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weekly CRT thread
post your CRTstations boys and general CRT discussion
why dont we start by pointing out every reason CRT is superior?
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crt is superior because it shortens your lifespan?
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what a god

1080p and 8gigs in the 90s
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>>52494483
the whole crt radiation thing is a myth
that was only a problem on the most prehistoric of crts (most of the decent high res ones were made in the early 2000s)
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>worse blacks thanks to light reflecting off the phosphors
>imperfect geometry
>blurry compared to LCD
>trinitrons have horizontal lines
>uneven luminosity
>morie
>takes up a ton of electricity and desk space
>sRGB at best
>burn in
>shitty contrast unless you're in a completely dark room
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>>52494483
Hahaha! Upvoted!
>>52494504
1080!? Rubbish!

W900 = 2560x1600
Mitsubishi Diamondtron = 2560x2048
Telly = PAL
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tfw you'll never own the FW900

>>52494540
yeah but its widescreen
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>>52494525
the blacks are still better than IPS and the reflection isnt nearly as bad on flatscreen CRTs.
the geometry is fine to calibrate if you arent retarded.
>blurry
what i think you're using shit CRTs.
>lines
what are you even talking about?
the luminosity is fine
>morie
what?
>electricity
yuro confirmed
>contrast
same as with the blacks
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>>52494656
>the blacks are still better than IPS
Only in complete darkness. If there is any lighting in front of the monitor your blacks are gone. LCDs polarize light in both directions.

>and the reflection isnt nearly as bad on flatscreen CRTs.
They use glass. It'll always be worse than a matte LCD.

>the geometry is fine to calibrate if you arent retarded.
There is no such thing as perfect geometry on a CRT.

>what i think you're using shit CRTs.
Even trinitrons can't compare to LCDs when it comes to sharpness. When you include High PPI LCDs you're now showing a level of sharpness CRTs will never, EVER get close to.

>what are you even talking about?
Due to the nature of trinitrons they need one or two stabilizing wires. Pic related.

>the luminosity is fine
Even ceiling lights can overpower most CRTs, even good ones at this point in time.

>what?
http://www.displaymate.com/moire.html
A fundamental limitation of CRTs.

>yuro confirmed
Nope.

>same as with the blacks
Blacks on an LCD get BETTER when there's more ambient lighting.
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>>>/b/
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>>52494593
The w900 is 16:10
Its no different from the fw900 except for the case and curved front
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>hipster shit
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>>52494540
Why your peroni has the same label as a nastro azzurro's

Also
>collecting common beer bottles asides for storing your own tomato sauce
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>>52494540
where's the pink case
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>>52495095
On the floor, near the bed
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>>52494884
Yes. W stands for "wide", F stands for "flat".
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>>52494884
And way lower syncing speeds and way higher stripe pitch.
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>>52495181
Its not even true. Its a completely different tube with different electronics.

>>52495183
Way wider stripe pitch I mean.
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>>52495198
Well if one tube is flat and the other isn't then obviously they're different.
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i want the LED meme to die so we can stop shitposting and not caring about the fidelity of CRTs. OLED monitors cannot come fast enough. just give me a 24" 1080p monitor without the gamer snake oil and i'll be in heaven
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>>52495223
Well yeah. I've just seen this a lot. A lot of people keep saying the w900 is just the curved version and they're pretty much the same. Its just not true.
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>tfw you will never ever own a FW900 setup
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>>52494836
get a load of this moron

>sharpness
Just use magnification to achieve whatever real physical resolution you need

>moire
Moire is incipient in any system that uses a regular screen, whether it's a shadow mask, aperture grill, or yes, LCD pixels. In fact the problem is exacerbated by better and more perfect screens, i.e. worse on LCDs

>brightness
>implying your office isn't light controlled

What about:
> zero input lag
> arbitrary refresh rates 40 - 180+ hz
> arbitrary resolutions with no scaling/resampling bullshit
> native support of interlaced and progressive scan content
> perfect viewing angle
> angle-stable color rendering

We get it. No display technology is perfect (except for Canon/Toshiba's defunct field emitters). Stop showing off how much of a faggot you are.
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>>52495254
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFGGHGwAjLY
This guy was pretty close to owning one.
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>>52495245
Either way the diamondtron blows both of them out of the water.
Trust me, Ive used all 3!
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>>52495310
nice CRT dick-sucking.

