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I sincerely hope you're not still reading this so called "tech site".

Also what do you think about the recent increase of censorship on twitter?
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That author picture is so fucking cliche for that type of sentiment regarding free speech that it's honestly difficult to even laugh. What a pathetic human being. Holy shit.
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I am curious to see what is actually being censored. Any examples? Never used Twitter so it doesn't affect me.
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>>52454495
>believing a social media platform controlled by a centralized corporate entity will respect freedom of speech
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>>52454620
Basically anything that disagrees with social justice warriors and feminists because they feel threatened by different opinions.
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>>52454620

ISIS
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>>52454495
>we want freedom of speech!!
>censor this one! I don't like his opinion
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>>52456541
Are you saying that we should give up our principles and reward such ridiculous and blatant faggotry by reading more ArsTechnica?
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Annalee Newitz is the Tech Culture Editor at Ars Technica. Her work focuses on cultural impact of science and technology. She founded the science and science fiction blog io9.com, and is the author of Scatter, Adapt, and Remember: How Humans Will Survive a Mass Extinction. She has a Ph.D. in English and American Studies from UC Berkeley, and was the recipient of a Knight Science Journalism Fellowship at MIT. She lives in San Francisco with many other life forms, some of which have yet to be identified.

>http://arstechnica.co.uk/author/annalee/
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>>52456541
This argument is unwinnable from the conservative standpoint because liberals have very effectively manipulated the public's opinion on what is considered threatening hate speech.

The moment a liberal feels cornered in an argument, they will resort to the usual meme responses in order to derail the argument and win. Afterwards you will get promptly taken to jail by your local thought police, even when you didn't type a single objective cuss word, racist or sexist slur. Doubt me? There is already precedent given that a father was thrown in jail for two years after arguing with Internet feminists on Twitter. He never used a threatening word.

Fee Fees rule the future.
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>>52454665
Any examples? Censoring polite disagreement is one thing, but if they are only censoring violent speech or harassment that is something else.
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>>52457071
>The moment a liberal feels cornered in an argument
Yeah, yeah. Fuck off. Half the population are what you would call liberals. Only a small minority are going around accusing people of hate speech.

The moment a certain type of Internet loser feels cornered in an argument they resort to these tactics. That does not mean all liberals do.

And what is a liberal anyway? The term seems pretty much meaningless.

>There is already precedent given that a father was thrown in jail for two years after arguing with Internet feminists on Twitter. He never used a threatening word.
If I recall correctly, that case was thrown out. Got a source for that claim?
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>>52454620
Americlaps wouldn't be able to see tweets about the drone papers, but other nationalities could.
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Even in the US, which has remarkable levels of freedom of speech, there are limits.

"There are certain well-defined and limited classes of speech, the prevention and punishment of which have never been thought to raise a Constitutional problem. These include the lewd and obscene, the profane, the libelous and the insulting or 'fighting' words – those which by their very utterances inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace."
-Frank Murpy

I think that's a good guideline. Things that are intended to cause harm or incite violent are not allowed, but you can express any opinion. The only thing there I disagree with censoring is "the lewd and obscene" since pretty much everyone looks at porn these days, but even that should be censored in certain contexts.
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Before about two years ago, Ars Technica was the gold standard for reporting on tech. It's a fucking shadow of its former self now. There are an unbelievable amount of Jews and shitskins on the writing staff and very few of them have a real IT background anymore. Both of the "culture" editors exhibit this exact problem. They were fucking liberal arts majors that weren't smart enough to be actual programmers or computer scientists, so they just write click-bait articles breathlessly reporting on the latest fucking scandal about emoji (no, unfortunately, I'm not kidding: https://archive.is/Li1oo ). If it keeps going this way, I'll probably stop reading Ars within a year.
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>>52457084
Why did they unverify Milo?
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>>52457286
No idea what you're talking about.
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>>52457127
>ongoing
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guthrie_vs._Elliott
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/11/19/a-life-ruined-by-feminists-and-the-state-only-the-internet-can-save-gregory-alan-elliott/

>willing being an American liberal
Your mother should have swallowed that night.
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>>52457071
Typical conservative resorting to meme replies.

You're not even cornered - that's just the first thing you spew, probably because it's your only argument
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>>52454495
Ars used to be better. Now we get SJW articles and retarded comments arguing about global warming every day
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>>52457127
thank you politically correct anon, I don't understand the liberal hate
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>>52457240
Every once and awhile they blow my mind with a supurb article
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>>52454495
Is nobody really discussing her name? Annalee? Anally?
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At least Terry is still fighting the good fight on twitter
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>>52457084
Pretty much this. Threats aren't protected under the First Amendment.
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>>52457357
She's also partnered with a hideous MtF tranny, according to Wikipedia. She's a living, breathing meme.
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>>52457312
So it is real. He isn't in prison, though, as far as I can tell. And this claim is bullshit:
>The moment a liberal feels cornered in an argument, they will resort to the usual meme responses in order to derail the argument and win. Afterwards you will get promptly taken to jail by your local thought police, even when you didn't type a single objective cuss word, racist or sexist slur.
You have ONE example of someone getting arrested IN CANADA and are trying to turn this into some general trend of people being arrested that occurs "the moment a liberal feels cornered." ONE example does not a trend make.
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Twitter isn't your own personal website, they can censor whatever they want. You don't have to use their site you know.
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>>52454495
Let it all burn
What those parasitic oportunist "journalists" fail to understand is that Ars success lied within its lack of bias and quality.

