>Linux is not for average user
>Forgets that Ubuntu, Mint and Manjaro was specifically done for this user base.
Don't fool me, man. Even companies like Dell, Alienware and HP are offering Ubuntu on their computers. Am I wronghere, guys?
What the hell does this even mean?
Windows and Mac are both heavily targeted to normies. Facebook, Skype, YouTube, Netflix, etc... Are all they are marketed for. The only thing Linux can't so that windows can is gaming and meme software like "Official NFL Fantasy Draft with Xbox One Integration". If that's your deciding factor for a device then maybe you don't deserve a computer at all.
I digress. Linux can consume more types of media than windows 'natively', offers a full office productivity suite, can run many games but I'll admit this area is lacking, and do pretty much everything windows can but costs you less, gives you privacy and freedom and is more stable than windows.
Austists who use gentoo on everything
I personally use arch because of the AUR, which has nearly everything as a nice package instead of having to add a ppa, install a .deb or fuck around with make
>Replacement for Premier
>Replacement for Photoshop
>Replacement for MS Office
>Replacement for Windows Explorer or OS X's Finder
Nautilus, Dolphin, Nemo, PCManFM, Thunar, etc.
Why are you referencing me? I'm trying to convince the other guy that windows isn't a max security prison and escaping it is relatively easy.
>I subjectively hate this software because I never learned how to use it
I don't like it either but its incredibly good free software.
>Linux is only for servers
>Forgets that Android is a Linux-based OS running on phones, tablets, etc.
>Forgets that some TVs (esp. Sony Bravia) comes loaded with Linux
>Forgets that Chrome OS is Gentoo based
Yeah, it is only for servers
My parents laptop a 2007 Dell XP machine was getting very slow, admittedly mostly due to the original HDD. When microsoft announced dropping support on XP I just bought a 128GB SSD and put Mint MATE on it. Boots up in 16 seconds, parents are happy and adapted very fast (they are in mid 50s), money are saved, old PC got new lease on life. Its been almost 2 years now.
Tried Lubuntu first and it was actually better than mint but installing pulseaudio always broke the system to the point that it wouldnt even boot and ALSA didnt work.
>Linux users say windows is shit because you have to restart sometimes
>say you should restart your computer every time you want to use 1 or 2 specific programs
Make up your mind Linux cucks
>Be a wincuck
>System wants a restart
>3 hours in
>be productive Windows user
>set computer to update while asleep
>update takes 4 hours per night
>finishes and restarts
>wake up, computer works fine
>zero time wasted
>be Shillux cuck
>every task requires 4 times as much time and effort to do
>have to memorize a ton of obscure commands
>hours wasted per day trying to do simple tasks
>"b-b-but my OS won't spend 15 seconds restarting!"
>browses a technology board
Nice one prajeet
>5 minutes left of battery life
>shut down laptop, because, you know, don't want to lose any work, amirite?
>INSTALLING UPDATE 1 of 1523452
>It never gets there.
>Power totally gone.
>Finally able to plug in
>STOP error. Because upgrade FAIL
Good Job, Microsoft.
Honestly though, I'd think casual computer users could use Linux just as easy as Windows assuming by "casual" user you mean someone who just browses the webs checking their facebook and emails.
I'd take a bet that 99% of the average user shuts down their PC and laptops.
Last time I had a windows update ready to install in Windows 8.1, my only options for shutting down was to install the updates while shutting off.
>I use for work
>PC tries to install update
>He presses le right shutdown button
>he has no time for games because he's just trying to get Linux to work
Installed Debian Stable and setup some openbox + tint2 as a desktop with lightdm, iceweasel, and libreoffice since 2015
Running fine, the only failures were the 320GB HDD twice, only 2 """temp""" fixes were just tapping it by the side.
>you don't deserve a computer unless you only want to use it to compute things I approve of!
OS partisans are easily the dumbest fucking retards on this board, especially the hipsters like this dipshit that gimp themselves over memes and dinosaur ideologies in some desperate attempt to look deeper and smarter than "normies"
Computers are a tool for us to use to derive enjoyment or some other kind of fulfillment out of our lives, and if it doesn't do that, it's shit. Deal with it.