I appreciate them for what they do well, but you're retarded if you think that LCD processing latencies <5ms matter or that CRTs are bandwidth limited by modern standards.

a CRT that had an upper h-sync range over 100kHz was considered fantastic (and usually cost a shitload), and ~140kHz was the best ever made.

> arbitrary refresh rates 40 - 180+ hz
even the FW900 was only 160Hz/121kHz (160Hz up to ~1152x720 at best), buddy.
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>>52495310
>Just use magnification to achieve whatever real physical resolution you need
What are you even trying to say?

>Moire is incipient in any system that uses a regular screen, whether it's a shadow mask, aperture grill, or yes, LCD pixels. In fact the problem is exacerbated by better and more perfect screens, i.e. worse on LCDs
Pic related will look fine on an LCD that is functioning properly. It will look terrible on a CRT.

>>implying your office isn't light controlled
The brightness affects the contrast and perceived black levels, especially in lit conditions. In most conditions CRTs will look worse than a modern LCD.

> zero input lag
One of the few real positives LCDs have.

> arbitrary refresh rates 40 - 180+ hz
Double edged sword. You can run at higher refresh rates than most screens, but on the downside you'll either have to deal with 60hz if you want to play most videos without judder, specifically the kinds you'd be streaming online.

> arbitrary resolutions with no scaling/resampling bullshit
Another positive.

> native support of interlaced and progressive scan content
I can't think of a time where I ever watched interlaced video on a computer.

> perfect viewing angle
Another positive

> angle-stable color rendering
Doesn't matter when the luminance uniformity is shit
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>>52495504
>One of the few real positives CRTs have.
Fixed
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>>52494540
>Mitsubishi Diamondtron = 2560x2048
Really? I have a Gateway with a Diamondtron tube and it "only" goes to 2048x1536.
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>>52495547
don't believe the lies.
on a trinitron-style monitor, vertical resolution is really only limited by h-sync bandwidth and beam sharpness, but you can't really get more horizontal resolution than you have phosphor strip sets, and the pitch for most of those monitors maxxed at ~0.22mm, which means that sharpness you got above 1600x1200 on a 4:3 20"-22" CRT was largely imaginary.
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>>52495504
>You can run at higher refresh rates than most screens, but on the downside you'll either have to deal with 60hz if you want to play most videos without judder, specifically the kinds you'd be streaming online.
what do you mean by this?
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one major problem that CRTs dont have is SCREEN BLEEDING
this shit is absolute cancer on LCDs
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>>52495705
There was some anti-pincushion distortion but I could see single pixel graphics render clearly on it at 2560.
It seems to be very close to it's 1:1 ratio by the looks of it
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whats the point of reses that dont fit your aspect ratio?
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>>52495941
Pic related
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>>52494540
That file name, tho
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>>52495091
Its an old pic. Had a few over Christmas.
>>52495095
Left of the chair.
Its on its side for easy access though.
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>>52496049
ill test this at 75Hz on youtube and kissanime
gimme a sec
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>>52496049
That's why movies are filmed at 24hz and computer screens are 30hz
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>>52496049
>>52496139
i noticed no judder
why are you shilling so hard for LCD senpai?
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>>52496320
Then you weren't looking hard enough. It's really simple math.
If you have 60hz and you play 30fps video 60/30=2, meaning you show 1 frame of video for 2 refreshes.
If you have 75hz and you play 30fps video 75/=2.5, and since you wouldn't want to show half a frame that means you're going to have to show some frames for only one refresh.
I'm shilling for LCD because CRT is inferior in almost every way that matters and the upsides it has are small compared to the downsides decent LCDs have.
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>>52496388
i cant tell or maybe i just found some cherry picked examples that look fine on it buuut
how come 144Hz LCDs dont have the judder?or do they?
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>>52496468
They judder. Keep in mind that you won't notice it all the time. Honestly if you can't see it then don't start. Once you see it you can't unsee it. It's better to be ignorant of where and how to notice it.
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I still prefer CRT mainly for its viewing angles, and also colour reproduction on good CRT are still better than on cheap flats (maybe it is subjective)
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>>52496836
specs?
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>>52496875
which computer, brother.
I have 3 shown.
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>>52496914
the CRT res and refresh rate
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>>52496941
>compaq mv720

Also i have a 960 now, this is an outdated speccy pic.
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i really want a 4k IBM CRT but they're 400 bucks on ebay
im probably gonna settle for a 1920x1440

thats another thing about CRTs
the 4:3 LCDs are very slim pickings
i need my vertical screen estate!
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>>52497972
>4k IBM CRT
WHERE!?
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>>52497972
Probably more than you want to spend, but as a long-time 4:3 fan I dream of having an Eizo EV2730Q. 26.5" square 1920x1920 is to me basically the perfect horizontal and vertical size combined.