Now that its gone people, no real STEM people are left and we have no reason to endure that kind of mess.
Collapse is imminent.
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>Twitter quietly banned hate speech
bullshit. I'm posting hate speech and nobody's stopping me nor people I follow that post 'hate speech' (AKA anti white genocide comments)
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wait what font is that
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>>52457450
Kill yourself.
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>>52457404
What is precedent?

>>52457415
What another medium is there? You can setup your own platform but it would be as effect as talking to an empty room. Besides such radical speech would get you ostracized maybe even shutdown. Circlejerks and echo chambers are the worst, this includes both sides of the spectrum: stormfront, tumblr, Reddit, etc.

>Colonel: You exercise your right to "freedom" and this is the result. All rhetoric to avoid conflict and protect each other from hurt. The untested truths spun by different interests continue to churn and accumulate
in the sandbox of political correctness and value systems.
>Rose: Everyone withdraws into their own small gated community, afraid of a larger forum. They stay inside their little ponds, leaking whatever "truth" suits them into the growing cesspool of society at large.
>Colonel: The different cardinal truths neither clash nor mesh. No one is invalidated, but nobody is right.
>Rose: Not even natural selection can take place here. The world is being engulfed in "truth."
>Colonel: And this is the way the world ends. Not with a bang, but a whimper.
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>>52457546
>What another medium is there?

It doesn't matter, Twitter is not government owned (Well, officially), so you have 0 rights to free speech on their platform. I don't agree with what they are doing, but they have every right to do so.
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>>52457546
>What is precedent?
So you have ONE incident where someone was charged (and not convicted) and you decide ALL other incidents will play out the same.

If this one case is precedent, then surely all the billions of cases where liberals have been cornered in arguments and NOT called the cops are vastly more convincing precedent.
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>>52457383
Twitter is by no means required to uphold the first ammendment.
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>>52457584
True. But sadly the populist-minded people in the community will see this as a failing in the concept of free speech.

What I mean by that is this (sorry if the idea gets lost a bit while typing), people should be allowed to say what they want as long as it doesn't obviously initiate a negative response (threat of violence) to a person or group. However if an affluent minority can curtail the ability to "print" ideas contrary to their personal beliefs then freedom of speech has been violated. This is noticeable if you ever visit Reddit. Trolls with no life actively police and downvote stances they don't agree with. The people were allowed to say what they wanted but the receiving of the message was prevented by a powerful minority or mob majority.

A good example of a neutral platform was yik yak before edgy faggots spammed it with bomb threats and drama queens complaining so that posts that broke their little world were removed. Now it's turned into a meme, attention grabbing, circlejerk, ID-enforced (new policy back in June of last year require you to input your phone number to post to "prevent" spam, it's actually so that the company can properly ID you and alert authorities if you threaten others) place much Reddit and every other circle jerk.

Just remember this, if it weren't for the radical and admittedly terrorist words of our founding fathers (if you're an American) we would all be drinking British tea.
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>>52454620
Political dissidents of pro-Kremlin invaders, for example.

But as long as we can sensor GamerGate it's worth it! :^)

http://euromaidanpress.com/2016/01/09/twitters-new-policy-misused-by-pro-kremlin-accounts-to-attack-top-ukrainian-bloggers-saveuatwi/#arvlbdata
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>>52457430
Keep telling yourself that, autist. The site is more popular than ever. More people want tech sites to cover this stuff than don't.
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>>52454585
Her appearance is going into satirical territory.
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>>52457071
>because liberals have very effectively manipulated the public's opinion on what is considered threatening hate speech

>totalitarian neo-progressives
>liberal
pick one
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>>52457337
There's a difference between "political correctness" and "correctness", anon. Not all swans are white.
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>>52457830
Also to add. It's why I love this place so much for all the years that I have come here. It's anonymous. Once this thread is over with, I will have no way of knowing if I encounter you again in another thread. All the posts are seen without being hidden, unless they violate rules. My and everyone else's messages are seen by a greater extent by everyone who looks at this thread. Attention-whoring can still occur but it's usually just done because it can be funny.

