This thread is about the appreciation of watches, as well as the micro-engineering and materials engineering that is required to make a fine watch.
Required viewing for newbies:
I love the look of the movement, just like my stowa.
Manlet strap hole puncher
>MADE IN CHINA
Post it again Mayne, let everyone else appreciate it
Just not a fan of the aesthetics, to be honest, I'm aware the finish and quality would be something to appreciate but I can't really do that over an Internet forum. You get 10 poimts for not buying into the mountain Jew
It's not bad, I prefer smaller watches for aesthetics amd there lightness. A pilot watch or a field watch is next on my list
Favourite style is dress anyway. Don't find all that much appealing outside dress watches besides a few
>people find out Stowa cases made in China got onto other, cheap watches
>people rightfully call out owner
>he is effusive and without saying "cases are made in China" reveals they sure as hell ain't made in Germany
>watch brand fanboys shill relentlessly
>few people demanding straight up: are the fucking cases made in Germany or not? Get swarmed by fanboys and attacked and given text walls that say the same thing: the cases are not German
>shill owner doesn't bother showing up again because his fanboys do all the work for him
Yeah man. Fuck that company and their gay owner who can't even shill properly.
You want a German watch? Sinn or Damasko
You think he just started this outsourcing now because lol? No, when he inherited the company he made it more profitable. Read: cutting corners. Your case is Chinese and he's been using Chinese cases for years
Note: he never ever noted where any cases at any.time under his ownership had been made. Meaning.they all would suffer.from the not German rap.
The guy is a crook just like most watch producers these days
Sinn or Damasko. If you're smart and/or unscrupulous, get that serviced, pawn it off on some schlub who buys the marketing and buy a Sinn.
Straight from the FAQ on their site:
""Even under Schauer's aegis, these have been turbulent times for Stowa, with a lot of pressure being exerted on prices.The young team in Engelsbrand has managed to release this pressure in two ways: on the one hand, Schauer has been systematically and successfully looking for component manufacturers with a more favourable pricing structure, including those in the Far East, he admits. On the other hand, he emphasised that "80 percent of the value of Stowa watches is created in Europe". The company's marketing policy has been changed as well: from a traditional brand to direct sales. Schauer has been selling Stowa almost exclusively on-line for almost three years now (www.stowa.com) or directly from his workshop. Stowa watches have become clearly cheaper as a result of more favourable purchasing terms and the elimination of dealer profit margins"
Chinese rip off dealer man
>80% of value
>case: 30 euro from Chinaman
>labour of engraving STOWA on rotor in Germany: 70 Euro
Heu heu heu more European value :^)
Stowa: not even once
No they are not
You got shekeled m8 sorry to say
Why would the Chinese use imported industry? They have enough tooling themselves, engineers aplenty, and a willingness to rip off anything
I'm really sorry man because you probably bought a cool watch based on the best info you had, and you got shekeled as a direct result. That watchs case is as German as I am
Which is to say Chinese
On the topic of german watch cases, anyone have any experience with watch parts from www.german-watch-shop.com? Thinking of getting this case for a project watch. Surprised to see them listing it as 8.8mm in height which is a lot thinner than any automatic I currently own.
It's 42mm, definitely the largest watch I've ever owned, but even on my relatively small wrists it doesn't look out of place
Basically yes but cheaper. This watch is ~535 while the flieger is over twice that at ~1160, and they both have an ETA 2824-2 movement, though Stowa obviously has more history with pilots watches if that's the kind of thing that matters to you. I believe the Stowas hands are also heat-treated while Archimede uses painted hands. The crown on the Stowa is also a uniform shape versus tapered, the dial is 1mm greater in diameter, and uses a slightly different font.
Those differences weren't worth a price difference over $600, so I went with the Archimede.
I ordered a Chronos disc. Will ship out in May.
I would love the idea of my wrist lighting up to notify me of shit.
I've owned a smartwatch and I basically used it to alert me of incoming emails and calls.
Hated the form factor. So this disc would be interesting.
My accutron seems to run more accurately with modern 1.5v batteries than with a 1.33v accucell. I am guessing that that means that it has been regulated to run with 1.5v batteries.
There are six firms in Switzerland making watch movements, and they don't sell to the public.
The names you see in these threads are the companies who design the cases, faces and hands (and sometimes the bands) that house these movements.
The people at CES who tested it out say it works pretty well.
Also i use a NATO strap, so it would be pretty tightly secured between my wrist and the plate.
If it doesn't work out i can simply return it. But if it works out ill be pretty happy.
This watch is no fucking Swatch and this movement is not a dressed up ETA.