Also:
>1920x1440
Are you referring to running that on a CRT or do LCDs exist with this resolution?
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>>52498265
CRTs exist with 1920x1440 and higher
oh yeah that eizo cube is one of the coolest LCDs ive seen
i wish i had 700 bucks for a monitor
>>52498229
http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-T221-LCD-Monitor-9503-DG3-3840x2400-/172035675547?
it uses some crazy connectors though to get high Hz at that res so good luck
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>>52498314
oh shit sorry guys
i didnt realize it was LCD because of the thickness
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tfw the best 4:3 lcd you can find is only 1200p
CRT is lookingreally good right now
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dont let this die brethren
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>>52498314
>ttp://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-T221-LCD-Monitor-9503-DG3-3840x2400-/172035675547?
>it uses some crazy connectors though to get high Hz at that res so good luck
That's LCD you bellend!
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>own and occasionally use a dell d1025tm
anything worth bragging about?
ive always liked how high the res can go on it and use it to play older games sometimes
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>>52496777
>maybe its trips
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>>52501423
>>52498314
Its a God tier LCD desu. I use it with my fw900 for different things. For photo work and programming its way better.

The CRTs have it beat in motion and color vibrancy and blacklevel and contrast. But it has it beat in linearity and sharpness and workspace.

Its about tied in color accuracy.
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>>52498314
>>52501423
>>52501850
The T221 was legendary back in the day, but hasn't it been pretty much totally superseded by modern 24" UHD displays with DP 1.2 inputs?
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post comfy crt videos
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>>52503459
Not at its price point at all. You can find t221 DGPs for under 150 in great condition because 90% of people never used them more than a few minutes.

They are 16:10, 10 bit, higher res than 4k, DD-IPS, have a higher dpi than 4k monitors, and have an out of box delta-e of guaranteed <1. These specs are unmatched in anything under thousands of dollars. Before you mention the dells. They have way worse color accuracy.

Now, some do have it beat in contrast and speed, and Its only sRGB and its pretty much impossible to get DVI to output 10bit color. But that last one is not the monitors fault.

To get a monitor that wins some loses some? Its on par with $700 4k monitors for 150. To get a monitor that's better than it all around? Call monitor companies for a quote. I'd say the dell 5k ones are better too in the consumer market.

All in all, they're more relevant than ever because modern hardware can finally power them, UI scaling finally works, and they are an amazing value at 150.
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>>52504742
$150 I mean, in case you're not US
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>>52504742
>>52504763
And since I dont want to turn the CRT thread into a LCD fest.

I think it pairs great with CRTs in a "one for work one for play" scenario. I use both. To me the fw900 is still the best multimedia monitor you can get and solid for general use, and the t221 is the best work monitor you can get for a reasonable price and Is solid for non gaming use.

I use my fw900 for most things because I like breaks to watch movies and stuff and don't want to wait for it to warm up. Its clearly better at multimedia. But when I'm doing work (well lit photographs and programming mostly) the t221 is godlike. It also fits with the aesthetic and its the same size as the fw900 so it just fits with it.
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>>52494836
>Blacks on an LCD get BETTER when there's more ambient lighting.
shit b8 tbhfam
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>>52495504
No Sample and Hold bullshit either
And no...strobing can't compete with that at all since it's still dependent on FPS/HZ whereas CRT isn't
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>>52496388
You're a complete fucking idiot
If you want to watch 30fps video without judder than you just simply drive your CRT to 90hz or 120hz
If you want to watch 24fps video without judder you drive your CRT to 72hz,96hz or 120hz