Nothing matters and that's what's great. You are free to do whatever you want.
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>>52457830

Oh, I agree with you completely, this sets a very dangerous precedent for the other major sites. That being said, I don't use any sort of social media, and I'm glad places like 4chan exist where you don't need to sign in to post.
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>>52454495
But everything in that blurb is true. Hate speech is a form of censorship that threatens violence if undesired discourse takes place. If you consider "speech" to be an idea that can be responded to with another idea, then hate speech doesn't count: the only way it can be responded to is an act of defense.
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>>52454663
/thread
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>>52457882
Those both mean the same thing in America. Unfortunately you can't call them what they are based upon their actions given that such labels are seen as ad hominem.
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>>52457961
>Hate speech is a form of censorship
Not if "hate speech" is defined as an opinion the establishment disagrees with. If we're talking about actual threats of violence and incitement to such, then sure.
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>>52457003
>liberal arts degree
check
>stayed in school for way to long because she couldn't get a job
check
>lives in San Francisco
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>wrote for gawker (io9)
check
>unnatural colored hair
check

Do they not see how they're all fucking identical to each other?
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>>52458063
Their hair color is very diverse, anon. True diversity is diversity in race, gender, and sexual preference, but most of all hair color. Didn't you know?
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>>52457084
>but if they are only censoring violent speech or harassment

Disagreeing with SJWs gets your account locked until you delete your opinion.

>inb4 publically disagreeing with me is harrassment
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>>52458036
>If we're talking about actual threats of violence and incitement to such, then sure.
Well, it's a good thing that we are. The problem is people who see that but agree with whatever cause the hate speech is being used in support of. Then they shout, "IT'S JUST SPEECH!"

There's a reason why even presidential debates have limits on speech (time limits): hearing what someone has to say is important, but an unscrupulous individual will use their unrestricted speech to drown out others' voices.

In the end, speech and communication in the political sphere are about conveying, codifying, and rallying support for policy. Policy has to be enacted in a timely manner or it's useless. What some might call "censorship" is necessary to prevent a dialogue from becoming an effective monologue.
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>>52458201
>What some might call "censorship" is necessary to prevent a dialogue from becoming an effective monologue.
>censor the things I don't so that the only speech I like is allowed

Sounds like a free exchange of ideas to me, totally not a monologue, yep.
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>>52454495
Jesus christ, that pic.

>how many errors in logic can I make in a single paragraph?

I mean, do people actually read this shit and think it makes sense? Is this what normies are like in 2016?

I think SJWs are destroying the left and we're going to end up with an ultra-conservative neo-fascist president like Trump.
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>>52458201
Censorship is free speech.
Slavery is freedom.
War is peace.
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>>52454495
>She once called herself "biethnic", as her father was born Jewish and her mother is a white Southerner and former Methodist who converted to Reform Judaism
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>>52457961
>taking violent threats sent over the internet seriously.
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>>52458295

>merely a coincidence
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>>52458274
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKvIngEhb8c

Daily reminder, these millennials are going to be leading the world soon.
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https://popehat.com/2016/01/11/twitter-takes-a-side-in-the-culture-wars-lies-about-it/

And after that you can read the response -

https://popehat.com/2016/01/13/a-response-to-marc-institutions-agendas-and-the-culture-war/
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Name a better tech news website than Ars Technica.

>pro-tip: You can not.
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>>52454663
STALLMAN WAS RIGHT AGAIN
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>>52458369
Ars Technica is the Pitchfork of technology
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>>52458201
>There's a reason why even presidential debates have limits on speech (time limits)
No, that's just to get sound bites and keep the audience engaged.
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>>52454495
/v/ still posts links to arstechnica

>do people actually read this shit and think it makes sense?
critical thinking is dead, my friend. When people read shit on the internet their first thought isn't "is this person lying to me?" or "does this person have bias or an agenda?" their first thought is "big words, me no understand, person look nice though, must be true."
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>>52458381

>i'm going to say something which makes me sound trnedy and cool
> but im not going to qualify my remark, i'm cool and trendy i dont have to!
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>>52457404
>You have ONE example of someone getting arrested IN DUSSELDORF and are trying to turn this into some general trend of people being arrested that occurs "the moment a NAZI feels cornered." ONE example does not a trend make.
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>>52458354
Yep. It both saddens and terrifies me.

I read a short story once in primary school about social marxism where attractive individuals were forcibly made unattractive, intelligent individuals had a device that would prevent them from keeping thoughts for too long, watching government run television was mandatory, etc, all in the name of making everyone equal.

It's our future.
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>>52458410
>he wants scientific proof to back up an opinion
You just said "you can't name a better tech news website than Ars"
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>>52458389
God this poll scares me so much. Man, it's a good thing amendments require 3/4ths of the population and 2/3rds of congress.
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>>52454495
>censorship is freedom of speech

Isn't this literally the plot of 1984?
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>>52458435
It only takes a couple appointments to the supreme court.
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>>52457127
>If I recall correctly, that case was thrown out. Got a source for that claim?
it wasn't. He was banned from using the internet for over a year, and spent time in prison.
>but he hasn't been found guilty so that's alright!
you sicken me
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>>52457298
He's a guy that's really cool, a homosexual and probably the biggest threat next to common sense against social justice... As you know, if you can think you can tell.
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>>52458434

You accused Ars Technica of being a hipster hangout, but gave no reason why. You didn't qualify your accusation.

