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Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/ (e.g. Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).
If you're looking for purchase advice, READ THE BUYERS GUIDE FIRST. Then post, stating budget and requirements (e.g. size and performance).
Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W/P SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™
T420 - 14", normal size
X220 - 12.5", lightweight
Why ThinkPad? (also applies to other business laptops)
>They’re really cheap when you buy a used one.
>Keyboards feel excellent while typing (yes, even the newer ones).
>Great durability thanks to the inclusion of rollcages and use of glass fiber reinforced plastic for the chassis. The keyboard is splash proof and spilled liquids will drain out.
>Utilitarian design - e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models.
>Docking solutions that easily turns your laptop into a desktop.
>Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for almost every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain.
>The best trackpoint (that red thing on the middle of the keyboard). Great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad.
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support.
Used ThinkPad Buyers Guide:
EPP discount for new ThinkPads (USA & Canada only, usually 15%+ off):
ThinkWiki - Info on ThinkPads and running GNU/Linux on them:
ThinkPad service guides w/ tutorial videos:
Is there any finger condom that can trick a wacom stylus only Thinkpad into thinking you're using the pen?
I don't want to use the pen everything I need to flip a page when reading in tablet mode
If you're DIY-ing, just make them fit. Personally I'd just make square ones and crazy-glue them on the keyboard bezel in the right place; cut them out of the sole of a pair of old sneakers with a utility knife - that seems like the right rubber consistency. Maybe somebody can snap a picture of theirs if you want to try making detailed replicas.
Looks like the new thread started just as I posted. Reposting my question.
Some guy is selling a W520 for 150 euro because "the bios has become corrupt" and "since activating numlock during boot the device has become stuck in an endless boot loop". He says it's fixable but he can't be arsed himself since he got a new laptop from his work anyway.
Can this be easily fixed and is it a good deal?
Are you using the x220t? If so you got the different screen that doesn't recognize touch.
My x220T recognizes touch and pen input when I use my stylus and when I put it away it recognizes touch. I read my manga this way.
I'm retarded. I can't believe this didn't come to me sooner. I can map one of the tablet buttons to do page flips on the application I use to read.
>Well if the digitizer is wacom only and not a resistive panel
I see. Makes sense. Thanks
That's a nice feature
My T420 stock 320GB HD died. I has a sad. Pic related.
I purchased an X60 a little over a week ago, and it came in the mail a few days ago. I paid $113 for it, including shipping and taxes.
When I got it I installed Libreboot, and I'm running Debian w/ Xfce. Pic related is my desktop. I'm not a freetard by any means, I just happen to like Debian and I wanted to install Libreboot.
I did the FHD mod on the T420s tonight.
I bought the laptop for this mod, but I installed this it to get off the foreign language windows install and back to something familiar.
The instructions supplied were pretty shitty, my gf speaks Chinese and even she thought the captions on pictures online were mostly unhelpful.
Even so, I won't pretend it's the most difficult mod, finding a decent panel is the hardest part, so if you're interested get one while you can.
install more RAM, SSD, IPS screen, and a linux distro of your choice
I know Crunchbang was all about the community, but it's slowly dying. Now they're seriously trying to revive it? How are they still trying to grab attention?
And what's wrong with being part of the Debian community in general? I know they've had to deal with some shit recently, but honestly, I think they are part of the best Linux community out there next to Gentoo or Arch, and Linux Mint. Most Ubuntu users are genuanely retarded, but... You know. There's people on IRC or Linux Forums who can also be okay to chat with too, I guess.
Nobody has to use a fork of a distro that will probably just go away again...
for more: http://www.simonstalenhag.se/
Just bought a t420 after shopping around on Ebay for bit. I'm pretty much going to be using it to teach myself how to use linux systems and coding.
I'm honestly shocked how cheap it was for the specs it has.
I probably will once I have more cash to spend. I also might upgrade the ram, but I'm not even sure if it's necessary.
Also is it worth getting a dock? It's mostly going to sit on my desk next to my desktop.
