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DO DEVICES EVEN COME WITH THIS SLOT ANYMORE?
This is pretty fucking horrifying to be honest.
We have chips able to hold hundreds of gigabytes of data at a moments notice, giving our phones unbeknownst levels of data storage, and yet, people shit it away because "muh cloud" is so much better.
How long until local storage is phased out? Will future devices have enough storage for the ROM itself, and everything be cloud based?
Do these people not realize how fucking ripped off they're getting? Or do they just not care?
SD cards are slower and prone to read errors and corruption. Substantial on-board flash storage will always be preferred to SD cards.
There will always be a niche for the SD card, but since most things have about 32-64 GBs of built-in storage, along with nearly infinite cloud storage, the need for SD cards for most devices isn't there.
>have sd card in old optimist v from years ago.
It still. Fucking. Works. Never had a problem. What is this read error and corruption stuff? I used link2sd to basically add it to the onboard memory and it functioned fine.
How "fucking slow" is it that it can't be used for media storage like books and video? Are you one of those people that thinks you have to have an external ssd because external hdd is TOO SLOW LOL
Why the fuck do shills keep spewing this bullshit? I have used sd cards for years and never had a single one fail. And correct me if im wrong newer and top class cards are easily over 100mb/s
Flash storage is still super reliable, but corruption does happen, and it has happened to me actually.
I dropped my old Galaxy S3 once, and had a 32GB card in it. The phone itself was fine except for a chip on the corner. Then I booted and the SD card was corrupted, not only that, the SD card reader no longer functioned. This may not happen all the time to everyone, but it does happen. When has this ever happened to on-board storage? how do you knock that loose?
The more components you add, the more shit there is to break, simple.
64 GBs on-board > 32 GBs on-board + SD card slot
And we're not even accounting for read/write speeds and directory bullshit.
External HDD is too slow when you're dealing in 3TB of data. Takes fucking hours to copy it all at 150MB/s.
You're lucky if you break 30MB/s with MicroSD. I don't really feel like copying 200GB of data at that speed.
>'I've never had it happen to me, it has never happened to anyone else!"
It has happened to me on two devices, personally. Besides that, it is something that happens. Flash is pretty reliable, but it is still a peripheral component. It is more shit that can break.
still x6.5 slower than on-board storage
>he's never heard of a dumb terminal
Doesn't overcome the argument that
>the more components there are
>the more components there are to break
We need to focus more on cheaper, larger, on-board ROM storage, not just slap in a microSD card slot.
It's the manufacturers way of making us buy the next generation of shit. Room for more internal flash? Forget it. Micro SDs getting cheaper? Remove the slot. It took Apple 3 years longer than necessary to release 128GB model devices. And even now costs too much to be a realistic purchase for most.
The oldest rule of manufacturing. Don't make your product -exactly- what they want or they won't want the next one, or the first one might even outlive the cycle to the second one.
I just bought a Cowon Plenue D which has facility for up to 200GB micro SD XC cards so I should finally be able to escape the cycle. If the battery lasts.
>It's the manufacturers way of making us buy the next generation of shit.
>"EVERY ADVANCEMENT OF TECHNOLOGY IS JUST A WAY TO SELL US MORE SHIT"
>DELETE MY DROPBOX ACCOUNT
>OH SHIT GOTTA BUY A NEW PHONE
Storage doesn't prevent a phone from serving its function, outdated RAM and CPU does though.
Regardless, as we discussed earlier, more ROM is always, always better. The real advancement should be more ROM, made cheaper.
Why do people always want more and more and more components for the sake of it?
some people are unlucky enough that they have to travel a lot. cards with several hundred GB space come useful then. just torrent a few movies and enjoy your travel.
I know i'll never buy a device which doesn't have enough or at least a card to slot to increase that space.
i mean, i have an LG G4 and if they had given it 64GB onboard like v10, i'd have been content without having a card slot.
It is too slow for some things. I had a friend who put all apps on his sd because his phone had almost no internal memory, and it ran horribly till he moved them back, also large libraries of pics, music, videos take a while to index on slower sds. That being said im happy having a 64gb sd in my phone and it is fast enough for most tasks, but more demanding stuff goes on the internal storage which is 2x-6x faster.
