>>52482674 >implying chemistry and physic matters Most of the shit you're learning in your SE specialization are skills I've been picking up on my own through internships and self study. While I can learn a lot of the CS theory of my own having an actual course helps out a lot. Fucking agile methodology and other engineering practices are something you should pick up on the job not though a fucking school especially since that shit changes so often.
>>52482802 Wow that's better than most of the SE courses I've seen. My school teaches the CS program like a math program, no labs or anything just very theoretical and rigorous, I've always thought it was a pretty shitty going through it but looking back the level of rigor was good for me and probably the reason why the program has a half decent rep. Good luck m8, come to the US if you want decent wages, I landed a 100k job in TX.
>>52483149 http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/pa/pittsburgh/forbes-dithridge/ "parents of college-age children can rest easy knowing that this neighborhood has an above average safety rating. For each of these reasons, the neighborhood is rated among the top 0.4% of college-friendly places to live in the state of Pennsylvania"
>Required: Computer Science 111, 118, 131, M151B, M152A, 180, 181; one course from Civil and Environmental Engineering 110, Electrical Engineering 131A, Mathematics 170A, or Statistics 100A; one capstone software engineering or design course from Computer Science 130 or 152B; 20 units of elective courses selected from Computer Science 111 through CM187 or Electrical Engineering 133A,
>23 year old >HS dropout >Finally realised the only thing that interests me is computers/tech/engineering >Fuck it, i've never applied myself to anything if I really am an idiot and it takes me 12 years to do a 4 year degree I'm doing it. Don't care what nobody thinks.
I'm prepping for enrollment for 2017 or 2018 for a dual bachelor major in mechatronic engineering/robotics and a bachelors in CS.
Any mech/robo fags or CS fags willing to lend some input.
Also any Ozfags want to give their experiences of Aussie Unis?
>>52483581 What makes you think that you'll be able to get a degree if you're just a failure of a high school dropout? Don't tell me you actually think it's going to be different this time around? >Fuck it, i've never applied myself to anything if I really am an idiot and it takes me 12 years to do a 4 year degree I'm doing it. Don't care what nobody thinks. Oh wow. You really do think so. You're just setting yourself up for a bunch of debt, a waste of time, and disappointment.
>>52484160 >implying it's not winter break You neets really have no sense of time
>>52484162 >time I graduate that I won't find a job in that field. They've been saying this since ever. As long as you're competent you'll always have a job. You'd be surprise just how shitty most devs are.
Fucking shit still triggers me. Got high 90's in math, mid 80's in physics, and low 80's in chem. I needed 80's in english to get in. Fucking piece of shit english teacher just would not give me above a 70. I did my work on time. I bullshitted the shakespear essays. I kissed ass. Thanks to you, Waterloo rejected me. U of T rejected me. McMaster rejected me. Fuck you, Mr. Williams. Your frequently slashed tires are totally justified.
>>52485208 At my high school senior english was basically movie watching class for most of the year. I was one of the 4 people that turned assignments in on time, and the teacher was very lenient. I took AP English Junior year too, so I don't need any English at my university.
>>52485208 >I did my work on time that you don't get a grade for turning in your work on time, you get the opportunity to have your work graded. what are you, special ed? is learning how to use a spoon to feed yourself one of your classes?
>i bullshitted essays so you didn't take your work seriously, and you wanted a serious grade for that?
do you actually believe the clever students who say "yeah i just bullshitted it" when they got an A? protip: i didn't bullshit that paper, i just say that to sound cool. and you actually thought i was serious.
>i kicked ass the only ass you ever kicked was your own by being a chump in school
>thanks to you actually, the universities didn't want you. the teacher just reported accurately the quality of your academic craftsmanship, and the decisions to reject you were based solely on the fact that your marks were below the marks of other students who were competing for your spot in the lecture hall.