I still find it funny that people still use scrot.
It used to be cheaper, but then some tsunami went and wrecked the third-world shithole where everybody makes RAM and prices shot up. $40 for 8GB is about as low as I've seen it since then. It's not likely to get cheaper either, since DDR4 is here now. Stockpile while you can before the prices start climbing up towards where DDR2 is now.
sorta /tp/ cause it's a business machine but
what PPC OS should I load onto my 20 dollar 550 mhz Powerbook G4 with 1 GB RAM? I was looking at MORPHOS but they want yuro bucks for a license. Just want to use it as a browsing/chinese comic machine.
Recently copped this X220 for 300€, in amazing condition, with i7, IPS screen, 128GB SSD and 9-cell battery. Came with 4 gigs of ram, and I already ordered another 4GB stick.
This is probably my favorite laptop I've had, just wanted to brag about my recent tech purchase.
Alcohol is a no-no for the screen. I use it occasionally and sparingly on the palmrest and lid.
I've always just used a little water and an old t-shirt but I may have to try vinegar. It's still mild enough not to hurt it and may do a better job.
iTunes cuz of iPhone
What's wrong with streaming services, and Spotify and AM are the only ones available where i'm at.
Chrome is a bit of an AIDS, but I dislike FF,and other meme browsers doesn't have extensions i need/am used to.
tfw archey will never be updated and you have to fix RAM stats yourself so they're not negative numbers
tfw #!++ devs don't know (neither do I, tbf) how to put in their own Distributor ID and you bullshit in your distro logo
looking for an expresscard function for my x230. Considering either a ATSC tuner (there's one model that appears to have decent Linux support) or a USB 3.0 card.
I know a lot of you x220/x230 folks use USB3 cards and there are a million of them out there. Any particular brands you know for sure work with linux? 2 port models seem common, but there's a 3-port model I'm looking at now:
I have a T450s and it's great for portable work. If it's going to be your only computer for a couple of years, I'd rather get the T460p or something, for that extra processing power. Or something else entirely, because those are quite expensive and I'm not so sure that the price is warranted.
So I just pulled the trigger on an X200s with 3GB RAM, legit windows 7, and a core2duo L9300 for 110 europoors. Going to my parents (reason why I was looking for one with Win7).
Crazy how it cheaper to get the machines from the UK (instead of buying it in Holland where I live).
Was really lucky on my own X230 though.
Bought a T420 this week.
T420 i7-2640M/8GB/320GB/DVDRW/14"HD+/W7P CMAR WLAN/BT/CAM/NVIDIA NVS
I've put in my 256gb ssd, and bought a dockingstation. Works pretty good.
I have thinkpad x200 and want to swap mainboard to x200s or x201, what does /g/ recommend ? It is my secondary portable laptop to carry around all the time. Battery time and durability are my most needs.
Looking to get a new laptop for Uni, I am selling my desktop in order to finance this laptop, It needs to be powerful enough to run two extra monitors, one at 3440x1440 and one a 1080p, I would like to have 15+ hours battery life and a decent processor as programming and compiling is becoming more and more frequent.
I do not need decent graphics, as gaming will mean an external GPU, it also needs to be able to dock, I was thinking a x250, or a W550s. any other recommendations, the better tha battery life and as long as its usable on its own screen the better. Just need the capabilities specified above.
You can switch the mb of 200 and 201 or 200 and 201s. So if you have x200 and need little extra processing power, go for x201 MB. But unless you get a good deal, buying an x201 would be cheaper than just the mb
I joined the Thinkpad master race! Not off to a great start because I ordered a T420 with 1600x900 screen and they sent me a 1366x768. Putting that to one side for a minute I have a couple of questions, can someone advise me on:
I want to do a clean install of Windows, shouldnt there be a sticker with the product key somewhere?
Also its idling at 50c, does that sound right or will I need to reapply thermal paste?
Damn this is a nice keyboard!