>He is over 20
How does it feel to be a literal manchild?
You can use pretty much every operating system still supported today to do that, it's whether there's a point in using anything other than what your computer ships with and is primarily geared to run is another story.
currently trying to install ruby on rails on debian guest vm. not working, despite following the guide step by step. spent 30 minutes googling and i have no idea what 90% of the posts are talking about. until this piece of shit operating system can get software to install without fucking with arcane nigger bullshit like config files, .bashrc, $PATH (litearlly no idea what that fucking command does), etc., it'll be doomed to obscurity.
Oh look mature video gamer here
>All these violence
>Some graphic scenes
>M-Mom, I am so mature now, right? People won't call me a manchild, will they
How does it feel to be a hopeless degenerate manchild? How do your parents feel? How many hours do you spend in video games in a day? Do your parents feed you? Is your room clean, or mommy does it for you? Do you often use these phrases: "1v1 me irl fget", "HAHAHAHA 360 quickscope m8", "git gud skrub"? How are your academic scores? Do you often engage in argument with your parents about gaming? Do they prevent you from playing video games for long hours?
Stuff like autodesk and adobe software is hard to combat.
Really expensive software that is easy and fast to use, so people build a career on making stuff with those tools.
I get that.
If my job was using software like that at work, I would use windows on my work computer.
But for stuff like office work, programming, writing, browsing, I wouldn't use something that isn't free software.
If there is free solutions that is just as good or better, why not use them?
I know that my needs are basically just a browser, a text editor and a terminal, but what I have found is that when the tools are available, everything is just pure joy.
>being a child means never doing anything fun
Kek. How does it feel to be a boring old fag? Do you even go out and socialize? Or is that for kids too?
You two sound more like teenagers trying really hard to sound mature.
I still use Windows at home because I like it and its software base, but I have no problem using various counterparts on my Debian and Solaris systems as well.
>implying modern film and television aren't marketed at overgrown children as well
stop trying to delude yourselves and just own up to it, no mature, productive adult mindlessly consumes boatloads of media alone on a tiny screen in an unlit back room
it's not just typing text into a file, it's having to understand how the operating system works to do something as fucking simple as installing ruby on rails. i'm giving this piece of shit 5 more minutes until i give up and just use windows.
>double click .exe file
>type in 5 commands
>shit doesnt work
>spend 1 hour googling
>type in 5 more commands
>shit STILL doesnt work
>literally no idea what to do to fix it
Calling any of those as Linux in the same vein as desktop and server GNU+Linux is quite the stretch to be honest. Some are only marginally based on Linux and was done because it was cheaper than developing a kernel from scratch when they could just use already supported hardware and design a userspace of their own. Honestly calling Andriod a "Linux" OS is like calling Windows Phone the same as "Windows" simply because they are built on the same core design.
So it is in that regard in which most people will always view Linux as a server or tinkerers dream or simple for old people OS
ask a professional video game player if they've wasted their time making money off of it.
every single hobby anyone partakes in and does not directly profit from is technically a waste of time. some people just like to try to socially stratify themselves and each other according to the popularity of their hobbies
>it's having to understand how the operating system works
whoa whoa whoa hold the fucking phone, you think that in the year of 2016 it's acceptable to not have at least a basic understanding of how the operating system you're running works? and that this is something that should be applauded?
jesus fucking christ go find another hobby because computers clearly aren't for you
>as fucking simple as installing ruby on rails
rofl you're not about to say what I think you're going to say, are you?
>i'm giving this piece of shit 5 more minutes until i give up and just use windows.
let me tell you son, if you think installing ruby/rails on gnu/linux is hard you haven't seen shit until you try to do anything with ruby on windows and have half the gems you need not work because the developers don't give a shit about porting to window's broken ruby ecosystem
>>literally no idea what to do to fix it
here's an idea, read the fucking documentation you mongoloid
Father: Son, what do want to be when you grow up?
