Do these even work? How different are they to coffee or adderall? I prefer coffee nowadays even though I have a ton of adderalls left over.. I just hate the way I feel and feel like I don't do any actual work on them and just feel really really good, like everything is gonna be okay.
>>52680350 Coffee gives you jitters and shits, then you crash. L-Theanine and Caffeine are a popular combo that won't give you any of that, basically a concentrated version of the effects Green Tea has on your brain.
I really like Piracetam + Alpha-GPC myself, I haven't had another combo work for me that well.
Nootropics are cheap and legal if you're ever interested in trying them.
Every single Nootropic beside amp and caffeine literally do fucking nothing.
Just stick to caffeine and call it a day. amp is very addictive and causes damage to your heart, mental health, and actually reduces cognitive function and causes memory problems in the long-term.
I know because I used to do heroin with a few high school friends in abandoned buildings. One of them found a steady supply of amp and one day just stopped coming to our get togethers. Turns out he died from an smp overdose and his heart failed. The weird part was a glock and a bunch of loaded magazines. None of us know how the fuck he got access to that firearm or who he was after but he sure as hell wanted to go balls out if he took so much amp. He wasn't like this before he started using amp, he was a pretty chill guy who kept to himself in school and had good grades.
Anyway, just get enough sleep and stop eating fucking garbage.
I've been taking various nootropics for well over a year. The effects of each compound are different on everyone. But they do fucking work. Anyone saying otherwise is a just a tryhard who is into being all natural, or has taken so much adderall that they are trying to find a non-prescribed alternative. That's not the point of nootropics. Now for those interested, I'd recommend that you spend at least $40 initially on different samples sizes before you go and drop $30 on a single tub of a compound that you don't get any affects from.
My personal stack for getting shit done: DMAE Vitamin D3 Piracetam Noopept Bacopa Mon. Caffeine + L-Theanine
I re-up on Caffeine + L-Theanine and Piracetam twice a day.
My stack for feeling good: Tianeptine Sulfate L-Theanine Phenibut HCL Ashwaganda
>>52680696 Recreational doses of amp will fuck you up. Clinical doses of Adderall of Vyvanse should be fine long term.
>>52680782 I don't know if there's a trend, but a lot of people have reported that microdosed LSD works wonders. Problem is that you build up a tolerance to it very quickly so it's not practical to do it for any extended period of time.
>>52680868 >Clinical doses of Adderall of Vyvanse should be fine long term. Indeed but people in this thread want superpowers not treat a mental illness. They are going to eventually up the dosage as their tolerance grows.
You won't come close to how you feel on Caffeine with much else besides other stimulants because caffeine is a stimulants. And all stimulants have a tolerance build up.
If you're really looking to feel less of the effects of being "addicted" to caffeine, I'd recommend you combo it with 150 mg of L-Theanine every time you have a cup of coffee or take a caffeine pill.
In terms of building focus or concentrating, most people recommend and I recommend you try out some 'racetams. Specifically try Piracetam first. With racetams there isn't a build up or period of having to take it before you feel effects. You should notice it the first couple times you take it. Most racetams come in powder form and have a short half-life, so you usually retake them multiple times a day. In my experience, there is no tolerance.
>>52682159 He never said that you dense fuck, his friend died from an AMP overdose. AMP can literally improve mental performance at the cost of long term side effects so it's mostly shunned by the nootropic community.
Which is really weird because it's the only drug that actually fucking works at all for improved mental performance.
>>52680805 >DMAE "Centrophenoxine is to DMAE like Alpha-GPC is to Choline." http://examine.com/supplements/centrophenoxine/
Taking it easy now on bacopa extract + ashwagandha and caffeine. I find theanine to be pretty wasteful in price/effectiveness as a supplement. If you're sensitive to anxiety, then look into learning how to breathe. Just a simple process of raising pH levels of the blood.
Nootropics makes me forget to fap for days. Less distraction, less moody, more productive, content for having a clearer understanding of things. Real helpful for those who need to get organizized. But no drug is going to miraculously make your life any better, it's what YOU decide to do during your time using them.
>>52684625 You are right, I just try to put the powder on the back of my tongue and wash it down quick. >>52681042 Noopept is very hit or miss, as the other anon said, it is one where you will feel like you wasted your money if you don't get a sample pack first. >>52682422 Good advice anon. Didn't read about that. Thanks. >>52681681 Modafinal is prescription in the US. All of these other nootropics are not prescription.
>>52680696 >amp is very addictive and causes damage to your heart, mental health, and actually reduces cognitive function and causes memory problems in the long-term. Bullshit. Taken at therapeutic doses it is quite safe. Your friend was probably taking ~100mg at once. Since he OD'd, he might have taken over 200mg at once. Most people take 20mg to 40mg extended release. That is a much smaller dose over a longer time.