Luxury products are a little wierd. They have to have the price tag to match a luxury product otherwise they won't be seemed to be exclusive
Other watch brands usually increase quality and marketing to compensate for the high price tag, panerai however do not do this. They charge to much for a arguably gaudy watch
If you want to have a serious chat I'd be more then happy to help. What's ypur budget? And don't let someone on the Internet influence you too much, of you really like panerai you should consider getting one, just keep In mind that there are better watches in terms of value for money
I like grand seiko, but if you are a watch novice it might be a brand to avoid. Rolex are great, but are quite expensive, new omegas are nearly as bad as panerai but have some lovely watches. JLC are quite a good brand
Do a bit of reading, amd take your time, you don't want to spend a lot of money on a watch which you grow to not be terribly fond of, it tends to happen with a lot first watch purchases
Although this watch is a bit played out and a bit pricey, Rolex submariner is a high end watch intended originally for diving. People will more then likely recognise it (good or a bad thing for some people)
All watches classed as luxury watches (not bullshit fashion watches that cost a lot but deliver very little) are durable. All modern watches are to an extent, but that depends.
What were you planning on doing whilst wearing the watch that you need it to be "durable"?
Just get a gshock.
>I just do a lot of trekking and free running
Yeah don't bother.
Just get a gshock or casio protrek.
You could look at a luxury brand's quartz offerings, but why bother?
Wear according to your environment. The constant jolting running causes isn't exactly prime for mechanical movements and if you fall and smash it you're going to be wishing you'd bought the infinitely cheaper and indestructible gshock instead unless you can just shovel cash away lke there's no tomorrow (in which case you wouldn't be asking this here in the first place).
Is there seriously anything other than the brand that makes this watch worth 5k though? It must be a pretty fucking amazing quartz movement to achieve that valuation in heavily used condition
That company is capable of so much but all they're known for is that on model that makes up 50%+ of their total sales, so I get why they push it. They know people buy it right up.
I know a guy that has a collection with only variants of this model, but I just don't see the attraction.
Why do so many hate Panerai styling? I find it simple yet elegant, masculine yet not shouting. I've had watches with much more complicated dials than this but I like the dial a lot. Its just easy to read also, brings back a sense of the old times when you had to have a watch.
Its also pretty versatile, not a in a dressy sense, but can be taken to the gym with rubber strap, on leather for casual, and on the bracelet when your pimpin ya hoes.
Also the subdial seconds hand is a treat.
And movement is great, its nice to handwind a watch, and it looks biriful, even compared to my expensive swiss ones...
Thats pretty nicely decorated for a chink movement, I'm surprised. I actually like the panerai styling, I like it a lot, however I think they are way to expensive and are way to big. It appears most people here are manlets, I'm not, I just prefer smaller watches, if you are a manlet amd prefer smaller sized watches panerai are a no go, so naturally you hate on something you can't obtain
There's no reason to hate on ETA.
Hate should be reserved for those shitty brands that produce no innovation whatsoever and just drop off the shelf parts into their chinesegerman catalog cases to create hideous or bland and uninspired and totally overpeiced pieces of shit.
In fact good on the greedy swatch jew cutting supply of their movements; it's getting all the lazy, shitty brands up and in a panic to find or create an alternative themselves.
Only the strong and smart will survive.
Seiko lord matic 5606 with a busted quickset day and date worth how much? I saw one go for 60$ on ebay and there's another in similar condition hovering around there, that seems worth it almost.
Are the parts to fix it really scarce? I know it's like a plastic gear or whatever that tends to break on the 56xx seikos
I'm asking for 35€ but would accept 30€ since I'm not paying the shipping. That's what I paid for it back then and the after market leather strap is of a high quality, CCCP brand which is the new Slava. The strap is probably as much worth as the watch.
TL;DR: buy Vostok if you want truly in-house.
It all makes sense now.
Seems alright for a transitional piece, as far as the strap goes it won't really matter.
Guess i should be at fault for wanting to ask the same price for my Poljot because of the strap, and condition.
>tfw can't remember the last time adjusting my Amphibia
>tfw I wasn't a dumb shit and regulated it myself
Too bad that 100% gets soiled the moment you replace the shitty bracelet. Also classic Komandirskies and Amphibias are prob. 100% in-house while SE models likely have some foreign parts.
I like that color scheme. People will hate on PVD but I like the way it looks as it wears.
Vostok doesn't seem like such a huge company, why is it that they can be capable of producing everything when other luxury brands which surely have deeper pockets cannot? Is it just from necessity during the Soviet era when they had to produce it themselves because imports from the West were not an option, and now that they have the option of importing they just don't because they already have the capability themselves?
Another fact that I think is neat, by the way, is that the factory that became Raketa was actually a lapidary works in pre-revolutionary Russia. Their experience cutting jewels meant that they got put in charge of producing the bearing jewels for the whole Soviet watch industry.
Is the waffle strap what they come with?
I don't know if I understand the In house meme.
Like yeah is a feat of engineering or whatever to be able to make all the parts. But making them yourself doesn't necessarily make it better than another company who outsources some small parts
Socialist watch industry was already different from the Swiss watch industry that historically relied on small mom and pop watchmakers making different components, like springs, movements, jewels, cases, leather that all were supplied to watch factories. The Soviet industry relied on factories doing everything themselves (not just in watchmaking but everything) since everything was in the middle of nowhere with no means to outsource. It's just that Vostok has been relying on the same Soviet production equipment for decades.
I think it became a thing with globalism, Swiss factories being able to get components not just from the watchmaker in the neighboring village, but from another continents (made by gook children for a dollar a day).
