>40 hours a week IT job
>$500 a month (6k/year)
>"lel just go in IT you will ear a lot ;^)"
I WAS PROMISED 50k+ A YEAR WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS
Lmao i make this much dusting off normie laptops and installing them their shitty windows
>he doesn't work on his own
I make 30€ per hour on Each computer.
I get 3-6 computers every week and I take about 1-2 hours on each.
So I make about 360€ on each computer and I always take a 15€ starter fee that is perishable on the final cost (which I never tell people if they don't ask) So i make about 450€ a week.
Considering I only work every other week I make about 900€ a month.
And this is only as a Hardware IT.
When I do networking jobs (I'm a Electronics Equipment and software technician and I am a Networking And Systems Technician) which i'm a literally glorified sysadmin without the certs I fix major networks and lay cable on buildings (In my country you have to get a special certification to do this and its very strict as fuck and if you don't do it well you're looking at +2k € in fines) I make about 6k € per job and jobs take about 2-3 days.
Lets face it OP your just bad at this.
for everyone to understand
if I used 320000 currency they would not understand
I cant believe they are getting away with this
and this is considered a good salary here
I'm currently working on an iOS app
maybe with that I can make some money so I can quit this job
>not making some garbage vaporware "app" and collecting $25-100k on gofundme every couple months so you never have to work a real job.
You go word to mouth nigger.
You post ads you talk to people.
You get connections and learn things that other people and technicians can't do properly and people will just come to you.
It's isn't hard. Heck most of my clients come referenced from Regional Hardware supliers that sell me all computer and networking hardware at cost.
Shit's simple just talk to people staying at home shut in or just thinking the wait will bring work won't do shit.
I pickup as many chicks and dudes on the Gym as I pick up customers there lol
what the fuck
if you mean moldova then no
My living cost is really low, I mostly still live with my family ( not by choice they need me since the Houses need alot of maintenance and they can't handle it because they work from 8-8 non stop and my grandma lives at home alone and she needs company).
That and having a Septic Pit with pumps that almost draw more power then the electric switchboard and whole load of shit that no one knows how to do I need to stay at home.
I mostly automated the procedures and fixed the eletrict switch board with more powerfull switches but considering I'm still 21 I don't really have a reason to buy a house.
But living expenses where I live are around 250€ a month.
I mostly spend 100€ because I know my way around taxes and not paying for shit.
In most of Europe, "IT" is an all-encompassing term which means everything related to computers. As such, being a developer is considered "working in IT". It doesn't just mean "people who crawl under desks to swap out dead hard drives and perhaps reimage them" like over in Murrika.
You did this to yourself, family.
Couldn't you see there is a flood of foreigners ready to work for peanuts in IT? Can't you see IT continues to get outsourced in small and medium companies that don't need on site infrastructure as often as they did a decade ago? Can't you see the new trends in IT are byod which means there is less need for a dedicated staff to press reboot buttons and install adobe acrobat updates?
CS is barely better than the US definition of IT anyway
Being a codemonkey is only a bit better than running cat6 in the ceiling because code abstraction is getting to the point where soccer moms can churn out workable programs from home
>How do you expect to get paid the same as me, if the only things you do are fix the shit I use.
I did not see it coming
>entry level people in fast food and retail get paid more than that
yes but not here
also I don't know how long I can bear with the thought that someone working part time in a mcdonalds in western eu and usa earns multiple time my salary
I agree with her
I told already I'm not fixing computers
I work on mainframes
Finance grad here, You CS monkeys are laughable
>inb4 300k starting
No but I can make good money doing consultation and investment banking. Plus I can have fun with the stock market on the side for some extra cash.
IT is literally the fridge repairman of the future
With today's byod culture, it continues to shrink as viable career option. IT processes that also relied on dedicated staff are getting abstracted into service packages that are automated.
Except the trend is insourcing now, companies are realizing that it's very expensive to outsource everything; and are realizing that XYZ<as_a_service> was being pushed so hard because it made sense for the people selling the service (ie, they made money hand over fist).
You still need staff in medium+ sized corps/campuses, it's simply too expensive to rent network gear then pay a MSP to support all of the moves, adds, changes.