>I want to do a clean install of Windows, shouldnt there be a sticker with the product key somewhere?
behind the battery
>Also its idling at 50c, does that sound right or will I need to reapply thermal paste?
id compress air it first
What is the most powerful Thinkpad for gaming that absolutely falls under a T, an X or a W/P model?
I'm trying to convince my friend to not get a Y and instead get the Real ThinkPad Experience™
Thanks dude, Ill check out behind the battery.
Anything else someone should do with a new (used) Thinkpad? Ive checked the Bios are unlocked. Is it a particular type of SSD I need to buy to use as the primary drive?
Display: Shit TN pannel
Processor: inteli 5-4200M
RAM: 2x 4GB Samsung
Storage: 256GB My digital(they use toshiba chips) SSD, 500GB hdd
Here is what I am planning on upgrading:
- 1080P IPS
-swap the disk drive for an ultrabay battery
-network card w/ duel bamd and AC support.
Also, anyone have any experience with any of these accessories?
-90w car charger
>Not off to a great start because I ordered a T420
Getting the one model with a less than subpar screen regardless of resolution was your first mistake.
>I want to do a clean install of Windows, shouldnt there be a sticker with the product key somewhere?
Check under the battery.
>Also its idling at 50c, does that sound right or will I need to reapply thermal paste?
Thinking your idle temperatures matter is your second mistake. Stress test that thing, then come back and complain when it reaches 100C.
>Getting the one model with a less than subpar screen regardless of resolution was your first mistake.
Not that guy, but fuck I'm glad I read this before my order shipped. It's never mentioned in the buyer guide that the screen is shitty.
That's because people want to like their fancy new computers so much that everyone who fell for the T420 meme just looks past the fact that even its 1600x900 screen has a contrast ratio of... ~150:1. Yep.
Anyone who has looked at T420 and T520's 1600x900 models side by side will tell you that the T420's screen is only good for throwing in the trash. This goes for just about any model compared to the T420 as well, but T520 is the one that can be most directly compared to it.
Well I suppose it's my fault for taking the buyer guide at face value and not doing my own research as well. Well I got my money back from ebay now so I guess I'll shop around a bit more. Maybe look into the x series instead.
For me it's useful, because I still have a bigger screen and mouse and keyboard.
Plus my docking has 6x usb on the back and dvi, where I connect my monitor too.
This is my setup >>52844698
X series is a good choice if you want a lightweight machine, though you have to deal with low resolutions on the older models. IPS panels are at least available there though, so you get a good screen apart from that.
If you want a normal sized laptop, grab one of the 15.6" models. At this size, the T series get the same screens as their equivalent W series, which are quite good. Depending on the generation, IPS may not be available at all, but the TN panels here are more along the lines of what you would expect from a decent TN monitor, with the 1920x1080 option specifically being close to IPS quality.
It's nice, this is my setup at this :work: thing: >>52842582
Makes it less inconvenient to hook my laptop up to the monitor, keyboard, charger, and LAN when I get there, and less inconvenient to remove it when I leave.
>viewing angles are everything
>assuming you're viewing your screen at a perfect 90% angle it's all good
>what the fuck is decent colour reproduction
You can't see it but there are venting holes in the side, who got to the back, to let the hot air out. So it's not fulle blocked.
It was pretty expensive for what I've seen here. €400
But I bought from a supplier we do business with at our company. And they deliver good stuff. And they gave me 1 year warranty.
So what's my best best for around $400? Was looking at T series since it's replacing the desktop in my bedroom that I sold recently.
T440 seems nice, but are the keyboards sill good? They look way different from the older models.
So my motherboard and cpu shoot to 95 ish degrees once the FPU test starts. CPU throttling kicks in runns between 12 to 30% with occasional spikes to 50%. From googling around I can tell this is bad and my CPU is over-heating.
Would a more experienced user accept this performance in stress tests and try to fix it eg by reapplying thermal paste, or give up and return it for a refund? Should a used thinkpad be expected to perform well in a CPU stress test?
