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>Linux is not for average user
>Forgets that Ubuntu, Mint and Manjaro was specifically done for this user base.


Don't fool me, man. Even companies like Dell, Alienware and HP are offering Ubuntu on their computers. Am I wronghere, guys?
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>>52885861
Linux has no inherent intended use
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>>52885885
What the hell does this even mean?

Windows and Mac are both heavily targeted to normies. Facebook, Skype, YouTube, Netflix, etc... Are all they are marketed for. The only thing Linux can't so that windows can is gaming and meme software like "Official NFL Fantasy Draft with Xbox One Integration". If that's your deciding factor for a device then maybe you don't deserve a computer at all.

I digress. Linux can consume more types of media than windows 'natively', offers a full office productivity suite, can run many games but I'll admit this area is lacking, and do pretty much everything windows can but costs you less, gives you privacy and freedom and is more stable than windows.
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>>52885861
Pisses me off that APT and sudocuck distributions are the ones that are getting a foothold.

Still, as long as Linux gets a greater market penetration, I'm happy.
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>>52885861
Normies struggle to set up a VM or wine mostly
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>Systemd
Enjoy your botnet.
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>>52885861
DELETE THIS
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>>52886297
> DELETE THIS
Nope, too late.
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>>52885861
anyone here installed ubuntu / mint on their parents laptop? How did they react? (talking about general webbrowsing and youtube here)
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>/g/ says install Linux
>Install Mint
>"THAT'S NOT A REAL LOONIX GO BACK TO WANGBLOWS YOU BABY"
Why do you people even care what OS people use
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>>52886319
I actually installed Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala (most recent release at the time) on the family desktop, my dad was pleased.
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>>52886358
Mint is something, but it's pretty babby tier compared to compiling your own kernel
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>>52886399
Who gives a shit
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>>52886275
sudo apt-get install wine
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>>52886421
Too hard for normies
No really, no "normal" person will do that, they'll just complain and get a new laptop with windows or an iPad
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>>52886224
The entire array of Adobe software (some of which I use for work) won't run on linux, and wine doesn't work for shit.
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>>52886458
I was a Linux noob once (the Karmic Koala days), I memorized the command, due to installing Compiz.
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>>52886466
What's wrong with a VM running Windows? What's wrong with a dual boot for when you need it? There's a lot of software that can replace adobe's programs for Linux, too.
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>>52886390
same here, my dad tried ubuntu once, never switched back
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>>52886513
Why not just use windows at that point
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>>52886415
Austists who use gentoo on everything

I personally use arch because of the AUR, which has nearly everything as a nice package instead of having to add a ppa, install a .deb or fuck around with make
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>>52886535
At what point? For literally 2 pieces of software that you're being too stuck up to give up or your boss is being too stuck up to give up?
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>>52886535
Because Linux is better
Running it in a vm instead of dual booting makes it easier to use Linux more
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>>52886513
>Replacement for Premier
Pitivi

>Replacement for Photoshop
GIMP

>Replacement for MS Office
LibreOffice

>Replacement for Windows Explorer or OS X's Finder
Nautilus, Dolphin, Nemo, PCManFM, Thunar, etc.
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>>52886319
My gf wanted me to "clean" her win 7 laptop, so I installed ubuntu. She likes it.
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>>52885861
ubuntu is trash. have you tried install xilinx ise on that crap?
boy, i was about to throw pc outta window. literally, it is just 2 clicks on windows, and it is cancer on ubuntu.
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>>52886594
>>Replacement for Photoshop
>GIMP
You're fucking disgusting
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>>52886390
>>52886534
>>52886599
that's good to know. I might install ubuntu on their laptop once 16.04 is out.
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>>52886620
> Disgusting
I clean myself up every week.
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>>52886594
Why are you referencing me? I'm trying to convince the other guy that windows isn't a max security prison and escaping it is relatively easy.

>>52886620
>I subjectively hate this software because I never learned how to use it
I don't like it either but its incredibly good free software.
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>>52886599
>gf

Anon...
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>>52886567
>why is linux better
>because linux is better
kys
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>>52886644
>Why are you referencing me?
Sorry man, I didn't know that you was trying to do that.
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>>52886644
I've learned how to use it, I used it for years before I got Photoshop, and it can't compare
They are two completely different things
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>>52886764
>two completely different things
Yeah I guess if contributing to a shitty beauty model and creating actual consumable media are separate things inside of an image creator.
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linux doesn't offer any advantages other that freedom which people won't care. Linux is always be for servers and for people who have a lot of free time and love to tinker.
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>>52885861
>Implying Linux is for average user
>ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRWrmT0ovPE
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>>52887425
>Linux is only for servers
>Forgets that Android is a Linux-based OS running on phones, tablets, etc.
>Forgets that some TVs (esp. Sony Bravia) comes loaded with Linux
>Forgets that Chrome OS is Gentoo based
Yeah, it is only for servers
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>>52886635
Better use Lubuntu. Generally speaking, old people prefer simplicity and that distro is made for that.
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>>52887674
>lubuntu
will keep that in mind. Lubuntu is closer to windows, that's a good idea.
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>>52886319
My parents laptop a 2007 Dell XP machine was getting very slow, admittedly mostly due to the original HDD. When microsoft announced dropping support on XP I just bought a 128GB SSD and put Mint MATE on it. Boots up in 16 seconds, parents are happy and adapted very fast (they are in mid 50s), money are saved, old PC got new lease on life. Its been almost 2 years now.