The stuff that will stay over seas is the code-monkey work, and server updates type stuff. Really though, this can be done by local entry-level people for less money, and you get a ROI for the company and local state, rather than outsource to some other country.
>implying I'm a CS tard
The CS ship sailed years ago. Soccer moms are capable of doing a lot of the work these days. The important infrastructure that you would need CS for has already matured to the point where you don't need to hire a team full time to do development from scratch. Not to mention the filed is flooded with graduates because of the hype and "computerz are da fudure :DDD" meme.
>You still need staff in medium+ sized corps/campuses, it's simply too expensive to rent network gear then pay a MSP to support all of the moves, adds, changes.
And there is an army of cert monkeys with years of experience ahead of you in line that flooded the IT job market when the hype started.
you act like people in these threads and on /g/ in general actually live in the real world. no one here knows how actual jobs work, they just regurgitate the dumb bullshit that is spewed in threads about MUH INDIANS LOL EVERYONE USES LINUX!
My university people jumped on the CS and Cellular industry bandwagon, now most of the engineers and programmers are struggling in a saturated market. Entrepreneurship and self-employment is the future and is also the way to reduce unemployment in your industry.
Sadly the universities don't equip you with the knowledge and skills required to operate a business in the real world. I spent nearly 3 years learning bullshit theories and irrelevant material that is only applicable in some twisted utopia.
I would never bother with CS as a formal education in 20XX. Data Science (a mix of business, analytics, and CS) is the next big meme that is growing. That is the next masterrace of corporate slave, what CS was a decade ago
>bring your own disaster culture
No business that handles sensitive information would use BYOD. If anything, this means that IT becomes an 'elite' job, where you are trusted with the devices that handle the important jobs, as opposed to just one of the swarm of people who maintain the desktops and troubleshoot turned off monitors.
The rarefaction is a good thing as it means those with actual skill will be able to find jobs and the unskilled will be pushed out.
>ahead of me
Nah, I'm already a number of years into my career. "IT" Jobs market is pretty soft around here too, so there's no lack of work.
There is pretty much nothing to do though, so I think a lot of companies have a hard time keeping people in the area.
>I don't know how long I can bear with the thought that someone working part time in a mcdonalds in western eu and usa earns multiple time my salary
This is irrelevant if your cost of living is dirt.
I'm a sysadmin I live in the mid-west and make a little under 50k a year, people who live on the west coast or in large cities make anywhere from 1.5 to 3 times what I do but they also have rent and cost of living that's twice what I make in a month. where I can pay my required to live expenses out of a single pay check and the other is just fluff.
you say it's considered a good wage where you live, so tell me can you afford to live on it?
How do we stop those fucking socialist scum?
In Poland just recently MP elections were won by a party that plans to give 150$ per child for every fucking child-producing hobo out there while they raised taxes already. I just want my country to stop robbing me.
>so tell me can you afford to live on it?
I can afford to stay alive
I work almost all day to be able to afford to work almost all day
it this how living is supposed to be?
I hate you with all my hate
the iOS gold rush is pretty much over bro. the only money is in developing white-labeled apps for banks and shit, and you'll be competing in a flooded market.
people willing to get dirty and do layer 1 seem to be kinda rare, but I guess it's because it's closer to a trade.
my area is kinda the same. the big problem that a lot of companies have is that they brew up completely insane job descriptions. I recently interviewed for a position where it turned out was about security triage and automation and project planning and selling those projects to management. Where the fuck are they expecting to find a total neckbear who is also a salesfag consultant? the job was pitched to me as a pure vuln triaging job.
I guess IT is lucrative in the US because people are really just that retarded about computers.
>this means that IT becomes an 'elite' job, where you are trusted with the devices that handle the important jobs
Yeah, just like the "elite" faggots that are entrusted with server hardware that does these incredibly important sensitive jobs. Their paychecks sure do reflect the elite aspects of their job allright. Deloyment and management of devices is a cake relative to what it was years ago, even in large enterprise that does not fall for loose BYOD policies. BYOD, with the right management is the future. Maybe you see it as someone that brings a cum covered Pavillion with a compromised OS but it is actually much more controlled than that.
