/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

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T460s internals:
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/column/ubiq/20160119_739602.html

>1 RAM slot
>no removable battery but there's still 2 batteries inside

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>>52540224
>dat sexy rollcage

The fact that the keyboard is directly mounted on to a solid rollcage = no keyboard flex.

Only problem is that the keyboard drain holes on the T460s has been removed, they are using a waterproof liner instead.

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X250

i5-5200u
8GB RAM
128 GB SSD
1366x768

$700 -- yay or nay?

Is it possible -- or even easy -- to upgrade the panel to something decently resolved? Or is 1080p overkill anyway?

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>>52540224
When will they learn?

>>52541340

That's a nice design -- if you want your machine to get full of dust and run hot as hell.

Anybody has some experience with a X300?

A local site sells one for around half the long-term price of the ThinkPad guide.

Would it still hold up for casual shitposting and watching Chinese cartoons under GNU/Linux?

>just recieved my new genuine 9-cell
>Panasonic cells (made in Japan)
>96% wear, basically perfect condition

Debian reports upwards 9 hours of usage with conservative settings, Windows says 8 hours.

>I just wrapped it in newspaper and put it in my drawer.
>I put back my 55% worn 6-cell because I don't want to wear my 9-cell down...

>I'll only pull out my 9-cell if I need dat sweet battery life and decided keep using my 6-cell when I'm at home.

Is this rational behaviour or it's just that my autismo levels have increased since I fell for the T420 meme?

>>52541340
hopefully never.
now sorry, I'm going to upgrade my ram.

>>52541304
>1366x768
Why would you want to buy a TV from ten years ago?

>>52541864
I'd just use the 9 cell. $100 isn't much for 3 years of service. I really don't get battery paranoia.

>>52540224
no 2.5inch slot?

>>52541864
This is stupid. Unless you keep that battery at 50% all the time, it's going to wear down regardless. Don't buy things you're afraid to use.

>>52541864
that's not too bad as i get 4 hours with 8% wear on a 6 cell and a quad core.

>>52541928

No. The screen resolution is the only thing holding me back from pulling the trigger. I know that you can upgrade the display easily enough. IBM charges $230 for this FRU though, and the chinks don't seem to want to sell me anything.

Also, it comes with a WAN module that I'll never use (I'd rather have another SSD).

>>52541985
google the FRU and you might be able to find a panel, or a compatible one.

>>52542006

Yeah, I find plenty. I also find plenty of posts from people who say they've gotten something else with ghosting and shit, or people saying they've had great success with dead links to out of stock items. It's a nasty business, this. Maybe I'll just order a new X260.

>>52541985
Won't you void the warranty, though? And if you fuck up you're still out ~1k$ for nothing. Modern Lenovos are pretty messy inside, you'll basically have to disassemble the whole laptop to replace the panel, iirc. I wouldn't go for it, if I were you.

>>52540207

since the last op royally fucked up the last post i will post my question again

general concensus on this battery? http://www.amazon.com/AGDA%C2%AE7800mah-Battery-ThinkPad-7800mah-month%C2%A0warranty/dp/B014IWNVTM/ref=sr_1_17?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1453347100&sr=1-17&keywords=Thinkpad+T420+battery

will it give me cancer? i heard one of you bought it and liked it. what is it's out of the box capacity?

>>52542037
it's a bit iffy, just as you can replace FRUs if you're a service technician, but the average person is only allowed to replace CRUs, but if you keep the factory panel i doubt lenovo would know that you've switched it out.

>>52542091
I'd expect them to have void-the-warranty-stickers, that break if you open up stuff you're not supposed to. Although I don't remember seeing one on my x200s.

>>52541976
>>52541963
>>52541932

Alright anons. I'll set a 45-75% threshold though. And keep the 6-cell as a backup for when the 9-cell will deteriorate to an unusable level. Or, at that time, my laptop will be so old I wont't be afraid to put some aliexpress battery in it.

Does this sound better?

>>52542114
i don't think they use them due to companies who have bulk orders have their own tech support to repair them, to minimize the down time of having to ship the laptop to lenovo and waiting for it to be returned.

Is the thinkpad x1 any good?
Worth it for $280?

what condition is it in?

>>52542133
No. Use it like a normal person, charge to 100%, recharge at 20-30%. These things have their own charge management controllers.

Or sell it and buy a 3-cell, if that's what you want to use it like.

>>52542151
>>52542186
Unclear, bauer systems has one

>purchasing four t420's
>one for dedicated kali machine
>one for eryday linux usage
>one for dedicated winvirus7 for browser based gaming/low end old games ie: mx vs atv unleashed
>and lastly one for a friend
my previous laptop purchase was utter shit and i sold it off for way less than purchase price.
i want functional comps that i dont have to tear to pieces to fix hardware,or change a fucking battery etc.i'll be stockpiling t420 parts in the hope it "future proofs" me.

Picked up an x220 with gen 2 i5, 4gb ram and a 250gb hdd. Gonna install a 128gb msata ssd in it when it arrives.

>>52542205
K.

Can someone explain to me how PM works? If I set a 40-80% threshold, what happens if the battery reaches 80% when it's docked? Will the laptop run from AC and leave the battery alone, until I undock the laptop and use it unplugged?

I might be stupid but I don't get this...

Thinking about getting one for coding/ tinkering/ reading and shitposting.
Looked at the following models:
t410 150 Euro
t420 with 1400x900 screen 200 Euro
x220t 200 Euros

any recommendations?

>>52542961
i meant 1600x900

>>52542961
T420.

>>52543048
Thanks
just found an x220 for 165, how does that one stack up?

>>52543077
if you can cope with the lower res screen then get it.