>A video game player
>/v/: the dream
Might as well be a pornstar and get some money
if you're having a hard time catching on, this sort of thing is what happens with every generation since the dawn of time. you have a group of self-absorbed cumstains who believe that the way they were raised and their belief systems are objectively "correct," and inevitably this clashes with a younger group of people who really just don't give a shit what you think.
naturally, you are older and think this makes you wiser/smarter, and you get an attitude about it. in reality, it just makes you an asshole.
within 15-20 years, aspiring to be a professional video game player will be as common as wanting to be a musician or sportsballer
>implying anyone was thinking this
Anyway you must be one sad, pathetic, old man if you think having fun stops at 20. You're in peak mental and physical condition to do what you want.
Fyi I ride motorcycles with a group of other riders, go out to concerts, clubs, socialize, go to college clubs (math and "coding"), and play computer games on top of that. All because they're fun.
I don't look down on people who watch TV, who watch sports, who play sports like golf or football, even though all that shit is for kids, because I'm not some shriveled up old person like you.
Also you're on fucking 4chan. You think posting on here is a sign of maturity?
>aspiring to be a professional video game player
Sounds like a good excuse to ditch homework to me.
Video games is nothing but distraction of studies for kids these days. I tolerate kids playing games to a certain degree. But I sure I won't let kids forget going outside and waste life in my basement.
>"for kids" I mean "enjoyed by kids", not "designed for kids only"
"for kids" I mean "enjoyed by kids", not "designed for kids only"
3ds Max, Maya, After Effects, Avid, Unreal Engine, Unity, Nuke, Davinci, Mudbox, SoftImage and Zbrush?
I earn my money with these programs. I would never install Linux. I don't wanna become an It poorfag. I only use Linux on specific workstation in specific workflows, but Linux is not a complete solution for complete workflows or work at home.
>sounds like a good excuse to not do something i'd rather them do
holy fuck you are self-important. isn't there a subreddit somewhere you could be circlejerking on instead? i'm sure there are tons of redditors just itching to upboat you
Also what about the engineers,AutoCAD etc...?
For designers the Adobe suite is essential. No one will hire you if you can't work with Adobe programs. You can use gimp and stuff for your private use, but it won't advance you anywhere in your work and professional life. You should rather train those programs that bring you money.
The only exception is programming and coding. No one cares if you use gedit, notepad++, some apple shit or that horrendous adobe program.
> it's acceptable to not have at least a basic understanding of how the operating system you're running works?
i want to make web apps. why the FUCK should i need to understand how my operating system works to install web app framework. do you drive a car? can you explain and sketch a diagram of how an automatic transmission works? no? then shut the fuck up, you stupid faggot neckbeard.
me too. I run debian as my second Base system on my virtual machine and honestly Ubuntu is so much easier. I love it. Ubuntu is like the apple, apple never was. I have to deal with enough issues in Ubuntu, 300% more than in Windows , I couldn't bother investing more time in an operating system, I have a life. A bit of fiddling is okay and fun, like in Ubuntu . If something doesn't work and isn't solvable I boot to Windows. Easy. But yeah those neckbeards investing all their time and day to repair their arch Linux instead of actually doing anything with their life are a disgrace to humanity. I could never fall that low.
AutoCAD is garbage. Engineers use SolidWorks or Solid Edge when the project gets serious.
There are some Linux CAD alternatives that you'll never use, but you should run SW/SE on a dedicated partition and not a VM/wine.
Besides CAD most engineering software is more suited to Linux. All the engineers in my department use it anyway.
>i want to make web apps. why the FUCK should i need to understand how my operating system works to install web app framework.
>do you drive a car? can you explain and sketch a diagram of how an automatic transmission works? no? then shut the fuck up, you stupid faggot neckbeard.
what part of "basic understanding" did you not understand? do you have trouble with reading comprehension? is that why you don't want to read the documentation for what you're installing?
nigger i am following an installation guide LINE FOR FUCKING LINE ON THE OFFICIAL GITHUB PAGE. WHY THE FUCK SHOULD I HAVE TO READ DOCUMENTATION, AND HOW THE FUCK WOULD READING DOCUMENTATION HELP ME WHEN I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THE GOD GOD PROGRAM INSTALLATION IS BREAKING? HOW IS ANY OF THIS A "BASIC UNDERSTANDING?"