Tried Lubuntu first and it was actually better than mint but installing pulseaudio always broke the system to the point that it wouldnt even boot and ALSA didnt work.
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>>52887606
Those devices literally use it only because Linux is free
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>>52887971
Fucking this. Older people don't play games, they don't need windows. Just install something simple and lightweight, boot, be happy.
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>>52888251
Wew Lad
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>>52887606
So you're cool with using chromeOS on your primary machine?
Because I sure as hell am not
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>>52886279
How is systemd a botnet? Where's the proof
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>>52886647
??? I use Ubuntu and I'm engaged
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>>52888448
He is a winbabby, Probably cannot even read C.
Just posting memes
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>>52886562
>Linux users say windows is shit because you have to restart sometimes
>say you should restart your computer every time you want to use 1 or 2 specific programs

Make up your mind Linux cucks
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>>52888602
What is VM.
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>>52888688
Yeah, I could run Linux in a VM. But what's the point? What feature would Linux have over Windows 10?
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>>52888602
>Be a wincuck
>Update system
>System wants a restart
>Updating...26%
>3 hours in
>Updating...27%
>Next morning
>Update failed
>Rage
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>>52888602
>Update meme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC4Mlhna6kE
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>>52888722
>be productive Windows user
>set computer to update while asleep
>update takes 4 hours per night
>finishes and restarts
>wake up, computer works fine
>zero time wasted


>be Shillux cuck
>every task requires 4 times as much time and effort to do
>have to memorize a ton of obscure commands
>hours wasted per day trying to do simple tasks
>"b-b-but my OS won't spend 15 seconds restarting!"
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>>52888747

Oh dear lawd. I larfed far too much. Enjoyably so.

Fuckin' bookmarked.
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>>52888839
>4 hours per night
>Doesn't even update third party cuckwares
Lad, efficiency is showing there
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>>52888839
>every task requires 4 times as much time and effort to do

What
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>>52888839
>Obscure commands
>Obscure
>browses a technology board
Nice one prajeet
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>>52886233
>sudocuck distributions
what do you mean?
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>>52888926
This is a consumer electronics board now
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>>52888883
Desperately grasping for strings there I see.
>>52888923
Don't kid yourself.
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Linux is for a specific type of person.. If you aren't that type there is zero reason to use it.. That's why it sucks. Offers nothing to a casual computer user.
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>>52888968
Waiting for the second /v/ cleanup raid again

>>52888981
How does it feel to update your third party updates individually, rajesh?
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>>52888839
>Gaymen/memeing means Productive
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>>52888722

>5 minutes left of battery life
>shut down laptop, because, you know, don't want to lose any work, amirite?
>INSTALLING UPDATE 1 of 1523452

>It never gets there.
>Power totally gone.
>Finally able to plug in
>STOP error. Because upgrade FAIL

Good Job, Microsoft.
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>>52889041
>>shut down laptop
which year are you in?
>INSTALLING UPDATE
too retarded to press the right shutdown button?
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>>52889001
>9001

Honestly though, I'd think casual computer users could use Linux just as easy as Windows assuming by "casual" user you mean someone who just browses the webs checking their facebook and emails.
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>>52889009
Perfectly fine. You deal with it on Linux too, with auto updating addons for your browser.
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>>52888939
I think he may be referencing Ubuntus pseudo-sudo privileges.
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>>52886319
"parents react" is copyrighted by the fine bros. see you in court, asshole
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>>52889065
I'd take a bet that 99% of the average user shuts down their PC and laptops.
Last time I had a windows update ready to install in Windows 8.1, my only options for shutting down was to install the updates while shutting off.
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>>52886466
>I use for work
>Adobe software
NEET spotted.
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>>52889065
>PC tries to install update
>He presses le right shutdown button
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>>52889022
>he has no time for games because he's just trying to get Linux to work
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>>52886319
Installed Debian Stable and setup some openbox + tint2 as a desktop with lightdm, iceweasel, and libreoffice since 2015

Running fine, the only failures were the 320GB HDD twice, only 2 """temp""" fixes were just tapping it by the side.
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>>52886224
>you don't deserve a computer unless you only want to use it to compute things I approve of!
OS partisans are easily the dumbest fucking retards on this board, especially the hipsters like this dipshit that gimp themselves over memes and dinosaur ideologies in some desperate attempt to look deeper and smarter than "normies"