I genuinely don't give a shit who makes hands, hairsprings, indeces. And if the movement is good, especially for the money, I don't much care either. Pretty much same for cases though I look for good construction and finishing.
You have to understand that whilst many Russians from the richer areas and younger generation look down on them they still have a huge domestic market. In Russia one costs about 20 USD at highest in rubles for a komandirskie. Usually closer to 10-15. 30 maybe or 40 for an Amphibian.
They still have a huge number of workers whose labour is cheap and also desired to keep in Russian. There's been rumours the factory might shut down I doubt it it's a huge industry by all accounts making some money and for certain getting at least some Patriotic welfarebux
Better for us end users because we get glorious Russian made watches for dimes compared to anything else made by actual skilled technicians, who being from Chistopol many times had family members work in the same factory
Of course the reason it existed was for the socialist country to have domestic production which was seen as vital for defence and independence and this eas true. Also lead to the Komandirskie so awesome
Not necessarily better, but many times iy is good. The Russian bras cases probably aren't as good as steel Chinese ones buy they're much cheaper and still good quality for what they are. They are also made according to their traditions in Russia
I love Chinese watches ehat I hate is being charged more than they're worth because some unscrupulous company with marketing shekels makes me pay it. Case in point Stowa. They charge German prices for Chinese parts
See that's true. If I can get a quality case for cheaper, that's great, but you are absolutely right that many companies will pay 20$ for their outsourced case, 200$ for the movement (if they are going to use ETA), and charge 800$ for the watch
How the fuck is Rolex owned by a private charity anyway? That's some pretty slippery mountain jew shit. But yes, Rolex is one of the few companies that managed to stay truly independent and privately owned and didn't get sucked into some shitty conglomerate.
>They own Tudor which serves as an "affordable" brand.
They own and design tudor, but don't make it.
The outsource production to and as of yet unknown swiss compsnyiand they oversee final qc and assembly.
So don't think you're getting an affordable sister brand like american tourister is to smsonite or whatever if you buy one (clueless consumers are under this impression lhey don't even use rolex calibers, just standard eta.
Regardless, their qc work on tudor is great.
Last I checked they didn't make their hands (a weird thing to source imo), and some other small parts. But maybe that's changed. I know they make the vast majority of their own stuff, including their own gold and steel
>How the fuck is Rolex owned by a private charity anyway?
When the founder died he left the company to a trust in his name that still runs the company.
Slippery mountain jew magic indeed, as there's some kind of massive gaping mountain sized vagina tax hole involved iirc.
This outsourcing is only rumored and not confirmed.
I do like their black bays, but would prefer a rolex caliber inside rather than an eta.
Little better than your typical sub homage that litter the market.
>or are they meant to do something "charitable" with profits?
They do stuff. I recall something about a charitable watchmaking school so even their charity leads to company gains since the graduates all join rolex.
I don't know what they give out.
Since it's a private entity and not a public company there's scant public accesible info about them.
It wouldn't surprise me. I don't understand why people expect every watch company to be its own fucking island totally independent and unaware of the rest of the industry and totally unreliant on outside help. Of course they all communicate with each other and buy things from each other and rip off of each other's popular designs and innovations. Historically the whole Swiss industry was a big backwards cousinfucking family where everybody would buy things from everybody else from small parts to whole ebauches. Then suddenly I guess it became cool to make everything yourself so they all had to pretend that they're all "in-house" and always have been.
The only companies that have always been serious about "in-house" and vertical integration have been companies like Seiko and Citizen and the Soviet factories, and they all did that out of necessity and isolation from the rest of the industry and not because it's actually inherently better. Half the Swiss companies all come from a tiny little valley, there's no reason why they shouldn't ever have collaborated.
I tried on the Heritage Chrono Blue in a store and it was difficult to walk away from it. There's an anon who posts sometimes in /wt/ with one. I love the colours.
>including their own gold and steel
This is exceedingly rare.
Few (fewer than those that make their own in house movements) make their own cases in steel or anything else from scratch like rolex does. They don't have the infrastructure for it.
This is why I'm fonder of Damasko over Sinn as far as German brands go; damasko make their own cases and movements (they can, some are still eta) but Sinn outsources both these essentials.
In fact damasko used to make sinn's cases for them when old helmut sinn himself ran his company but when he was chased out or whatever mr. damasko found that he couldn't work with the new ceo.
Niw sinn gets sugg to make their cases.
Also funny while we're on the topic of Rolex's history and their obsession with muh in-house. Rolex was founded in London by two German and English partners to import watches from Switzerland or later to assemble them themselves from Swiss movements and British cases. They only moved to Switzerland later to avoid wartime taxes.
Tudor with their ETA movements and alleged outsourcing is more true to Rolex history than actual modern Rolex is.
There's one of those schools in my state. It's free tuition but students have to supply their own tools (they estimate 7k in costs), and it's 5 day a week 10 hour a day program or something like that.
There is no housing so I would need to rent an apartment in the area and with that class schedule that might be difficult to afford because most jobs that have the flexible hours would have shit wages
Some speculation: due to the socialist economy being socialist and the people being relatively poor, they probably didn't go full SHUT ALL THE FACTORIES DOWN AND FIRE THE WATCHMAKERS when quartz happened.