My Raspberry Pi was left plugged in for a week or so while I waited for a new keyboard to be shipped (the left shift and enter keys were starting to become unresponsive), and I must've moved it somehow, because the power switch I threw together in a few minutes to control it shorted out. Tried to boot it up, but it was stuck on a black screen. Turns out the SD card fried. I had ordered that thing three weeks prior. And it wasn't a shit card or anything. Standard Class 10 16 GB Kingston card.
double ought dubs for truth
>meanwhile, based PSP
I bought this for a buck
Retards are everywhere.
Ladyfriend bough photoshop, wouldn't run on her laptop because of RAM requirements, bought a macbook and another license of photoshop.
Tits bigger than her head but unfortunately the latter contained just as much grey matter as the former.
Bought pic related for my Fiio X1.
It just werks.
I see your problem.
They buy up whatever parts are cheap, and slap their logo on them. The part was made by some random off-hours shift in some factory during slack time.
Plus, their logo gets used by counterfeiters often to dump REALLY low end crap.
>paid a kidney just for 512Mb MS pro duo
this is wy i'm not buying 128 GB card right now.
i literally just delete shit i don't need anymore, or move old files to my laptop or PC.
>tfw every drive is red
i should stop torrenting shit i don't even watch.
LG shills pls
As long as the battery is serviceable and you have an adequate amount of ROM, nobody cares.
large amounts of ROM >>>>> moderate amounts of ROM + SD card slot
largest possible battery that is still serviceable + large external battery >>>>> moderate size removable battery + a spare battery
LG G4 shill here, feels good.
Using a PNY card I believe, would have to dig up the Amazon order. I found crazy variations in speed when shopping for a micro sd. Do your research, check reviews for speed tests and buy what your comfy with.
G4 here as well, kinda jelly of v10.
i'm looking at samsung evo+ 128GB, but it's so fucking expensive right now.
it's a good thing i don't really need a card right fucking now.
may be i'll get a card this fall. i've decided to not get anything below 128GB
Why so big? Animu?
I take all pics at highest res, record video in UHD mode, got a fuck ton of albums and still got plenty of room.
I could only come close to filling the space I have if I still had my old project management job.
No. thankfully, i have my dignity intact. i'm not into gaymen either. NFS Most wanted 2005 was the last one i played.
>Why so big?
i've seen how digital space gets smaller with time. I'm not one for exchanging phones every year, i'd probably let my G4 die on my in 2020 or 21.
also, i'm a fag for torrented music. i listen to everything (almost) pre-2000. (i may be an old fag). i have been swapping my collection with flac for a few weeks now, so that septuples the file sizes. like i posted above, all my drives are red but thankfully my PC is is 2009 era and i think this is the time build a new one. come spring, i'll have a new build with nothing less than a 2TB drive which, i'll double next year or straight buy 8GB new drive.
People don't want to pay $50 for a 128gb micro SD card. Non-tech people get all their shit from the cloud.
>Stream music from the cloud.
>Watch movies from the cloud.
>Share pictures and videos via the cloud
Unless you're a data hoarder or content producer, local content has become obsolete.
Ya I tend to hang onto my phones for a long while, go through allot of cases and glass protectors but worth it when your phone looks brand spanking new a year in.
Don't fall for the flac meme man. I know it's tempting and appealing. I tell myself my Toyota Yaris speakers could not give a ever living fuck about quality, which is where I listen to a majority of my music.
>Sony wants eighty fucking dollars for a 32GB card
Yeah, nah, Fuck off. I was going to buy the Atelier games but I'm not paying that much for the privilege of having more than one installed at a time. I'll either hope my weeb games come to pc or buy one used after the generation is over.
>Don't fall for the flac meme
i usually torrent 320kbps.
thought flac is sort of future proof.
i won't lie, i really don't hear any difference between 320 and flac. may be because i don't have 1000$ headphones
>eighty fucking dollars for a 32GB card
the fuck? evo+ 128GB is somewhere around 75
USB c will make micro SD cards obsolete. It has much higher r/w speeds
That's the magic of proprietary form factors anon.