Computers are a tool for us to use to derive enjoyment or some other kind of fulfillment out of our lives, and if it doesn't do that, it's shit. Deal with it.
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>>52888705
A sane filesystem for starters
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>>52889134
>He vidya
>He is over 20
How does it feel to be a literal manchild?
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>>52889106
nope, they just close the lid, which suspends.
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>>52889068
You can use pretty much every operating system still supported today to do that, it's whether there's a point in using anything other than what your computer ships with and is primarily geared to run is another story.
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Linux at its base is what ever any one individual wants it to be.
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>>52889172
>playing video games is for kids

Ok is this some new meme you just invented or something?
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>>52889041
>5 minutes left of battery life
>windows automatically goes into hibernation

good job, microsoft!
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>>52885861
currently trying to install ruby on rails on debian guest vm. not working, despite following the guide step by step. spent 30 minutes googling and i have no idea what 90% of the posts are talking about. until this piece of shit operating system can get software to install without fucking with arcane nigger bullshit like config files, .bashrc, $PATH (litearlly no idea what that fucking command does), etc., it'll be doomed to obscurity.
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>>52889244
Oh look mature video gamer here
>All these violence
>Some graphic scenes
>Nudity

>M-Mom, I am so mature now, right? People won't call me a manchild, will they

Pathetic failure.
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>>52889251

>Nit picking about whether Windows goes into hibernation at 5 minutes battery life.

Doesn't matter.

Updates take upwards of 20 minutes, most of the time.
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>>52889244
>>52889134
>Plays vidya

How does it feel to be a hopeless degenerate manchild? How do your parents feel? How many hours do you spend in video games in a day? Do your parents feed you? Is your room clean, or mommy does it for you? Do you often use these phrases: "1v1 me irl fget", "HAHAHAHA 360 quickscope m8", "git gud skrub"? How are your academic scores? Do you often engage in argument with your parents about gaming? Do they prevent you from playing video games for long hours?
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>>52889336
So movies, TV shows, and books are for manchildren because they have violence and nudity?
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>>52889321
on windows I have to set PATH variables all the time
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>>52889041
>what is hibernate
you deserved this for being a fucking dipshit
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>>52889392
No, video games are for manchildren.
Plain and simple
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>>52889392
Yes? Productive adults don't have time for movies and Tv shows. Books are fine if they're educational.
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Gnu Image Manipulator will never be able to compete with photoshop because its not meant to do the same thing. Its for manipulating, not producing....
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Stuff like autodesk and adobe software is hard to combat.
Really expensive software that is easy and fast to use, so people build a career on making stuff with those tools.
I get that.
If my job was using software like that at work, I would use windows on my work computer.
But for stuff like office work, programming, writing, browsing, I wouldn't use something that isn't free software.
If there is free solutions that is just as good or better, why not use them?
I know that my needs are basically just a browser, a text editor and a terminal, but what I have found is that when the tools are available, everything is just pure joy.
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>>52889321
$PATH is universal to pretty much any operating system with a command line environment
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>>52889321
>typing text into a file is hard, where are the buttons and pretty graphics??
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>>52889390
Wew lad I'm not that guy, but I hope this is pasta and youre really not this mad on the internet
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>>52889427
They are meant for adults, video games are for overgrown kids.
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>>52889418
>>52889427
>being a child means never doing anything fun

Kek. How does it feel to be a boring old fag? Do you even go out and socialize? Or is that for kids too?

You two sound more like teenagers trying really hard to sound mature.
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>>52889432
same
I still use Windows at home because I like it and its software base, but I have no problem using various counterparts on my Debian and Solaris systems as well.

>>52889463
>implying modern film and television aren't marketed at overgrown children as well
stop trying to delude yourselves and just own up to it, no mature, productive adult mindlessly consumes boatloads of media alone on a tiny screen in an unlit back room
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>>52889451
it's not just typing text into a file, it's having to understand how the operating system works to do something as fucking simple as installing ruby on rails. i'm giving this piece of shit 5 more minutes until i give up and just use windows.

>double click .exe file
>done

vs

>type in 5 commands
>shit doesnt work
>spend 1 hour googling
>type in 5 more commands
>shit STILL doesnt work
>literally no idea what to do to fix it
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>>52889515
>He only knows the movies and books that are designed for /v/ tier manchildren
The one who is severly deluded is you
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>>52886594
>I use adobe software
>only offers alternatives for 2
>both alternatives, while very capable, don't come close to the level of pro software.
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>>52889479
>Mature people play vidya
Get out of your gaming pc designed for 15 year olds and ask people if they waste their time in video games you pathetic loser
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>>52886594
>Replacement for MS Office
>LibreOffice

lol. try using libreoffice's shitty knockoff of excel in any white collar job, you stupid fucking manchild.
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>>52889167
so if it brings me enjoyment and fulfillment, being an "OS partisan" is a philosophically inassailable position?