It's the same shit as LCD
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>>52495310
> zero input lag
go fetch your nobel price by establishing an FTL communication system with CRTs. There is always input lag, even if its just the electrons travelling down the tube
> arbitrary refresh rates 40 - 180+ hz
max refresh rate still depends on the electronics, overclocking any random monitor will probably fuck it up. And it wont make your game run faster, you still need a good GPU. if you pay enough you can get up to 240Hz LCD
> arbitrary resolutions with no scaling/resampling bullshit
CRTs use the same static tri-coloured pixels, not some magical colored electron beams. if you set the resolution to 1020 on a 1024 monitor you will get blurriness instead of discrete artifacts (except on a monochrome oscilloscope)
> native support of interlaced and progressive scan content
if you really need to, you can emulate it in software, grandpa. There is only a handful of old games that used subpixel rendering to get a good image _despite_ scanlines getting in your way
> perfect viewing angle
> angle-stable color rendering
half an inch thick glass layer needed to contain the vacuum would like to have a word with you. IPS/OLED has perfect angles too, plus the image is less than a millimeter below the surface

Tldr: the average end-of-the-era CRTs were better than first gen LCDs. The average LCD now blows the fuck out of top tier CRTs (while using 5 times less power, desk space and weight)
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>>52505369
>There is always input lag, even if its just the electrons travelling down the tube
Yeah...a fucking micro/nanosecond at most
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>>52505369
>CRTs use the same static tri-coloured pixels
CRTs have no pixels AFAIK, but "delta" placed luminophore dots. Pixels are composed of these. They have no max res, only max res what can be displayed sharply. and perfectly downscale from this down.
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>>52496996
>CRT
>60Hz

Doesn't that hurt your eyes after a while? Especially when looking at another monitor with the CRT in the corner of your eye?
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tfw running out of space for computers
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>>52505628
Wow. What is the small toy on the Fridge Mac (SE?) ant this with blue numkeys on the right? Is this Commodore PC right to the Mac? And why I can't spot a single Amiga ?!
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>>52505681
ontop of the macintosh classic is not a toy, but a talking computron.

Computer with the blue numkeys is a Kaypro II

The only commodores are the 3 on the white shelf, C64, Vic 20 and a Vic 20 revision

No Amiga's yet because they are expensive and I don't want to have anything shipped making it more expensive.
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>>52505681
Amigas are non-existent in the US and IIRC the retarded community drives their prices sky high in europoor.
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>>52505628
Shit son i guess you could start stacking laptops on top of each other
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>>52494464
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>>52505303
are you retarded? you get motion judder on both CRTs and strobed LCDs when fps != Hz.

you could maybe argue that multisync CRTs support a broader range of vsync frequencies, but that's like saying you can optionally enable low-Hz high flicker modes if you GPU sucks.
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>>52494836
Rare truth in a clueless CRTfag bullshit thread. Props.

>>52495310
>get a load of this moron
protip: saying this doesn't make a retard right and clever people wrong
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>>52508928
mah' nigga
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>>52494540
I am certain I have the Mitsubishi one in my attic. How much is that baby worth?
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>>52508928
what the fuck is that i want it so bad.
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>>52508928
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>>52494593
used to have this heavy monster
so glad it's gone of my desk
replaced by a U2410, no regrets
image quality was good tho
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>>52508928
someone should find a broken one of these and rig a modern system with like an APU in it
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>>52512136
did you at least get a good price for it?

dont tell me you trashed it anon
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>>52511792
Nice reference. Crash override ;)
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>>52505303
Not only are you wrong but you also gain the benefit of being able to turn flicker off on LCD whereas you are stuck with it on CRT
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>>52494464
>CRT is superior?
It's warm.
It irradiates you.
It messes up your vision because of the strange screen shape.
It threatens to crush or injure you if you carry it.
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>>52505365
that's completely wrong. for judder free playback framerate must equal refreshrate this is a universal rule and the reason why frame interpolation exists
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I have IBM C220p CRT monitor.
I have played FPS at 1600x1200 /100hz for years, now its collecting dust.
I must say I played witcher 3 at 2048x1536 on it this year and it was looking better than my VA panell.

Do you thing It has some value?
Should I archive it and sell it 5 years from now for more than 200 bucks?
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>>52494540
I had a W900 back in 2009, but I gave it away once it started having some issues.

is it possible to rebuild or refurbish a CRT? I mean, all the FW900s by now are fairly old and probably not as good when new.
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>>52512947
phosphor burn-in and screen scratches are mostly permanent, most electrical problems can be resolved by replacing ancient capacitors, and other issues can sometimes be resolved by replacing the whole circuit board.
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>>52512773
flat is strange?
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>>52512935
will it last 5 years?
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>>52513083
dunno.
For how much could I sell it now?
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>>52513123
id say around 200
the msrp was around 279
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>>52513149
Thanks
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all the complaints ive seen people say about CRT none of them seem remotely important
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>>52513644
Halation, warm up time, and oblong pixels at higher resolutions are kinda big deals to me. Still love my CRT, but it'd not 100% perfect.