>>52540224
>>no removable battery but there's still 2 batteries inside
WTF?
Especially since both seem to be placed at spots where they would be easily made removable with only a little latch in the body.
>>52540234
>>they are using a waterproof liner instead.
WTF?
And what am I going to do if I piss on it? Wait for the water to Evaporate, before I take it apart to really dry it out?
>>52541340
>When will they learn?
I dont know about how it runs, but I gotta admit, that looks much more like a well thought out design, than lenovos "lets throw some parts in and see what happens" approach. But in the end, what counts is how it runs, and how I can repair it, and so far, lenovo has managed that quite well.
But still, they could at least get rid of all that shitty stickers on every random part. WTF is up with that? Looks like they source their parts from best buy or radio shack.

>>52542205
The management is built into the Power Manager (assume Windows) - if you do that it will kick into longevity mode which is more or less the same as setting a charge threshold. Otherwise no it won't. Granted, 45-75% is pretty harsh. Topping out at 90-95% generally does the trick

>>52542367
Yes

>>52542151
If you want a standard voltage processor in something thin but don't mind permanently shit battery life

>>52542350
Nice how much was it?

>>52543662
I got it for 20k yen + tax

anyone know the max RAM for an X60? the wiki says it's officially 4GB for the X61, but doesn't state anything beyond standard for the X60.

I just upgraded my x201's RAM to 8, and the SSD to a faster and better capacity SSD!

It feels exactly the same. ;-;

>>52541375
Greatest ThinkPad to type on since the T60
Clean design, precursor to the X1.

Performance sub par, underclocked CPU no good, could be used for shitposting but not much else.
Poor viewing angles on machine.

Get one if you got $60 to waste

>>52541375
Too slow.

>>52541944
pcie m2 ssd only senpai

>>52543764
I think the max that chipset can handle is 3GB.
Go ahead and put two 4GB sticks in there, you'll only be able to use 3GB still.

>>52540207
I'm looking for a ThinkPad that I can use at work. What's the cheapest I can get away with? We work off VMs on our server so I only need to be able to RDP and run a web browser for music but a large screen so I can use it as a second monitor would be great

I probably wouldn't want to go higher than A$250 (US$173), MAYBE A$300 (US$208) depending on what's suggested

I'm thinking maybe the T400, would that be enough for this?

>>52543970
Go for a T500 or T510 instead. 15" models have way better screens than 14" ones.

>>52544042
T500 seem to be quite rare in my parts. None on gumtree and a single non-functional one on ebay.

Any suggestions on elsewhere to look online? It's either that or I may have to stick with the T400

>>52540207
Can you switch a t61 or t61p with a flexview/ips screen from a t60 or t60p?

A guide/display model number would be helpful.

Also, what does the t60/t61 frankenpad term mean? As in, is there a good guide for one? Don't see anything on the thinkwiki.

>>52544235
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m74otZqd2Y

>>52544042
T510 and if you can get with the 1920x1200 screen that'd be godly.

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Is the ThinkPad T61 with Core 2 duo 2.0 and 1GB ram for 55 $ worth it?
Pic related

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Time for battery upgrade?

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What would be the upper bound of a good deal on the L520? 4gb ram, 500gb hdd

>>52544852
no more than $150 and that's the very top end.

>>52544883
thanks anon

>>52544829
how to generate a report like this on lincucks?

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>>52545212
use xfce4-power-manager-settings

>>52544852
>>52544883
>>52544895

>recommending a L series

fucking hell, you're contributing to the cancer that lenovo is pushing out

>>52544829
my 9 cell is around that full capacity too and it still puts out ~4.5 hours of shipostin. Id wait if i were you unless you can find a good deal.

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Will Chinese cartoons look good on the x220 or T420? The resolution on both is bad and I heard the T420 screens are just shit in general.

>>52546003
i know the L series is of lower quality, what model would you suggest, i really want something like a T530, but it costs a lot more. Is there a better model i could get for around 150 USD?

>>52543856
>>52543857
Thanks, so I'll contact the seller to see if I can haggle the price down a bit, otherwise I'll leave it.

How does it stand up to the X20* generation?

>>52546226
T420 if you don't mind replacing the screen with the m14x r2 900p screen. Way better than anything available stock.

>>52546236
you can get a T420i and upgrade the CPU down the line.
>>52546304
you got a panel model as i need to upgrade my T420's screen.

I just bought a T420s! Currently own X220,X230.

What kind of battery life can I roughly expect with the different battery options for the T420s? (Under *nix)

>>52546341
6 or 9 cell?
new or used battery?

>>52546341
What configuration do you currently have?
Ultrabay battery used?

Just bought an excellent condition x220 i5-2540M with 8GB DDR3 and a 320GB HDD and IPS screen for the $300. Might have been a bit pricey but I think I'll be happy as long as the item is as described in the eBay ad.

Gonna add an SSD too.

>>52546341
You won't get much. T420s only has up to a 6cell battery and even then it has less capacity than the 6cell for the regular T420 or X220. Maybe 4 or 5 hours depending on hardware config and power settings, and that's assuming the battery isn't already beat to shit.

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>dell latitude e4310
who has?
opinions?
worth $125 for sturdy trackpoint funpost machine?

>>52546304
>m14x r2 900p

I had no idea these screens were compatible.

Do I need to buy an extra cable or anything else if I already have a HD+ screen on my T420?

>>52547207
Oh nice, thank you.

>>52545519
huh, my old samsung galaxy ace would report like 120% charge sometimes

>>52547264
it's fairly hard to get the exact panel as most places send a compatible panel rather than the exact panel, but as most 14 inch 1600x900 panels are terrible, pretty much just get the cheapest one you can find like i found on on ebay for £32.

>>52546355

6 cell, used but it's supposedly reasonably new.

>>52546416

No configuration yet, I'm considering buying the ultrabay battery if it's worthwhile.

>>52546436

On the whole, battery isn't a huge concern, but I'm interested to see how long I'd have if I took it off AC.

>>52547882
you could expect 2.5-4.5 hours.

Hey guys, my X220 runs kind of hot [spoiler]got it up to 95C yesterday according to speccy, but it's rare to get that hot. I was asking a lot of the machine.[/spoiler]

I'd like to get it at a more modest temperature when running more intense programs (see Starcraft). Does anyone have any advice/guides on cleaning out the vents/fan?