good to know, thanks. your OS is fucking garbage, install gentoo
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>>52889625
>Winbabbies calling others manchildren
They sure learn fast
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>>52889600
Go out and ask if anyone wasted their time with Linux.
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>>52889646
>He asks this to a sysadmin
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>>52889642
call up bulge bracket investment banking divisions and tell them to use libreoffice instead of excel. :^) fuck off free software autist.
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>>52887606
Calling any of those as Linux in the same vein as desktop and server GNU+Linux is quite the stretch to be honest. Some are only marginally based on Linux and was done because it was cheaper than developing a kernel from scratch when they could just use already supported hardware and design a userspace of their own. Honestly calling Andriod a "Linux" OS is like calling Windows Phone the same as "Windows" simply because they are built on the same core design.
So it is in that regard in which most people will always view Linux as a server or tinkerers dream or simple for old people OS
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>>52889646
Not everyone knows about Linux
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>>52889677
ask a professional video game player if they've wasted their time making money off of it.

every single hobby anyone partakes in and does not directly profit from is technically a waste of time. some people just like to try to socially stratify themselves and each other according to the popularity of their hobbies
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>>52889749
>a professional video game player
Is this a joke?
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>>52889760
nope. competitive video games are becoming big money and rapidly gaining a foothold in the mainstream.
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>>52889545
>it's having to understand how the operating system works

whoa whoa whoa hold the fucking phone, you think that in the year of 2016 it's acceptable to not have at least a basic understanding of how the operating system you're running works? and that this is something that should be applauded?

jesus fucking christ go find another hobby because computers clearly aren't for you

>as fucking simple as installing ruby on rails

rofl you're not about to say what I think you're going to say, are you?

>i'm giving this piece of shit 5 more minutes until i give up and just use windows.

you did

let me tell you son, if you think installing ruby/rails on gnu/linux is hard you haven't seen shit until you try to do anything with ruby on windows and have half the gems you need not work because the developers don't give a shit about porting to window's broken ruby ecosystem

>>literally no idea what to do to fix it

here's an idea, read the fucking documentation you mongoloid
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>>52889760
>>>/r/OutoftheLoop
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>>52889760
Nope. Some of them make 7 digit salaries.
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>>52889790
>>52889812
Father: Son, what do want to be when you grow up?
Son:
>A video game player

>/v/: the dream
Might as well be a pornstar and get some money
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>>52889427
>working in your free time
good job idiot
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>>52889853
if you're having a hard time catching on, this sort of thing is what happens with every generation since the dawn of time. you have a group of self-absorbed cumstains who believe that the way they were raised and their belief systems are objectively "correct," and inevitably this clashes with a younger group of people who really just don't give a shit what you think.

naturally, you are older and think this makes you wiser/smarter, and you get an attitude about it. in reality, it just makes you an asshole.

within 15-20 years, aspiring to be a professional video game player will be as common as wanting to be a musician or sportsballer
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>>52889853
>implying anyone was thinking this

Anyway you must be one sad, pathetic, old man if you think having fun stops at 20. You're in peak mental and physical condition to do what you want.

Fyi I ride motorcycles with a group of other riders, go out to concerts, clubs, socialize, go to college clubs (math and "coding"), and play computer games on top of that. All because they're fun.

I don't look down on people who watch TV, who watch sports, who play sports like golf or football, even though all that shit is for kids, because I'm not some shriveled up old person like you.

Also you're on fucking 4chan. You think posting on here is a sign of maturity?
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>>52890013
And by "for kids" I mean "enjoyed by kids", not "designed for kids only"
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>>52889933
>aspiring to be a professional video game player
Sounds like a good excuse to ditch homework to me.
Video games is nothing but distraction of studies for kids these days. I tolerate kids playing games to a certain degree. But I sure I won't let kids forget going outside and waste life in my basement.
>>52890030
>"for kids" I mean "enjoyed by kids", not "designed for kids only"
"for kids" I mean "enjoyed by kids", not "designed for kids only"
wew
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>>52886358
>falling for the "LOL NOOBUNTU GB2 WINDOWS YOU DON'T KNOW HOW LINUX AKTUALLY WERKS KEK I BET YOU COULDN'T EVEN INSTALL ARCH YOU FUKKIN NORMIE" argument
>ever
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>>52886594
What about
3ds Max, Maya, After Effects, Avid, Unreal Engine, Unity, Nuke, Davinci, Mudbox, SoftImage and Zbrush?
I earn my money with these programs. I would never install Linux. I don't wanna become an It poorfag. I only use Linux on specific workstation in specific workflows, but Linux is not a complete solution for complete workflows or work at home.
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>>52890045
>sounds like a good excuse to not do something i'd rather them do
>i tolerate
holy fuck you are self-important. isn't there a subreddit somewhere you could be circlejerking on instead? i'm sure there are tons of redditors just itching to upboat you
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>>52890110
>I'd rather let kids not to go back to homework
Not everyone wants to be a NEET manchild.
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>>52890148
not the content i'm objecting to, but the thought processes behind it
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>>52886594
Also what about the engineers,AutoCAD etc...?

For designers the Adobe suite is essential. No one will hire you if you can't work with Adobe programs. You can use gimp and stuff for your private use, but it won't advance you anywhere in your work and professional life. You should rather train those programs that bring you money.

