>decide to give Linux another try after 2 years
>install fedora 23
>ui is laggy and glitchy
>try to install some extensions to make it decent
>extensions site detects gnome but for some reason doesn't let me install extensions
>firefox is laggy and unresponsive
>activate hardware accelleration
>make a 20-radeon.conf file and enable the options reccomended for my gpu
>touchpad occasionally stops working
>spend 6 hours trying to find a solution
>delete fedora partition and go back to windows
You don't "try out" Leenux.
You spend at least a year learning about it, what distro suits you, how to solve problems once they arise.
If you "try it out", you will run into problem, and it will be all your fault.
Former Winfag here
I really do not appreciate the amount of personal data being sent back to Microsoft. Windows 10 is slow, bloated and updates are forced upon you. Restarts are sometimes mandatory and system freezes very frequently. Windows 10 has taken the last shred of freedom from me as a user.
Microsoft is dropping support for older windows and only windows 10 is the future.
Windows is far more vulnerable to malwares than OSX or Linux. It is not free from BSoD or random system crashes either. Updating softwares in windows is very inconvenient unless you turned the automatic updates on for each applications. On that case, applications start multiple instances of update and licence checker which ultimately slows down performance.
Uninstalling softwares leave residue files and people have to use "cleaner apps" like REVO or CCLeaner or IOBit ASC or some other things. I am not talking about config files, I am talking about blank directories, logs, user data and registry values. All those cleaning apps are constantly showing their advertisement in your pc and this is very annoying.
I would use OSX but I don't appreciate Mac's philosophy of "Buy our products only".
GNU/Linux, on the other hand, is much more flexible and gives you an overwhelming array of choices. If GNOME freezes on you you could easily replace it with Cinnamon or Mate.
I admit some of the softwares are not free of glitches but on the other hand I can do my things pretty easily without having to pay loads of cash for them.
Terminal is actually easy to use. I tried going back to windows and had to open edge, search for chrome, download, open and installed chrome only to realise how easy and time saving it would be to use a terminal command for all this.
To be honest it really comes down to what you are doing with your computer.
I guess Linux is just not (yet) for those who do content creation or gaming .
I never understood where these people who have problems getting linux working run into issues. I remember having to deal with this type of shit back in like, '08 or so, but I honestly haven't had any problems getting a linux install working for the better part of a decade now. Maybe it's because I always just use Xubuntu, but seriously, I've installed linux on probably close to a dozen computers, from shitty $300 laptops to top of the line custom rigs, and the absolute worst I can remember having to do is a google search followed by copy+pasting a couple lines of shell followed by a reboot to get some obscure audio driver working. Why do I always see people posting horror stories like this? Are these people doing something retarded, or have I just been insanely lucky? I'm guessing some kind of anti-survivorship bias plays a factor, but god damn, how hard could this possibly be?
Just do what I do, use Windows 7 that has never had updates installed with a decent firewall and anti-virus. And only play steam games on it.
Use Arch Linux on another machine for everything else.
i hate it when people say that.
also, lol @ --
>GNU/Linux, on the other hand, is much more flexible...
>If GNOME freezes on you...
distros and derivatives are building the system for you, and giving them to you. can't speak for all DEs, but gnome specifically has taken on system tasks for the past few years, and makes it trivial to ascertain private information about the user. malware would target linux users just as bad as windows users if... linux was actually popular. it's not.
So it's not 'safer,' it's just security through obscurity, and saying anything different means you haven't a clue what your system is made of, especially if you're going anywhere near gnome.
Gnome is like the pre-installed bloatware that american retailers put on computer mfg'er machines.
Not that anon either, but XFCE's been working the best for me. I liked Gnome 3 but didnt really take advantage of anything it offered other than the overlay mode for launching applications and ended up adding an applications/places applet like Gnome 2 anyway. Shit lagged like crazy so I wanted something lighter on resources and XFCE works great. Whisker menu is a godsend and definitely better for me than MATE was as well.
It can be awful if your graphics card is not supported.
But I get around that by buying something that is supported (been using linux for ~7 years, so this is not a new thing).
If you don't have good hardware, maybe try a distro that lets you select drivers more easily.
Ubuntu, mint, manjaro etc are distros focused on the mythical "new user".
They figure out what driver will work for you and lets you select between options.
Try those out, see if it is possible to get something to run smoothly, note what driver setup works and then go back to what ever distro you want and apply those changes.
Gnome, kde, mate, xfce, etc should all work.
The reason you pick one over the other is more a "I want something to work this way" rather than it doesn't work at all.
When your hardware works (and I believe you can get yours to work too), it is much more enjoyable to use.
It has never been this easy to setup a linux system, windows isn't even in the same ballpark.
I love using linux, but for me linux isn't the best OS. It makes me really regret selling my thinkpad.
For my desktop I only use it to play video games so that's obviously windows.
then on my laptop and second desktop I use mac os because running anything else on a mac is full blown retarded
>They figure out what driver will work for you and lets you select between options.
'Additional drivers' on Ubuntu works like shit. I tried it twice at a year's distance in different computers (both AMD dedicated graphics). Both times after I installed fglrx it booted to a black screen. Whatcha gonna do, faggot? Recovery mode, purge fglrx, reinstall open source drivers. Except the second time, even that didn't work, somehow /dev/dri/ went missing and basically I had to reinstall the OS because I can't into kernels. 0/10, would not recommend.