You also didnt name a better tech news site, so i'm doubly suspicious of your opinion on the matter.
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>>52458438
Nu-speak is already alive and well. Make sure you don't say anything... problematic.
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>>52458421

Harrison Berguson? Or something like that.
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>>52458389
True this is why I favor a voting system that doesn't place the candidate's name on the ballot but rather lists their position in a few bullet points.

I can guarantee you that a few people in the USA would actually vote for trump if they looked at his stance like a resume. They would also vote what they truly believed in (left or right) if they felt free of the criticism from peers/voting staff.

Essentially trump could lose just because of his name. Also a bit of stretch but people would have voted for Obama in 08 even if he held opinions similar to trump.

Sadly, society has become superficial and attention deficit. Social media and smartphones are key reason for this trend.
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>>52458389
Wait more white than non-white agree with that?

What the fuck?
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>>52458478
>Newspeak is the fictional language in the novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, written by George Orwell. It is a controlled language created by the totalitarian state Oceania as a tool to limit freedom of thought, and concepts that pose a threat to the regime such as freedom, self-expression, individuality, and peace.

Accurate description of the speech allowed on Twitter and Tumblr desu
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>>52454495
>censorship is freedom
Dammit, it's not even a fake. Thanks OP, removing their RSS feed from my news reader right now.
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>>52458236
>censor the things I don't so that the only speech I like is allowed
So this is what we call a strawman.

>>52458384
I see you've never worked with lawyers before. If you give them unlimited time, they will take all of it to prevent their opponent from speaking. That's what a filibuster is.
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>>52458496
Yes, thank you I could not remember the name.
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>>52458510
It correlates with the lack of education actually.
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>>52458519
>So this is what we call a strawman.
This is also what the far left is literally attempting, and succeeding at.
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>>52458519
No, the primary reason for the time limits is just marketability. Nobody ever said "unlimited time," but 1 minute or whatever the limit is often is not enough to sufficiently answer the question.
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>>52454585

Keep in mind that is prob one of the best pictures she has ever taken. Now imagine her on am ordinary day and she expects you to go down on her even though she took a shit within the hour amd hasn't showered
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>>52458543
Actually it's white guilt. You know the concept of original sin from the Old Testament? People back in ancient times must have tried to repent for such sin much like how whites are doing these days for actions performed by non-relative white predecessors.

White guilt is the new original sin.
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>>52458274
>Censorship is free speech.
How did Blair miss this one? It seems rather obvious when stated like this. Well done, anon.
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>>52457877
>her
Holy shit, check your privilege, shitlord.
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>>52458596
>minorities having white guilt
Learn to read gringo.
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>>52458519
>strawman

Reality disagrees.
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>>52458564
Technically, the multi-person format is not conducive to a coherent debate. With as many as we've had, they could presented it as a round-robin series. In that sense, I agree that the format is more about marketability. However, the time limit is also found in other, more useful debate formats, for the reason I mentioned: the ability to occlude your opponent's speech is more valuable than anything you could say. Which is why a proper dialogue requires the parties to know when to stop talking and let the other speak. If you can't agree to that, then it's not so much that you believe in free speech being the key to sweet idea sex that brings forth the offspring of Progress; you just want your way and nothing else.
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>>52454620
They basically silently killed Milo in twitter @nero
He writes for breitbart.
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>>52458631
"Only speech I like is allowed" is the opposite of what I'm arguing. You're putting words in my mouth that you can rebut, i.e., erecting a strawman.
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>>52457286
>>52457298
They unverify people who had large following and anti SJW views.

>>52457445
get a larger following brah then they will shadow ban you reddit style
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>>52457240
>Before about two years ago, Ars Technica was the gold standard for reporting on tech
I think it's been longer than that.

>I'll probably stop reading Ars within a year.
You sound like one of those kids that swears he won't buy Call of Duty and all the DLC THIS TIME.
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>>52458740
>Censorship is free speech, all speech is allowed when you support censorship.

This does not make sense.
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>>52457445
Just get on Randi Harper's radar, you'll get banned pretty quick.
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this is a technology board. let's talk less about playing by twitter's rules and more about overthrowing twitter.

https://ipfs.io/
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>>52458941
Shill pls go
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>>52458810
The prospect of regulation is not binary.
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>>52458941
Sounds like Skynet.
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>censhorship is freedom
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>>52454663
I don't use Twitter for this reason, but what are we talking about here? Are they moderating posts the way you would expect of any message board (removing unconstructive, inflammatory remarks) or are they banning people who express unpleasant views? Moderation can encroach on free expression when mods begin to see some views as inherently inflammatory, but I'm not against it in principle.

I'd like it if everyone switched to identi.ca to avoid these issues in the first place, but I'm not counting on it. The Supreme Court has ruled that laws can extend first amendment protections to primarily public spaces owned by private companies. A few states make use of this by extending protection to shopping centers. Maybe we should push for similar laws that apply to any public, general-purpose, online platform.
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do you even visit other sites?
I bet you people visit reddit too
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>>52458472
I forgot that you have to name a better thing to claim that another thing is dogshit
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>>52459127
Honestly, I visit Reddit for jailbreak and fantasy football (not so this year since I was busy on draft night and I got replaced). I used to for WoW as well but since the game unequivocally killed any hope of redemption with the shitty expansion of WoD, I don't anymore.