Or we all could just come to the conclusion that the main reason why people don't use linux is because:
1. People like things simpler so that they spend less time learning about the machine and more time using it.
2. Because of pointless arguments like this.
Isn't reading documentation and trouble shooting an important part of development?
Also, a basic understanding of where your code is being ran (hopefully not on a windows web server) is probably helpful too. But I guess I can see why you'd rather just focus on the ruby, it would makes things easier for you. But just you.
>HOW IS ANY OF THIS A "BASIC UNDERSTANDING?"
it's definitely not an advanced understanding. or even an intermediate one. i would personally qualify "reading the documentation" as an essential skill for anyone. i'm sure your web apps are going to be amazingly programmed, technical tour-de-forces though. keep doing what you're doing, it's obviously working out for you.
here's the logic:
>HURR I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE IT'S BREAKING
read the documentation to understand where it's breaking
>nigger i am following an installation guide LINE FOR FUCKING LINE ON THE OFFICIAL GITHUB PAGE.
so what's the fucking problem
>currently trying to install ruby on rails on debian
oh, there's the problem
>hey guy my decidedly not beginner friendly distro isn't catering to my beginner nature
I actually went to have a look as to why you're having so much problems installing rails of all things because I had forgotten why they want you to compile your own ruby, and on github also:
>Don’t Install Ruby from a Package
>Ubuntu provides a package manager system for installing system software. You’ll use this to prepare your computer before installing Ruby. However, don’t use apt-get to install Ruby. The package manager will install an outdated version of Ruby. And it will install Ruby at the system level (for all users). It’s better to use RVM to install Ruby within your user environment.
ruby's current release is 2.3.0, fedora packages ruby 2.2.4, ubutnu's latest release packages ruby with 2.2.4, and the kicker is that windows only packages 2.2.4 otherwise you also have to compile 2.3.0 on windows
so you're literally complaining that you're having to compile ruby to get the latest version that isn't even available on windows without having the massive ballache of compiling ruby on windows, except you're also using an advanced fucking distro that's aimed for experienced users who are sticking the distro on a server that requires years of uptime
debian sid has ruby 2.2.4, either enable unstable debian repos to get ruby 2.2.4 without having to compile it or look up a fucking guide to install rails on debian, digitalocean and linode offer guides for most debian releases
in fact, debian stable's ANCIENT AS FUCK packages are probably the reason why you're having trouble in the first place
>WHY THE FUCK SHOULD I HAVE TO READ DOCUMENTATION, AND HOW THE FUCK WOULD READING DOCUMENTATION HELP ME WHEN I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THE GOD GOD PROGRAM INSTALLATION IS BREAKING?
and do you know why I told you to read the documentation? because you're clearly fucking clueless about the operating system you're using, and operating systems in general
>$PATH (litearlly no idea what that fucking command does)
do you not know what $PATH does? windows has it too, it's not a difficult concept for anyone with even minor programming experience to understand
>HOW IS ANY OF THIS A "BASIC UNDERSTANDING?"
it's a basic understanding relative to what you're doing which is compiling software to get the latest bleeding edge release which is not easy on any operating system and least of all windows, do you know why linux has a reputation for being easier to program on (excluding windows/microsoft specific c#.net/visual studio)? because doing it in windows where the developer doesn't provide proper build targets for an ide is a literal headache and hours of work
which is why it's fucking hilarious that you'd use ruby as an example because just a few short years ago you'd be shit out of luck for doing anything with rails on windows because of the sore state that ruby is and has been on windows and even today it's still not at the point where it is on linux
>installing software on linux is easy
>package managers are so much easier than downloading software manually!
>debian stable's ANCIENT AS FUCK packages are probably the reason why you're having trouble in the first place
give a hand for linux, ladies and gentlemen!
The thing is, Ubuntu does have a graphic frontend for apt - the Ubuntu software center. The only problem is that its a massive pile of shit, and normies wouldn't be able to add third party repos, either. If the software center could become play store tier good, and websites would have little buttons somewhere to add repos to it in one click, that would remove the biggest obstacle for normies.
