Ubuntu or Linux Mint?
>inb4 Windows shills
>ing4 install Gentoo / Arch / anything else
Try to have a decent conversation, gentlemen!
I recommend mint to people that never used GNU/Linux before because it has everything installed. How old is your hardware? Because mint is still on 3.19 and you might wany to use buntu 15.10 if you have new hardware.
LMDE is also pretty cool.
I personally prefer debian testing to everything else though.
I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!
Yeah, I heard that's the deadly seduction of gnu/linux - Ubuntu and other "easy" distros are the gateway drugs and you'll eventually fall into the depths of some hellish pits of Arch / Centoo / some eldritch horror.
I hope one day I'll reach that state and make that faithful leap.
In the past week I tried both kubuntu and mint. Both work like shit if you have swappable GPUs because fglrx is shit, so you have to stick with xorg.
With that said, I stuck with mint because I like it better but they are pretty much the same distro with different DEs.
Linux Mint is a frankenbuild Ubuntu LTS.
Linux Mint doesn't even have their own complete repos, but is just re-using the ones from Ubuntu LTS.
That's just inane and to lessen problems arising from that Linux Mint chose the retarded solution of disabling security updates for some packages like the kernel or Xorg server.
Historically Ubuntu took off among other things because it gave you a stable Debian every 6 months instead of having to wait 2 years for the next version. Stable Debian has the reputation of being ancient.
Ubuntu LTS has the same 2-year release cycle than Debian. LTS is more aimed for enterprise users and only supports ~2,000 core packages in the main repo for the whole support period. Most desktop packages are not in main and not longer supported than 9 months. You would be better off with Debian that supports all ~20,000 packages for a desktop distro with longterm-support.
Most people don't and I don't recommend going to arch for everyone, if it ain't broke don't fix it because you don't have too! Arch just fills a little niche were users get the most up to date software, rolling release opposed to scheduled and well maintained software repository
I didn't think I would like Mint Cinnamon but it is pretty fucking good. Like I would easily switch to Mint if I wanted too. I couldn't do that with Ubuntu because Unity pisses me off. Seriously the dash is fucking horrible. I like the dock in Unity but I wish I could move it.
I also prefer that Mint doesn't do all the Amazon bullshit. It sucks that the first thing I have to do in Ubuntu is follow the instructions on fixubuntu.com. That is just bullshit.
I wish making Cinnamon look nice wasn't so shit though. I couldn't find a nice looking theme for it. Everything looked just kind of "wrong". The default theme isn't awful but I would prefer something darker like Numix or Arc but they both look kinda meh.
Flatabulous for Unity is really nice, I couldn't get it to work with Cinnamon right though :(
>I also prefer that Mint doesn't do all the Amazon bullshit. It sucks that the first thing I have to do in Ubuntu is follow the instructions on fixubuntu.com. That is just bullshit.
Mint sold out long before Canoncial and brought you shit like patched search engines in your browser.
Yes I didn't like that getting Google as the default meant going to some Mint page and clicking on a tiny Google icon. Having said that I use Chrome over Firefox anyway so I just installed Chrome and all was good :)
They're pretty much straightforward with it tho, if you try to change the search engine to Google it tells you that the ones they suggest by default are the ones that sponsor them.
In general you just look for Ubuntu 14.04 LTS "trusty" info and it works just fine on Mint as Mint is based on trusty. In my experience everything that has worked for Ubuntu trusty works for Mint which is pretty nice.
The only slight differences are any Cinnamon specific things but that is true of different desktop environments on Ubuntu so not a big deal. Cinnamon is better than Unity IMHO.
Meh I use what works best for me. I live in the UK and soon enough no matter what I do online is going to be recorded thanks to Mrs. May. When i need to do something I don't want tracked I don't use my day to day system I boot up Tails and use Tor like a sensible person.
>Mint is a bit weird. I feel it's... limited (compared to the freedom in / with Ubuntu).
But Mint literally IS Ubuntu just with some extra bits so it is every bit as "free". Do you have an example of what you mean?
>What gives you that feeling?
It feels like I'm on Windows.
The system (on the surface, of course) wants to tell me what to do, which repo or update are important, which is not (they have "scores" or ranks).
It is weird (for me - as I said it's just my personal opinion).
*buntus' package repositories are maintained by professionals, not hobbyists.
That said I really like Cinnamon. Too bad it only is available from third party PPAs.