The only exception is programming and coding. No one cares if you use gedit, notepad++, some apple shit or that horrendous adobe program.
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>>52889792
> it's acceptable to not have at least a basic understanding of how the operating system you're running works?

i want to make web apps. why the FUCK should i need to understand how my operating system works to install web app framework. do you drive a car? can you explain and sketch a diagram of how an automatic transmission works? no? then shut the fuck up, you stupid faggot neckbeard.
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>>52890160
Hopefully you are admitting being a "professional video game player" is nothing but a joke
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>>52885861
Almost all of the guys I know from applied maths use Ubuntu. All of them use Debian based distros and I can't blame them.
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>>52890204
you're dense as fuck.
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>>52887425
Updates are way easier, no viruses,installing programs is easier, speed
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>>52890233
>updates are way easier
sure, until something breaks and you're faced with the task of editing mountains of config files.
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>>52890224
>Resorting to ad hominem
Okay, bye, manchild
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>>52890215
me too. I run debian as my second Base system on my virtual machine and honestly Ubuntu is so much easier. I love it. Ubuntu is like the apple, apple never was. I have to deal with enough issues in Ubuntu, 300% more than in Windows , I couldn't bother investing more time in an operating system, I have a life. A bit of fiddling is okay and fun, like in Ubuntu . If something doesn't work and isn't solvable I boot to Windows. Easy. But yeah those neckbeards investing all their time and day to repair their arch Linux instead of actually doing anything with their life are a disgrace to humanity. I could never fall that low.
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>>52890233
I don't know about you but every time I made a huge update, I always hope that my pc will still work at next reboot.
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>>52890172
AutoCAD is garbage. Engineers use SolidWorks or Solid Edge when the project gets serious.

There are some Linux CAD alternatives that you'll never use, but you should run SW/SE on a dedicated partition and not a VM/wine.


Besides CAD most engineering software is more suited to Linux. All the engineers in my department use it anyway.
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>>52890233
>installing programs is easier

no it really isn't
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>>52890288
whatever. you've been implying that i was a NEET (protip, i'm not) since we first started this discussion. whatever keeps you on your high horse, friendo.
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>>52890359
ew.
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>>52890366
Windows is easier.
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>>52890189
>i want to make web apps. why the FUCK should i need to understand how my operating system works to install web app framework.

because you're not writing fucking javascript that's ran exclusively in your users browser, are you? jesus christ I'd bet you'd also whine if you had to do something outside of a pre-setup environment

>do you drive a car? can you explain and sketch a diagram of how an automatic transmission works? no? then shut the fuck up, you stupid faggot neckbeard.

what part of "basic understanding" did you not understand? do you have trouble with reading comprehension? is that why you don't want to read the documentation for what you're installing?
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>>52890565
nigger i am following an installation guide LINE FOR FUCKING LINE ON THE OFFICIAL GITHUB PAGE. WHY THE FUCK SHOULD I HAVE TO READ DOCUMENTATION, AND HOW THE FUCK WOULD READING DOCUMENTATION HELP ME WHEN I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THE GOD GOD PROGRAM INSTALLATION IS BREAKING? HOW IS ANY OF THIS A "BASIC UNDERSTANDING?"
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Or we all could just come to the conclusion that the main reason why people don't use linux is because:
1. People like things simpler so that they spend less time learning about the machine and more time using it.

2. Because of pointless arguments like this.
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>>52890684
Isn't reading documentation and trouble shooting an important part of development?

Also, a basic understanding of where your code is being ran (hopefully not on a windows web server) is probably helpful too. But I guess I can see why you'd rather just focus on the ruby, it would makes things easier for you. But just you.
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>>52890684
>HOW IS ANY OF THIS A "BASIC UNDERSTANDING?"
it's definitely not an advanced understanding. or even an intermediate one. i would personally qualify "reading the documentation" as an essential skill for anyone. i'm sure your web apps are going to be amazingly programmed, technical tour-de-forces though. keep doing what you're doing, it's obviously working out for you.

here's the logic:
>HURR I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE IT'S BREAKING
read the documentation to understand where it's breaking

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>>52890684
>nigger i am following an installation guide LINE FOR FUCKING LINE ON THE OFFICIAL GITHUB PAGE.

so what's the fucking problem

>currently trying to install ruby on rails on debian

oh, there's the problem

>hey guy my decidedly not beginner friendly distro isn't catering to my beginner nature

I actually went to have a look as to why you're having so much problems installing rails of all things because I had forgotten why they want you to compile your own ruby, and on github also:

>Don’t Install Ruby from a Package
>Ubuntu provides a package manager system for installing system software. You’ll use this to prepare your computer before installing Ruby. However, don’t use apt-get to install Ruby. The package manager will install an outdated version of Ruby. And it will install Ruby at the system level (for all users). It’s better to use RVM to install Ruby within your user environment.

