argued that gays are great, Apple is great, stereotypes are evil, etc. on every single one of my ethics papers. I wrote what my naieve, tenured, idiot professor wanted to hear.
>>52939449
Hating Snowden is a government thing to do, not left or right wing. The main opponents of Snowden were initially Democrats in power, with Republicans laughing at the Obama administration's ascribed error in trusting him. Now that we're in election season, the Democrats and Republicans switched stances, Trump being anti-traitor and Bernie being pro-open government. Hillary is a DINO, or Democrat in name only. She's probably with Trump concerning whistleblowers, especially considering the FBI investigation.

Long story short, bullshitting gets you through OP's college problem. Say what people want to hear and believe the opposite. It's as American as it gets.