>>52548098
take off the kb and compress air canned the fan. Remember to hold the fan in place before blowing. Replace the thermal paste if that doesn't help.

>>52541304
If it were 1080p I'd say yes but it's not so no

>>52548156
Thanks, but why do you want to hold down the fan before applying the compressed air?

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Any cool mods I can do to my x230?
>i7-3520m with slightly modified cooling system
>1.25GHz HD4000 GPU core
>8GB 1600MT/s DDR3L RAM
>Intel 530 120GB mSATA drive
>HGST 1TB 7mm drive
>illuminated keyboard + thinklight, IPS screen
>fingerprint reader, camera
>9cell battery (about 12 hours of ACTUAL usage like browsing the internet)
>750Ti eGPU via expresscard slot
I heard there is a possibility of adding 8GB CL11 2133MHz RAM into it, but what about 16GB RAM? I can't find anything different than CL10 2133MHz 2x8GB sticks. I'm pretty sure it won't work.

>>52548265
it'd turn in to a generator and fry the motherboard, and damage the fan.

>>52548295
Don't know about the X230, but I know that the X220 can use 16 gigs of RAM, despite Lenovo saying they can't.

I think it's because they shipped these out with 32 bit OS's or something along those lines.

>>52541304
At that price, just get the x1 off of amazon for $790

>>52547330
I'm considering a LG LP140WD2 (TL)(G1) which is around that price point on ebay.
That one's glossy though, I think. I would have preferred a matte one but at this point I just want something better than the stock screen.

>>52548402
yeah I know I can use 16GB RAM, I'm just asking about 2133MT/s CL10 sticks.

>>52548434
it's a bit more but you can specify if you want gloss or matte.
http://www.laptopscreen.com/English/screen-part-number/LP140WD2(TL)(G1)/

>>52548538
Well then, that makes things easier.
I don't know why but I assumed the matte version was the (B1) model which is T420's stock screen. Dumb me.
Thanks.

Will you fucking niggers stop bidding on cheap Thinkpads so I can get one? I just want one to my name.

http://www.amazon.com/AGDA%C2%AE7800mah-Battery-ThinkPad-7800mah-month%A0warranty/dp/B014IWNVTM/

Does anyone have experience with this battery? Is it a safe purchase?

Or is it worth investing more on a genuine one?

>>52548693
also ordering from a company like that should make warranties easier.
and just need next week to come round so i can order my panel as 1366x768 is killing me.

>>52548744
I know that feeling. Mine came with a 1600x900. At first I thought it wasn't as a bad people as said, but over time I started to get kind of frustrated with the color contrast and the horrible viewing angles.

Also doesn't this company ship different but compatible panels when the specific model you ordered is out of stock? I'm kind of wary about paying for that particular panel and then get a shittier one.

>>52548869
they do unfortunately, i'm not sure how it works in other countries, but here in the UK and because they have a UK warehouse, when i order mine and it's a crap panel i can return it no questions asked, but i've read they only stock that panel and the innolux which isn't as bad as the stock lenovo panel, but seeing how terrible the stock panels are almost every panel is a step up, but it's also a bastard that there aren't any IPS panels which fit.

>>52549347
fair enough but i haven't found anyone who says they sell exact panels though they only say they sell panels which are compatible, so it's pot luck with who ever you buy from.

Where can I buy a good IPS screen for the x220/x230?

>>52549476
Ebay?

>>52550671
Aren't those chink fakes of lower quality?

is there a hd touch screen replacement for the x220 tablet?

x200 9-cell fags, where did you get your new batts from?

seeing a few in amazon/ebay, but would like first hand experiences. danke

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>>52540207
ALERT THINKPAD USERS

t420 cannot survive a drunken dropkick.

>>52550817
Duly noted.

>>52547097
I used to have a E6400 and it was great really loved it

How can i fix battery locks in x220? One of them broke and now the battery slides out. I put some tape but I was wandering if there is any good fix

>>52550817
Well duh, the screen won't survive point impacts, but that's cheaply replaceable.
The rest of it will be fine.

>>52551155
How did the keyboard compare to the newer thinkpads? I have found the T430/s to be the best.

>>52551287
Honestly e6400 pretty much is a thinpad wannabe and I don't see much difference between it and my x220. One think was that the tit mouse would sometimes stick. Build wise e6400 looked better inside and outside comparing to x220. I would run mint nice and smooth on 2gb ram but later I just move to i3 since I usually use the laptop in bead

>>52551207
duct tape

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Just got a "new" sealed x200 battery for my x201 for $25 on ebay! How long do you guys think it'll last? I hope it didn't deteriorate too much over the years…

>>52552082
There is no real way of knowing when it comes to third party battery's without ripping it apart and checking the cells.

Having said that I've had a third party battery in my laptop for a couple years now and its been fine.

>>52552336
Oh, no, this is a first party battery. It's just been sitting in the box since 2009... I'm letting it charge for like 2 hours and I'll test it.

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Lenovo is having a sale until the 27th on current gen machines. Is it worth waiting on skylake to get the t460s?

>>52550805
I'll sell you a brand new genuine 9 cell for $35 if you live in the bay area.

>>52553060
not the person you replied to, but I fit your qualification

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>tfw this is literally the only standalone trackpoint keyboard

>>52553060
fug, live in socal, but thanks anyway senpai

To dualboot or not to dualboot.

On another note, will adding 8gb of ram be noticeable ?

>>52553082
Nevermind anon, there's a better deal for x200 with a brand new 9 cell on sale for $30 on cl right now.

Getting a T430s in the mail soon, dunno if its a discrete GPU or not (will disable it anyways)
Paid $165 for it, broken screen, some SSD.
Got the cable mod parts for it, found a Dell E7440 screen to mod it with for under $75.

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>>52540207
Is Lenovo actually going to make this "Retro ThinkPad" they've blogged so much about or is it just to pretend like they care about all the autists?