Been coming 4chan since 09, far longer than any other site.
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>>52459127
I use twitter for social networking (mostly with anon accounts), go on hackernews because I don't know a better/less pretentious news site, and maybe medium. Reddit for information like wikis and stuff, never for user interaction.
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>>52458941
So, you can still DDoS nodes by sending a barrage of requests, and it doesn't appear to be encrypted.

What problem is this meant to solve? What is this?
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>>52457084
There are websites dedicated to their censorship. Most of it is simple disagreements with the SJW's and BLM and their uneducated and racist, bigoted views. Times a changing though.. They are about to "feel the crunch"
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>>52457071
More a reason to physically murder these types
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>>52459061
>first amendment protections
>.ca domain

Sorry everybody, but we don't have freedom of speech in Canada. It's not as bad as Europe, but hate speech is illegal here.
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I Newitz
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>>52459061
>Dat logic and cool-headedness
Bruh.
But keep in mind that those laws don't always get executed the way you expect. BLM protesters were kicked out of Mall of America on Boxing Day, for example. You would expect that to be one of those, "Don't like what you say, defend your right to say it," situations, but the mall owners argued successfully that they should be excluded somehow.
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>>52458533
It's harrison bergeron FYI
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>>52459127
The only website that I still visit regularly that I started going to before 4chan was [insert unnamed art community here]. Reddit is actually worse than here for conservatard /pol/ bullshit. I always thought it was funny that it was the SJW boogieman when places like the Chimpire and Fat People Hate existed (and just because some of those subs are gone doesn't mean the users are). And tbhfam they often discuss things that we refuse to for whatever reason.

Honestly, 4chan's format is perfect, but the userbase has gotten worse and worse over the years, as has the culture of the individual boards. I promised at one point or another that I'd never load 4chan or reddit or ars or Engadget or The Verge or whatever, and I eventually folded every single time, because it turns out that you take what you can get when you have niche interests and/or the desire to speak freely.
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>>52459207
Hope you rot in hell
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>>52458269
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

The current generation doesn't understand the concept of recoil, and when that shot is fired, they're gonna feel the effects.
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>>52459762
reddit is fine for amateur porn and for niche communities, like if you're into drones or wood working. All the poltards hang out in default subs and shit like /worldnews.
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>>52458941
This is interesting. So basically a protocol which enables you to potentially fetch content locally from a computer right next to you instead of everyone having to fetch it from the same server?
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>>52459817

>unironically posting "tree of liberty"

>eagle named small government
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>>52459999
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skMTdSEaCtA
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>>52460064
I just watched that video, bitch. That's how I understood it, but how does it actually do this shit?

When someone fetches some content somewhere, they also distribute that content such that computers close to it can find it?
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>>52457366
I love Terry.
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>>52460082
https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmNhFJjGcMPqpuYfxL62VVB9528NXqDNMFXiqN5bgFYiZ1/its-time-for-the-permanent-web.html

Read under "Federating data with IPFS".
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>>52457546
>What another medium is there? You can setup your own platform but it would be as effect as talking to an empty room. Besides such radical speech would get you ostracized maybe even shutdown. Circlejerks and echo chambers are the worst, this includes both sides of the spectrum: stormfront, tumblr, Reddit, etc.
But if you take it like that anything can be censorhip.
It's like complaining the BBC news website is carrying out censorship by not having pages with hard core pornography.
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>>52454495
Ars was always the poor man's Anandtech.

They've become increasingly shit because they know they can't compete with Anandtech and need to grab the shithead iVerge non-technology audience instead.
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>>52458519
>So this is what we call a strawman.
I genuinely wish it was because that's literally what's happening right now... Trolls and dissenting opinions are being bundled together, labeled as "hate speech" and banned. Just look at how the people who exposed Sarah Nylund as pedophile were banned when people didn't like one of their own being outed as a child molester.

However it's not like this sort of tactic is anything new seeing how feminism has been using it to silence men's rights groups for years by grouping genuine misogyny and people just wanting to bring up things like unfair treatment of men in custody cases and dismissing them all as one big group of "misogynists".
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>>52460260
WHY ARE WE NOT FUNDING THIS?
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>>52460335
Pornography is not an opinion and we're talking about censorship of opinions here. If you want to go that route practically every site on the internet is doing censorship because they don't feature child porn and we most certainly shouldn't have CP everywhere. Actual censorship for the BBC would be them doing things like intentionally not covering the labor party or the China.
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>>52460536
Ok fine. Lets say I love broccoli. I mean a really fucking love broccoli. I think it is amazing.
That is my opinion.

I make a thread here on /g/, about how much I love it. Being non-tech related it gets deleted.

