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Haswell vs. Skylake & Price/Performance
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Can we talk about which CPU is the best price/performance?

I lurk this board and everyone seems to love the 4690K, 4790K, 6600K, and 6700K. I look at the prices for them and they are on totally different spectrums. You can get a 4690K/6600K for like $230-$250 while the 4790K/6700K is easily $330-$400. In what way is a 6700K worth $70 more than a 4790K or a $150 more than a $6600K?

It seems absolutely ridiculous. I get that the 6700K is an i7 and has HT, but when are you ever actually using that unless you're some professional who is editing images or rendering video?

To me, it seems like the 6600K is the best price/performance for top performance.

What do you all think?
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bumping this shit
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>>52639997
Get the 4690k . I just bought a i5 4690k yesterday from amazon for $230. will be here tomorrow. I had originally got a g3258 at microcenter, but fuck that dual core meme. I can't even play new games with it. Guess I'll have to sale the pentium on craigslist or just use it for a different cheap pc.

thanks for reading my blog. Happy to have a decent quad core incoming, should last a good while.
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Because it's hard to justify buying the haswell architecture, that's been around for almost 3 years, and still paying the launch price.

This is what a monopoly looks like.
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>>52639997
the answer is Haswell-E
or Broadwell-E
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>>52639997
>release a product every 2 years that is marginally better and requires a new motherboard and other components

>customers actually have to debate whether to buy the older product since they are basically the same thing, but the newer product is more compatible with whatever shit 'standards' they dream up over the next year
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>>52640357
at this point I'm considering the 6600K. I just don't know how much I'll notice the difference from a 6600K to a 6700K. From what I can tell, it's a 0.5GHZ underclock and HT. It seems like in video games, the 6600K actually performs just as well as the 4790K. The 6700K does seem to destroy everything in games for some reason, though. newer architecture with 4790K speeds, I guess?
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>>52639997

haswell to skylake is similar to ivy bridge to haswell. not much of a performance boost, but the prices where about the same. so there wasn't really any reason to pick up a ivy unless you got it for a steal.

right now, as you pointed out, skylake's 6700k seems to be inflated, and it is, because of a supply issue. intel has been having issues with its 14nm chips, and most 6600k's are 6700k rejects. so intel is able to keep the flow of 6600k's going but they can't with 6700k's. 6700k msrp is post to be similar to 4790k's msrp.

right now the 4790k is the best price to performance option to get. motherboards are semi cheap, ddr3 is extremely cheap, i just saw a 32gb ddr3 1600mhz kit on newegg brand new for $130, and the 4790k is reasonably priced and usually goes on sell for under $300.

>>52640438
stock clock doesn't mean much since it can be easily overclocked to 4ghz - 4.4ghz. the difference between the two is HT and HT does help a lot in games that can utilize more than 4 threads, which many new games are. for once, HT is worth the extra price premium.
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no shit
5820k > 6700k
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>>52640438
In cpuz, my OC 6600k will beat a stock 6700 in single threaded, and come within spitting distance of multi-threaded. Not exactly apples to apples, but it's food for thought.

And the 6600 is on sale at jewegg with code for $192 today. Get an OC-able mobo and save some $.
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>>52640504
> the difference between the two is HT and HT does help a lot in games that can utilize more than 4 threads, which many new games are. for once, HT is worth the extra price premium.

which one can argue towards intel's house fire x99 platform with a house fire 140watt tdp 5820k. six cores with 12 threads. it might be more multi threaded game proof than a 4790k or 6700k. if you don't mind the house fireness it might be a decent option as well. my frys awhile ago had them on sale for $280. just seems like a lot of x99 boards are shit though which is why i went skymeme.
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>>52640548
sure, but can't you just OC the shit out of the 6700K or 4790K too and destroy the OC'd 6600K?
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>>52640564
yes, the 6700k can be overclocked as well. outside of HT and default clocks, both chips are the same.
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>>52639997
>he fell for the 'Hyperthreading does nothing for gaymes' meme
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>>52640564
I'm not sure about "destroy" is the right adjective, but yes it does make a difference. A $150ish difference with inflated i7 prices? You be the judge.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhaB1dqYv_I
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>>52639997
>buying 3 year old architecture

Wait for broadwell-e
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>>52640604
Jesus I hate this chart, no 4790, no 6700, etc. How about a better chart?
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>>52640608
it seems like the i7 is gets higher stable frames. is it worth like $100-$150? I'm not sure.
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>>52640627
The 4770K is the same damn chip as the 4790K you fucking retard. What CPUs are there is irrelevant, i7s beat the shit out of i5s.
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>>52640741
for the money you're paying, it doesn't seem like an i7 is worth it unless you have a job in video editing or something. that extra $100-$150 going with a 6600K instead of a 6700K can be put into another component like the GPU or something.
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>Xeon E1230-v3
>30%+ faster than a i5-4690
>Same TDP
>$50 more
>Still cheaper than a i7-4790
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>>52640564
6600k and 6700k will bench about the same until you get into tasks that can utilize more than four threads.

best processors to get:
$300 - $400 range:
>4790k
first choice tied with 5820k right now due to inflated 6700k prices
>6700K
would be first choice if it wasn't so inflated in price
>5820k
worth it if you don't mind a 140 watt processor. most loads it wont go that high, but once you overclock it, the thing really starts drawing power. its intel's house fire version of amd anything. the extra 2 cores and four threads are nice for games that can use more than 6 cores. most can hit 4ghz. 4.2ghz or higher hits a wall. depends on your chip and most review sites since release have stated its so random. some can hit 4.6ghz, some can't go higher than 4.2. but all can easily hit 4ghz.

$200 - $290 range:
>6600k
thats it. no reason to go haswell since the 6600k is not inflated.
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>>52640801
the xeon can't be overclocked.
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>>52640801
this
niggers hyperthreading started to play role
you cant overclock the nigger or make some use of integrated gpu
but price / performance is the best
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>>52640802
I saw a 6700K on best buys website for $370, the fucker sold out within like 5 minutes. I'm sort of glad I didn't snag it because it seems like the 6600K is a better value if you don't know if you need HT.
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>>52640741
Did you read what you wrote? Do it again, this time slower.
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>>52640604
That graphic is a fucking joke.