>There's been rumours the factory might shut down
Gotta hope that doesn't happen. If it does though, I'll buy like 4-6 more Vostoks and some parts. I love these watches.
That said I honestly doubt that. They're trendy/popular among watch fans/hipsters and they can afford to push out special editions all the time, and as you said, I'm sure they sell pretty well in Russia as well (imagine if you could buy truly US made watches for $20 in the US, that'd be popular as shit)
This is not psuedoscience. The accutrons used to use batteries made out of mercury that ran at 1.33v. Those batteries can not be sold in the US anymore. The new batteries use silver, and they run at 1.5v. You have to either have the watch adjusted/insert a transistor, or get a battery that runs at the proper voltage to fix the speed issue.
>I don't understand why people expect every watch company to be its own fucking island totally independent and unaware of the rest of the industry and totally unreliant on outside help. Of course they all communicate with each other and buy things from each other and rip off of each other's popular designs and innovations. Historically the whole Swiss industry was a big backwards cousinfucking family where everybody would buy things from everybody else from small parts to whole ebauches. Then suddenly I guess it became cool to make everything yourself so they all had to pretend that they're all "in-house" and always have been.
This is a very good point and something everyone here should be aware of when ranting against non-inhousery.
The swiss watchmaking industry managed to surpass the english, french and german makers pre-ww1 not only because of their engineering contributions to the science, but also because their production was essentially factory assembly line style with entire towns doing one part or section or other. How else could your beat the behemoth that invented the industrial revolution in the first place?
You look at the history of JLC or Piaget (especially poor piaget - it's the least respected yet historically important watch companies) - they all made ebache's (naked movements with or without escapements) for practically every other brand out there. Piaget used to supply longines, omega, AP and rolex.
Many, many patek philippe or vacheron & constantin (so, top of the pops) used JLC ebauches or innovations.
The swiss watchmaking industry is one of the most incestuous (figuratively and literally, as far as the workers go at any rate) ever devised by man.
>tfw have the money for a new Speedy but don't want to give the jews my money
Also, is there a reason that Jomashop sells the Hesalite version new for the same price as a used one on ebay or chrono24?
However, in this day and age people have come to expect "more". And by people what I really mean is us losers: those that give more than a mild shit what's ticking away inside there because you can be sure as hell that 99% of people that go into a watch shop to buy something don't give a rat's ass and just want something that looks nice or something that they think will increase their social worth.
>"no mista I no wan Lange becos no wan kno i have money i need rolex or patek"
But with the autistes that have enough money to spend on something costiler and more superfluous than a casio, we all like to know what's under the hood.
I think a lot of people (quite rightly) take issue when they discover that any given brand is really just a casemaker (if even that) rather than a watchmaker. But that's watch BRANDS for you.
But then they ask: why does it cost this much here, when the parts are identical to the parts in this cheaper brand?
(fucking tag and panerai)
Autists wan't to know where their money is going, or, rather, they want to know the degree of ripoffery.
It's all a rip, but in degrees.
And it really is just us.
I used to hang around a watch store when I was a student and the worker there was nice enough to indulge me and not chase me away. I was chatting to him about the old smegma railmasters when some oblivious guy blew into the store asking to look at such and such.
Watch guy shows it to him (think it was oris), and then the guy asks:
>"My friend's into watches and said I should ask if this brand has "in-house movements", whatever that means."
Me and watch guy shared a look as I left the store that said: oh great, another fucking faggot that's been lurking WUS and spreading his half-formed opinions and autism everywhere.
So, there's nothing wrong with eta shit. Just be aware of the degree of ripoff you are experiencing with any given brand.
But remember: it's all a ripoff.
A osama-casio or a your fucking phone tells the time.
Some brands use exclusively ETA (or other stock) movements - or eta clones: sellita and soprod - these are coming around more because swatch is going to totally stop selling it's movements to brands outside of the group by next year, so these enterprising cloners have stepped up to make the common eta movements everyone uses whose patents have long expired.
Some brands will use these stock movements straight, others will pretty them up a bit, others will tinker with them, others will modify them heavily so the base may be the same, but it's recognizable to the base any longer.
1.Using a stock movement?
Let's just say it's a swiss! or japan! movement and leave it at that.
2.Adding a rotor with the company logo?
Let's call it our AC123 Caliber!
3.Use an innovative new silicon escapement?
Our AB123 caliber!
4.Modify the fuck out of the base movement such that even stock parts will no longer even work with it?
Our AC123 caliber! (nomos does this with their older calibers - their new shit is all theirs).
So it's all in degrees, with the only reprehensible one being 1 and 2, since they add no value of their own but it's only an issue if you're being extorted price wise.
One thing about stock movements: they are infinitely easier to get repaired, and there are spares lying around that will last centuries.
Your obscure in-house brand that lies in a dead volcano in madagascar that's only accessible every 2 leap years when the moon is full and venus is in the eighth house or uranus?