I expressed my opinion, and then someone else stopped me expressing it. Is that censorship?
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>>52460518
In the grand scheme of things it's relatively new, but it's working, and it's just going to get better.

Now's the time for early adopters to jump aboard.
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>>52460635
>Now's the time for early adopters to jump aboard.
What does this mean? Is there stock I can buy or something?
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>>52459854
Yeah, that's what I mean. If I'm visiting, it's usually to go to the Oculus board because for some godforsaken reason /g/ can't talk about anything related to VR without shitposting/memeing/hating. And then, if big news of some sort is happening that /v/ or /g/ isn't talking about or that is within /pol/'s jurisdiction. But 4chan is still my go-to for anything /m/ or /co/ related.
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>>52460630
The difference between /g/ and twitter is that while /g/ has a general topic all threads are supposed to be under, twitter doesn't. What you're doing when you post about vegetables on a board not about food is going off-topic.

So a more accurate analogy would be to post it on /b/ or some other general board without a general topic. There you won't get your thread deleted, it'll probably be hijacked for some other subject, but it won't become subject to "censorship".
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>>52460469
Could it possibly be that some people troll AND post legit dissenting opinions and are getting hit for the former and not the latter?
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>>52460659
It's an open source project. I can't find any info on whether they're accepting monetary donations, but I'm sure they'd appreciate more manpower.
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>>52460747
I just want to make money from investments, anon. Screw that.
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>>52460774
Then maybe you should keep tabs on the project to see when and how commercial interest starts to grow.
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>>52460720
You can't post cp on /b/, and any furry is subject to spontaneous deletion without warning. There are always limits. The question is whether you're going to have some amount of buy-in to the scheme and therefore some say in what is and isn't "civil discussion," or whether you're going to continue appealing to an unworkable ideal that gets steamrolled when people get sick of the practical struggles of participating in such a community and decide to push for their own idea of what's acceptable.

Which is basically what's happening now.
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>>52454495
>In fact, so-called free speech can actually be used as a weapon to silence the vulnerable and dispossessed.

But that's idiotic. Censorship and violence stifle free speech. SJW's had to use free fucking speech in the first place to have the tables turned as they are now.
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>>52460740
That's unfortunately not what's happening as it would at least be somewhat reasonable. They're literally banning people based on just mass complaints from the political correctness crowd. Some victims of this have complained to twitter and been unbanned after they found that they haven't posted anything worthy of a ban, others haven't been so lucky.

Trolling is pretty much all done on anonymous throwaway accounts and we've yet to see these accounts actually get tied to anyone but a few of the supposed victims of trolling.
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>>52460808
CP is banned on /b/ because it's genuinely illegal and furry has it's own board, so it's genuinely illegal material and material that isn't being censored and has a board dedicated to it.

With twitter you can block out users and discussion you don't like to see and it's a completely different matter to have them block people and discussions because some people don't like to see them. Imagine if back in the day when slavery or racial segregation was the norm that talking critically about them in public was illegal.

What we're talking about here is doing a literal blanket ban on disagreeing with the twitter status quo. That is stifling free speech and only serves the people who believe the status quo should be enforced with censorship.
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>>52460720
So it's not censorship if I have another outlet from which I can express my views? i.e. I can't post on /g/, but I can on /b/.

You could effectively expand that to the whole of the internet. I can't express my view on Twitter, but I can on another website.
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>>52460973
>furry has it's own board,

there are two fur boards now
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>>52457584
You say the first amendment doesn't apply to privately own platforms, but then discourse about the public (i.e. the Government) takes place on that very platform.

So, the platform can inhibit the very speech you are granted as a right just because it can be deemed 'private'. Since the major majority (99%) of speech today takes place through some 'private' entity (television, an internet website, phones & apps), then doesn't it make sense that the first amendment *should* apply?
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>>52460863
Perhaps your personal definition of "hate speech" and "trolling" don't align with that of most people's.
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After GG I dropped ars. Theyre prone to shilling so I sought sites that werent.
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>>52461052

>Perhaps your personal definition of "hate speech" and "trolling" don't align with that of mine

Fixed
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>>52460973
>CP is banned on /b/ because it's genuinely illegal
Threats aren't illegal?
>and furry has it's own board
MLP doesn't encompass all of furry, and you'll be banned if you post most of it there

>Imagine if back in the day when slavery or racial segregation was the norm that talking critically about them in public was illegal.
Surely you're not serious.
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>>52461059
Did you find any?
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>>52461078
>Everyone else is wrong! Only I am right! All those people asking for Twitter to do something shouldn't trump how I feel about it!
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>>52461023
But by forcing other entities to espouse your views against their wishes, isn't that an infringement of their rights?
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>>52460973
>Imagine if back in the day when slavery or racial segregation was the norm that talking critically about them in public was illegal.
I think you'd be very, very surprised to learn the opposite was actually the case for America and Britain. Especially in the 1800s.