Official Cubuntu WHEN?
Ubuntu => shit DE, but decent repos
Mint => good DE, but ancient repos
Obvious solution is Cubuntu => Cinnamon DE + Ubuntu repos
Mint. No contest there. It's not only more polished, but it's also not a botnet like Ubuntu. Unity sucks dicks too.
Of course Ubuntu derivatives like Xubuntu are a different matter. Xubuntu and Mint Xfce aren't all that different. Mint just comes with non-free software, uses it's own repositories, and Xfce is configured a little differently.
Personally though, I had a problem with my network using Mint. The connection wanted to constantly turn on and off, and I couldn't ever figure out how to fix it. Googling it didn't turn up much, so I'm not sure if it's a common issue. I ended up going with Manjaro Xfce instead, and the problem went away. As with Xubuntu vs Mint, I found that I like Manajro's default of Xfce a little better. It's purely a cosmetic difference though.
same goes for politics desu.
yeah, people flinging shit is retarded, but there are a lot of nice places where this is not the case, pic related for example or everything that's not reddit or 4chan is really nice in that regard.
>Debian - Cain, the cursed one; original, but nobody cares; some says he will return
>Ubuntu - 2d Generation, got killed by the 3rd Gen.
>Mint - 3rd Generation, the Antediluvians, basically demigods
>Windows - basically Technocracy; they want to unite makind, but without creativity or real freedom
>Gentoo and other "hardcore" gnu/Linux folks - mages, but everything they're doing is complicated as fuck and simple mundanes will never understand them
>Arch users - no idea
You don't even know which comments are mine. And they may be irrelevant to this thread but they are not irrelevant to what you said. Remember where you are, nobody even cares about staying on topic.
Unless you're using LMDE, which nullifies every advantage afforded by choosing Mint (ergo using apt-get install for 2 fewer things), Mint is running on older shit in general.
Don't like Unity? Okay, just install Ubuntu Mint, or Kubuntu, or Xubuntu, or just use the minimal core iso and install Cinnamon itself because you fucking can. Linux Mint had its use a few years ago, but now it's just outdated trash for the laziest of the lazy people.
>Linux Mint is a frankenbuild Ubuntu LTS.
>Linux Mint doesn't even have their own complete repos, but is just re-using the ones from Ubuntu LTS.
>That's just inane and to lessen problems arising from that Linux Mint chose the retarded solution of disabling security updates for some packages like the kernel or Xorg server.
Using Mint currently on my laptop. Also have Mint on my Media Server and main machine dual booting with Windows. Been using Mint since Mint 15 released and never looked back. Cinnamon is just so comfy and the out of box experience is great. The fact is looks like windows is what makes the decision easy for a lot of people looking to start using Linux for the first time.
I don't like Unity, and not because of 'muh amazon spyware'.
Ubuntu used to be good. I used it from 9.10 to 14.04, it was a really good distro.
Then they dumbed down the user interface, and it started to get really annoying.
I installed KDE on it first. KDE had both a style and many options. But after a while it got all sluggish for some reason (never turned on too many desktop effects as my hardware is like 2008-era), so I said 'fuck it', backed up my projects and wrote Ubuntu over and installed Arch Linux.
I like ArchLinux the most because of AUR. I found many packages that simply doesn't exist/needs to be compiled for other distros.
I also like ArchLinux because I find it simpler than A LOT of other distros. This is my personal opinion but dpkg/apt was a mess, I couldn't connect to my Android device etc. on Ubuntu, but on ArchLinux it just 'werks'.
This is not shilling or anything, but just my opinion on a select few of Ganoo+Loonix distros.
Why not LMDE?
On that thought, why did they base Mint on Ubuntu in the first place?
Mint people have no idea how to do packaging.
LMDE has frankenbuild-packages from Linux Mint for their stuff.
LMDE1 ended in total disaster already and LMDE2 doesn't look much better.
Just taking a look at their outdated and buggy systemd should be enough:
Debian stable is at 215-17, while LMDE is stuck on 215-12.
Read the Debian Changelog to see what they missed in over a year.
IMHO Cinnamon is a shitty IDE and it caused a lot of various problems on different distros for me.
xfce is the most solid I met so far and I don't see why not go straight up buntu flavors.
Ubuntu has the best support of any distro, if you have software you need for school you'll be stuck with either an Ubuntu installer or installing manually on anything else. That said, I don't know if Mint can use Ubuntu installers.