>slashed tires lol, wow, so retard logic is that you are retarded so you blame other people and punish them by destroying their property. don't worry bruh, he'll be sure to remain cordial when you're taking down his order for a milkshake at the mcdonalds you'll be working at for the next 10 years
>>52485616 if you want practical you go to a trade school. practical instruction is showing you how to do your job. theory lets you understand the why behind the practical instruction, which you will recieve on the job.
when you go to a university you are there to learn theory. not to be trained how to do your very specific job.
I don't know how your school did it, but my 'english' class essays were who could bullshit the best on the first assignment. I still searched on sparknotes, I wrote the stupid essay. Hell, I would take an extra 3 hours just making stupid points so it would seem 'unique' and didn't copy paste key points. Every time I asked why my grades were bad, he would say something like "It wasn't good enough", "Second and third paragraph had bad points" or something vague. I didn't realize till the very end that the teacher would grade the first essay (which I remember I did very bad because I rushed it thanks to overlapping physics and math tests), assume the rest would be the same, and slap that as the final grade.
University of Toronto - Computer Science Math courses are fun, programming courses are dull (I learned about algorithms/software practices before). UofT has a wide selection on food if you like eating out.
Are there any physics/math majors who transferred from cs? I'm considering it.
Is this bait? I'll bite anyways. I'd be fine if it was math/science. At least I understand it's going to be a calculation error, or that I didn't understand the properties well enough. But when it's english where almost everything is subjective, I have no clue what is wrong. If I did a grammar or spelling error, that's fine, I deserve some marks off. But I couldn't find any. My friends at the time couldn't find any, and they got good marks.
>CIS core courses >CIS 231 - Fundamentals of Computer Information Systems >CIS 234 - Object-Oriented Programming with Java >CIS 304 - Intermediate Java Programming for Business >CIS 305 - Database Design and Development >CIS 307 - Business Telecommunications >CIS 311 - Interactive and Responsive Web Development >CIS 315 - Introduction to Object-Oriented Systems Analysis and Design >CIS 466 - Systems Development Project
>Applications Development career track courses >CIS 338 - Client/Server Applications Development (4) >CIS 421 - Multimedia Applications on the Web (4) >CIS 424 - Advanced Java Programming for Business (4) >CIS 451 - E-commerce Application Development (4) >CIS 491 - Secure Web Applications (4)
Information Assurance career track courses >CIS 347 - Telecommunications Networks (4) >CIS 433 - Information Systems Auditing (4) >CIS 467 - Network Security (4) >CIS 471 - Internet Security (4) >CIS 481 - Computer Forensics (4) >CIS 491 - Secure Web Applications (4)
it seems like it is a glorified baby's first programming, half assed web developer, management degree.
a degree where you have a little programming knowledge, little web development knowledge, and little knowledge about networks and security. zero knowledge about actually managing systems and providing support (rhce, rhcsa, msca, msce, ccna, call center, help desk, and extra) . you're not great at anything. a great degree for someone that wants to go into management for IT but that's it.
op just go to a community college and take some certification classes. after that then go back to university for such a degree. gain actual knowledge, experience, and skills first if a management role is your goal.
don't let people like >>52483905 get to you i just started and half my classes is full of people in the late 20's and early 30's. most at 18 are not mature enough for college. the high drop out rates is evdience enough. waiting till you are more mature, more stable, is the best thing to do. if i went to college at 18 i would of flunked out by 20. just like most of my friends did. instead i went right into the job market and worked my shitty minimum wage retail jobs, lived at home, soaked in the cash, realized what i truly wanted to do, and waited till i was more mature. i did all my crazy shit. college is now a breeze for me and so much easier than high school was and my professors love me, because i'm not an arrogant 19 year old dick head.
we need to stop telling people to go to college after high school and instead tell them to wait until they're older. no reason to go right off to college at 18 unless you are truly mature enough and know exactly what you want to do... and most importantly its a degree work doing and not a shitty "humanities" degree.
>>52485545 Leave your GPA off of your resume, but be honest if asked in an interview.
I work on a team where half of my department is contract work hired quarter-to-quarter (lots of interview all the time). So many resume's get automatically shitcanned based on arbitrary things like GPA needing to be above 3.0. The actual interview (once you've made it passed HR) is what really matters.