If the scale wasn't so fucked up, the hyperthreading bar would be almost unnoticeable.
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>>52640878

Hyper-threading is a hit-or-miss with most applications.

You need a application that is threaded properly and an OS that knows how to schedule the threads.
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>>52640713
I skipped around in the video, but the shit I saw was pretty close, like 10fps, and sometimes the same for all chips. The thing I came away with is that none of them hit the magical 144fps, and all were above 100 most of the time on most of the titles tested. And most people still have a 60hz monitor. And what is this shit about stability he is going on about? Either you have a stable OC, or you don't.
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>>52640917
it seems like the i7 doesn't have random 10-20 frame drops like the i5 does. does it really matter? and is it worth spending $100-$150 more for? I don't think. Like I said, I think that unless you KNOW that you need HT because you're a multi-media professional or someone that uses software utilizing HT every day, I don't think i7 is worth it.
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>>52640274
Wow, you poor creatue the 4790k's are like forty dollars more at Microcenter
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>>52640993
everywhere I look, you're paying at least $100 more for the i7 equivalents from the i5 equivalents. not really worth it. no idea why he went with a haswell over a skylake when it's only $20 more, though. maybe he already has a 1150 board and ddr3 ram or something.
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>>52640802
>thats it. no reason to go haswell since the 6600k is not inflated.
Price of the mobo and ram. I can get a good mobo, ram and i7 4790 for just 20 bucks more than a similar combo with i5 6600k.
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someone should do a price comparisons to the sandy bridge or ivy bridge for lulz
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Is Skylake even worth it in the first place, though?

pic related, Passmark is saying that even at $85 more, the 4790K is a better deal than the 6600K, even if only by 2.5 points. Is it worth going to a X99 and other older hardware, though? probably not. this is why I think the 6600K is better than a 4790K. the shit is 3 years old.
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>>52640274

>Falling for the G3258 meme
I almost did, too. Went with an 860k from AMD and can play everything though.
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>>52641201
fuck, forgot pic

lets keep in mind, the 6600K is literally the same CPU as the 6700K and the 4790K but at 3.5GHZ instead of 4.0GHZ. who gives a shit about hyperthreading? single thread scores are way more important.
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>>52641201
>Is Skylake even worth it in the first place
I has a new chipset with lots of nice pictures and generally runs cooler and overclocks better than haswell, as well as having a slightly higher IPC and support for DDR4
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If you buy complete new setup I'd go for skylake. You can use that DDR4 in future setups when DDR3 is trash.
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it's official, skylake is king
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>>52641229
The reason to go with a Pentium G is to start with a good motherboard and upgrade the CPU later. If you start with an AMD CPU you're stuck.
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>>52641235
>single thread scores are way more important.

I hear ya buddy. You're homosexual and that's normal.

It's a lifestyle that is between you and your partner.
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>>52641346
I agree with this if you really are that cheap fuck (that AMD would be an option).
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>>52641374
and what if you don't use premiere pro cc 2014?
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Just so people don't fall for the G3258 trolls..

It's actually a good processor to use while you save $$ for a great one. I'm running G3258 4.5ghz OC @ 1.3v. Does what I need it to, but I will end up upgrading to the 4790k seeing as how it has the best single thread performance at the moment.
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>>52641400
>and what if you don't use premiere pro cc 2014?

It means you're a gaymer. Like I said, keep that behind closed doors.
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>>52640407
excuse me for my ignorance but why has intel released skylake and now they-re going back to release an 'e' update to broadwell?
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>>52641442
so you really think that a 6700K is a better deal than a 6600K?
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>>52641451

they probably will skip broadwell-e, tbQuiteH
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You guys seem to be all intel fags so It's probably better to ask here.
Right now I own a 8 year old computer that has an Core 2 Duo E7400. I plan to make an upgrade this year but I'll have to take it slow as I'm a poorfag living in a third world country. I started by buying stuff that I can use with the current setup, like case and a new 430w PSU (the old case was crumbling and the psu was an unbranded cheap 430w one that sounded like a diesel truck).

I'm not in a rush but saving money is really hard (have to pay shit and support family). GPU is not a priority item, so I'm looking for cpu+mobo recommendations or perhaps an upgrade path.

I don't game much, in fact the iGPU already fulfills my needs 90% of the time.
Most of the time I use the computer to shitpost or to contribute to some open source projects (RetroArch for instance) and write software (games, tools etc) for fun. I use Linux almost exclusively.

Thanks for subscribing.
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>>52639997
I3 6100 best value.
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>>52641495
What is your budget
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>>52641495
Do this
>>52641346
>>52641432
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>>52641474
>so you really think that a 6700K is a better deal than a 6600K?

Skylake is a mirage.

4790 is the new Sandy Bridge "i5-2500". It's basically a steal at $250.
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>>52641495

Wow. If a Wolfdale iGPU is handling all your gaming needs you might as well put together some cheapo APU setup.
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>>52641535
nobody sells new 4790K's for 250 USD.
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>>52641529

>Actually suggesting a G325meme
Worthless.
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>>52641553
>nobody sells new 4790K's for 250 USD.

I'm sorry, did I K-stutter?
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>>52640993
not right now they aren't faggot. 4790k is 299 at MC atm. I checked. I live 40 mins from one. the 4690k is 220 at MC, and i'd rather just pay 10 bucks more to amazon to have it brought to my door.
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>>52641579
>4790k is 299 at MC atm

$279*** bundle faggot
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>>52641576
>buying a non-K
have fun with zero future proofing
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>>52641604
anon, holy shit. is it really that hard to check their website?
http://www.microcenter.com/product/434176/Core_i7-4790K_40GHz_LGA_1150_Boxed_Processor

they went up on price since the holidays you fucking delusional faggot. I don't need an i7 anyway.
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>>52641619

>Future proof
I love memes
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>>52641665
Explain how that is a meme. 5 years from now, your 6600 will be slow, while your 6600K you can just OC and it won't be slow anymore.
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>>52641521
Well It's hard to say, I'd guess about $200 to $300 (dollar quite high here at the moment).

>>52641529
Thanks, sounds like a good plan. I started thinknig about the upgrade when I heard of the AMD Zen CPUs and the rumored Haswell/Skylake performance level. I thought AMD was going to release it on Q1 2016 but turns out it won't be out until Q4. Not sure if I'll wait until then.