>>52553156

It's literally not.

>>52553719

I don't particularly like the old thinkpad designs. I prefer the new ones :D

I also used 90s thinkpads, but fuck that

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on the underside of a touchpad, how do i remove that ribbon cable. It doest seem obvious

>>52553869
use the guide to whatever model you've got.

don't be a madman

>>52553719
i love the keyboards on the older thinkpads. i don't see how they will replicate that and keep a thin profile. looking forward to see them try though.

>>52553869
pinch the sides?

>>52553755
>>52553156
Unicomp makes a buckling spring one

http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/UB40PGA

>>52553884
>>52553938
>>52553869
turns out that black bit slides completely out when pushed up from those prongs
feel a bit silly now

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d-did i go good /g/?
i'm not too concerned about money, since kangaroo tokens are virtually worthless anyway
the only step down was $180 and it had a fucked thinklight and multilingual keyboard and I thought fuck it $40 is nothing

>>52554351
Is the little light an extra thing? I never thought anything special of it lol.

Just bought a x201t and i'm loving this thing, but I still cant figure out how to get touch to work. Does the x201t not have touch?

>>52554657
Need the pen I thought, right?

To those who have replaced thermal paste on their E/T420, does it thermal throttle under Prime95? What temperature does it get to?
Discrete GPU or not?

>>52554767
ive got the pen and it works, but i thought it also has touch too?

>>52554351
in all honesty, i wouldn't use the light
however
the multilingual keyboard was fucking ugly, and i kind of wanted a fully functional device
i can deal with cosmetic damage, but when core functions of the laptop don't work i'm not for it

Welp, I've got two older thinkpads, and can't do shite with either of 'em.

>R61 (yeah yeah R series, got it for $50)
>4G, 64G SSD, C2D
>Runs like ass.

>X200T
>4G, 64G SSD, C2D
>Also runs like ass

Windows runs like dick on both of them, most mainstream Linux distros likewise. Half tempted to punt both of 'em into the trash, they piss me off that much.

>>52544235
>>52544286
Do you need a 14" 4:3 t61p, or will a bigger one work?

Refurbished x220t is arriving tomorrow, what should I expect for configuring the touchscreen on Linux? I'll be running Mint on it.

>>52555243
You need a 14" one because there are no 4:3 15" T61s. It's the same size as the 15" T60 motherboard, there's a separate extension board that attaches to the side to reach the Ultrabay.

>>52555243
Was the video in any way unclear?

>>52554787
Multitouch was an option I believe.
Oddly my X61T had installed a multitouch driver but only pen works.

>>52553719
Probably.
Will be waiting.

>>52554057
GOD FUCKING DAMN IT WHY WON'T THEY MAKE AN IBM SPACESAVER TENKEYLESS REPLICA??

and preferably with a trackpoint too

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So uh... I got a tiny little piece of dust way in the bottom left corner of my x201's screen. When I tap my screen downward over and over I can move it, but it doesn't seem to want to go out of site... Any idea on this? Safe to keep smacking it until it hopefully goes off the scene?

>>52556131
Compressed air?

>>52556258
But it's like, behind the screen. Like, I guess in-between the screen. It's in front of the light, but behind the colors. Gives it an odd 3D effect. Screen is sealed, so I guess I can't really do much. =(

>>52556284
Break that shit open and dust it
Huehuehuehue

>>52553719
https://youtu.be/8lqAa_eD84A?t=810

Watch this video.

David Hill says that one of the problems they are facing with the retro at the moment is sourcing a display panel.

I didnt even have my X220t for 3 days or the power jack stops working. It's loose from the inside and it wont charge anymore. How does one replace it?

>>52557772
I don't want to sift through 17 minutes of bullshit to find his comments on the retro.

>>52557972

13:30

there's a timestamp at the end of the link but youtube isn't processing it

>>52558007
Ah, thanks. Didn't notice that.

>>52552082
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>>52552336
>>52558045
It's actually a legitimate battery, stop it u guis

>>52558078
shiet, you did gud anon

>>52558078
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>>52558078
Hope you didn't buy a battery with Sanyo cells.

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>>52544829
>>52545519
Get on my level
3+ years daily wear

>>52558198
jesus fucking christ i'm currently typing this on my thinkpad, am i going to get owned like this faggot

>>52558224
only if you rape your battery

>>52558117
fuck thats what i have ;-; whats wrong with them?

Is 1st gen Helix any good?
I want something lighter and thinner than my X61 tablet.

>>52558292
they're trollin' sanyo cells are fine.

Would it still be viable to buy a W500 for 150 AUD?

Its got the C2D T9600 w/ Win 7 Professional and 4GB of RAM. I will clone the OS to my 128GB SSD.

>>52555149
What's the CPU in the x200 tablet?

It shouldn't be that bad, my main laptop used to have a 1.7 GHz C2D and I did CAD work on it.

What are good, cheap Thinkpads with a 1600 x 900 resolution or better?

16:9 or 4:3 aspect ratio.

>get a new battery for my X201s
>the old one has 90% charge so I write some program that searches for prime numbers
>drain battery down to 40%
>put it into the fridge
Am I doing it right?

>>52557772
omg, that Lenovo guy couple weeks ago was legit

>T400
>Core 2 Duo P8600
>4GB of RAM
>80GB HDD
>Charger and working battery
>120€

Good enough?

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Got my x220 tablet and replaced the thermal paste, are these temps normal after running prime95 for a bit?

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>>52558092
>>52558103
Yay, I did good! I get like 4-6 hours out of it, which is really nice for me. My last OEM battery and chinese battery lasted like two hours...

>>52558117
=(

>>52562219
thats good anon! :)
i recommend using firefox or something, since its last update the ram hogging is gone and its alot better on my battery than google chrome , also is that crunchbang++? also make sure to have tlp, tp_smapi, acpi-call, powertop and etc all setup and you might be able to push a good hour or so out!