ruby's current release is 2.3.0, fedora packages ruby 2.2.4, ubutnu's latest release packages ruby with 2.2.4, and the kicker is that windows only packages 2.2.4 otherwise you also have to compile 2.3.0 on windows

so you're literally complaining that you're having to compile ruby to get the latest version that isn't even available on windows without having the massive ballache of compiling ruby on windows, except you're also using an advanced fucking distro that's aimed for experienced users who are sticking the distro on a server that requires years of uptime

debian sid has ruby 2.2.4, either enable unstable debian repos to get ruby 2.2.4 without having to compile it or look up a fucking guide to install rails on debian, digitalocean and linode offer guides for most debian releases

in fact, debian stable's ANCIENT AS FUCK packages are probably the reason why you're having trouble in the first place
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How is Ubuntu tablet progressing?
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>>52890684
>WHY THE FUCK SHOULD I HAVE TO READ DOCUMENTATION, AND HOW THE FUCK WOULD READING DOCUMENTATION HELP ME WHEN I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THE GOD GOD PROGRAM INSTALLATION IS BREAKING?

and do you know why I told you to read the documentation? because you're clearly fucking clueless about the operating system you're using, and operating systems in general

>>52889321
>$PATH (litearlly no idea what that fucking command does)

do you not know what $PATH does? windows has it too, it's not a difficult concept for anyone with even minor programming experience to understand

>HOW IS ANY OF THIS A "BASIC UNDERSTANDING?"

it's a basic understanding relative to what you're doing which is compiling software to get the latest bleeding edge release which is not easy on any operating system and least of all windows, do you know why linux has a reputation for being easier to program on (excluding windows/microsoft specific c#.net/visual studio)? because doing it in windows where the developer doesn't provide proper build targets for an ide is a literal headache and hours of work

which is why it's fucking hilarious that you'd use ruby as an example because just a few short years ago you'd be shit out of luck for doing anything with rails on windows because of the sore state that ruby is and has been on windows and even today it's still not at the point where it is on linux
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>>52885861
why install manjaro when antergos exists? and for someone mildly less casual, architect?
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>>52891071
>installing software on linux is easy
>package managers are so much easier than downloading software manually!

...

>debian stable's ANCIENT AS FUCK packages are probably the reason why you're having trouble in the first place

give a hand for linux, ladies and gentlemen!
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>>52889392
To be honest just because movies and TV shows are normie-approved entertainment it doesn't mean they aren't shitty escapism most of the time.
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>>52886275
The thing is, Ubuntu does have a graphic frontend for apt - the Ubuntu software center. The only problem is that its a massive pile of shit, and normies wouldn't be able to add third party repos, either. If the software center could become play store tier good, and websites would have little buttons somewhere to add repos to it in one click, that would remove the biggest obstacle for normies.
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>>52891071
why would any reasonable person install an unstable OS? lol
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>>52885861
Linux is not for the average user.
installation will go fine, first step will be fine, getting software and all, but here comes the troubleshooting. upgrades or new softwares will fuck shared libraries, it will become a clusterfuck.
the average user will get fucked when one day their single PC that runned ubuntu perfectly so far suddenly brings you a
>GRUB RESCUE shell on startup, a kernel panic, or the graphic driver won't load anymore because the devs did not test the forced new driver on that model of GPU, but wanted to force install it over the nVidia's by example.

There should be no problem with Linux, the people who pretend it's for everyone are this problem.

These people only measure their intelligence by their autism., but facing a problem, they are all on the same situation and cannot help. only make it worse.
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Ubuntu is easy as shit to use. I can't even the people who have a problem.

That said, Linux is badly in need of a good video editor. No, nothing can replace Premiere which is the current king.

I have no idea why it's so hard to make a decent video editor in open source work when there's a million aborted video editing projects. Why haven't any of them gotten over the hump, I have no idea.

Just take the Apple approach. Only accept one codec. Have another program that just reencodes for inputs. I imagine that would simplify things. It's wouldn't be like Premiere, but if it didn't crash and just did the basics, that would be yuge. Even make a shitty intermediate codec like Apple Pro Res. Anything. Just make it work. Make it an h264 only editor. Add h265 support later.

FFmpeg isn't enough to build an editor on? Are companies secretly suing projects for their codec use? Is that why these projects stagnate and turn out shitty? I can't figure it out. Just make it work.

If there were just one open source video editing program that got improved and built upon year after year, it would be amazing, right? Why can't Cinelerra be this? I had always hoped but it's still pretty shit.
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Why don't people just dual boot and call it a day?
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>>52893770
Just use openshot.
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>>52889107
That doesn't even make sence.
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>>52887432
I think I found her on facebook, kek
name is abbie.briggs.1
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Ubuntu is logging everything you do and your personal files into multiple hidden places where only hacker knows. I would choose MS spyware(Windows) over a hacking helper.
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>>52894491
who is this saemon daemon
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>>52889805
Reddit get out
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>This thread
>This board