Seriously. The fw900 takes 45 minutes to look good with focus and colors and and another 45 to get to perfect geometry
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so I went by the thridt store and they have a dell 922 and a viewsonic g810. some research suggests both should be able to do 1600x1200 well. should I really buy one? I like CRT but I can't think of a use besides playing some games that would look fine in 4:3.
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>>52512794
except in that perfect scenario you will still perceive "judder" because of the low FPS of most video. properly interpolated video on a 60hz monitor honestly looks better to me than "proper" 24hz. once you get used to 60 fps 24fps video looks slow especially during pans.
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>>52514272
i would get 1 for use and sell the other on ebay

if you consume a lot of old media its nice to have a CRT around (4:3 anime, movies, old rpgs without widescreen support etc etc)
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last time i was involved with a crt it was some old highend one with bnc x5, 9001 dials on the front and all that jazz.

fucker was heavy as shit, got it in a trade among other hardware.

cant remember which but i threw it out on my way home from the guy
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I'm a crt fag but oled is just about here so...
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>>52514874
They don't last long and have way worse burn in problems than CRT.
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>>52514838
you suck

rip in piece CRT
he cant hurt you now
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>>52511115
Jack shit but the picture is priceless
I got mine with 4 19" bundled.
The bloke who delivered em turned up at my house in his undies and just dropped em off for free 0_o
>>52512947
So long as its not the screen any part can be repaired/replaced
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>>52514838
probably could have sold that for quite a bit
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>>52511703
Commodore 64, 1084S, 1541-II.

>>52512335
People have done PC conversions with the C64. There's even a keyboard controller called the Keyrah which allows you to interface C64/Amiga/etc keyboards with USB.
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>>52494464

move aside plebs
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>>52517749
what am i looking at here?
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>>52517804

http://beophile.com/?page_id=3044

The best damn CRT money can buy
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>>52517852

http://beocentral.com/beovisionavant32rfdvd
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>>52517852
I think I've seen these before. They seem quite popular among Laserdisc enthusiasts as well.
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>>52517749
>>52517852
>>52517886
You call that a beovision!?
My one's crappy Philips tube could eat yours!
>>52494540
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>>52517852
>>52517886
im in love but they seem to be impossible to fine
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>>52517906
nice
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>>52517906
I like your birb
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>>52494504
Holy shit that kid really had the money
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>>52494540
>upvoted
Up your ass, get your ass back to reddit you fagget.
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Use it for gaming mostly, reading on it for a while gives me a headache but I can play for hours on it just fine.

1600x1200 75hz
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Hey guys, question. For a while I was using a shitty Chink IPS monitor which predictably died right after the warranty expired. I didn't want to have to buy a new monitor, and I didn't have any other LCD panels available, so I just dragged out the old P815. Some things about this thing are fucking godly; 1800x1440 resolution, 91 Hz @ 1600x1200, beautiful colour reproduction, etc.

That being said, there are one or two issues. I'm not sure if it's because I haven't used CRTs in a while, or if this thing is dying. Firstly, it runs really warm. After 20 minutes the top of the monitor is warmer than the bottom of my Thinkpad, and it produces a noticeable warm plastic smell. The monitor also pings every now and again, especially on high refresh rates. I don't have any of these issues with the smaller E70 hooked up to my Power Mac. Should I be at all concerned?

>>52517906
Nice. 3 more and you'll be just like Lain's dad.
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>>52519024
they can get warm, but 20 minutes is pretty short for what you describe, a (very slightly) warm plastic smell probably isn't an issue, but burning plastic would be

it shouldn't make any "pinging" sounds except when turned on or when manually degaussing, maybe while changing resolutions/refresh rates it'd make a sound as well
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>>52515264
I find this fucking fascinating. People spend all day shilling new shit, and yet OLED screens have the SAME FUCKING PROBLEM we thought we solved by getting rid of CRT (ie, burn-in) and don't have the longevity of CRT.
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>>52519024
im jelly
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>>52518481
I found the american
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>>52519244
They are still thinner and lighter though
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>>52519665
so?
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>>52519812
Is that really a question?
Good luck fitting a 24inch crt on your desk.
I have a 19 inch crt and it barely fits.
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>>52519665
Couldn't you just use, like, a normal LCD screen rather than one with burn-in problems and longevity issues?