Never heard of nootropics before this thread. Looks interesting, and I know I'll be checking out >>52685522 soon enough. I've got so many classes where I have to basically teach myself because the professor does fuck all in the lectures. Problem is (like I'm sure some/most of you have had here) that I can't seem to concentrate while reading. That and I have a severe motivation problem.
It's pretty reassuring to find out that coffee isn't my only option now.
>>52685608 If concentration and motivation are the problem, get yourself some Adderall. Most nootropics have dubious efficacy, but EVERYONE agrees that Adderall works wonders for focus and motivation. When I'm on it, I feel superhumanly focused, motivated, and organized.
It is very easy to find on college campuses and not all that hard to get from a doctor. If this is going to be a long-term solution, I would definitely talk to a doctor rather than getting it illegally.
It also reduces appetite, so if you have weight problems (like many people on 4chan do) it can help with that.
>>52685737 >Most nootropics have dubious efficacy, but EVERYONE agrees that Adderall works wonders for focus and motivation. Kind of. Everyone agrees it is powerful, but it doesn't help everyone work effectively. Some people find themselves spinning their wheels doing useless work, e.g. cleaning their room when they should be writing a paper. You may very well find yourself manic rather than determined.
Basically, it's super-coffee. It can have the same exact benefits to focus and energy, but can result in the same jitters, racing thoughts, and irritability. It's DEFINITELY not a placebo, but not everyone find it useful.
But don't let that discourage you. For motivation and concentration, it is definitely the first thing you should try.
However, Adrafinil is legal to buy online in the U.S. and basically the same thing. It takes longer to get into your system and presents a higher load on your liver. No worse then Tylenol, but don't overdose it!
I also wouldn't take it more then two days in a row, less because of your liver and more because you body needs sleep and if you keep short circuiting that signal you will fuck yourself up.
If you're tired Adrafinil works. I only use it when I absolutely need it, but it does help you push through the day when you're exhausted from not enough sleep. You'll still feel tired, but not nearly as much, and you can focus.
There's a lot of research on piracetam, phenylpiracetam, and some of the variations like aniracetam.
Unfortunately most of it involves impaired subjects. Just because it helps someone with dementia does not mean it will help a healthy adult.
That said, the research that exists for healthy adults does look interesting. I would say it's a sure bet that piracetam / phenylpiracetam have some antidepressant and anti-anxiety effects when dosed correctly.
>>52685855 i feel you there, but theres also the people who enjoy being sped the fuck up.
I self medicate with it (too paranoid to see a psych), 15mg twice a week.
I have to take the shit after i start working, fuck me i cant take the shit when i wake up or else yea i'm cleaning the house and suddenly late to work.
BUT the big thing is i hate the feeling, i just enjoy the sensation from the amount of work i get done those days, like i cannot stand being hyped up on adderal, as soon as my work is done, i smoke as much weed as i can to come the fuck down.
But i know some people who LOVE the feeling, and will just space out and play video games and wouldn't even considering using it to do work.
Everyone handles every drug a little differently.
I also drink like a 6pack of Dr Pepper every day so caffeine has literally no effect of me anymore.Yet i only weight 150, even with all the junk i fucking shovel into my mouth.
>>52685608 A lot of people are saying Adderall, but it can be hard to come by, and can potentially mess you up long term. I reccomend phenylpiracetam, easy to buy relatively cheaply online, most places in the world. It basically makes focusing on interesting things easier. Working on something while on it feels so much better. It's non-addictive, and it has a huge drop off in effectiveness if you take it consecutively, so it's as safe as can be really. You really need a scale to measure dosages though, if you don't have a milligram scale you open yourself up to a world of uncomfortable and potentially dangerous mistakes. Try 100-150mg doses of phenylpiracetam to start with, depending on how tolerant you are to things like that.'
>>52685983 >i feel you there, but theres also the people who enjoy being sped the fuck up. We aren't talking about enjoyment. If you want to take it recreationally, that's another matter. For recreation people take VERY high doses. Taking those sorts of doses on a regular basis to get work done would be dangerous and not helpful.
>>52680868 how the fuck do you micro dose LSD? i had 25mg at some time and it was not enough to trip hard but enough to stress my mind so much that it felt like waiting in the most literal sense to trip but never start tripping balls.
but thinking what a disaster that was, 5 to 10 should be horrible enough, let alone that dosing acid is a pain.
when i did the 25 i cut a 100 tab into 4 pieces which were more or less even in size, so i just assume it was around 25. smoked some hash to milden the potential mindfuck, still had an exhausting day and some hppd for the next few days
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