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>>52562052
here is idle

>>52562219
shit thats good, sanyo cells? wow, my fake 6cell has sanyo cells, im gonna purchase a 9cell from amazon, for about 100-75$, where did you get yours from and how much?

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>>52562311
Thanks! I'll look into it. I dunno if I wanna switch to Firefox so much, but I'm sure it would help... Just don't wanna leave my comfort zone. I'd also probably go for a fork of it, they're really making it look gross lately...

>>52562357
I got it on ebay for ~$23. $15 for the battery, $7 shipping. I was the only bidder, here's the guy I got it from. Looks like he's still selling some. Good luck. ;)

http://www.ebay.com/usr/itzys?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2754

have you guys ever bought from arrow direct? (US) im looking at a t420 i7

>>52562052
>>52562321
My x230 idles at 40-45ºC and goes to 75ºC under heavy load.

Your CPU should see 45-50ºC at idle and 80ºC under load at max, maybe your paste wasn't that good?

>>52557872
You don't it's 90% mobo issue

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>>52562550
>they're really making it look gross lately...
I don't know, friend. Looks alright to me.

>>52562014
U could get a x220 i5 , 4GB for €150

>>52562052
X220 are know for very high temps especially on heavy load

>>52558292
>>52558835
Sanyo cells are well known to degrade quicker than LG/Sony/Panasonic cells.

>>52562860
I haven't seen any x220 on that price range on eBay.

Also I'm not sure if I can stomach something that small. I carry a backpack to work every day so 14" or even 15 is fine.

>>52562975
I got 2 before Christmas ,you would get them for that price from normies other tech guys would ask much more. Its great if you use it for casual browsing and stuff . I usually spend 2 - 3 h on it before sleep I though the size would bother me but I cannot say it does ,and I was using dell E6400

>>52563072
Forget to say both from a auction I just busted the price by €20 in the last 30 sek.

>>52562836
I mean the developers, I don't wanna use that word but... "Botnet!"

I know, coming from Chrome that's pretty ironic, but I'm using a fork.

>>52563072
>>52563092
It sounds a really good idea for browsing and some other shit on the bed but I need this one almost exclusively for office stuff at work.

The guy listed them as buy it now but takes offer as well, I might try to get it cheaper, but I really can't find anything better when it comes to price/performance.

does 1920x1080 look ok on a 12.5" screen? I'm thinking about getting an x260

>>52563133
Well depends on what you do but core 2 duo with 4 GB ram could be not enough for any serious work. Especially if you use software on Windows. Unless you do purely excel and browsing than sure it would be OK

>>52563100
Oh, that's your angle. There have been well enough comments regarding Mozilla's visual updates to make me think that that was what you meant.

I do think your concerns are unfounded, but that's just me. As long as you're satisfied, friend.

>>52563240
Office, PDF reading, using Dropbox, checking mail, web surfing, maybe SPSS, nothing really intensive.

If the Core 2 Due perfoms like the AMD Athlon 4600+ I had on a old build I'll be fine.

Next step for me would be a 420, and the price would be pretty much double, since Thinkpads aren't that popular where I live right now (Spain) and my only option is eBay.

>>52563251
I'll certainly look into it, probably better for battery. Thanks for the info!

I actually just set up tlp, I can already see better performance. Thanks for that piece of info! Everyone's so much nicer in tpg. :)

>>52563292
You might find good deals on UK eBay ,even if the delivery is high you still might get a good deal if you snipe a auction.

>>52562888
And Panasonic/Sony/LG batteries are harder to find(especially if you want a new one)

>>52562321
That is a badly applied paste. How did you apply the paste? surface spread? center dot?

>>52562798
Sandy Bridge overheats more than IvyBridge because of an older manufacturing process.

Also. I've heard some people replaced the X220 fan with a X230 one, reducing both noise and temperature.

>>52563351
Yeah, the one I'm considering is from UK, shipping is like 20€ but stills cheaper than buying from Spain. US shipping is out the question.

I'll try to catch a good action, thanks for the tip.

>>52540207
Do most x220's have problems with their screens? I bought my first one in March and the screen went out in August. Then I bought a second one in September and the screen is already going out on it. Should I just buy a fucking Dell or something?

>>52563611
what do you mean by >going out? flickering? are you sure you're not throwing them around too much

>>52563611
My e6400 had to get a new screen 2 but the 'old' screen was from the original setup . if the power supply didn't get fucked in would still be using it.

>>52563450
if you're going to blow money on a lenovo battery you might as well do it right

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>>52563728
This

>>52563847
That is the first one. I actually think that was a graphics card problem. The one I'm using now is doing that on the right side of the screen, but I can get it to stop sometimes by moving the screen.

>>52563847
Jup my screen did it few times and later all you could see was white. LCD has to be changed. Just maybe check the cable first . my gf has 121e and time to time screen gets completely white. I have to remove the keyboard and press the cable to 'fix it '

>>52563847
well, shit. i've had 2 x220's and an x220t for about 3 years now and i've never had a problem with the screens.

i'd check that the screen ribbons haven't come loose, especially since
>I can get it to stop sometimes by moving the screen.
the manual on their site will show you how to get at them

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Going back to my x60 from an x200 today as soon as me new power supply arrives.

>best keyboard
>4:3 screen
>best build quality
>libreboot+trisquel
>playing minetest over the LAN
>trackball mouse under the covers
>snow is falling

its gonna get comfy in here lads

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>>52545519
Bought this laptop 2nd-hand, but the battery if like new, only the original. It's like it's never been used

>>52563847
Probably LCD flex, easy fix.

>>52563993
>trackball mouse under the covers
You got me, Anon. That sounds amazing.

Can someone who's using a 64-bit Thinkpad T60 with Gentoo post their kernel configs?

I'm having trouble handmaking my config for device reasons.