>>52519143
It's not really a pinging sound, the whole screen goes nuts, like it's degaussing. There's a mild buzzing noise coming from the monitor but I assume this is normal. I don't even know why it would be fucking up, it was kept in a closet, away from sunlight, wrapped in a fucking plastic bag in a house with central air conditioning for 7 years. Theoretically it should be completely fine. I guess I'll just use it until it completely dies and/or catches on fire.
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>>52520555
the picture suddenly and momentarily going crazy isn't a good sign, and if the buzzing is loud enough that you can hear it without pressing your ear against the casing, that is as well
at least ensure the power and vga cables are firmly connected
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>>52519244
>longevity of CRT
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>>52520738
yep, he said that
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How much more lag does the best gaming monitor (non CRT) have when compared to a CRT monitor?
Is it worth it?

And sorry to "barge in" with my videogame questions, but could I possibly use this
http://www.amazon.com/Wii-PS3-VGA-HDTV-Cable-Nintendo/dp/B0015MISAG
and achieve a better lag and picture quality than I could with anything else?
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>>52520738
CRTs can last forever if you aren't a retard
can be easier to fix as well
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>>52521506
Very little lag. The problem is that the lowest lag gaming monitors are TN panels and don't look as good as a CRT.
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>>52520738
>>52520755
In 1999, I bought my first PC, and I had some computers since then, but still the same CRT philips monitor from this first set. Works flawlessly, pic quality is perfect. Show me 16-17 yo never serviced flat what is in such good shape.
And with my Gamecube and N64, i use Commodore 1084 built somewhere in early 90's. Some small problems with colour saturation in one screen corner, otherwise OK.
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>>52517886
>>52517852
what's so special about it? seems like a regular CRT with a fancy cabinet and a bunch of integrated shit to appeal to richfags so they can jack up the price. I mean, isn't that king of B&O's thing? like sharper image used to be?
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>>52519665
>>52519812
it's not just that, flat screen (LCD) tech is just more consistent and easy to use every day. generally an LCD will either just work or be fucking broken, it will not slowly degrade/waver over time and need to be serviced or thrown out. CRT is amazing when it's working properly but having to deal with the little things like convergence, focus, geometry, moire, something with the electron gun, etc. getting fucked up over time is a pain. and then there is the warm up time. the best CRTs need to warm up, to the point where you can't just put your computer to sleep then wake it and have everything look fine in a second or two like you can with an LCD. so you end up leaving it on all the time which just eats power. flat screens are also easier to make larger, though that can also be a problem IE you can't really find a good plasma under 42 inches. a lot of CRT fags moved to plasma, then that got killed, now oled is their new hope.
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>>52523033
I still use my crt tho.
Got it a few weeks ago as a gift from my dad, apparently I used to use it with my first pc.
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>>52521506
simple answer: not much more.

complicated answer: "LAG" is a term that encompasses any amount of slowness or desync in the display. this can come in many forms, and then you have to ask if you can even notice it. many things are called "LAG" but most people use it to mean input lag, which is the most noticeable to the average person. the second most noticeable is effects that can be put under the category of "image retention", to most people ghosting is the worst of these. on a modern TN these will both be quick enough for most people. but there are many other perceptible problems with displays and to a minority of people these are also very noticeable. things like sample-and-hold, PWM, etc. It also depends on the game/media. slowness is much less noticeable playing a turn-based game vs something like CS. if you play fast games and are really nit-picky about these affects than getting a high-end CRT or TN is for you.

that cable just allows connection to VGA, nothing more.
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>crt general

So is this like pastafarianism? Where people saw others posting the flying spaghetti monster enough that they started to believe the meme?
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>>52524312
It's people who read a forum post in 2006 about how CRTs were better than LCDs at the time. They kept believing it and still think it's true 10 years later.
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Garret Claridge has a crt
I wonder how this will turn out
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>>52521506
no that wont work
you have to have a DAC
yes its expensive
i think a vga to composite cable will work though
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>>52494483

>Le great CRT meme

If the CRT=cancer meme was true, then the entire population who used a computer or watched TV before around 2007 (when LCDs took over) would have cancer.
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>>52495091
>Why your peroni has the same label as a nastro azzurro's