Guess where you've gotta send your shit if anything goes wrong.
You can learn to fix and eta movement yourself online.
This is only about movements; I didn't go into cases, hands, dials and all other shit since that's a whole other can of fuckery.
Sorry for all the spelling and grammatical mistakes - I've not slept in a day and am fueled by coffee and paranoia.
>believing the mountain jew
Swiss watches literally had to ban Seiko from Swiss Watch competitions because they kept winning and stealing prestige in accuracy and complications. I can only wonder what the brand landscape would look like if they continued.
>I'm sure they sell pretty well in Russia as well
When it all fell apart so did a lot of these companies and industries not only because of lack of govt support, but also because of no enduring local consumer support.
I'd bet that vostok and the other russians export more watches than they sell internally.
Soviets just didn't want their domestically produced stuff and got all the juicy foreign shit they'd always heard about when it was all over.
It's sad. I remember a thread on /co/ where a russian was lamenting that when they were opened up to the west russian kids no longer wanted to watch their old cartoons, and now they're essentially forgotten and the animators that strove so hard to at least provide the children living under communism some token of joy remain unknown and unremembered.
I think something similar happened with watches.
Jomashop is pretty cheap and chrono24 is pretty expensive. $3500 is less than MSRP new but it's more than common ebay used prices.
I didn't buy prestige, I bought a watch.
Well Omega has always been very popular in Japan (see for instance the metric fucking asston of reduced speedmasters for sale in Japan for cheap) and Seiko was very interested in acquiring them when Omega was circling the drain in the late 70s. However the Swiss government intervened and bailed out Omega and then Nicolas Hayek came along and bought them up instead. I honestly truly believe Omega would've been better off under Seiko as a prestige semi-independent Credor or GS tier brand than under Swatch as an emaciated well milked cash cow, but oh well.
I think the ref numbers are different on some of them. I don't know the specifics though. The above searched ref number is the same as the one on Jomashop for $3.5k.
Jomashop is a greymarket dealer.
I wouldn't deal with them anyway.
Read the blowback on the typical forums concerning some faggots' experiences.
May not have an issue, or may have an expensive issue.
Do your research, and buy the seller not the item.
Ironically enough, despite all the triumphs and superiority of seiko (real or weebmagined), japs in japland hunger, just like thirsty fucks the world over, for "Swiss Made".
They want their Rolex, their Patek Philippe, their Omega and every other brand with a massive advertising budget.
Grand seiko, apart from the odd special boutique, are not as highly regarded internally as the slavering weeaboo would have you expect.
It's sad, but it's true.
The swiss have everyone fooled that they are the best forever, it's part of their magic (that and keeping out of european wars).
Hopefully the nascent german uhrenfabrik will help the japs blast the mountain jews that deserve blasting off their pinnacles.
The Damasko patriarch and Sinn CEO apparently hate each other. I don't know but it sounds plausible as they had a great collaboration and now won't acknowledge each other
However Sinn does make its own cases in a roundabout case. They aren't made in Frankfurt but they are in Glashutte by SUG, who is their wholly owned subsidiary and make cases for other brands but mostly for Sinn. Sinn even made watches and cases for other companies like Bell and Ross back in the day.
This isn't fully true. People weren't as poor as you think or as hard done by, especially those in industrial (especially light industrial) trades. However for certain they retained the industry because they were made for national planned consumption rather than market. Still great watches. The factory won't close though I feel it's only ever been rumours and for certain they receive enough business and state support to operate.
Quads confirm epic post definitely love it
Also love your hatred for WUS faggots. And I agree ETA is fine but so long ad the product is good
As a born and bred second genner this is true. My Chinese relatives are tasteless fucks especially the ones still in Hong Kong
I think this is partially true. Therr are certianly however people who are buying Vostok in Russia because it's cheap or muh nostalgia. However the global market is also keeping it alive so that's true
About culture this is absolutely true. The era of socialism actually had quite a rich culture, even in the above-board world and it was forgotten or destroyed in large part largely by the younger generation. Partially by apathy and partially by design. Gorbachev and ultimately Yeltsin wanted to destroy socialist ideas and Soviet nostalgia and went out of their way to demonize and destroy images of the past which was Unsuccessful with the older generations but worked with the younger who had never lived under socialism.
>I do like their black bay
But the C60 Trident has 90% of the looks and the same movement for £2k less.
I recall reading some account of some guy getting sent something that was just dodge - whether it was all out fake or mishmash franken, I can't remember.
But regardless, if you're aiming at low end swatch group stuff, something relatively inexpensive like hamilton or tissot or mido or whatever, then why not go grey market? But if you're shelling out for something that costs much more, well, you're going to want to purchase from somewhere official, and AD so that you get the damn warranty.
Cheap stuff? Why not. Over a grand? I would look elsewhere or at least research the fuck out of joma before clicking buy.
I think they do some weird practices where they don't stock most of their merchandise, like there is no giant joma shop warehouse with thousands of rolexes and oris et cetera.