Actually, you're the one probably too young to post here.
ROM has never been a technically correct term, but when people talk about on-board storage, it is what we used to call ROM, as opposed to RAM.
Google it, ROM is correct.
jesus fuck how's your mammoth phone
That's not quite the point. I believe the original post was about why we have ~200GB MicroSD cards yet the storage in phones maxs out at 128GB.
You just can't compare the two storage mediums. You might get higher capacity out of a MicroSD but the phones flash storage is much faster.
>having a microSD adds no additional size to the phone
No. A real criticism would be that by focusing on cloud computing, there's less demand for small, fast, local storage, which means innovation and progress in that industry will ostensibly be slowed
First for LG being based and still including SD card slots and removable batteries
>literally just took the time to point that out three seperate times on a taiwanese comic book graphic board
I have wikipedia on my phone's 128 gig SD card oh and all of my music too.
So with the continuing trend of more GB to the mm, will we eventually get a mid size card with a fuck ton of space dedicated to a bigger, badder and therefore faster controller?
for a lot of phones, the volume could change, yes
>I can't make a point so I'll just state the obvious 3 times
Why hoard all of that shit on your phone? I have 64gbs on board and I download straight from what.cd all the time when I need to. Otherwise, I have a modified apk of Spotify that allows me to listen, ad-free, without shuffling, at the highest quality, without paying for a subscription whatever the fuck I want to, at any moment.
Why do you need laptop-tier storage capacity on a phone?
>anon with a 128gb sd card
>copying over his entire music library at ~20 mb/s
tip top fucking lel
Not everyone has highspeed unlimited Internet. Fucking yourself cityslicker. Not to mention the best things to download aren't available to stream. You might be a piece of shit who is satisfied by streaming shitty movies off netflix or popular music from spotify, but there are many of us with archives and shared content that falls by the wayside of sit and watch like a couch potato.
You are a form social cancer.
Not him, I have a 64 GB card for my phone. Data plans are trash around here (Verizon/AT&T only) so streaming isn't really an option. Not everyone lives in a city with a lot of options for providers.
Speaking of which, what music do you guys even listen to on the go?
when im alone it's almost all bleep
I have at&t and directtv so I have unlimited data. After 22gb they throttle it (they throttle all the time before that but whatever).
I won't buy anything that doesn't. Shit, the little fuckers are up to 512GB. If you go Samsung like I did you can get HDD performance out of them (yea, that wouldn't usually be bragging rights but emmc isn't an option in most cases).
95MB/s is HDD speed, more than enough for a mobile device.
Plus, they gave me a 200gb SD card and a second battery with a charger when I bought the V10. Seriously, what train wreck did you buy?
>You're lucky if you break 30MB/s with MicroSD. I don't really feel like copying 200GB of data at that speed.
Yea, you aren't supposed to.
It is for media storage. Through a bunch of TV shows and music on there and you always have them, even when you have no net access.
hell yeah both me and my wife got in on that deal...now we have 4 batteries and 2 200gb sd cards. And the included seperate spare battery chargers. Shit is quite nice honestly. And apparently these guys in this thread didnt even get an SD slot at all?
damn way to take it up the ass with no lube.
I don't even like hoarding shit in phones or tablets but I always want a card slot
But new phones do still have SD card slots.
I have my onboard storage and a microSD card inserted. Is my device special or something? Why would you buy a device with no slot if you wanted expandable storage?
What's the deal with Laptops which have SD card slots, but when you insert one it just stick out rather than fit in flush?
It just seems completely nonsensical to me
i love my z5 compact
first one i got fucked up though, restarted one day and couldn't get past "optimizing apps" stage, and heated the fuck up. nothing worked.
retailer replaced it ("fuck it, it's christmas") under warranty and i haven't had a problem since.
But why not just make it a full size slot instead? Doesn't seem like it'd be very difficult or hamper anything.