>>52483301 you missed the point. Nobody is arguing against the fact that everybody and their dog can make a "video game" on blender or anything equivalent. You are the reason CS is considered a fucking joke in academia
I went through the IT program, recently graduated, now in the MSCIS deal.
There's a nice group of professors for the IT/CS dept. and the programming competitions are pretty fun, ACM is a must, nice people in it.
IT deal was for the most part insultingly easy, spare the few hard as shit for no reason classes like Systems Analysis which is needlessly verbose. The final few courses were interesting at least, the capstone project particularly was my favorite. If everything goes well when they finish the research I'll get a credit on the journal for helping out. Going to try the master's deal with the MSCIS program and see how it goes. At the very least I still have a degree and the two courses I'm in right now are interesting. I should have audited some of the CS courses though.
In all honesty, I like little of IT, some of CS and Software Engineering, love managing and fucking with Linux and all that good stuff. I have no real clue though what I want to do, worse there's not much in the way of interesting tech work here either.
Bottom line is I need a job, at least an internship or something this summer. I'd just like'd to avoid some of the things I hate.
>>52485616 >>52485545 don't worry about your gpa, it rarely matters; if you have experience or some personal projects (or at the very least learn things and attempt things on) that you've done outside the curriculum that's appealing to employers
shit my friend had a minor in CS and out of the 100 companies he applied for, only 1 asked about the minor, I imagine even less cared about his gpa. they probably took note of all the shit he does in his off time and the couple years experience he's been working constantly
Doesn't suck because we have vast academic freedom to structure our own curricula. We get 30 creds to spend on whatever courses we want to, and very small set of obligatory courses within information technology itself, so we get to start specializing already at year one. Pretty fucking awesome compared to what I've talked with American exchange students.
>>52485545 You'll be fine. Might a little bit of trouble finding a job at first, but once you get one it'll be infinitely easier to find jobs after that since you have some experience to show off. Stop worrying.
>>52487216 >I quote from a guy with a top secret security clearance >"top secret work is a lot less fun because you can't talk about it. It's all the same physics." Doesn't really mean jack to my father who gets about ~250k/yr for a couple contracts a year.
>>52487224 No, a 3.0 is a B. You made c's in some of your classes. You failed to excel. You weren't even applying yourself. You will be mediocre in your job, in your sex life, in your choices, and in your standards. You're a loser
>>52487286 >Are you American? Here a B- is a 80-82.9 and a B is 83-86 while a B+ is 87-89.9 It sort of depends on where you go for uni. My friend has the entire C+, B-, B, so on ecosystem, where I go it's just the straight FCBA weighted by credits.
>>52487289 Yeah, my father was in the military for 26 years, has been working as a civilian defense contractor for about 7 or so, makes a load more out of the army than he ever did in. He regrets not leaving earlier, though the retirement/benefits are good since he was in so long.
>>52487286 Better save that money. All the pajeets and ching chongs are getting perfect GPAs and flooding the market. It will be an employer's market pretty soon and they will get the cream of the crop, and replace unsatisfactory performers
>>52487327 I wasn't a STEM major, I majored history....
Pretty much I networked my way into my current job without even knowing it and my social skills keep me employed. I'm being very serious when I say that if you can carry a conversation and make people laugh you're pretty much set...well at least in my case.
>>52487349 Keep telling yourself that until its too late. There are plenty of world class universities outside of the states, and my old job, a uni nonetheless, flat out told me that a foreign degree is a benefit
>>52487464 too bad you're wrong. ever heard that buzzword "diversity"? yeah, prepare to get cucked by me because i had the ability to go abroad and get a degree from a top 50 uni instead of going to some average-tier in-state uni
>>52487503 What are you even talking about? Yeah there are great schools worldwide but it's a fact that the US dominates college level education especially in cs. My state school is ranked top 20. It's cheaper and looks better to go to a state school than some random foreign school which may not even have that strong of a program
>>52487503 >too bad you're wrong. ever heard that buzzword "diversity"? yeah, prepare to get cucked by me because i had the ability to go abroad and get a degree from a top 50 uni instead of going to some average-tier in-state uni "Diversity" only applies to women and blacks. Unless you're black or a woman "diversity" will literally do nothing for you.