They probably drop ship with the companies who let them and and just make orders scarcely with those who don't. They might only order their own stock after most of that order is already sold
Long live the Nazi-Nippone- I mean, German-Japanese alliance. Remove fondue
Don't buy from Jomashop
They are Jews and also just ship shit in via whatever back channel means they have to ship it to you. You're better off on watchrecon
>The Damasko patriarch and Sinn CEO apparently hate each other. I don't know but it sounds plausible as they had a great collaboration and now won't acknowledge each other
I seem to recall reading that when Mr.Sinn ran Sinn Damasko and them did fine. But the exact circumstances of H.Sinn's exit from his own company are cloudy and I don't believe it was an amicable transfer. Sinn's come on the record and says that he "deeply regrets" the sale and has since started another company. Whether he was chased out of his own company as I seem to remember reading or not, I'm not sure.
But yeah, the Sinn/Damasko partnership dissolved after that. I think Helmut Sinn was great friends with Konrad Damasko, and may have aided him in setting up his own watch brand.
>by SUG, who is their wholly owned subsidiary
Oh I didn't know that (although I should have since you are right Sinn did make cases for Bell & Fag before). So it's like what Grand Seiko do with their little gimp casemaking company.
Yeah for sure Helmuts exit from Sinn is shrouded in mystery and he's quite bitter about the trajectory they've taken and his role outside of it since.
I'm inclined to agree. Whilst they still make superb watches, they have clearly raised their prices and began doing something Helmut was always against: glossy presentation and marketing (even if unofficial). In addition the new owner has made many new models many of which are fashiony or trendy. I love my 856 and would gladly own another Sinn but they clearly have shortcomings and have been causing costs to rise whilst attracting a different demographic. And of course alienating the Damasko family. If their children are anything to gauge by, they are lovely people who are probably very hard to piss off.
SUG for its part is great because it makes actual German cases. Whilst Bell and Fag are expensive marketing based shit their Sinn models and designs were actually good. There was a time they did just make functional tool watches.
Then they just milked it for everything it's worth
Pretty much everything non standard is not in house. The dial, the hands, the crown, the bracelet.
The factory already went bankrupt once. It's currently on the rise, and I'm sure their military contract helps. They will be slowly upgrading their equipment to better compete with global brands but they are still doing okay as is.
The Komandirskie actually does immensely well domestically. The Amphibian not so much.
What do you guys think of Obris Morgan? I'm looking to get the explorer II in a couple of weeks
>went bankrupt once
That was a rumour about it closing when it was just shutting down for Christmas. Came from a few years back. They're gonna be good though. Didn't realize they had a military contract but it makes sense.
As for the Komandirskie I knew it did because it was cheap and iconic.
Oh you mean the obese piece of shit created by a cynical marketing team to appease arab shit and chinese scum?
Sorry Mohammed bin Wangchinxiao, I don't share your ideal of aesthetics.
it may have larger lugs or whatever that should be called but jesus, its a really modest sized watch either way
people wear far larger seiko divers and whatnot all the time
The watch has 42mm diameter without the crown, and lug to lug distance is 51mm.
I have small wrists so I think that's about the biggest watch I can wear without looking ridiculous
Will there be any other WIS memers (besides me and the wakmann extrordinaire) coming to the Rolex 24 this weekend?
I might be going. The 'ol lady entered for tickets in the Orlando MINI owners group raffle thing. I really want to go but can't rightfully pay for it right now.
I have a BR01 with an olive drab nylon strap though in case you spot me.
Agreed, I love my special edition PAM318L. It's nice and big so it's easy to see at the club, all the bimbos notice and compliment me on my expensive watch and then they go home with me and have sex with me after I buy them expensive stuff. I even have one of the super special recalled early models with the unique movement finishing, so I know my watch is a great investment which will be worth even more to collectors in the future. I like it so much that I bought 27 different straps for it and now my bedroom is completely covered in Sylvester Stallone movie posters.
This board has a weird fascination on watches that look dull as fuck, just look at 90% of the boring shit that is posted here.
If I ever spend serious money on a luxury watch, I'll make sure that I get something different rather than the usual Submariner or Seamaster.
that or he's just a goddamn retard who doesn't know shit about how technology functions
its a common issue on old cameras as well, their light meters may be unreliable with todays batteries
thats sort of a boring watch as well desu baka bbq senpai
It may only just look big, but nu-rolex is fucking fugyly as fuck and a travesty to its history and heritage.
It's a step away from panerai, bling bling nigger shit.
At least there's one or two models that have resisted the change.
Vintage (pre2012) Rolex > current dubai by way of beijing styling
>tfw i think my fake looks better than a modern rolex
i feel you there bro
half of that shit i swear is just to help agasint clones
but tis sad my rep looks better than a modern real rolex
This is timeless design.
in 10 years time the current sub will look like shit
Anon please don't be a retard. Different types of batteries have different properties: some maintain their tension better while the current slowly drops, some maintain the current as the tension drops or fluctuate...
Old electronics were much more dependant on the power source, while modern ones have power regulation circuits making up for the differences in power sources.
Thus old electronics are easily disturbed by improper power sources. This is valid for anything, from radio players whose frequencies are fucked up, to the first electronic cameras whose light meters and shutter times were easily altered by improper batteries.