Jesus Christ, any more shitposting and we might actually compete with /int/ or /b/ for quality.
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>>52895329
Stefanie Joosten
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>>52889578
krita and inkscape are also very nice, i grew up with adobe though so they are not perfect for me but i wouldn't decide my OS by one software suite.
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>>52890079
maya runs natively, blender is fucking awesome since ~2 years, UE4 runs natively. look up the rest on alternativeto
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>>52888839
this
also:
>be windows user
>spend my day making actual stuff with actual well know programs
>come home at the end of the day with a feeling of accomplishment
>roomate ask me to "come see this"
>roomate is proud of his linux desktop
>I tell him that's nice but he didn't "make it", just finally made it run
>He literally contemplates an OS but don't do shit with it but "upgrade" or "install" shit
>He rages and post winblows memes on /g/ and reddit
>I leave the place and go out to enjoy a beer with friends
>I come back home he is still shillinuxing
Linux is the OS fedora
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I wanted to learn more about "computers" in general, so I switched to Ubuntu and torrented some Linux training materials. Spent a week learning to use the command line effectively, and several more studying the materials I downloaded. I can't really see any reason to switch back to Windows, I feel comfortable here and I haven't ran into any trouble finding linux software comparable to the applications I was using on Windows. Feelsgoodman
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>>52886319
My dad tried Ubuntu and decided it sucks because it won't run his online poker games

>normies

it's not even worth trying for them
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>>52889134
>implying you need to do anything to make ubuntu or mint work
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>>52888839
> 4 times as much as Windows
Ubuntu has a simple update manager (and it could even upgrade the system to a new version)
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>>52889321
>He can't install Ruby on Rails

Give up nigger, you'll never figure it out if rails is too hard for you
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>>52885861
Average user never installs windows from scratch. It's done for them. Mint is easy as fuck compared to windows.
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>>52893437
Not any OS is being flawless. I tried both OS X, Windows and Linux. It is just that Linux makes me feel at home.
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>>52900220
>install mint
>justwerkz.jpg
>update manager notifies you if there are any updates
>updates take no longer than 3 minutes

It is even hard for normies to fuck up with ubuntu or mint. Now go do something worthwhile with your life instead of making up stories to shill for an OS.

>inb4 linshill xDD
I have windows installed too for some programs
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>>52900581
Hard for even normies*
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>>52900581
>being this butthurt
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>>52900601
Did you even try Linux? Everyone who tried a simple distro like Ubuntu told me that it is nice. Not to mention, I personally tried it out too.
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>>52900220
it's sad that anime fags put linux in such a bad light. It's these type of 'sekret klub' fags that aren't really that knowledgeable yet that kill the image of Linux.

One fat neckbeard wearing a "I love Linux" shirt does more damage to the communities outward image that a million Windows BSODs
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Windows has this. Not even OS X or Linux has this.
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>>52900617
Yup I did (through the roomate) and you don't get the point or can't read.
Once you have it running there is no mainstream software (Adobe, Autodesk) and no driver support. Like the roomate, it looks nice, you stare and it but when it's time to work (other than typing monkey code in a text editor) you are fucked. Yes it looks nice, yes you feel like you've done something once you have it running but it stops here. Be honest with yourself.
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>>52900623
I agree with this anon's statements
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>>52900654
> Not being usable
How did I manage to use Linux for years, even for school projects?
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>>52900671
Did you use any real world software as the brands I mentioned?
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>>52900654
Also, to be able to use Linux, you have to use it on your own computer, not through someone elses.
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>>52900680
Well, I used Oracle's LibreOffice and Google Chrome (not Chromium). Plus, my smartphone is Android.
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>>52900688
>you can't use linux on somebody else's computer that doesn't count as using linux
12 y.o. detected
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>>52900680
Not the earlier anon but i did
> Open software repo
> Install playonlinux
> Open and press nice install button
> Select windows only software I want to install and it basically does it for me
Other then higher end games, it werks
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>>52900699
>Office and Chrome
pls be bait
I'm sure you did a lot of work anon
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>>52900705
>>52900680
Forgot to say, used whole Adobe suite and Microsoft Office
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>>52900716
>>52900717
Just be honest with yourself guys, it will help you a lot in life
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>>52889336
>>52889390
All I'm getting out of this is 'Only children have fun. ADULTS work soul-shriveling jobs from 9-5, five days a week, and then do ADULT THINGS on the weekend, like mowing the lawn and cleaning the house'.

If that's what your entire life consists of, you need to re-evaluate your life, and the steps you took to get to where you are.
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>>52900654
>Use Linux for 95% of needs
>run Windows VM for shitty software that won't run on Linux

It's really not that hard. And the "lack of driver support" thing just isn't true. All of my hardware works out of the box with Ubuntu on every device I've tried so far.
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>>52900601
>a bit changed version of "u mad xDD" autism

Resorting to memes and jokes when you have been disproven makes the situaton worse for you m8.
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>>52889853
Reminder that the Halo 5 World Championship prize pool is at something like $2.1 million and growing.

First place gets 40% of that. Assuming it STAYS at $2.1 mil (it hasn't. That was as of Dec 3 last year, and people who pay real money into Halo 5 fund the prize pool), first place winners get $840,000. It's 4v4 gametypes, so split that between 4 team members, that's $210,000 each. Minus costs (I'd assume) of promoters, agents, and other bullshit, say $80,000, and that's still $130,000 each. For shooting pixels at other pixels on a screen.
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>>52886513
>What's wrong with a VM running Windows?
Not everybody knows how to configure that shit with hardware passthrough, and without hardware passthrough, performance degrades heavily.