Got a 128GB Card myself, might not be essential but it's damn useful to have in all the time
>SD card (uhs3)
It looks ok on paper, but then you realise you're probably only going to get a fraction of those mobile data speeds if you live anywhere relatively busy, so the SD card ends up being tens, possibly hundreds of times faster in pretty much all cases.
I personally have this fear that all that is waiting for cloud to take over is a company that starts to give out displays with gsm/wifi capabilities for a subscription on their cloud services. If they are able to provide users with same or even better experience than having hardware locally then I dont see how cloud doesnt become the next thing
This is happening already in a business environment, thin-clients very small and compact has netcard, low powered CPU/GPU SOC and a O/S that connects to a Cloud Server (AKA a server running virtualization) that does all the intense shit or just Remotes into a Full Windows VPC on said server.
Yeah business environments have control on network capabilities. Internet capabilities have to drastically improve outside for cloud to become mainstream. Though I can see it starting a decade from now
sounds like you didn't check the sd card on a different device.
>have only internal storage because muuh beetttuuur
>gee helpsupport, how do i rescue files?
sd cards suck hurr durr
>it shorted out
>destructive things destroy things
wow gee, you learn something new every day, right?
>not having a full backup of your laptop on your phone
Exactly. I bought it cheap so I didn't have to worry too much about it being destroyed. Only thing that bugs me is having to wait for the new one to arrive. I bought three this time, because why not.
I did not know this. I usually don't pay much attention to the economics and industry of computers and electronics. I'm starting uni this fall for computer science. I don't get too down and dirty with the high-end parts and all that. My philosophy is that if you can do what you need done with it and it's not unreasonable slow, it's fine for now.
>plug card reader into OTG cable
>use whatever kind or quantity of memory you want
If you need more storage in your car or at home use a OTG cable and a external drive. 32gb internal is enough for doing everyday tasks. I got a bunch of FLAC files and I record a lot of 4k and I have yet to fill up my 32gb's.
Do you really need your entire korean cartoon collection for the 2 minute walk to Taco Bell?
>buying phones WITHOUT sd card slots
The more people do this, the more acceptable manufacturers think this is.
I tried a 6P and was very uncomfortable about how the battery pretty much can never be replaced without breaking the fucking thing.
>>tfw every drive is red
>i should stop torrenting shit i don't even watch.
No, you should take some time to watch it all and then delete stuff you'll never watch it again and/or move it all to a file server.
>hopefully the successor to the vita
"But its future — and even the future of handheld gaming at Sony — is less than assured. Just last month, Shuhei Yoshida, the worldwide studios chief for Sony Computer Entertainment, told a panel that "the climate is not healthy" for a PS Vita successor.Oct 29, 2015"
Got this to but with ramdisk instead of a ssd. A WD blue can easily get 150MB/s if the data isnt fragmented (reading) or there is continuous free space (writing). Jesus good HDDs arent like 6 year old HDDs
Except this isn't true at all.
>fuck it up on KitKat
>Herr derr now permanent problem on Android right
>what an API change
>what is Lollipop
>what is Marshmallow
>living in 2013
been using SD cards since my old Nokia feature phones, through my N73, to my Android devices.
NEVER EVER had an SD failure.
NOT ONCE. Not a single fucking time.
Your device, can also fail. Yes, the internal storage. The phone may also catch on fire, because some hardware issue.
There you go, wow, ban phones.
tl;dr: dumb reasoning
I agree. No second screen, and front LG logo is matte on the V10. Worldwide. I'm typing on one.
No because it's not profitable if you can just go from a 16gb device to a 100000GB device for $30 instead of $300, without even paying for cloud service or letting someone sell your data
Do you also think optical dead? Let me guess, you have a tape drive in your laptop or actually rely on other peoples servers, magnetic discs, and SSDs for backup?