>ssh into laptop on the other side of the room
>rsync blah.png desktop;~/
it's nice for getting screenshots of computers I'm not in front of
ThinkPads aren't really for gaming. They come with workstation GPUs instead of consumer GPUs. Also, I wouldn't really get a laptop for gaming in general. My T420 with nvs 4200m runs modded minecraft fairly well but if gaming was my #1 concern I don't know if I'd buy a ThinkPad.
If he doesn't need portability you could always go for an eGPU setup.
Removed my platter HDD and installed an mSATA. I don't need the extra storage from the full HDD bay, I just use my thinkpad at school for notes and occasionally wasting time. Anything fun I can do with the HDD bay or the expansion port?
my t420's keyboard looks like shit
i guess replacing a bunch of scratched and ugly buttons is not an option
i'm thinking about printing stickers but im not sure if they will wear off or not
any recommendations regarding the material?
or maybe there something else that i can do?
Can anyone with an x220 tablet tell me what kind of screw holds down the pen sensor switch? I bought one off of eBay that turned out to be scrapped for parts, and its missing various screws and such.
The hardware manual says its an "M1.6 x 3 + 4.2A", and between the 1.6 and the 4.2A, I'm not sure what screw that ends up being.
Also, is there some cover over the switch, or is it simply bare? I can't seem to find a FRU for it in the manual.
not really, you can get an expresscard to USB 3.0 adapter but it won't run at full USB 3.0 speeds, also they can be kinda buggy, I have one but never use it. My HDD bay is also empty because mSATA SSD.
new ones yeah
Ugh, the guy sent missing multiple parts, that being one of them.
Should I bother keeping it or return the whole thing and buy one in better condition?
I got this one for about $202
I may be able to snag a Thinkpad for free that is said to be broken.
As soon as it turns on there seems to be a "flash" and nothing else.
What could that be, and would it be useful for spare parts?
try it with an external monitor? if there's 2 sticks of ram try each one on their own
if there's a battery try it without it
if there's a hard drive try removing it
remove everything that isn't required to see the boot menu
I'd do that but the person giving it away seems to be technically challenged so I don't want to drive and waste my time for a completely broken TP.
But some research hints at a problem that can be solved by replacing the CMOS battery, so that would be a steal.
I'm sure some of you may know this, but if you bought a Thinkpad second hand and the trackpad is all worn, it is just a sticker and it can be removed and replaced.
I had just discovered this so I thought I'd share.
well vanilla W10 is under 12gb, most Linux are under 6gb
I would say go for 120gb for general usage, anime, movies, pictures, music, software, backups, etc whatever, 120gb is plenty
I recently bought a t420 at a very good price and have since upgraded the RAM and installed an SSD for fast booting.
I have been looking into getting a 9-cell battery and a docking station for it.
Is it worth it to drop more money for a genuine 9-cell or will any Chinese battery do the trick?
I've noticed that most people selling docking station making it clear that the dock has no keys. Is this a dealbreaker?
I just want it to be faster in boot up times and loading programs, I don't see why I would need to put anime in an ssd , sounds like a waste of space for what? Loading my anime 1 second faster?
>I've noticed that most people selling docking station making it clear that the dock has no keys. Is this a dealbreaker?
It depends if you want the docking station to secure your laptop so Tyrone can't run off with it.
The keys aren't required for the dock to function, they're just there so you can put something like a Kensington lock on the dock, and then lock your laptop into the dock.
chinese batteries can be hit and miss, but generally you could buy 3 for the price of 1 genuine...
also you can check if your battery is up for recall, which means Lenovo will send you a free good one
The docks have a lock on them and key to go with it. If it is locked and the key is missing, then it is unusable. If it's unlocked then it's forever unlocked because you have no key to lock it.
Depending on the SSD, HDD's are typically more power hungry and they are also noisy and cause vibrations. This is why I don't have an HDD in my laptop anymore and will never have on in my laptop (ideally) again.
I wouldn't buy anything smaller than a 64GB. You could get by with that if you don't have large storage needs and don't need to install a lot of big programs. You want to leave a little breathing room for swap/hibernation space too. The price difference between that and a 120GB is probably not going to be much though.