Slaves were owned *and* there were people who wanted to see slaves abolished. And, sometimes, these were the same person.
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Any rec on "tech sites"?
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>>52459151
wheres that things head? lol
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>>52460973
>Imagine if back in the day when slavery or racial segregation was the norm that talking critically about them in public was illegal.
Oh, it wasn't illegal. But private enterprises reserved the right to ban you from their establishments for being an abolitionist.

Oh, also, the mob-killings.
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>>52461120
I think you missed my point and that is my fault for not making it explicit and simple.

Nearly every bit of talk about politics these days takes place on some privately own platform. For example, there's Twitter, Facebook, that random forum you visit, the apps on your Phone, the cable networks, etc.

Rarely these days are there public discussions of politics in person, without using some 'privately owned' *thing*. The most obvious of these would be campaign speeches, but even those are designed for cable television.

So, does it not make sense for freedom of speech to apply since, in our world today, it's nearly impossible to communicate without using some "private" platform?
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>>52461023
what you ust wrote here is absofuckinglutely unintelligible
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>>52461202
No, you dumb fucker. What makes sense is to not support platforms that deny free speech.
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>>52461270
Jeez, how can I make this argument more explicit:
why doesn't freedom of speech apply to users who use privately owned corporations? a platform shouldn't be able to censor
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>>52461003
It's still on the same site so 4chan isn't censoring anything, it's just enforcing segmenting a structure of several boards with different topics. As I already explained, twitter doesn't have different boards with different topics.
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>>52457383
"Violent speech" IS protected under the First Amendment.
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>>52461202
It'd be a legal nightmare to implement what you want. We would need new legal definitions of pretty much everything you mentioned.

Define private, define platform, define free, define speech.
Gives me a headache just thinking about it.
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>>52461282
>more government please
listen fuckface, it's the same as 2A enforcement, I can carry a pistol but if a shopkeep posts a sign on the window that says no firearms, I have to respect the property owner's request by law. I won't give him my business though, I'll stop supporting his business
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>>52461198
The mob killings were illegal and "establishments" (i.e bars and saloons) weren't exactly places where a lot of public discussion went on.
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>>52461300
But that's what I'm trying to say, how are different boards on 4chan different to different web sites on the internet.
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>>52461315
>>52461331
if only there was a publicly owned resource in each municipality that the taxpayers paid for, maintained and used. most likely similar to the utility boards...

the sooner we realize communication as an inherent human right, the sooner we advance as a civilization.
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>>52461348
As I already point out to you twice, boards have a clear topic while twitter doesn't. If 4chan did what twitter is doing you'd get banned for saying "Intel CPU's are shit" on /g/, "The PS4 sucks" on /v/ and "G-Reco was garbage and Tomino is a senile old man who can't write dialogue worth shit" on /m/.

What twitter is doing is not even banning a topic, it's banning a disagreement against the political correctness status quo.
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>>52461374
>if only there was a publicly owned resource in each municipality that the taxpayers paid for, maintained and used. most likely similar to the utility boards...
ok you're trying very hard to imply the internet

what the fuck are you trying to get at?

I am free to whatever the fuck I want on the internet. Some site will ban me. Some will not. What is the issue here?
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>>52461482
the issue is the poster you're after secretly thirsts for big brother's cock rammed down his throat
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>>52461401
>What twitter is doing is not even banning a topic, it's banning a disagreement against the political correctness status quo.
well I guess twitter's topic is political correctness
:^)
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>>52461482
>>52461511
what if you lived in a world where you could post "no niggers here" in your business window and no one could do anything about it?
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>>52457445
you're being reddit banned (shaddow banned)

bots reply to u
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>>52461542
you're posing this question at two anons, one of ehich does not give a shit because the question is totally irrelevant. guess which anon i am
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>>52461579
it actually isn't irrelevant and you should try hard to figure out why. communication on some jackass's server shouldn't be censored moreover than a sign in your window should be censored
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>>52454495
I dont use twitter. I dont even know how it works really. dgaf
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>>52461523
Well they should probably clearly state then that disagreeing with things like gender and race quotas, lower college entrance requirements for non-whites, sexism in games being a problem worthy of being talked about at the UN and pedophilia being wrong is against the rules.
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>>52461339
I wasn't using "establishments" as a euphemism, but actually, yes, private residences that functioned as clubs were where such discussion would have taken place.

>The mob killings were illegal
Laws don't matter if they're not enforced.
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>>52461542
>what if you lived in a world where you could post "no niggers here" in your business window and no one could do anything about it?
But I can. It is protected by the 1st amendment.
What I cannot do it the actual act of banning black people from entering my place of business.
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>>52461717
>officers ask you to take it down to keep the peace
>don't comply, are arrested
>case doesn't make it to the supreme court because you are racist
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>>52461681
I feel you're trying to push an agenda.

It's like turning up at a white nationalist rally and asking to be given a platform to talk about the joys of race mixing and homosexuality. If they decline to give me a platform, it's censorship.
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>>52461717
This is true. What you can't do is post a sign that says, "I will shoot any nigger who walks in here," because it's a threat of imminent harm. Those are unprotected.