Linux is not for the average user.
installation will go fine, first step will be fine, getting software and all, but here comes the troubleshooting. upgrades or new softwares will fuck shared libraries, it will become a clusterfuck.
the average user will get fucked when one day their single PC that runned ubuntu perfectly so far suddenly brings you a
>GRUB RESCUE shell on startup, a kernel panic, or the graphic driver won't load anymore because the devs did not test the forced new driver on that model of GPU, but wanted to force install it over the nVidia's by example.
There should be no problem with Linux, the people who pretend it's for everyone are this problem.
These people only measure their intelligence by their autism., but facing a problem, they are all on the same situation and cannot help. only make it worse.
Ubuntu is easy as shit to use. I can't even the people who have a problem.
That said, Linux is badly in need of a good video editor. No, nothing can replace Premiere which is the current king.
I have no idea why it's so hard to make a decent video editor in open source work when there's a million aborted video editing projects. Why haven't any of them gotten over the hump, I have no idea.
Just take the Apple approach. Only accept one codec. Have another program that just reencodes for inputs. I imagine that would simplify things. It's wouldn't be like Premiere, but if it didn't crash and just did the basics, that would be yuge. Even make a shitty intermediate codec like Apple Pro Res. Anything. Just make it work. Make it an h264 only editor. Add h265 support later.
FFmpeg isn't enough to build an editor on? Are companies secretly suing projects for their codec use? Is that why these projects stagnate and turn out shitty? I can't figure it out. Just make it work.
If there were just one open source video editing program that got improved and built upon year after year, it would be amazing, right? Why can't Cinelerra be this? I had always hoped but it's still pretty shit.
Jesus Christ, any more shitposting and we might actually compete with /int/ or /b/ for quality.
>be windows user
>spend my day making actual stuff with actual well know programs
>come home at the end of the day with a feeling of accomplishment
>roomate ask me to "come see this"
>roomate is proud of his linux desktop
>I tell him that's nice but he didn't "make it", just finally made it run
>He literally contemplates an OS but don't do shit with it but "upgrade" or "install" shit
>He rages and post winblows memes on /g/ and reddit
>I leave the place and go out to enjoy a beer with friends
>I come back home he is still shillinuxing
Linux is the OS fedora
I wanted to learn more about "computers" in general, so I switched to Ubuntu and torrented some Linux training materials. Spent a week learning to use the command line effectively, and several more studying the materials I downloaded. I can't really see any reason to switch back to Windows, I feel comfortable here and I haven't ran into any trouble finding linux software comparable to the applications I was using on Windows. Feelsgoodman
> 4 times as much as Windows
Ubuntu has a simple update manager (and it could even upgrade the system to a new version)
>update manager notifies you if there are any updates
>updates take no longer than 3 minutes
It is even hard for normies to fuck up with ubuntu or mint. Now go do something worthwhile with your life instead of making up stories to shill for an OS.
>inb4 linshill xDD
I have windows installed too for some programs
it's sad that anime fags put linux in such a bad light. It's these type of 'sekret klub' fags that aren't really that knowledgeable yet that kill the image of Linux.
One fat neckbeard wearing a "I love Linux" shirt does more damage to the communities outward image that a million Windows BSODs
Yup I did (through the roomate) and you don't get the point or can't read.
Once you have it running there is no mainstream software (Adobe, Autodesk) and no driver support. Like the roomate, it looks nice, you stare and it but when it's time to work (other than typing monkey code in a text editor) you are fucked. Yes it looks nice, yes you feel like you've done something once you have it running but it stops here. Be honest with yourself.
Not the earlier anon but i did
> Open software repo
> Install playonlinux
> Open and press nice install button
> Select windows only software I want to install and it basically does it for me
Other then higher end games, it werks
All I'm getting out of this is 'Only children have fun. ADULTS work soul-shriveling jobs from 9-5, five days a week, and then do ADULT THINGS on the weekend, like mowing the lawn and cleaning the house'.