It's because mercury button cells were honestly much better than anything we have today aside from obvious environmental concerns. Mercury batteries have a very constant voltage over their entire life so they don't require any compensation for changing voltage unlike modern batteries which steadily lose voltage over their entire life which has to be corrected for with more circuitry.
How much did that Credor cost last thread? Damn thing looks awesome, but i think am a bigger fan of the simpler version
The leddit watch discussions are infinitely worse.
Of course it is
/wt/ isn't half as bad as here or even WUS which is nothing but sychophants trying to justify purchases that they shouldn't have made considering their circumstances.
>hates for no good reason
Not that far off the mark (serious)
If you consider yourself in good company when you find yourself in the midst of an orgy consisting of:
>gulf arab jabba the hutts
>mainland chinese nouveu riche that smell of sweat and soya sauce with 5" wrists
>guido types that would fellate a 5ft tall orange stallone if they met him who buy panerai because they think it's italian kek
Then please, feel free to buy a panerai.
Pic related, that's what you'll get:
A stock, unaltered, unregulated movement thrust into a case of unknown providence and rammed up your loose asshole for the measly price of $9000.
Remember, it's a collector's item you will pass down to your anal-spawn for generations!
Less than half of what my GS cost. Pretty good deal, really.
You should see it in person. I really wasn't a huge fan of the model when I saw the initial images online.
I assume you are getting auto-corrected from Credor every time you say credit. Unless you are trying to suggest I'm pulling an Archie here, which I am not.
At least it was painted by qt nipponese heighth of cleanliness rather than some disgusting bangladeshi slave with shit all over their hands.
If you open the caseback of a hmt shit will ooze out. True fact.
I'm going to to put the watch in the pic for sale on eBay tomorrow or in Thursday, depends when i get some time. Raketa will be put up too.
Not enough light here to take a proper picture of the movement (And also using a shite camera).
Crappy joke mostly.
But if that's the power reserve indicator, it reminds me of windshield wiper.
It's hard to tell with my shitty phone camera, but even the date wheel is textured.
Well I can assure you I have not pulled an Archie, I don't owe any money.
And yes, that's a PR indicator. Pointing to the hallow circle means no power, the filled in circle is half, the filled in circle with the circle around it is full
I'll probably post a link in the WUS /f29/ forum.
Though otherwise i don't think it'll matter much if i post the link here.
Since I'll be asking 35 euros for the watch with only the Bund strap (or 38 euros for it with the nato in the 2nd pic too) plus what ever the shipping costs for it will be (Shouldn't be more the 10$).
I didn't really think you did pull an Archie.
>The Komandirskie actually does immensely well domestically. The Amphibian not so much.
I wonder what the reason is for this.
Is it just the designs? Or is it purely because the Koms are cheaper?
>You can get a much better watch for this price. You can get an actually decent watch for $40.
Can you? I never visited this thread because I thought you guys are snobs that pay at least several hundred for your watches. What would you recommend @ 50$?
I'm less regimented with my money than I should be, I just make sure my savings continue to grow.
Probably like six months or so ago I decided I had up to 5k to spend on a watch. I looked at watches online, looked at watches in store, looked at more online, bought a man on the moon and decided I didn't like it and sold it, looked at watches in stores, including a lot in Hong Kong, looked at more online and then eventually acquired this.
>including a lot in Hong Kong
Can you recommend any stores that aren't dodge?
I've been browsing the Kenwatches shop since it's one of the few that gets feedback on the typical forums.
Curious: in your watch hunt in HK, did you see many 2nd hand grand seiko's?
Did you recall their selling price vis a vis street prices?
God just take the fucking chinese-german cock out of your mouth for five seconds you cuck.
Of course, you'd be banned forever if you said this in their paid for shill platform that is the stowa board.
Now on a new strap.
Shouldn't be much of an issue, assuming it's the continental US and you have no issues with kikes; shipping should be somewhere in the 10~15 USD region.
Also consider pic related as to why i'm waiting for a lil bit of sunlight to take pics.
I've been wanting to get into this but all their designs look like something from a Chernobyl gift shop. Do they have more contemporary designs for their diving watches?
I've also seen Vostok-Europe, is that as legit?
>imagine if you could buy truly US made watches for $20 in the US, that'd be popular as shit
I know ball is shit for various reasons.
I know that this is tacky and dumb.
But I just lurve glowing shit and I want a moonphase that has a glowy moon.
Anyone else want absolutely useless complications that just look nice?
It was my fathers. He had a few of them because his name is Scott. Pretty tough to fix up as it's not meant to come apart.
This one runs and drives though.
Getting this Raketa 24h in the mail soon, which strap should I get for it? The black leather strap it comes with looks boring.
You could try a chunky flieger type brown strap?
Avoid the crocodile print types though.
I've said it before: everyone here should try a 24hr dial for a week and see how you like it.
Plastic Escapement runs like a champ.
When and why did people suddenly get bad taste?
Is it because new manufactoring methods allow for more tacky shit?
I'm not sure if this is a plastic roller jewel or possibly ceramic? Never took a good look at it.