I was the same as you, but see if there is a video of how to replace a part and they usually have a video step by step. That's how I applied paste on the cpu of my X220. Don't worry about it anon, you can do it.
Any BIOS optimisations worth doing in a x220? Thinking of disabling legacy BIOS support as I'll use gpt, already made sure ahci is on. Disabled the fingerprint scanner and Bluetooth. Disabled computrace and AT. Anything else? I have the advanced menu by the way.
The T420 is one of the easier Thinkpads to repaste. It's certainly nowhere near as bad as X series repasting where you typically have to disassemble the entire machine. Get the Hardware Maintenance Manual off Lenovo's site, follow it to the letter, and go slow and you'll do just fine.
I got a refurbished T420 about a week ago. It's pretty nice. I installed Linux Mint on it, and am trying to get used to linux and the command line. So far so good. I appreciate how many resources are out there for ubuntu/linux mint and it's a lot easier than I anticipated.
That being said, my battery life is shit, like 2-3 hours. Is that normal? Coming from my Surface Pro 3, it's too short, and it dies during class a lot of the time. How are those 9-cell batteries on Amazon? Or do you guys have any recommendations?
Should I go for a Lenovo branded one, or can I get a generic one? I've read that some thinkpads will flat out reject non-lenovo batteries.
check the actual condition of the battery first, there's several linux battery tools that show this
T420 with 9-cell in good condition and moderate power settings can get 9 hours of battery life.
It may just be your power settings, because linux. Would recommend trying Windows 7 + Lenovo's Power Manager too.
and see >>52854584
Well, I'll give it a go.is it easy to mess it up and destroy the thinkpad? Any tips,tricks or standard precautions? Looking at a YouTube video, taking the keyboard off looks like the fiddliest bit
We need a technological Hitler to save us from this anthropomorphism of fucking OSs, never mind all its damn spying. Microsoft should be gassed.
Intel, reliable and fast, but expensive. Crucial is more budget friendly, also reliable. Samsung has best all around and most popular. They all have good warranties.
Kingstons are supposed to be good too but were sketchy in the past, also have good warranty.
is the e460 really that much worse than the t450 series? can get one with ips FHD and upgrade ram and ssd for less than 900 AUD, whereas getting a t450/s would cost roughly twice as much
So, x220 vs x220 touch
What are the differences between the two? I mostly want the x220 for its battery life, but a tablet feature would be pretty interesting as well. That said, I don't know how useful it would be without Windows.
Is there anything the x220 has that the x220 touch doesn't?
non-tablet is smaller and a little lighter and it can get the 9-cell battery. X220t can only get 6-cell battery.
Depends on the CPU, look it up on Intel's site. I believe the max for most of them is 1333 MHz, it can take faster and it will just automatically underclock it.
RAM speeds make 0 difference to anything.
60 gigs is only good enough for just windows and a few programs.
120 is enough for light users, but I still wouldn't want to be limited to that
imo save up $20 more and get a 250 gig drive
yes but slice batteries are not very good, wouldn't recommend. And X220t's are already kinda fat and far from being any kind of tablet replacement.
Well the max resolution for the graphics over DP is 1440p, and the DVI port on the docks only single-link and only capable of 1080p.
I've used a DP to HDMI on 1080p monitor and it worked fine with 60hz and transferred sound.
I don't have my DP to HDMI cable at the same residency as my 1440p monitor or else I would test it. I would give it 50% chance of working at 1440p 60hz.
I've been using a Thinkpad for about a year now and I'm loving the little sucker (ThinkPad Yoga i5 4200U 8GB 500GB+16 SSD). I've been using it to do my drawings and it works really well. This was the forth touchscreen laptop I've had (others being HP and acer) and this Thinkpad has been a fucking champion.
What other Thinkpads have a pressure sensitive stylus input?