This is about major paradigm shifts roughly every three decades. But to a certain degree you have a point, the "cloud" approach is similar to "mainframe returning with a vengeance", with mobile devices most likely increasingly functioning as "dumb terminals" in the future. It all goes back in the direction of taking the "personal computer" away from the user and again leave him only with I/O and a network connection to the "overlords".
Good economy attracts noggers of all kind. If you prefer the former and can tolerate the latter, just emigrate to the "diverse" west. If not, you're better off staying in Poland. Btw the new tax I heard of concerns foreign supermarkets and/or banks, not the individual citizen. If I'm missing something, please point me to relevant information.
>the iOS gold rush is pretty much over bro
Well, it's over staffed with the wrong people typically in the mid->upper management. People that have no real "computer" skills (servers, network, anything) making decisions about technology that they don't understand.
Time and time again, especially at the Senior Director and CIO level you'll have people with zero knowledge of technology just doing their time in the position because it's "their turn", and they needed a raise.
That's one of the major problems with IT in the US. Add ITIL on top of it and you're in for a some years of spinning wheels at 1000Mph.
The successful organizations don't view IT as a cost center, and actually realize that if executed properly (ie, GOOD Project Managers) IT saves a shit ton of money.
That's about what my first real job looked like (retail computer repair/sales), but I had it while I was in college rather than after than after. my first job out of college was a little bit better, but I had the benefit of connections at the company.
Does that rent number include utilities?
Is that food number for actual food or are you eating out at lunch everyday? (not judging I used to/ do this, just asking)
having 100$ left over at the end of the month is nothing to sneeze at. Granted it's not as nice as having 1000+ left over, but you have to work with what you have.
I recommend you force some of it into savings (10-25$ a month) and don't touch it. This will give you the means to gtfo of your current situation when the time comes. Make no mistake that this will take some time.
>it this how living is supposed to be?
it is if you literally just got out of school, and have 0 pro experience, You have to prove yourself and build your resume for at least a year before you get the nicer Job.
If you're a programmer it's probably a bit different as I expect employers will want to see what you've helped build. Get your github account going and actually use it. find stupid projects to do and put them on there, find open source projects to contribute to. the sooner you can prove your competence through doing the easier it will be to find a real job.
Whatever taxes you increase, it's the individual citizen that gets hit, because enterprise in repose to higher taxes simply rises prices.
Also, I don't like that my money will be given for free to every fuckwitt that can't use a condom properly.
Saturation led to imbalance of supply and demand which had two fucked up effects, one it lowered wages for operational staff and when unions and government intervene, they simply outsource or bring in Indians.
There is no possible outcome where you come out on top with your degree and earn a decent living. I have seen people with small ideas making far more money than an MBA grad working on a managerial level.
BYOG (garbage) is fine if the networks the consumer gear connects to is considered as trustable as the Public Internet and is treated as such. Essentially everyone connects to the guest network, people's work machines are VMs in Xen or something, and that's protected by a "real" security policy/infrastructure. (firewall+IDS/IPS with proper management).
yeah and that's just the tip of the shitberg of crap more suited towards a production line, like kanban and ISO9001, that meme-loving CIOs have adopted.which is why I primarily work with small businesses.
>The successful organizations don't view IT as a cost center, and actually realize that if executed properly (ie, GOOD Project Managers) IT saves a shit ton of money.
or it can even become an innovation center that generates profitable new LOBs. just ask amazon and google.
yeah, that's basically the standard corporate cuck work model you described. It's cheaper to centralize and manage the actual infrastructure that matters and isolate everything else.
>what are weekly team meetings where you're called out on what you've actually done
>what are biannual employee performance appraisals which can easily result in termination if determined to be grossly sub-par
It kinda works fine, but you need to draw a bold-face line of what you are willing to support and what SLAs you're going to deliver.
You want great throughput and 99.xx uptime? Sure, but all traffic is going through a proxy (transparent), torrents will be blocked and we're doing inspection on anything that's not encrypted and blocking all non-standard ports.
You don't to spend the money and want the network completely open? Sure, we'll allow torrents, script kiddies dos attacks, and bretty much all traffic, not have high overlap on the LAPs, and not offer AC.
That's going to to get boring bretty quick. You may want to use the extra time to study...