>>52641542
I rarely play games and when I do it's either some demo shit from /vg/agdg/ or PS1/SNES/N64 emulators. The most intensive PC game I played in the last 3-4 years was probably Bastion, TF2 or Need For Speed Most Wanted when I still had a Nvidia 8400gs installed.
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>>52641694
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>>52641694
5 years from now 6600 will still be pretty good mate. Since Core 2 every year there is less and less reason to upgrade CPUs unless you are hardcore gaymen, a CAD dude or something.
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>>52641619
>future proofing
>more like gay-poofing.

OC'ing is loud and noisy, even with an H100i and turboing at 4.4ghz. I regret my 4790k purchase every day.

The 4790k is the equivalent to having sex with a horse.
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>>52641649
nah, dude, BUNDLE!

$20 off, you gigantic faggot.
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>>52641699
Well you can buy the G3258 and OC on the stock cooler to at least 4.0ghz, 4.2 I would say.

It's $70 normally, goes on sale for $50 every now, pair it with a cheap MSI board only. H81M-E33 or H81M-P33, that's if you want consistency with most reviewers. I'm not sure if you're ever planning on running Windows 10, but you won't be able to overclock if you to decide to one day.
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>>52641741
>trying this hard to troll

get a job, or seek therapy
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>>52641740
>>52641741
well, you're paying $20 more for the chip + $40 more for paste and cooler + probably $100 more for an Z170 motherboard.

still worth it over a non-K. prove me wrong.
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i5 4460 is best price/performance
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>>52641741
I don't know about you, but my anus is more than accommodating for my 4790k's horse dick. If I could fit two, I would.
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>>52641786

>effectively $160 over the non-K
>Lowering the chip's lifespan.
>Running into potential issues if you draw piss in the silicon lottery.

OCing is great on shit like the G325meme, where no one gives a shit about it and won't be using it for over a year anyway.
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>>52641737
that's from a different era.

an era where every 6 months new, higher performing parts where coming out. higher performing parts that face raped the previous higher performing from 6 months ago. where dropping $1,000 - $2,000 every six months was worth it.

now we live in an era where even after four years nothing spectacular. yes faster, but not ground breaking where its even worth $300 total to upgrade to.

even video cards have been slowing down. with the latest rumors about pascal it seems to be yet another 600 - 700 - 900 series type gains.
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>>52641892
you're not lowering a chips lifespan just because you OC'd it. temperatures are what matter.
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>>52641786
>still worth it over a non-K. prove me wrong.

Probably not.

OC'ing is a shitty-value proposition:
- Louder/hotter machine (50dba+ at 10% overclock)
- Higher electric bill
- Decreases lifespan of all your parts

All for a shitty 10% increase in performance.
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>skymeme

>not waiting for ZEN

i pity everyone.
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Am I doing it right?
950 m.2 underway
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>>52641974
>Zen
>wanting to sidegrade from an i5-4670k
Zen will be no better than Haslel's per-core performance.
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>>52641974
>Zen, in a best case scenario, MIGHT get up to 1st gen Haswell performance

You fags are acting like you're going to get a 4770K equivalent for like $100. Not going to happen
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I know this isn't the right place to ask, but the thread seems to be pretty active and some people here know what they're talking about, so why not.

Anyways, I'm an extreme poorfag who lives in Russia. If any of you are still reading after the previous sentence, I need your help with picking a relatively cheap CPU/mobo combination that will be sufficient for comfortable gaymen, [spoiler]streaming[/spoiler] , photoshop and all that shit for at least 2-3 years, the more the better though.

I currently have a 600W Corsair PSU, 8GB of DDR3 RAM, a 2GB ASUS GTX760, some ASRock AM3+ socket mobo and a REALLY OLD Phenom II X6 1055T processor. The CPU is fucking garbage (had it since 2011) and I want to replace it as soon as possible, but our currency is down the shitter so pretty much everything costs at least twice as much as it used to 2 years ago.

I should mention that I don't care if it's AMD or Intel, as long as it has good price/performance and will last several years. In fact, if there's any viable CPU that fits AM3+ I'll probably get that.

So, yeah, please help me out. Model, price in $ and why it's good is all I need to know. Thanks.
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>>52642011
At least get a 1440p monitor you autist
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>>52642022
God fucking damn it I messed up the spoiler. Hard to type shit on mobile
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I have an I5 2500k OC @ 4.5 with a GTX 580 and 8 gigs of ram

This build is going to be 5 years old in Oct and I want to upgrade to a Pascal GPU and a new PC.

Should I start looking into Skylake or will Kaby Lake or Zen come with Pascal ?

And what kind of Monitor do I want to get to go with the Pascal ?

I have 1080p 60hz samsung now.
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>>52642019
>>52642020
Fools, you are. ZEN will destroy your precious Skylake and reign supreme for years.
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>>52642041
Just get a new gpu, rest of your shit's fine

A 1440p 60/144hz monitor will be a good match
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>>52641945
>louder/hotter
4.5 OC 60c @ 100%

>higher electric bill
2 dollars a year?

>decreases life span
are you even trying at this point?
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>>52639997
can I run two r390's and two m.2 drives in raid 0 mode on one of these, or is that asking too much?
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>>52642041
>OC @ 4.5

Stop this.
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>>52642011
950, are you a complete retard? Why do you fucking retards think you need the same speed as a fucking server.

Anything you do in live will be conducted without logical thought or reasoning.
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>>52642039
spoilers don't work on /g/
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>>52642022
G3258 OC cheap motherboard, run windows 7

do some research on mobos
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>>52642100
>60c @ 100%

You mean Idle. Which is pathetic.
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>>52642041
ye your CPU isn't bad yet, just a little behind the rest of the pack
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>>52642137
wut

Did you even read what I said? 60c @ 100%

Idle less than 30 always

try harder, and then try again
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am i right in thinking that with recent generations of chips intel has been producing only a single wafer and then just downclocking or restricting them?

just thinking cos you can overclock non-k's to the same amounts,
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>>52642022
>AM3+
Just upgrade to a FX-8xxx CPU m8.
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>>52642107

m . 2
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2
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>>52642128
People say it's a meme CPU and it can't run shit. If it actually is, I don't wanna fall for this shit. Care to explain why its a good option?
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>>52642127
Ah, so that's why it didn't work, ty.
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>>52642191
It's an unlocked dual core CPU. Runs WoW just fine. Don't purchase this if you plan on running A+++ games.