But then, this isn't a question of legality on the part of the government but morality on the part of private entities. You say it's immoral to ban any kind of speech, I say it's immoral to allow speech that silences other speech unduly. If the somone carried a gigantic "No Niggers Allowed" banner on the grounds of the RNC nominating convention, I'd expect them to eject that person. The effect of losing the speech of that one person is less hurtful to the discourse the RNC aims to allow than the loss of the speech of the dozens of black conservatives (including delegates) who would no longer feel safe participating.

Moderation is not immoral, and it's not censorship. You're either civil or you get to leave.
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>>52461782
you statist prick

you know what's a "public platform"?
Wedding cakes

you are just as bad as the people forcing bakers to make cakes supporting gay marriage even if it violates their religious conscience
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>>52458498
>Essentially trump could lose just because of his name.

I think you mean

>Trump could lose just because he's an unelectable monster who doesn't mean a single word he says, would lack the authority and support to accomplish a single one of his stated goals if elected, and is exploiting our governmental process to stroke his own colossal ego while simultaneously furthering a poisonous divisive mindset that is tearing our country apart.
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>>52461796
A private gathering like a rally is not a public space. You won't be able to go to a Bernie Sanders rally and talk about how fantastic trickle down theory is.

The proper analogy here would be an event center banning say Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton rallies in their facility.
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>>52461700
Once again, when you're at someone's own house it's hardly a public space. Proper censorship in this case would have been banning people to have events about this to begin with or now allowing them to publish newspapers on the topic.
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>>52461620
>police me plz big brother police all our private communication to keep us free
no, fuck you cucknigger
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>>52461953
The problem here is definitions. Define "public space".

The private rally might be held on public space. The event center might be privately owned.

You can see how hairy things can get.

Twitter used to be privately owned, now is publicly traded company.
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>>52459697
and thus the circle jerk is completed
not that I don't agree
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>>52462052
So your basic stance is now one of "If it's privately owned in any shape or form, freedom of speech does not apply"...

I imagine your stance would probably be quite different if it was the other way around and posting opinions like the ones you hold was a bannable offense on twitter.
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>>52459697
>>52458533
>>52458496
>>52458421
>I read a short story once in primary school...
>It's our future
The ENTIRE point of the story Harrison Bergeron is to highlight how retarded people like you are. It's a satire of you in a, "this is what idiots think equality means", sort of way.

>>52458478
>complaining about newspeak being alive and well
Yes, and the right-wing was the one who instituted it.
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>>52458596
It's amazing how much Stormfront has infiltrated /g/

They must be milking every angry virgin stereotype for all its worth.
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>>52461872
haha you guys just can't think this way, i guess.

it's ok
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>>52459504
>It's not as bad as Europe, but hate speech is illegal here.
Hate speech in a public forum (ie: renting out a stadium to have a "black people are monkeys" symposium is a no go). You can yell nigger in public all you want and it's not against the law (disturbing the peace is, though).

Frankly, nothing of any fucking value was lost.
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>>52462135
>So your basic stance is now one of "If it's privately owned in any shape or form, freedom of speech does not apply"...
no, I'm not really saying that. That would be like me saying I should be free to put up large posters of scat in your private residence because I should be free to do so.

What I'm saying it it hard, if not impossible to draw the line between private and public forms of communications/platform. We cannot force entities to espouse views no more than we can force them to censor certain views.

The only line we can draw is the line between the state and non-state. And the state should not be able to censor any views. That is all that is needed for freedom of speech.
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>>52461834
>If the somone carried a gigantic "No Niggers Allowed" banner on the grounds of the RNC nominating convention, I'd expect them to eject that person.
I'm sure you'd feel the same way no matter what group said person's sign was attempting to disallow, correct?
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>>52462198
Is this for real?
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>>52462268
By and large I think some reasonable restrictions on speech are okay, but it seems slightly too much that passing anti-gay fliers (based off medical facts, not just saying "fags to the stake, burn them now") is enough for a hate speech conviction.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/supreme-court-upholds-canadas-hate-speech-laws-in-case-involving-anti-gay-crusader

>>52462136
>The ENTIRE point of the story Harrison Bergeron is to highlight how retarded people like you are
I wasn't saying the story is right, I was just pointing out that they had the wrong title.
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>>52459675
BLM protesters and SJWs both suck and shouldn't be allowed to do their thing in anything but public areas. A mall is private property
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>>52462198
Never been there nor do I agree with their racist viewpoints. I am merely suggesting that people today shouldn't be punished nor feel responsible for actions committed by others in the past.
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>>52463009
>http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/supreme-court-upholds-canadas-hate-speech-laws-in-case-involving-anti-gay-crusader
The couple fliers of his that I could find through google didn't have any medical facts in them.
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>>52463490
Possible, that was just the claim made in the article
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>>52463490
I gather that the "medical facts" were showing STIs that are much more prevalent among gay men than the general population - probably due to the inherent better transmission of STIs through anal sex and lower condom use rates among gay men
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