I think at this point you're just trying to justify wasted money.
Tbh I wanna kill myself, I could've went to NYU or St. Johns but went to some shit private school because they gave me the most money on scholarship. The school is shit, but at least I'm saving money. I'm lucky CS is mostly self-study
Hi /gadv/, amerifat. I'm considering going to university now and I kinda want to go to college in London to try and start a new life and broaden my horizons a bit. I'm wanting to do EE or SE. Have any of you done that before? How was it?
>>52487649 >leaving one of the best countries for higher education >spending atrocious amounts of money to get into the UK and spend even more on the university there when you can go to a perfectly fine State University here in the states.
For what purpose?
broaden your horizons in a different state, don't cuck yourself by leaving the country.
>>52487286 I'm American and the entire system is a joke. I've gotten A+'s getting around 50% of the marks on exams because of how retarded everyone else in the class is and the fact that they have to curve the class to a standard GPA.
>>52487661 I can't speak German, but I appreciate it. >>52487710 Is it really that much extra? I can get scholarships. I just wanted to consider going somewhere neat for school. I doubt any potential employer will find [state school #134] more interesting than the City University of London or something. I've just grown up really being bored of America. But if you're absolutely sure it's a stupid idea I guess I won't.
>>52487834 >Discusd this with your parents or something holy fuck why are you getting life advices from 4chan I don't have parents, friends, or anyone holding me back. I don't know, it's less about the degree and more about trying to just experience shit in my life before I get too old. The people in this thread are literally the only source I have if this is a good idea or not, considering everywhere else on the internet basically says "Yes! Do it! Your actions will never have consequences!" If the general consensus is that I shouldn't, I can just go to my local uni. That's fine by me.
>>52482302 I go to a state school for uni. Pros: >Got a scholarship that pays for tuition >Seem to be the best in my comp-sci courses Cons: >Scholarship adds extra unnecessary work >School doesn't have a computer engineering program (Stuck in comp sci) >School lacks many things ex: A class room with logic gate equipment, soldering stations, etc. >Appear the best in my classes (Was a B+/A- HS student who didn't try. Still am only half trying) >Scholarship program removes me from learning about university functions, and sticks me with the same group of people for lots of courses
Yeah. Basically my scholarship is the reason why I'm at that school. People there tell me I'm really smart, but I'm still sliding by half the time. 3.57GPA last semester, and I barely tried.
Video game maker here, been doing 3d art for about 5 years and c++ for about 2. Didnt want to fart around with an art degree so i went into cs I failed precalc in highschool so i think the math is going to kill me.
>>52487881 I go to a small local Lutheran college for the same reason. Piss poor family, so their generous financial aid was the only way for me to get a degree without becoming the latest student to "default" on their debt.
>>52488016 >I failed precalc in highschool so I did too. Wound up going to the local Lutheran college because they gave me a huge aid package for being a local. (The local high schools suck and the college has a reputation of giving scholarships to graduates of the high schools as a way of giving a fat middle finger to the local education system.) Ended up failing precalc two semesters and passing on the third and last allowed attempt. Calc I is what almost threw me out of the program. However, most of the professors know about the university's mission and the local high schools...er, I mean diploma mills. So, because it was only the exams that I was fucking up on (assignments/hw was a straight A-), I was allowed to retake the final. Passed the class with barely a C, but I passed.
Just try to ram your way through Calc. Discrete is Calc based but integration/derivatives are almost never used. More like basic proofs and formal logic theory.
>>52487243 > You will be mediocre in your job, in your sex life, in your choices, and in your standards. Absolutely nothing wrong with being mediocre. If you can handle your tasks at work and be happy in your daily life, you're fine, and you don't need to be much of a 'winner' for that. Fuck pointless competition.
>Will never experience American universities because I was born to fucking Siberia and only thing we have here is just regular schools, just more advanced. fugg its always so fascinating in tv shows and films
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