Do your own research on it if you will, you'll find benchmarks which are really surprising.
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>>52642127
spoilers should work on everyboard. they're so fun
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>>52642067
I plan on passing down my PC to my sister and just building an all new ones for myself when Pascal come in June. I just saw a news report that says GTX 1080 in June.

Also I really wanna upgrade to an M.2 NVME SSD instead of my sata one.

>>52642105
Ive been running it at that speed for years.
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>>52642271
Kaby Lake might come out around that time. Keep your ears peeled
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>>52642102
not all z170 boards come with two m.2 slots, most come with one. gigabyte does ship a few boards with two m.2 slots.
.
and yes, crossfired 390s will work great with a 6600k / 6700k

pic related, my 390 nitros on my old 4790k build.
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>>52642298
asrock has some. but I wanna know if I'm blowing thru too many pci channels to get the benefit of connecting those
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>>52642191
It's a meme cpu, don't get shilled. Going from a phenom II x6 to a g328whatever is only a downgrade. Try to OC your cpu and wait till Zen or get a fx 8xxx
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>>52642490
>still trying this hard
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I can't fucking choose between 6600K and 6700K.

someone fucking help me decide.
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>>52639997
>Intel marketing general.
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http://techreport.com/review/26735/overclocking-intel-pentium-g3258-anniversary-edition-processor/3

for all of the non-believers
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>>52642535
Do you need hyperthreading? 6700K

Do you not need hyperthreading? 6600K

It's not that hard faggot
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Should I be going for the 4670K or the 6600 non-K?
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>>52642578
How do I know if I need hyperthreading or not? Doesn't it help with muh futureproofing? Won't games and applications make use of hyperthreading in the future?
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>>52642604
If you don't know these questions you should just go to Best Buy and buy one off the shelf.

Guaranteed you won't notice the difference
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>>52642599
6600K
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>>52642599
you should go with a CPU that people actually care about
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>>52640818
Unless your name is Linus Tech Tips. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khDsbxa5_G0
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>>52642260
Not interested in grindy MMO garbage. Looking more towards average AAA games (another sort of trash) and a few older ones. Thanks for the advice, not getting the GWhatever.

>>52642490
I'm a bit tech illiterate and also EXTREMELY paranoid about doing stuff like overclocking, if I fuck something up I probably won't have the money to cover it. My brother who used to work in IT can help with that shit but I don't wanna bother him.

Regardless, OCing the 1055T sounds like a good idea. The stock speed is 2.7GHz, I could probably push it above 3 with the stock fan and get much better performance.

Also, I expect Zen to be very expensive on launch, especially here in Russia. Guess 8xxx is the cheapest and best option in this situation. Is the 8350 hot? Would you recommend any cheap coolers that can handle it? Sorry for all the questions but I'd rather be safe and happy with a functional CPU than broke with a burnt chip on my hands. If you can't be bothered answering I'll check out some websites and do more research there, I was going to do that anyway but /g/ seemed like a good place to start with. (inb4 not your tech support)
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>>52642694
just go fuck yourself with your spam.

nobody cares about this faggot chink lover.
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>>52642732
Do NOT fall for the "wait for X" meme. It's already been confirmed by AMD itself that Zen isn't even going to be close to delivering the performance AMD initially promised.
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>>52641762
you are retarded man. you could have just read my first post where I said I had a g3258 and HAVE A COMPUTER. i dont need a fucking bundle, you humongous faggot. last reply
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>>52642732
Then spend at least $200 for 4690k and over $100 for motherboard to OC
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>>52640274
If you wanna sell it to me on the sly I'll stick it with the spare 750ti I have. That'll run everything I play.
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6600k master race
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>>52642958
>get bundle
>sell mobo
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>>52639997
PCIE lanes alone is worth choosing Skylake over Haswell, I wish I didn't listen to /g/ and bought the Xeon E3 1231 V3

If I put in a NVME drive it will disable SATA 4/5, SATA EXPRESS and all the other PCIE x1 slots.

Now that motherboard manufacturers have boards that allow overclocking of non K series CPUs you can just get a cheap i5, overclock that and get more PCIE lanes than a comparable K series Haswell and be come out cheaper depending on your component choices. Did I mention 64~128gb DDR4 support?

I feel like I wasted so much money on the haswell, sure I use it for work, but it takes took 7 years for budget approval to upgrade from a Q9300 from 2008.
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>>52646307
>Now that motherboard manufacturers have boards that allow overclocking of non K series CPUs you can just get a cheap i5, overclock that

wut... what's the point of a K, then?
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>>52646395
There is no point.
The i5-6400 can be OCed as high as the i5-6600K.
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>>52646395
Asrock, MSI both have motherboards out for overclocking non-K series Skylakes.

Only Skylakes.
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>>52646426
>>52646430
no way
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>>52646462
Asrock advertises i5 6400 from 2.7 up to 4.3ghz easily
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>>52646497
but how does that compare to an OC'd 6600K?
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>>52646497
read some reviews first and make up your mind

>not really a 60% boost
>the 6400 already boosts to 3.3 by default
More like a 35% speed increase over stock boost
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>>52646561
The i5 skylakes are the exact same chips just with different multipliers. at the same ghz, they will run the same.

Here is an i3 @ 4.3ghz

>>52646590
The max turboboost value is not sustained across all cores all the time.
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>>52646609
yeah, this isn't true at all.
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>>52640504
>the difference between the two is HT and HT does help a lot in games that can utilize more than 4 threads, which many new games are. for once, HT is worth the extra price premium.