Trembly hairspring probably due to the odd angle I had to hold the watch at for the shot.
I had this just arrived to put on my Dirskie.>>52635838
Really nice strap, and i like the feel and the buckle.
Though it doesn't feel like like real buffalo leather Rios strap i also got in the mail. But it's very good for the price.
Edges make it look like plastic imo.
Thanks for the suggestion anon but I should have mentioned that I don't like flieger straps. I own a Laco flieger myself and changed the strap for a Zulu after a week.
Btw could you post your 24h? I'm really excited about it since it will be the most interesting in my collection, I guess I will need some time to get used to it.
Honestly 9gag I find your taste questionable. You could replace Credor with Fossil on that dial and I would not suspect anything. Credor is great for minimal dressy stuff in precious metals or the crazy haute horlogerie shit, but their watches with tons of useless subdials which overlap in price with the GS line are total garbage compared to GS.
I was going to get one of these but I was concerned about legibility. The dial is a bit cluttered.
is there a special cherny watch?
i need it to add to my collection of books and recently acquired liquidator medals (never issued, and i will never wear them, i'm not about to be a meme )
All the good Seiko designers seemed to have retired.
Here's one from a trustworthy seller.
He has another one without an inner bezel but much nicer looking.
Though it seems he isn't around to negotiate.
And the nearby town is also the source of most of their lume.
All the good chrono designers everywhere died, I guess. No brand can make a fucking chrono that looks half decent these days without making it 50mm with 8 subdials and 3 tachymeters and a timezone bezel and a whole fucking novel of text crammed in wherever possible. Unless it's a rehash of a vintage design like the Carreras or that Tudor chrono or the same old Speedmasters, but even then they're usually just a little bit shittier than the watch they're aping.
Somehow Seiko accidentally made pic related as the first new good looking mechanical chrono in decades and the whole watch industry got together and decided oh no you can't do this, make it a limited edition.
I have a Volmax Aviator (not my pic, but it's my watch).
I got it years ago for the princely sum of 138 euro.
The few that remain now go for 300.
I replaced the croc print black leather strap (with a nice, signed black pvd buckle by the way) for a black pvd'd nato.
It's currently being packed up to be sent away for servicing.
Oh, one thing: non-quickset date is a fucking bitch.
Took for granted that simple feature found on my swiss and japs, god damn.
I am looking at the Sturmanskie Open Space 24hr.
My Aviator is hand wound, and though I like that I would much prefer an automatic, which this Sturm is.
It also has a screw down crown which is a nice upgrade from my aviator.
The black dials are scarce but the bronze ones seem to be in abundance. Maybe 300USD give or take shipped from a non-us dealer? Not accounting for taxes of course.
Check them out, they're larger than these old raketa's though (42mm vs 36mm), but have a totally new vostok movement within that I'm interested in.
I found that I had the same issue, and I'm the fag that slathers all over the idea of 24 watches.
Looked long and hard at a purist model glycine airman.
It is in fact the perfect watch for me, or the idea of it is.
A pure 24hr watch with a 24hr bezel that would allow me to track another timezone?
The mess of a dial?
Only the fuckhuge 24mm airman 17 fits it well, but then that's too big.
Let's say I were to say that I believed that the design was the same as a Fossil design, which it is not. The difference in execution should be obvious. The quality of the hair spring and balance wheel assembly is significantly different. The quality difference of virtually every component is large.
Can't tell you much else but that.
Mine has a 2324H movement as you can see and is in a perfect shape, the only flaw is that the World time rotating ring is in Latin while the dial is in Cyrillic, some people would say it's a Franken but I've seen so many 24h's like this and even promotional watches for Russian companies which also have that Latin/Cyrillic combination so I don't believe it's a Franken desu.
By the looks it would be easier to have the 24h hand tracking the other timezone and keep the rotating bezel fixed on your own timezone lined up with the markers on the dial but that shouldn't have to be the case. I ended up with my Sinn 144 GMT instead for tracking another timezone.
I had a Poljot Aviator 3133 from around 2003 that had good lume. It still glowed faintly the next morning.
There are frankens and frankens. Yours has a case, dial, crystal, movement etc that is appropriate for the watch. The inner bezel is largely irrelevant when it's for the same model of watch.
Oh yeah, if you do pursue a glycine, you have to keep in mind that, at least for their standard non-chrono airman line there's two types of each model:
A 3-hand purist model that is a true 24hr watch where the hour hand takes that long to make a full revolution, and the other type with 4 hands that's just a conventional watch with a gmt hand and a complicated dial.
The latter makes much more sense considering the relatively cluttered dial, which is wasted on the standard model and unnecessary.
You just now realized?
> implying a watch that has been built by the same factory workers using the same parts and tools is not a Raketa
> unplying you are right
Just a daily reminder that this exists.
>"this rolex can't even tell time better than a 20 dollar casio, why should I buy it?"
>a watch to commemorate the worst nuclear disaster in history
I don't think so senpai. But would be an interesting piece if they had one based on the opening of the plant or something. Kinda jelly that you have some liquidator medals. The event and aftermath always interested me.