>What's wrong with a dual boot for when you need it?
Wastes time and at that point if I have to constantly shut down my computer and turn it back on, just two use one or two pieces of software and the two systems suit my purposes equally well otherwise, why the fuck should I waste time and effort using two systems when one can do the job of both?
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>>52885861
It's for whatever you want to use it for. It's just a matter of whether or not you are lazy. Nothing wrong with being lazy. Capitalism wouldn't be what it is if everyone worked hard, instead of looking for the easy way out. Same with politics, religion and philosophy. Same with programming.

Great programmers are by nature extremely lazy, and always looking for the easiest way to do things. This puts them in a mindset that's conductive to innovation and ingenuity. Never underestimate the power of creativity and brilliance laziness can produce.

It's just that there are times in life where you do have to either put forth some effort, or else settle for the absolute shit life hands you. If you aren't willing to setup Linux to be the exact IS you want to use, then you are stuck with garbage like Windows, OSX and Ubuntu. If you are ok with that, then no problem.
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I'm running Ubuntu x64 on my Acer Aspire 5560G laptop. It's an old piece of shit and runs like shit with Windows so I'm glad I got it working.

Anyways, my graphics driver/flash is really buggy on it. Whenever I'm in fullscreen in Firefox or Chromium, my screen flickers blue whenever anything is supposed to be drawn overtop, (eg a context menu, volume/brightness overhead display). I know that disabling accelerated hardware in Chromium works but it causes tearing on videos so it's kind of six of one half a dozen of the other. I'm using AMD's proprietary linux driver.

Also the screen registers as inactive even when fullscreen video is playing so it will dim the screen and lock after a certain length of time. Anyone else got this issue?
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>>52900699
>Oracle's LibreOffice
only openoffice is oracle
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>>52901008
>AMD's proprietary linux driver.
use the open one in linux 4.3+ and you'll have a good time
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>>52901146
I'm using X.Org X Server driver now? Is it better?
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>>52900953
Ubuntu is the least garbage out of the three. At least I can remove the spyware.
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>>52901244
no, https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo
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>>52889390
>>52889418
>>52889792
>>52890045
>>52890824
>>52891071
>>52891292
>being this angry
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>>52886319
Installed Ubuntu on my parents computer.
They went out and bought a new one afterwards.
I didn't even delete the previous one (windows Vista), it would have booted into Vista by default
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>>52886319
my parents love it, my dad is a tech illiterate that can barely navigate android and uses mint successfully and my mom worked in tech and uses debian on her old power mac g5.
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>>52901539
> Buying a new computer after installing Ubuntu
Man, teach them on how it works. It doesn't matter how much time it takes.
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>>52886620
most shit you can do in current Photoshop was in GIMP long before it was in Photoshop...
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I only use linux on my laptop right now and still us windows on my desktop. Are there any good CAD programs that run natively on Linux?
I pretty much stopped playing video games to focus on school and my career and don't see a reason to use windows other than software support.
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>>52901689
https://alternativeto.net/software/autocad/?platform=linux
have a look at them and see for yourself if you like them.
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>>52889093
>He thinks we are talking about addons
What he meant was instead of manually updating each software, a packaging manager on Linux will update all packages installed into the system via that package manager (which is what you should do anyway), automatically. So, instead, you are the one spending hours updating 'muh adoobii fotoshoop' and 'muh speccy'.
>>>/v/
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>>52901769
Thanks anon I'll give FreeCAD a try. Worst case scenario I can just dual boot windows for Solid Works.
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I dualboot for Ableton and Photoshop. I haven't been able to get a hang of GIMP.
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>>52901806
freecad is a farcry from solidworks
it's only an alternative for the most basic use-cases, like drawing single-part models for 3d printing or the like

i personally also use windows only for solidworks, via dualboot (if i need full graphics performance), or in a VM (if software-rendered graphics won't get in the way too much)

infact, i have it running at the moment in a VM
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>>52900753
>Resorting to memes
>justwerkz.jpg
>inb4 linshill xDD
just STFU
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>>52901948
>this this and this
There really isn't any other piece of software that comes close to Solidworks.
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>>52902360
Those are some nice arguments you got there, retard. Try to post some counter-arguments instead of asinine insults.
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>>52902811
Are you a jew?
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Linux is more than ready to the average user, the problem is that the "average user" is more dumb than anything else. People complains about everything, what's the point of MS word if the person just uses chrome? Saying that windows is easier because you have the software that you need is just another negative point. Try port photoshop to linux and Gimp to windows by yourself, linux (GNU in fact) environment is much more standard than anything else...
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>>52903101
No, at least post a meme that suits the fucking situation.
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>>52885861
except for these facts:

>manjaro
>ubuntu
>mint
>all fucking garbage
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Linuxfags still haven't learned from the chromebook approach.
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>>52904138
what do you mean? locking down the user as much as possible?
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>>52903147
>the "average user" is more dumb than anything else
I'm wondering how they know how to
breathe if they can't install a single program.
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