Show me one game that benefits from HT. just one lol.

and i mean benefits from it, not like 2fps increase in one scene and 2fps lower in the next
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>>52646609
>The max turboboost value is not sustained across all cores all the time.

obviously, its not like Asus is showing cores 1,2,3 and their speeds.
Turbo boost numbers are only about 1 core, without having the cpu and being in UEFI I can't say what the numbers look like for all 4 cores under boost.
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>>52646609
>The max turboboost value is not sustained across all cores all the time

Most motherboards allow you to set it so that it does. MSI call it Enhanced Turbo, Asus call it Multicore Enhancement and for ASRock it's Multicore Acceleration.
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>>52646609
lmao an OC'd i3 will not touch an OC'd i5 or i7. shut the fuck up moron
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>>52646686
Actually it doesn't because my E3 1231 V3 can only sustain a 3.6ghz turboboost across all cores.

I even bought a Z97 motherboard and set all the multipliers for each core manually
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>>52646724
>The i5 skylakes are the..
>The i5 skylakes
>The i5

Way to reading comprehension you dumb fuck.
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>>52646655
Hyper thread is rarely talked about now, only when it first hit the scene did people benchmark with it on/off.

it is an over all benefit , but sometimes it can be slightly detrimental.
Almost all the benchmarks about it are years old now, so I have no idea how it would hold up today when more and more games and programs are making use of extra cores.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/1910/7

I really don't see a point in turning it off unless you know for certain it slows down a certain task and you will be executing that task the majority of your time
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>>52646741
Actually it does, because I was using it with my 4790K before I bothered to overclock it properly and it maintained 4.4GHz on all cores at all times. Perhaps Xeons aren't supported, or your chip is defective?
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Buy a Sandy Bridge.

>Mfw bought Asus Maximum IV+2500k for 230 bucks
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>>52646792
You're running a K CPU
Non K CPUs only hit their top Turboboost speed on 1 core, I've tried it with the new skylake 6600 non K and it doesn't hit 3.9ghz across all cores either, topped out at 3.7 sustained but will hit 3.9ghz on a single core happily.

A friends non-K 4770 also doesn't top out the turboboost on all cores and he's running on water.
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>>52646854
NON K ON SUICIDE WATCH
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>>52641619
>>52641694
5 years from now, you'll probably just buy another CPU and motherboard to upgrade, genius.

Overclocking just to get a small speed boost is fucking retarded.
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>>52646875
Yes, I absolutely hate myself for buying into the Xeon E3 Haswell meme when skylakes can be had for not much more and are overclockable with DDR4 and more PCIE lanes with better NVME support.

Alas, I'm stuck with this Xeon for the foreseeable future (5+yrs) minimum.

local brick n mortar has

6400 for $179
6500 for $204
6600 for $208 (on promo)
6600K for $246
6700 for $307
6700K for $352

E3 1231 V3 for $245
4790 for $307 (K version out of stock)

Just for lulz they sell the 5960X for $1029
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>>52639997
The 6700k isn't worth it consideribg that it is only %5 better than the 4790k. The 5820k is the way to go if you want something newer than the 4790k.

>>52641480
>>52641451
There have been leaks of broadwell-e.
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>>52647006
20 additional PCIE 3.0 lanes is a huge improvement over 8 additional PCIE 2.0 lanes if you use NVME drives or other PCIE expansion cards.
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>>52646919
ddr3 has been around for more than 5 years retard
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>>52647042
>Implying 1066/1333 2/4GB DDR3 dimms from 5 yrs ago aren't going to bottleneck the fuck out of your system.
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>>52641665
It's not exactly future-proof, but any build significantly more powerful than this generation's consoles are going to be fine for the next 5-6 years minimum
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>>52647060
lol but they fucking aren't you dumb fuck. ddr3 1600 has been out for more than 5 years and nignogs still use their sticks from like 2010.
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i5 4460 is the most value cpu you can buy
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>>52647138
absolutely untrue.
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>>52647155
Then what is the most vaule CPU?
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>>52647171
it'd be a 4790K way before a fucking 4460
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Is the 5930k worth getting?
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>>52647191
How much is 4790k? Compared to 4460, which one has more value?
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>>52647191
the 4460 is half the price of the 4790k and much more than half the performance.
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>>52646395
>what's the point of a K, then?
Better stability, an overclocked non-K CPU is running at max clockrate 100% of the time
And guaranteed overclocking support(intel might patch non-K overclocking)
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>>52647171
X4 860K
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>>52647259
Isn't the architecture of this processor too old?
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>>52639997
>not getting 100USD 8core w HT xeons on ebay
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>>52639997
6600K is ideal if you don't need HT. 6700K vs 4790K is a slight power advantage and better power savings. The 6700K consumes ~4 watts at idle and up to 90 watts full load.
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>>52647277
cpus basically haven't changed in 5 years.
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What if i don't care about overclocking, what is the best value intel CPU?
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>>52647312
5930k
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>>52647319
why?
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>>52647312
See >>52647280
Those are sandy bridge CPUs IIRC, so not exactly obsolete.
Of course, if you don't have highly threaded workloads (eg. Multiple VMs) its a waste of money.
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>>52647277
Kaveri is 2014. Not too old.
You might be thinking of the old AM3/AM2+ ones.
I'd say either X4 860k or the FX-6300. Not sure, I don't fuck with AMD much.

>>52647326
This is bait.

It depends really, but typically the best "power for your dollar" is the 4690 non-K.Only difference besides locked multiplier is it supports one or two visualization extensions, and is a few bucks less. I honestly tell people to buy K anyways since it leaves room in the future.
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>>52647346
im gona upgrade my g3240 to i5 4460.
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ITT

>my CPU = best value
>your CPU = retarded

prove me wrong
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>>52647387
I dont think my cpu was the best value, I just thought it was the best I could get.
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I don't even like the idea of "best value" because best value CPU's are always the most average shit, like the 860K is the best value right now, but it's not that powerful or anything. you would never actually want it in your PC. "best value" is code for "i have no money"
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>>52647410
I don't mind using a 860k even though I have money. I enjoy having value in the things I buy.
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I think the best value CPU we are talking here is the i5 4460 or i5 4590 or maybe the i5 6500.
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>>52647306
This. Everything has been stagnate since Sandybridge. Each new IPC improvement has been coupled with an almost exact downsizing in maximum clockspeed headroom for OC'ing.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested
>January 3, 2011 12:01 AM EST
All those people running 2500Ks @ 5Ghz are till laughing to this day. It may surpass the Q6600 at this point as the greatest CPU post-2000.
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Gonna buy a 6700k and a 980Ti soon, how big of a mistake is this?
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Doesn't Sandy bridge consume less power than haswell when comparing oc vs oc?
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>>52641619
I dont get this. How can a cpu built in 22nm run on lower electricity while having a higher clock compared to a cpu built in 14nm?
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>>52647514
Nah, it's on an older process node and not as efficient

But it uses solder under the hood, so it is easier to cool vs haswell
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>>52647490
It's dumb but you will be fine once the post purchase rationization kicks in.
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>>52640274
>>52640993
got my 4790k for 240
kek
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>>52647518
14nm is a meme
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>>52647635
fucking how
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>>52647518
because silicon is reaching its end game. if you haven't noticed, the last like 4 intel generations are all practically the same damn processors.
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just got a used 2500k for 100 bux, and a used 770 for another 100 bux. OC'd the cpu to 4.5gigabobs and now i am the king of [email protected] gaymen.