Same here man, you can make 2x as much in a larger city but then rent is 4x as high.
>work ass of for biology / CS degree
>can't even get a tech support job
Stick a knife in me Jerry, I'm done.
No Ill fuck everything and everyone and you can't stop me!
40hrs/week would mean $360 before taxes for me.
So four weeks being roughly a month means they I'll gross in about 1440.
Taxes are like 15%, meaning that I would make a grand total of $1214.
>major in sociology
>easy as fuck
>the degree is basically making interesting comments about how people live and how they used to live and how we think people will live in the future
>just our opinions
>have sex with a new girl at least every 2 weeks
>every day is bliss, carefree and smooth sailing
>straight into a comfy HR job
>50k a year starting
>it's basically a training scheme, because my degree doesn't have anything to do with the job lel
>spend 2 years getting paid 50k to learn
>after that i'm 'qualified'
>get a pay bump to 70k
>my job is now basically checking that all the departments have up to date training and if not i have to email the department heads and tell them they have to
>i spend about 4-5 hours a day (out of 7) playing office sports with QTs as the office is 60% female and browsing 4chan
>they told me that i'll be a manager within 2 years and probably earning close to 100k
Enjoy your autism though.
Also, enjoy your unwarranted and unjustified sense of entitlement and superiority because you did a """"""real""""""" subject.
I guess my 2003 Porsche 911 isn't """"real""""
Yeah but you work in HR, that's pathetic bitch shit. Have fun being the butt of every real employee's jokes. I'm sure writing useless policiesthat nobody will ever read is very fulfilling work.
but i am happy my job is easy never really gets harder their are no busy days and i have enough money to pay bills and have a nice amount of pocket change only thing that sucks is this will be the first year i dont get all of my federal taxes back
This makes me happy. Went to college. Got my degree. Tried a job in that field. Made about 40k starting. Was crap and didn't even pertain to the degree that was required. Went and did a blue collarish job. First year end I made 62k. Didn't need a degree. Doesn't make sense but I'm happy now.
>i work in a call center for a cable company
>calling "reboot the router and wait 10 seconds" IT support
>probably has a cringeworthy linkedin profile with a bunch of meme tags of words that barely equate to what he does
>like using 3-4 multi syllable words to describe troubleshooting a tv DVR box by sending a reboot signal
holy shit you must make decent money, I make 19/hr, after taxes I take home like $550-600/week
god I wish my job would let me work from home two days a week, they only let us do that maybe during OT and during bad weather, and winter has been so fucking mild FUCK
yeah it's hilarious how tech support workers want people to treat them like they are some kind of diety, when in reality they are using a system that was designed by an actually smart person so someone with literally little to no training can efficiently use it
>so someone with literally little to no training can efficiently use it
lmao and they even sometimes get confused and complain about how hard the system is
truly le bottom of le barrel
>interned at microsoft
>21k for 12 weeks
>get job at microsoft
>60k stock award
>10k starting bonus
>5k signing bonus
I barely even tried. Anyone who knows a little bit of programming can make bank.
I share your pain, anon. I live on Warsaw and after last elections I've started to worry about my country even more than during the last 8 years. Especially after they've announced their plans of raising taxes for companies. All companies, including Joe's Fucking Fruit Stand LTD. Fucking cucks don't understand that starting and maintenance cost of having your own business are already high as fuck, leaving space only for foreign investors that don't give a fuck and friends of the gov.
Btw, americunts, think you have it bad? Try running a business in Poland and survive for 5 years.
Fucker, it's not that easy, moving away is an enormous cost. You might afford it, most of us are barely able to survive, let alone have some backup cash for changing the place you live in.
kek I'm happy knowing I'm much smarter than you with my stem degree. I have studied many tomes which your feeble mind cannot comprehend
also hr sucks and is hated at every place I've ever known.
Read the thread you fucking nigger.
>>52472986 says 320000. Probably means 320000 lire, right? How about you stop sucking dick and unto reading comprehension instead?
I'm a support engineer and I make 30k a year.
I get every 4 week a standby week also paid.
The company pays for my MSCE and MSCA certificates. Also free during school holidays while they still pay me.
I got nothing to complain about