>>52563544
center dot

>>52564249
oh yeah, also
>for device reasons
Mainly because I'm having troubles enabling KMS on my T60 because I get no video:

CONFIG_DRM=y
CONFIG_DRM_KMS_HELPER=y
CONFIG_DRM_KMS_FB_HELPER=y
CONFIG_DRM_TTM=y

CONFIG_DRM_RADEON=y

CONFIG_FB=y
CONFIG_FIRMWARE_EDID=y
CONFIG_FB_CMDLINE=y
CONFIG_FB_CFB_FILLRECT=y
CONFIG_FB_CFB_COPYAREA=y
CONFIG_FB_CFB_IMAGEBLIT=y
CONFIG_FB_SYS_FILLRECT=m
CONFIG_FB_SYS_COPYAREA=m
CONFIG_FB_SYS_IMAGEBLIT=m
CONFIG_FB_SYS_FOPS=m
CONFIG_FB_DEFERRED_IO=y
CONFIG_FB_MODE_HELPERS=y
CONFIG_FB_TILEBLITTING=y

CONFIG_BACKLIGHT_LCD_SUPPORT=y
CONFIG_BACKLIGHT_CLASS_DEVICE=y
CONFIG_HDMI=y

CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE=y
CONFIG_VGACON_SOFT_SCROLLBACK=y
CONFIG_VGACON_SOFT_SCROLLBACK_SIZE=64
CONFIG_DUMMY_CONSOLE=y
CONFIG_DUMMY_CONSOLE_COLUMNS=80
CONFIG_DUMMY_CONSOLE_ROWS=25
CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE=y
CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE_DETECT_PRIMARY=y
CONFIG_LOGO=y
CONFIG_LOGO_LINUX_CLUT224=y

>>52564277
you should apply a line, not applying too much, then use the (properly cleaned)heatsink to spread the paste. The paste should cover all the mirrored surface.

Although the surface spread method works with a thin layer of paste, there is a risk of leaving air bubbles that reduce the thermal transfer.

How good is lenovo about sending recovery disks? I bought my thinkpad used with no recovery disk, and id like to install w7 and usb boot arch.

>>52564592
just download an ISO and boot from USB lad
i doubt they're going to send a recovery disc to anyone buying a second hand laptop

>>52564592
Download iso (links are on my digital life forum), install and activate using the code on the back of your laptop.

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>>52564558
might have used too much paste, My idle temps are looking a bit better though I think

so what can i buy for 100 dollars? literally only for linux play and shitposting. i dont know if thinkpads this low costing are good. should i get some chromebook and install linux on it or just get 100 more dollars and buy an x220?

>>52564840
x220 is way better performance-wise, but you could get an x61 for $100.

>>52564840
x200/x300 maybe an x201 in slightly beat up condition

Thinking of getting the t420, specs look amazing for the price but I'm a bit concerned about the hd3000

Done some research but still have some unanswered questions

Is the t420 capable of running mpc hc (with madvr, avisynth, etc) smoothly?
How does something like LoL or tf2 with lowest settings run(will I get 60 fps?)
How is the outboard dac? Currently have a pair of hd598 with no plans of buying an external amp or dac

>>52564964
I play Black Mesa on my x220t (intel hd 3000 as well) at native res and about medium settings and get from 40-70 fps, some spikes some dips, average of about 60.

>>52544500
I have one of these, it's a nice little laptop. I got it to experiment with linux.

>>52564964
git gud nerd

i've got the i5/4200m version and i can play fallout3, and i can play cs:go with most the visuals turned up so i assume it plays memefortress (played from Orange Box up until pyrovision)

>>52564833
That's much better. Perfect for the CPU, if it is an i5.

>>52557872
Take it apart and look at it. In Lenovo's infinite wisdom, those are meant to be relatively easy to replace. Just YouTube how to, it's going to be the same process for most models.

>>52564729
>>52564746
I see that they have w7 ultimate. Mine shipped with pro oem. Will the key still work?

>>52565164
http://www.askvg.com/how-to-choose-desired-windows-7-edition-version-during-setup/

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>>52563177
You need 4k for anything larger than 5", bruh. Anybody saying otherwise has terrible eyesight.

>>52565195
Nice, thanks.
>>52564746
I found the thread on digital life forum for w7, but they have some sort of "click the thanks button to view this download link" where the fuck is the thanks button.

What's the best replacement screen for a T420? Please no chink magic FHD. Just a compatible 1600x900 that isn't complete shit.

>>52565271
You need to register. I'll find you the link, give me a moment.

So, I bought a T420 with a 2.5GHz i5 (not sure which chip that makes it), 1600x900. $159 shipped.

I saw in the ebay listing pic that the battery was at something like 480 cycles, so I ordered a new 9-cell for $44.

I'm swapping in the SSD from my old POS laptop, and I got an Ultrabay HDD caddy that I'll put its existing HDD into. $8.

I'll probably order a GMYLE ExpressCard USB 3.0 adapter. $14.

I've already got 8 gigs of compatible RAM from the old POS laptop.

So, I'm in for $225. Did I do good? Am I going to hate it for being a slow POS? My desktop is an FX-8350 with 32 gigs of RAM and an SSD. I want to run Visual Studio, plus various open source stuff in a Linux VM.

>>52565271
You could download from microshaft directly: https://www.microsoft.com/pl-pl/software-download/home

>>52565271
Found it: http://mirror.corenoc.de/digitalrivercontent.net/

>>52565326
Auo 900p: diarrhea dog shit
lg 900p: dog shit

>>52540207
>Recommended models:
>T420 - 14", normal size
>X220 - 12.5", lightweight
can we please stop pretending we're third world shitters already?
these are $100 computers with horrible screens. They should be bought as toys or secondary PCs

we should be recommending the T440s and X240 as $500 PC's that BTFO every modern day $1000 ultrabook
>inb4 trackpad
can easily be replaced, much easier to fix than the poor battery life, thermals, and bad screens of the x220 and t420

>>52565552
>T440s and X240
Literally outperformed by T420 and X220 for a fifth of the price. Eat shit.