Unless you're playing in 4k or trying to reach 100+ fps, don't bother with Skymeme. It only performs better when you crank everything up.

for 1080/1440 gaming, you wont need more than a 2500k(unless you're going for 100+ fps in ultra).

really...

i hope i can switch to AMD by the end of the year, fuck jewtel kikes and nvidiots. Get your shit together and release zen+polaris so we can be free
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>>52647834
I had 3 gtx 770s break on me this past year. I honestly wish I knew why, I changed my psu, mobo and cpu in between the deaths. I'd just be playing one day and the pc would black screen and boom dead.
I honestly don't have the cash on me to just get a card right now so I'm stuck with my 4690k. Should I wait for the new gpus? I don't really play games much due to school n shit so I have no problem waiting. I can go back to consoles for now.
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>>52647635
I got mine for 220€ back in 2014
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>>52647862
If you're not playing a lot right now, just get an older card like a 560ti. It can still handle most games, and they're really cheap now.
I got one when my old card died, i didn't play much either and i just wanted something fast enough for the few games i played with my friends(it's how we stay in touch long range).
If you're not in a hurry, don't bother with the hype, just get something cheap and wait for a good reason to spend your money.
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>>52640274
>>52647635
>>52647898
Got mine for $45-46.
It was a real steal but then again, i built his new 6600K build.
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>>52640821
>you cant overclock the nigger or make some use of integrated gpu

That's only going to make a difference when DX12 is prevalent and multiadapter is possible.
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>>52647911
So you didn't buy it from a retailer?
Funny how quickly Intel hiked the price of the CPUs once they realized AMD couldn't compete.
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>>52647909
I won't bother than, instead I'll just start setting aside money for the new gpus. I actually like playing my games maxed out at 1080p and I probably plan on getting a new higher res monitor down the line. For now, I'm not really interested in much. Was only looking forward to tomb raider and most other games rumored to be coming out in fall or maybe next year. I've only been playing league lately though.

If I'm to buy a card, it has to have a decent resale value. Like when I had sli 770s, I planned on selling them for around 200 bucks before pascal/Polaris release. Thanks for the advice though anon.
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i'd take a 4790K over a 6600K. nigger if i'm spending like $800 on a build, i'm not "upgrading" fucking anything. who uses a motherboard or PSU for 8+ years? that's not even safe. I just build the best thing I can, use it for 5-8 years depending on how good it is, and just sell it on craigslist to fund the new build. people who upgrade a part here or there are fucking suckers.
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>>52647947
Nah, it was a co-workers CPU but he got a 4790K after a week since he wanted the HyperThreading.
Sold it to a friend, for $100.
Then I bought it off him since he now had a CPU but no PC to put it in.
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>>52641699
you're a good candidate for just waiting for Iris Pro CPUs to come out, or an APU build

maybe wait for one of those 7850k combo deals on newegg to go on sale
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>>52639997
PS, 4790k still great for rendering video

Protip: microcenter
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>>52646395
You can pay intel $20 or something for their extended warranty thing if the cpu fries they'll replace it unless you tried to break it open doing some stupid shit
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new 6700 for 300euros, couldnt be happier
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>>52648082
6700k that is
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrfTcXQlsbs

Holy shit, 6500 is the best budget chip in my opinion.

Even a Haswell i7 for now is an overkill.
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>>52648453
I mean the Haswell i7 simply does not worth it for a 800$ budget gamer.
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5820K is best possible option

possible for 3 way SLI

8 ram slots for muh 128GB DDR4 ram

x99 boards are all made top-tier because they're all automatically enthusiast boards

fucking 6 cores niggers. OC that shit with a noctua DH15 and it will fucking destroy 6700K and 4790K and last you like 8 years as god-tier. zero difference in price from a 6700K and like $70 more than a 4790K. why the fuck would you not do it holy shit
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>>52648516
Because the 5820K exposes you as a poorfag. Owning the top tier mainstream chip shows that you have money to burn and want the best, but won't be suckered in by sneaky jewish memes like X99.

Owning a 5820K shows that you were desperate to try and prove that you're rich by owning an X99 platform, but could only afford the absolute bottom of the barrel CPU available, exposing you as a poorfag trying to look wealthy.
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>>52648566
>Owning a 5820K shows that you were desperate
nah
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>>52648593
>post yfw you will never own a 5960X
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>>52648566
p funny considering the x99 platform is literally not anymore expensive than z97 or z170. it used to be, but not anymore.
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>tfw europoor
>tfw having to buy a CPU from eBay because local i5 ivy bridges are 200€ + used
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>>52648566
>x99
>5820k
>jewish memes
is that why passmark rates the 5820K as a better value than the 4790K and 6700K?
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>>52648686
You forgot to mention your $500 motherboard, Avram.
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>>52648721
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00UN7AWOY/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

get ready to suck my BWC
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Is there any reason to upgrade from my 3770 ?
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>tfw spent the entire night debating 6600k vs. 6700k vs 4790k vs 5820k and can't make my mind up

shit
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>>52640802
At Microcenter, a 5820k is only 320$ compared to the 6700k at 400$
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>>52648923
same dude, same

it's fucked
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>buying anything newer than sandy bridge

Enjoy spending $300+ on skylake/haswell when you could have bought a sandy bridge cpu for <$100 and notice even know the difference.
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>>52646655
Like all the games that "require" more cores than your cpu have?
You can find tons of people saying they can run Dragon Age: Inquisition on dualcore + HT, but it's unplayable on the same dualcore without HT ...
Basically all the games that have quadcore as minimum requirement need you to have either Intel 2core+HT or AMD 4core ... So all the games that can utilise >4 cores can use the i7/Xeon HT because of its free context switch ...
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>>52648516
You also forgot to mention that you can turn most X99 systems into Xeon workstations with ECC RAM. And if you have any -WS board it'll accept RDIMMs too.