If that's what your entire life consists of, you need to re-evaluate your life, and the steps you took to get to where you are.
>Use Linux for 95% of needs
>run Windows VM for shitty software that won't run on Linux
It's really not that hard. And the "lack of driver support" thing just isn't true. All of my hardware works out of the box with Ubuntu on every device I've tried so far.
>a bit changed version of "u mad xDD" autism
Resorting to memes and jokes when you have been disproven makes the situaton worse for you m8.
Reminder that the Halo 5 World Championship prize pool is at something like $2.1 million and growing.
First place gets 40% of that. Assuming it STAYS at $2.1 mil (it hasn't. That was as of Dec 3 last year, and people who pay real money into Halo 5 fund the prize pool), first place winners get $840,000. It's 4v4 gametypes, so split that between 4 team members, that's $210,000 each. Minus costs (I'd assume) of promoters, agents, and other bullshit, say $80,000, and that's still $130,000 each. For shooting pixels at other pixels on a screen.
>What's wrong with a VM running Windows?
Not everybody knows how to configure that shit with hardware passthrough, and without hardware passthrough, performance degrades heavily.
>What's wrong with a dual boot for when you need it?
Wastes time and at that point if I have to constantly shut down my computer and turn it back on, just two use one or two pieces of software and the two systems suit my purposes equally well otherwise, why the fuck should I waste time and effort using two systems when one can do the job of both?
It's for whatever you want to use it for. It's just a matter of whether or not you are lazy. Nothing wrong with being lazy. Capitalism wouldn't be what it is if everyone worked hard, instead of looking for the easy way out. Same with politics, religion and philosophy. Same with programming.
Great programmers are by nature extremely lazy, and always looking for the easiest way to do things. This puts them in a mindset that's conductive to innovation and ingenuity. Never underestimate the power of creativity and brilliance laziness can produce.
It's just that there are times in life where you do have to either put forth some effort, or else settle for the absolute shit life hands you. If you aren't willing to setup Linux to be the exact IS you want to use, then you are stuck with garbage like Windows, OSX and Ubuntu. If you are ok with that, then no problem.
I'm running Ubuntu x64 on my Acer Aspire 5560G laptop. It's an old piece of shit and runs like shit with Windows so I'm glad I got it working.
Anyways, my graphics driver/flash is really buggy on it. Whenever I'm in fullscreen in Firefox or Chromium, my screen flickers blue whenever anything is supposed to be drawn overtop, (eg a context menu, volume/brightness overhead display). I know that disabling accelerated hardware in Chromium works but it causes tearing on videos so it's kind of six of one half a dozen of the other. I'm using AMD's proprietary linux driver.
Also the screen registers as inactive even when fullscreen video is playing so it will dim the screen and lock after a certain length of time. Anyone else got this issue?
Installed Ubuntu on my parents computer.
They went out and bought a new one afterwards.
I didn't even delete the previous one (windows Vista), it would have booted into Vista by default
most shit you can do in current Photoshop was in GIMP long before it was in Photoshop...
I only use linux on my laptop right now and still us windows on my desktop. Are there any good CAD programs that run natively on Linux?
I pretty much stopped playing video games to focus on school and my career and don't see a reason to use windows other than software support.
>He thinks we are talking about addons
What he meant was instead of manually updating each software, a packaging manager on Linux will update all packages installed into the system via that package manager (which is what you should do anyway), automatically. So, instead, you are the one spending hours updating 'muh adoobii fotoshoop' and 'muh speccy'.
freecad is a farcry from solidworks
it's only an alternative for the most basic use-cases, like drawing single-part models for 3d printing or the like
i personally also use windows only for solidworks, via dualboot (if i need full graphics performance), or in a VM (if software-rendered graphics won't get in the way too much)
infact, i have it running at the moment in a VM
Linux is more than ready to the average user, the problem is that the "average user" is more dumb than anything else. People complains about everything, what's the point of MS word if the person just uses chrome? Saying that windows is easier because you have the software that you need is just another negative point. Try port photoshop to linux and Gimp to windows by yourself, linux (GNU in fact) environment is much more standard than anything else...