Because it's the same drink.
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>>52522233
>>52523797
TN?
I'll have to look that up

>>52525241
Some reviewers say it works, others don't.
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>>52525413
TN looks like shit
so washed out
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>>52525413
ik for sure it wont work with a computer using that
maybe with a console it does
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>>52512794
>what is 4:4/5:5/3:3 pulldown
gtfo
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>>52512761
Flicker is good for good motion you faggot
And most people don't notice flicker at 85hz+
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>>52521506
the reason crt's are "zero lag" is because they have an entirely analog signal path (that is, from the vga port to the screen is entirely analog)
the position of the electron beam is controlled directly by the sync signal from the input, and the color/intensity at any point on the screen is an amplified version of the input directly as well (which is simply a voltage level, typically 0v as black through 0.7v as full intensity)

that said, a couple milliseconds of lag is hardly going to be noticable in nearly all cases, at some point other things become more important, such as motion quality (something CRT's are also traditionally better than LCD's at, though things like lightboost help quite a lot)
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>>52525584
holy shit this is interesting as fuck, i never thought about it, thank you for this post, seriously
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>>52525607
np

also worth noting that crt's aren't completely "zero lag" either, though this should go without saying, nothing is instantaneous (unless you want to argue quantum mechanics or something)
you still have the speed of electricity, and more significantly, the time it takes between the electron beam hitting the phosphor mask and the mask starting to glow, but we're talking sub-microsecond here

unrelated, but also interesting, is that crt's have no horizontal resolution limit, the sync signal only affects the vertical resolution (horizontal line count) and vertical refresh rate this is also why crt's have traditionally had their resolution measured in "lines" (480 lines, 576 lines, etc)
what the electron beam draws at any point while it's moving horizontally is entirely up to the input signal, the crt doesn't care if you draw 320 or 3200 pixels horizontally, it'll work just the same, you're only pracitally limited by the mask dot pitch and the focus (you can get some nice high res images on a black and white crt or crt projector for this reason, they have no mask)
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>>52494464
But it's not finished yet.

>rebuilding my old iMac G3
>SSD time
>finally got around to putting 512MB ram
>still gonna tiger
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>>52525823
>also worth noting that crt's aren't completely "zero lag" either
Input lag on CRT's is like a microsecond
That's virtually instantaneous
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>>52526147
that was all you read of the post, wasn't it?
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SED sometime brothers.
IIRC Nano Proprietary patents run out some time this year.
Canon patents run out ~2020, after that it's anyones game just like Trinitron.
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>>52526409
SED is never going to happen. Quantum dot displays are already in production and they are the future of display tech.
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>>52526461
>QD
>Good

QD is still LCD level contrast.
Check Samsungs datasheets, everthing is ~1500:1, ie. shit.
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>>52526530
That's for LCD panels which use quantum dots. Purely QDLED displays would have infinite contrast like OLED.
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>>52512773
>>CRT is superior?
>It's warm.
So cat lies on them instead of the keyboard :-)
>It irradiates you.
No more than some flat technologies I heard.
>It messes up your vision because of the strange screen shape.
Pic related. And bad viewing angles could mess much more.
>It threatens to crush or injure you if you carry it.
I thought displays are for display, not carrying on (or being cold, or "cool"). This is a profit for retailers (transportation and storage costs) more than for a customer; they pushed switch for flats some years ago (when it happened, flats were considerably worse than CRTs) only because of this and naive people of course got it and bought it and effectively downgraded their display devices to flats just because of trend. And wondered why their bottoms hurts.
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>>52528124
>So cat lies on them instead of the keyboard :-)
i miss having a cat ontop of my monitor :(
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>>52528124
Being warm is a serious problem during summer here. My room gets like 85 degrees if I run my CRT too long
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where the retro builds?
show off your pentium G3258 builds boys
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>>52526216
No I read all of it
But nothing in real life is really truly instantaneous by the explicit definition of the word

The fastest speed known to man is that of Light which is definitely not instant
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>>52526461
>Quantum dot displays
Call me when they make an Emissive QD Display not this shit where they're using it as "just another light-source for LCD" bullshit
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>>52494464
Why don't you start by telling you to go fuck yourself.
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itt kids hate any technology mummy didnt buy new for them and ignore all the problems of IPS
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