>>52648566
>>52648623
The 5960x is 3x the price for 33% more cores that will run slower than either 6-core will even with OC. It's not a good deal even if you have money to burn.

>>52648923
>>52649042
For a start figure out what you're going to be doing with it.
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>>52649048
i want my gta 5 to be 60 fps avg not 20fps senpai :^3
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>>52649066
I want to GAEMZ, I don't care as much about being future proof and I want to be inbetween 800-900$, with an R9 390.

Supposedly thats the best budget card rn.
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>>52649068
gta 5 will never come close to using even 25% of a something like an i7-2600
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>>52640433
more accurate than you might think...
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>>52649042
it seems like after you OC, the 6600K and 6700K are doing the exact same in gaymen, even better than 4790K. skylakes are also cooler by several C. I think that if you're going to OC, 6600K is the best value.

>>52649068
playing porn games like artificial academy 2, watching streams, editing the odd video or image, shitposting, editing audio

that's literally it. I really don't play gaymes.
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>>52649083
you're comparing the fucking equivalent of a 5830K to consumer CPUs. GG retard
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>>52649085
shit, meant to reply to
>>52649066
>>52649066
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>>52649068
>>52649085

CPU matters fuck all for gaming. Especially in newer games that are better multi-threaded. I've run TW3 on ultra on an i7-920 and it never used more than 10% on any thread.

Even if it did, you're talking only about a 10-15% difference in speed between sandy bridge and skylake in simple programs like games. Only programs that are specifically designed for the new CPUs really see much of a benefit.

There is essentially zero reason for a home user to buy haswell or skylake. For gaming, a first gen i7 is already overkill, sandy bridge is only a good upgrade just for the PCI-e bandwidth, but anything beyond that is a waste of money for 99% of people on here.

If you do need actual cpu power, you could even build a 2 socket LGA 1366 server and grab 2 12 threaded X5650s for like $80 each, instead of spending $500+ on skylake and motherboard which won't even be as fast.
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>>52649199
which isn't relevant because i said i'm not really into gaymen like 3 times
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>>52649273

Well my point is you could buy and intel cpu made after 2008 and it would overkill.
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>>52649273
none of the other things you mentioned are especially hard on the CPU either, except video/audio editing, but it can be done on any decent quad core. I would only recommend getting anything near a 6700k/5820k if you did 4K video and/or short films... or if you stream while gaming and have a dozen things open for video capture, twitch, voice chat etc.
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CPU guide 2016:

Is someone else paying for this (company / client)?
Fuck it, get the 6700k

If you're paying do you need IOMMU?
Get and AMD FX

Are you gaming with multiple GPUs?
i7-2600

None of the above:
Buy the cheapest intel shit you can find.
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Does anyone else have issues with heat on 4790K? I'm reading up on it.
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>>52640274
Sell me the Pentium on Ebay or some shit. Contact me on kik iranherover or my email [email protected]
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Skylake is full of issues. No reason to get one over older Haswell chips. You can set it up for way cheaper and get almost the same performence
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Is the i7 3930k still any good? You can pick one up for a little less than 300 USD.
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>>52649048
B-but muh advanced chipsets!
Muh M.2
Muh USB 3.1
Muh DDR4
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>>52649312
>>52649406
is it good to upgrade my g3240 with i5 4460?

im not into overclock and just everyday use and mainstream gaming.

i have a gtx 750 Ti
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>>52649427
A bit, doesn't overclock much also.
Had to underclock mine with stock cooler but this was also before I started tweaking voltages/clocks so seemed like stock settings was fed too much voltage. got a 212 evo and managed to get it to 4.7ghz, but after upgrading some other parts it stopped being stable. 4.6ghz @ 1.236v currently, which isn't much over stock boost of 4.4ghz. Can run AIDA64 stress test and peak ~80c iirc
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>>52649510
i5 4460 is literally perfect. It's a great CPU. I would even buy the Pentium from you. Info here. >>52649452
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>>52649558
damn. it seems like skylakes overclock better.
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>2016
>choosing Skylake 6700K (consumer-tier bust) over Haswell-E 5820K (enthusiast-tier GOAT)

I seriously fucking hope you guys don't do this. 2 more cores, 4 more threads with a 5820K for a little more power draw and slightly slower single core performance (basically irrelevant since Sandy Bridge) for the same price or less than an overpriced 6700K setup.

The 5820K is the spiritual value successor to the 2500K.
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>>52649655
any heat issues like on 4790K?
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>>52649655
I've been considering getting a 3930k
>>52649670
Not really. I also think the 4770k was the one with heat issues
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>>52649670
Mine is only OC'd to 3.6 Ghz at the moment since I have no reason to push it more. 212 Evo, idles around 32 C and under my max actual load (streaming BF4) it gets up to 50 C after an hour or two. That probably has more to do with heat building up inside my Define R5 which I have sandwiched between the wall and my desk than any fault of the CPU.
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>>52649741
for some reason, people had issues with the 4790k as well.
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>>52649741
>>52649754
Just to add on to that, the Haswell-E series of CPUs have a better TIM than the cheap initial Haswell 4690k/4770k. No need to de-lid them.
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>>52649610
i dont know how to sell online.
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There are people ITT that buys something that's actually made in ISRAEL
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Westmere-EP
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>>52649865
jews have the highest average iq of any race, i'd rather it be made by them
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5820K or 6600K, which one would you pick?
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>>52649865
True, but what you don't realize is that Intel is so insidious, that it's done so to out-jew the jews.
Corporations based in Israel receive benefits that amount to essentially operating on the taxpayers money. In other words, Israel is paying Intel to have their R&D center be there.
They have achieved another level.
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>>52639997
Supply and demand faggot. The 6700K's were out of stock pretty much everywhere at launch, and the price is just slowly going down.