More components = more shit that still works when one piece fails
>you have two RAM modules
>take it out
>buy a new one later
>you have soldered RAM
>one module fails
>buy a new computer
>you have two mass storage devices
>using a removable one for most of your data simplifies backup and reduces wear on the built-in one that should never ever even come close to failing
>if it dies, take it out, copy your backup to the new one, and put that one in
And then android gimps SD cards for the "security" of tech illiterates and you sell your phone on ebay because it can't run ubanto
I fucking hate this. My blood boils every time I see 32GB several times the price of a typical micro sd with the shittiest performance. It was destined to fail day zero. Fuck you Sony and fuck me for going all /v/ here.
I have an Kingston SD10V 64GB for a year and it still working without any problems. I've formated it more than 4 times and save 4chan shit directly on it.
Maybe I'm lucky, though.
This is wrong because it doesn't consider what I see as most important in regards to sd cards; security. Many accidents and mishaps can occur over which you have no control, such spillage, moist/hot weather, corrosion, etc. Sd cards can be retrieved after such events and the data it holds will be safe and sound. Replacing phones will also benefit from sd cards since you can transfer all your data, whether 32gb or 128gb, instantly. Also you can share your data with others, again instantaneously with the use of sd card readers/adapters, and it can function in many settings (radios, pc, laptop). Sd cards are sufficiently fast for storage i.e. storing music, videos, book, etc.
Consumers should have the choice. Manufacturers coerce users into moving to "faster, more efficient" storage systems when they can simply replace a card with a better/faster one. They also charge ridiculous prices for storage upgrades (e.g. an additional $100 for a mere 32gb, which would cost about $15 for an sd card, $100 which could be used to buy a 128gb sd card).
I am abstaining from buying the note 5 because of this. I'd probably get an LG phone with a stylus once they become good enough.
>some kid thought it was amazing that they could make 8gb flash drives
>pull out my 16gb memory stick from my psp
I had one of those and it was my baby, until I dropped a speaker on it, crushing the screen, insurance couldn't give me a new one so they gave me an S5, both good phones, but I still miss my sleek as fuck Z2. The AR camera app was fun
It is amazing they could make a 8gb flash drive!
I mean think about it. Some kid manages to compete with a global manufacturing infrastructure with years worth of development and billions of dollars by themselves and maintain interface abilities with standard consumer devices.
Even if they have rich highly educated parents backing them, it is still insane to think such a thing could be made. Even if it is half the size of what I can buy at the store, it is nothing to mock.
SD cards have
>limited write cycles
>an idle lifespan maximum of 10 years
>realistic lifespan of 5 years
>formatting errors everywhere
>slower read/write speeds
>heat causes corruption
SD cards are literal memes. They should only be used for moderate amounts of time, like 2-4 years.
>m-my sd card is fine
well lucky you, asshat
I can't believe /g/ arguing over such bullshit.
> pic related is /g/ in 2016
No shit a slower medium of data transfer is going to slow your device down
Also the new load of reading and writing cache to a slower storage device .
The trade off for god tier storage with a lag when handling that storage is way better than not having it .
>apple shills suck cock
Google has already shit on external SD cards. I used to carry around 16gb on one of those cards, but when I upgraded there was only a slot for internal. I wasn't using that data 90% the time (mostly projects, papers, large receipts and resumes) so it was nice to have it in an easily stored digital format.
Using a sandisk in my phone, its been through more abuse than your mother.
Works just fine, it isnt 2011 anymore
you can't be serious. I have nothing but slow, cheap class 4 micro SD cards in everything except my halfway "decent" bridge camera. The class 4's in my phones are fine, so I can only speculate that I'd barely notice a difference between those and a class 10.
>Contrary to conventional wisdom, we find evidence that storage is a significant contributor to application perfor mance on mobile devices
>Surprisingly, we find that even for an interactive application such as web browsing, storage can affect the performance in non-trivial ways; for I/O intensive applications, the effects can get much more pronounced.
I mean yes
but still, it's proven fact that microSD, while also a cheap way to add memory, is slow and infinitely inferior to on-board storage.
It is a useless outdated form of tech...no one was dumb enough to fight this hard for the a: to remain on there computer...you are holding back product advancement with your bullshit nostalgia.... use the cloud and shut up or go back to a shitty flip phone that was cdma and only accessed .Wap Web pages... burn in Hell you discussing wast of human flesh...