>>52541340
>no rollcage
>no spill drain
>not user servicable
nigger please

>>52565468
Well shit.

>>52565565
>outperformed
they are laptops, not desktops anon
I thought we were here because we like sturdy, linux friendly, and long lasting portable devices? t440p then for fucks sake. Or better yet get the w540/1 since if all you care about is power that's the best

>>52565565
also you're wrong, it doesn't even outperform them
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-4300U-vs-Intel-Core-i5-2520M

>>52565596
Forgot to add, according to leddit,
Innolux N140FGE -LA 2 Rev C2
LG LP-140WD2 (TL)(G1)
Are much better and is compatible with the t420

>>52565665
Thanks Anon.
Found the leddit post. Gonna look into this a bit more.

New ssd came 4 days early. Currently creaming my pants desu.

>>52565597
None of those laptops perform five times better than the X220 or T420, while they do cost that much or more. That's why the --20s are the recommended Thinkpads, they have the best price/performance ratio by a long shot. --40s were rock fucking bottom for Thinkpads, too. They'll never be recommended except maybe the T440p a few years down the line when it's in the same position that the T420 is now.

I do think that we should also make mention of the T/W520 in the OP though, since as you said the screens on the smaller models really are quite bad.

>>52565888
>literally the only thing that matters in a computer is price-cpu performance ratio
>T440p a few years down the line when it's in the same position that the T420 is now.
the t440p is in the same position the t420 was 3 years ago when it started to become the recommended thinkpad

>>52565917
The --40 generation is not five times better than the --20 generation in any way, not just performance.

>>52565552
>recommending the x40 series
FUCKING RETARD

My personal ranking is:
>poorfag tier
20 series

>comfy tier
30 series

>I want to spend money tier
50 series

>I need special features that new laptops don't have tier
Everything below the 20 series

I realy think the 30 series is the best option right now:
>good CPU that's not ULV shit tier
>decent graphics
>good I/O
>good number of ram slots at each size
>mediocre TN panels
>still sturdy
>keyboard is GOOD (better than new ones, arguably better than the one in 20 series, worse than the one in the x300)
>express card slot, two mini PCI-e lanes at least

>>52565942
and the t420 is not 5 times faster than the t400
what the fuck is your autistic point
a computer is more than just the processor

>>52565660
>synthetic benchmarks
o i am laffin

>>52565967
>FUCKING RETARD
of course they were the worst series when they were new. I'm not retarded, I remember. But you can fix the trackpad, the only aggregious thing about them, for less than $40.
the *30 series has all of the same problems as the *20 series with even smaller performance gains, in the case of the t430 worse battery life, and still had shit screens. the *30 series gets the worse keyboard without a single real benefit
>le new thinkpads aren't sturdy meme
they literally still have rollcages. What more do you want?

>>52566016
>the only aggregious thing about them
ULV shit that underperforms

>the same problems as the 20 series
What problems, except screens?
It also had a much needed boost in graphics and the native USB 3.0 is nice.

>worse keyboard
It isn't, your 40 series has a worse keyboard, for example.

>what more do you want
I didn't say they weren't sturdy.

>>52566016
>aggregious
Yes you are a fucking retard

Learn to spell

>>52566087
>ULV shit that underperforms
and beats full voltage sandy bridge
>40 has worse keyboard than 30
literally what, its the same

>>52566106
I was comparing Ivy Bridge with ULV shit. And fyi, Sandy Vagina outperforms ULV shit in the 40 series under real world stress. The 50 series ULV is better than the 20 series stuff, but not by much.

It's just not worth it, at least from 20 to 50 series you have a giant boost in graphics and a small boost in cpu horsepower, with 20 to 40 you have better graphics at the expense of ULV shit.

>its the same
You haven't tried both, have you?

I want the cheapest shit that can run office fine and has a great keyboard.

Suggest me please.

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After reading over the buyer's guide, I feel as though I should get one. Going back to uni for postgraduate so need a reliable fucker.
Preferences include good quality screen and something relatively light. Willing to fork out 600 bucks? Any ideas on best model for me?

>>52566166
>50 series
50 series doesn't even have an option for full voltage. thats why there was no 450p and no W series

it depends on your work case scenario. If you're doing work that would stress an i5-4200u you wouldn't want an i5-2530m. The only real world scenario is that one is good at being a laptop and one is good at being the cheapest computer worth buying.

>>52566199
>good quality screen and something relatively light. Willing to fork out 600 bucks?
t440s or 50s if you can find a deal
x240 or 50
the 20 and 30 series have horrible genuinely as bad as it gets screens
those two both have incredible battery life, the best keyboards on any ultrabooks, and 1080p IPS displays

>>52566215
It doesn't. But the ULV's used in it weren't like the ULV's used in the 40 series. They actually outperformed the 20 series.

>>52566260
can you show me a single benchmark where the 20 series outperforms 40 ulvs? I just want to believe you so I dont keep thinking that you ahve cognitive dissonance about the t420 meme

>>52566171
t400
x61/200

>>52566248
Cheers! I'll look into it.

What's so bad about the *40 series, besides some CPU faggotry, that has no real world implciations?

Im really interested in the T440s (need an ultraportable, and thanks to 16:9, I can use 12" anymore, so I have to get an ultrabook instead), and apart from the keyboard (which we probably have to accept) and the missing trackpoint buttons (which can be added), it would fit the bill.

I even read some german review of it by an enthusiast, that says that after a long time of crap (he specifically gives the 430 a mention), this is finally a thinkpad that feels like one again, if you accept the keyboard (which is supposedly not that bad) and totally ignore the fact that they all must have been high as a kite when they designed the ultranav.

>>52565743
m.sata kawai?

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Just gonna leave this here...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T430s-Win7Pro64-14-i5-3320-12G-240G-SSD-500G-HDD-Warranty/301852423375?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D777000%26algo%3DABA.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131227121020%26meid%3D6e6d039dc6d24c489a9e196e3dbd4a10%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D172070125537#viTabs_0

>>52567081
>>52567106
gonna ignore it because you fucked up you're first post how embarrassing lmao

>>52567061
Nah b I have a x200

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>>52567145
Only deleted it because of duplicate file. Whatever, miss out.