Just put a new hard drive into my t400 and the thing refuses to turn on, it'll have the indicator lights showing that the charger and battery work, but then the moment the power button is pressed everything goes dark, it'll even start without the hard drive in, I'm at my wits end here.
Not at all, I've tried three separate hard drives in there, it's odd because for some strange reason I can rarely get it to power on with the hard drives plugged in, but they don't get detected at all.
I just picked up a brand new Lenovo Thinkpad (without the hard drive) from Savers, a local thrift store for $50.00. I put a hard drive in it and it works beautifully! It is very nice. The charger has a higher then normal output which I am trying to find now. I think i lucked out.
Got my X220 a few weeks ago, running xubuntu. So far I'm really pleased, I've encountered only a small problem: I get video tearing in browsers by disabling display compositing. By enabling it, everything works fine but the fullscreen applications (emulators and such). Do I have to manually enable/disable it every time to make things work or is there a general solution to this problem? I got intel integrated graphics by the way.
Thinkers and padders, I need a small kawaii sized thinkpad for adobe bridge, lightroom, and checking gamuts in photoshop. That means I don't need any high end specs, and can probably even live with 2GB ram, and a slowish dual core processor. My options locally right now are an x200 with just the battery and charger, with a 150GB HDD, 2,4Ghz dual core, and 4GB of RAM. Other choice is an x61s with a bunch of batteries at 94% capacity, including a slice battery. Test showed that one to hold a charge for hours with slice and regular battery installed. x61s has 1.6Ghz dual core, with an 80Gb SSD and 4Gb of RAM, and in pretty much new condition as far as the keyboard goes. Are there any significant differences in size, or power draw? I'd prefer my workpad to hold a charge for a few hours at a time. And as stated, don't need it for gaming, or any nonsense. Just emptying my camera after a field trip. 1.6Ghz should be just barely enough to run photoshop, and obviously I won't be doing any processor intensive filtering or any stuff like that. I only use PS for checking colors and gamut warnings. Other than that it's just lightroom and bridge. They're similarly priced, with the package for x61s costing a little bit more, but the x200 has an old battery that can't hold a charge more than two hours, so I might need to get new ones for that. Pic related, not pictured are the extra batteries that come with the x61s
Does this middle click trackpoint button stick for anyone else?
Like when scrolling, it often sticks and I'll have to click it to exit the scrolling mode with the trackpoint.
T450s in GNOME, by the way. Is this a Linux thing?
>cats stole multiple keys from old t400
>upgrade to x220 tablet
So this actually makes gnome worth it. Is there a better hybrid touchscreen/desktop DE? I plan to dock it and use it as a low power desktop replacement when I don't need to game or do something graphics intensive.
x230 is the only usable ThinkPad. Prove me wrong
>Ivy Bridge powered, so it doesn't overheat
>2133MHz memory support
>HD4000 instead of the shitty HD3000 GPU
>perfect dimensions, it's much more portable and mobile than 14,1" laptops
>9cell+9cell options, 25hours of battery life
>works without any bugs and problems with any eGPU
Honestly, I got a T43 for about the same. although I got 5 hard drives with it. Depends on your country, here ThinkPads are very expensive, even old models hold their value well. I've been satisfied with the T43 as a shitbox, the keyboard is to die for. If you're looking for a Linux box with the most solid keyboard feel, I'd say go for it, although my T43 has trouble running Win7 smoothly.
>Most Ubuntu users are genuanely retarded
Inb4 X220 Cucklets start screaming WAHHHH KEYBARD
The keyboard physically feels so much better, and the only downside is the layout (which isn't even that big of a downside)
It's easily swapped for the x220 kbd and I don't miss the non-functioning keys.
My x230 came with a backlit keyboard that was missing a couple of keys. I ordered replacements and they should be here soon. A cursory pecking at the keys tells me I'll be swapping back to the classic, but I'm going to give the new keyboard a shot.
Considering a t420, should I hold out for the 1600x900 display even if its 50-60$ more expensive? Considering getting it from Craigslist, what kind of questions should i ask?