Intel meant for it ti retail at $350. Stores drove that price higher.
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>>52651426
answer >>52651338 pls
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>>52649865
There's an Intel factory in New Mexico. I live in New Mexico. Supporting Intel = supporting my poor-as-fuck state.
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>>52651338
I'd pick the 5820K, but only because I multi-task with some fairly heavy programs and would want the extra PCI expansion. It's not something that can be answered for you since everyone's use cases are different.
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>>52639997
Depends on what you are doing. The best bang for buck in my eyes is the 5820k. You can get one with a good mobo for 360-390 from microcenter atm. Add $100 for DDR4, and you have a very capable system that overclocks well. At the same time, 2011-v3 had been confirmed for Broadwell E giving you upgrade options down the line. Socket 1151 will be dead in a year or so meaning limited upgradeability for the future. With 2011, you can drop an 18 core Xeon in it if you need the processing power.
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>>52651466
>USA
>Poor
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>>52651657
>1151 will be dead in a year
you don't know that the next two gens after skylake are going to be 1151, i guess.
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>>52651466
>tfw no more glorious Governor Veto to make your state wealthy
>tfw libtards are flooding in from California like mad

I don't want to live here anymore.
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>>52651709
No I didn't. Source? Even then, your ceiling for performance with an X99 setup is well beyond a Z170 system regardless of processor.
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>>52640357
Used 3770K. Or buy 5/6820K new. I would never pay for Skyshit.

>5820K 360 € 6 cores
>6700K 360 € 4 cores
Do I need to explain anything?
>>52640801
Also this. The Xeon is a good option if you need i7 power without Igpu and no OC.
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>>52648684
Sold my 3570K for 150 €
Only reason to go i7 was shuttering when playing ME3 and converting
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>>52652115
shoulda taken it to 4.4 and beyond
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>>52640548
What's the code?
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>>52652222
I did 4.6
My 3770K won't go over 4.4 below 1.3V but it multithreads better
Still decent compared to newer 4 core i7 no difference
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>>52649497
How much does this affect your opinion of CPU value?
I went with 6600k partially for these reasons
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>>52654407
i went with 6600K because it's the best value. uses the least amount of power while giving same performance in games and is much less expensive
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What do you guys think about these?

4690k http://pcpartpicker.com/p/sbbhWZ
6600k http://pcpartpicker.com/p/G4LPjX
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>>52639997
If you want true price/performance, get an i5 4590. Overclocked CPUs are only generally 3-5 FPS faster, maybe 10 with serious liquid cooling. Usually retail for around $40-$60 cheaper, I got mine for $160 from Micro Center.
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>>52647620
Why is it dumb?
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>>52655861
p funny how wrong you are. look at any 6600k vs OC 6600K video and the OC gets like +20 frames every time
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>>52655892
Not him, but could you post it?
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>>52656128
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhaB1dqYv_I
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>>52656219
Oh shit, yeah thanks a bunch.
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>>52656219
tbqh, when seeing this, it seems like it'd be better to just get a cheaper cooler and motherboard and put that money into a 6700k
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>>52656340
Yeah, if you're building above 1500$-2000$, 67K is deffinetally the way to go.
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>>52656340
>>52656414
i just mean.. when you look at those frames. the stock 6700k sort of keeps up the entire time, so you could just buy like a $30 cryorig h7 and a less impressive motherboard, end up spending the same amount AND you got hyperthreading.
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>>52656340
>>52656445
Not everyone is buying an overly expensive mobo and cooler. The question isn't whether the 6700k is better (obviously it is) but if it is justifiably better for the price (not so obvious)
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>intel will never release an unlocked skylake pentium/i3
why live
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cross posting

Alright, this might be my most ridiculous dilemma yet

5820K w/ gtx 950 build ($1200)

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/kvntjX

OR

6600K w/ GTX 970 build ($1000)

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/hj2mYJ

Is it worth going insane for the 5820K? I plan on using whatever I build for like 8 years.
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>>52657755
If you plan on getting a good card along the way go for the 5820K, if you're just gaming on ultra for 4-5 years guar. go for the 6600K config.
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>>52657755

6600k with a gtx 970 3.5gb
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>>52657815
I might actually be able to snag the 970 with the 5820K build too instead of that 950, maybe.
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>>52647635
Same.

Thank you based microcenter & combo deals. Barring some tax free, free shipping, massive sale etailer, I will always buy my CPUs from Microcenter. In a lot of cases even after tax microcenter is cheaper, albeit not all times.
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>tfw 4790k for $250 on Black Friday
>in 2014
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I'm using an i5 4690 and I'm getting notified of a serious temperature issue. I think my CPU is the cause of some frame rate slowdowns in-game too. I have no clue whats causing this, it sure as hell isn't the paste or fans, as I replaced the paste and I have 4 fans pointed at the cpu on full
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>>52658010
fuck haswell, dude. i'd never touch one for that reason. they all get fucked up and start going at like 80c-100c for some reason I don't remember why exactly.
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>>52658068
I'm not even sure if it is REALLY a heating issue yet, my BIOS tells me its automatically jumping straight to 94'C. It goes from 54' (already not a good temperature when idle at 800mhz) but instantly jumps up to 98~ in Core Temp. is it normal for CPU temps to jump that quickly?
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>>52658128
your motherboard is destroying your CPU, protip
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>>52658153
It's been going strong for the past 2 months, care to elaborate?
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>>52658170
i don't really remember, but haswells will randomly just start going to crazy temperatures because the motherboard is fucking with it and is basically frying your CPU or some shit. I don't remember enough
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It feels like it may be a problem with the motherboard reading it incorrectly or some shit. either way, I may have to give intel a call and ask if the 4690s have a history of heating issues. If they can re-compensate me for it, I'll buy another 1150 socket cpu
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>>52658287
all of the haswells have heating issues. type in "4790k heating problem" into google.
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>about to finally purchase my build
>6600K goes out of stock the moment before I order
i'm about to fucking cry
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>>52640818
Maybe not via multiplier... I'm overclocking an E5-1660 here via FSB. Granted, not by much.

...wait, why would you buy a Xeon to overclock?

[bought the E5-1660 four years ago. Just looked around to upgrade, it seems it's still the fastest WS processor. Not that I'm complaining, but WTF?]
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