>>52566830
The keyboard really isn't bad. In fact it's the best keyboard on the market 2nd only to old thinkpad keyboards

If you're using it at a desktop you should have a mechanical anyway

>>52563993
I was using my thinkpad today while eating a fresh bowl of hot chili and a beer, watching the snow fall from my window. This is living.

At what percentage of battery decay should I get a new one? I'm at 55mwh out of 81mwh on my main and 52 out of 64 on my slice.

>>52563993
is the x60/1 lighter? does it have a lower wattage draw?

>>52567214
>only to old thinkpad keyboards

For the full travel keyboards, it's basically next to the T6x series in terms of feel if you get the non backlit T440p.

There's 0 fucking flex at all, the rollcage is basically solid underneath the keyboard like the older models.

T400 to T430 had keyboard flex.

>>52567459
then why do people here meme that the t400-30 have better keyboards?

>>52566830
Used one for two semesters in my uni's lab. The keyboard wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. The trackpad and lack of buttons, however, were fucking horrid.

Unless you really need performance, go for the *20 line.

>>52567481
Great layout, but not the best feeling TP keyboard.

>>52567481
Because they're right. The new keyboards just aren't as good. That man is in denial. The new keyboards are better than any new laptop keyboards, but the old thinkpad ones were in a league of their own.

>>52567432
Whenever you can't tolerate the shortened battery life anymore. There's no harm in using it until it slowly dies.

>>52567521
>the old thinkpads
yes, but not the t400-t430

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I've got about 280 dollarydoos, should I buy a x201t for ~280$? Is it enough for an IDE or is it piss-slow?

>>52567521
>The new keyboards just aren't as good. That man is in denial.

Read my post again.

https://youtu.be/doEZMNXz1JY?t=83

(1:23)

Here's Louis demonstrating the keyboard flex in the T520, the T440p keyboard is absolutely solid.

The T6x keyboards DIDN'T FLEX. Lenovo made the keyboard thinner along with making weight savings in the rollcage, this lead to the T400 keyboard flex.

t400 or x21?

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Hey lads, just recently picked up a new laptop for school and after seeing that dell latitudes were welcome in these threads I am happy to say that Im a new owner of a Dell latitude E6420.

Now here's the specs:
i7 2620 @3.4ghz, 4gb, 1600x900 screen, 9 cell battery and 120gb ssd
All for the price of 200 bucks I think I made out really well. What are your guys thoughts?

>>52567713
Decent computer or 200 bucks.

Isn't it maybe a little bulky though?

>>52567600
Interesting videos.

>>52567897
i really like rossman, he doesnt give a fuck and he likes thinkpads

>>52567860
It's around the same as a t420 except it looks nicer :^)

>>52567860
>>52567960

It is a little bit bigger than what most laptops are now but its meant to be used for school so its not a real concern of mine.

>>52541340
id like my computer to run at over 800 mhz under full load

I just bought a T420 1GB Nvidia 4gb ram 1600x900 thinkpad for $250.. Did I do horrible? I know I could have got cheaper but didn't want to wait forever

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>Tfw found really cheap x201 in great condition but BIOS is locked

>>52568259
Going by the wiki, Coreboot for the X201 seems iffy, but I guess you could flash that over it.

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>>52568259
think you can hold a screwdriver between two pins and press the power button at the same time?

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>tfw finally get x220t
>right before I gotta go to class
>open up package
>see this
>also no stylus
I got an extra battery out of it, so I guess I can't complain too much. It was in good condition otherwise.

Guess I'll have to buy one. Are the ones that say "genuine" really genuine? Anyway to check?

Also, my temps for my cpu and mobo are 70-80. I'm assuming that's normal for a laptop? I haven't had one for a while.

>>52568189
Meh.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-EliteBook-8470p-14-i7-2-90-GHz-4-GB-RAM-Win-7-Pro-500GB-HDD-/121867339557

>>52567713
i got a e6420 myself recently. it's really nice. they go so much cheaper than thinkpads too because they have no meme factor despite being (as far as i can tell) pretty similar in terms of quality

>>52568507
>>52568542
Not sure if I want to take the risk. I am a cuck.

>>52568613
oh, anon :(

>>52568623
Yeah maybe if it was a gift but I am a cheap af and don't want to take the risk.

>>52568542
It took me a few tries but this works btw, i was able to disable the supervisor password on my t400s.

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Did I fuck up?

>>52568602
Nice what are the specks on yours and what did you pay?

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>install new ssd and ram
>boot to beeps and black screen
>hdd cable on motherboard probably disconnected
>try to open up x200
>all the screws must have been fucking power drilled in so that no one could ever open it
JUST

>>52568980
no thats top tier

>>52568980
no that is good/great tier

also

fuck the slo mo

>>52569060
try the rubber band trick for stripped out/difficult screws

>>52568549
>that packaging

TRIGGERED

>>52569196
Nothing works anon. Do you want to know why? Because my life is shit! But thanks for the suggestion.

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What gets better temps, X220 or X230?

Also is anyone here a tablet cuck? What do you actually use the touchscreen for?

>>52569295
both have average cooling, but i'd imagine the 22nm ivy bridge is slightly cooler

New thread:

>>52569322

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just got a new x201 for college and im installing arch on my old x200. sorry about the shitty image, my phone is an old piece of shit

>>52569248
I know anon, I know. I even do a job that is all packaging. This triggered me like none other.

>>52568643
Worst case scenario you buy a new mobo and it's slightly less of a good deal. I guess that depends on how great of a price the current x201 is now.

>>52570378
I actually realized how hard it is to fuck up and ordered it 40 minutes ago :)

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Just got through swapping my T440p's shitty buttonless trackpad out for a T450 trackpad off ebay. Night and day difference in usability, highly recommended.