At the time I was kind of desperate because I needed OpenGL 4.x for homework, and those lazy mesa fucks apparently are still at 3.3. Ended up programming without seeing what I was doing and debugging it one hour before the deadline on a mate's Windows laptop. Ended up pretty ok, all things considered. Fuck mesa.
It's not easy to consider, but Linux has actually gotten *worse* in this decade.
If you know how to use a computer (unlike most of Linux's userbase today) then you will feel more at home on a BSD.
>You spend at least a year learning about it, what distro suits you, how to solve problems once they arise.
>If you "try it out", you will run into problem, and it will be all your fault.
nigga i've been using lnux for a year and never learned shit just googled my way out of problems
I honestly hate linux, but I have to deal with it since working with rails on windows is impossible pain in the ass.
Work is work, but why should I use loonix in non-work stuff when windows just werks?
That's bullshit. I have installed Linux on 10s of laptops of normies and they are all doing just fine. I've set them up with an Ubuntu LTS distro of their choice, installed it for them (90% of the laptops worked out of the box) and set up to update automatically.
>Do you fags actually enjoy using Linux or do you suffer from stockholm syndrome?
It's a tool. I don't enjoy using tools by themselves, I enjoy what I accomplish using those tools.
Linux is an awesome tool, you can do whatever the fuck you want with it. Will it werk - depends on you.
Windows, on the other hand, great but you can't do more stuff that is already included.
>Linux systems are unstable and break easily on regular usage
>decade old bugs get ignored by everybody
Yes, that must be why Linux is the leading operating system on everything from high-performance computing clusters to embedded firmware on toasters
>inb4 b-b-b-but muh GNOME file picker
Get out, you fucking normie.
>>Linux systems are unstable and break easily on regular usage
>>decade old bugs get ignored by everybody
>GNOME = Linux
I don't have any words to describe how stupid you are, so here, have this webm instead.
>he thinks reddit has copyrights on memes
Get out normie
>You know what I meant, so stop being anal about my wording.
You fucked up, even after being corrected. I'm not "being anal" about your wording, I'm pointing out that you most likely have some mental disability and that you should probably stop posting.
>using windows 10
I agree with everything anon windows 10 is a piece of shit. That's why I'm waiting to upgrade until windows gets good again and stops taking sensitive data and checking for pirated games.
/r9k/ is a board full of normalfags and redditors.
Never visited reddit. You have to be new if you unironically think that everyone on this board visits that shitty site.
I know this is bait
But fuck me I'm rattled
/g/ is gentoo
I bet that you don't use the Dennis system.
That contrasts my personal experiences and the experiences of everyone I know who have tried Linux.
>Most things work right after install
>Never had any major issues that can't be sorted within 10 minutes and a google search
>Most problems caused by things not being exactly like in Windows or certain applications like Word having to be run in Wine
>/r9k/ is filled with redditors
>trust me, I've NEVER visited reddit so I know exactly what I'm talking about
Yeah, you're kind of contradicting yourself there anon.
Maybe you should take some of those autism pills now.
OP you're a fag
I never used Linux, and installed Fedora 23 the other day on my shitty laptop that windows always ran like shit on
>installed in 15 minutes
>UI completely smooth with no lag
>installed a printer with one click instead of dicking with trash driver installers with bloat ware
>Firefox has never been faster
>mfw you prefer the bloated piece of shit that is windows
>hurr n00b bloat install a real distro
>hurr ancient packages that's why your hardware doesn't work
>go to testing
>hurr go rolling release cuz Debian isn't made for new packages
>hurr bleeding edge that's why it breaks 4 u
Why can't you freetards just admit any Linux distribution is a spelling piece of turd?
>screen tears on every scroll
>installed a new WM and got it set up after only 6 days
>found a nice discounted videocard but there's no Linux driver for it, eh it's probably shit anyway
>mfw never thought shit tastes so good
>I haven't got a single clue about how it's like in reality but I imagine how it's like and that's good enough for me to make baseless claims about it!!!
>You can see them on almost every board, lately they invaded even /g/.
Yes, at least that's true. You see them shilling for Microsoft Windows, bitching about Linux because you can't play computer games on it, spout memes about how W7 or WinXP were the best operating systems of all times, etc.
You can recognize them by the way they write, the words they use, the images they post etc. Most of the times, they'll even admit it.
Also, it's not just Windows users. /flt/ and the generals is general, are literally /g/ subreddits.
They tried that in the past. What's wrong with
No, wait, I have the answer. In the past the userbase was much smaller and when you tell someone to fuck off that meant something. Nowadays there's so many people that telling everyone to fuck off just doesn't work.
That said, getting a reputation as being unhelpful will help.
I just redirect everyone to the generals. /g/ really shouldn't be the default board in clover and mods really should ban more people for not using /wsr/.
Showing newfags how to do stuff is probably still better than flamewars. Leaving for other chans doesn't make the situation better either.
why is that on /g/ every freetard talks about fedora ,arch,gentoo,noobuntu and other shit-tier distros while there is linux mint (cinnamon edition) and ubuntu gnome the distros that could really make any winfag go into linux.
Werks on my machine
I prefer to use an OS that does what I want and responds in reasonable time. I don't "enjoy" it, it's a tool, while I actively hate using Windows since it takes me half the day just to sign in and load the app I want, then have to find and install (with no package manager) a specialised GUI program to do something that could be done in one line with a proper command line and tools
I know this is a shitposting thread but...
I have this incredibly shitty and small laptop I want to use for work, so I installed Debian on it, but I fell for the GNOME meme so it's still slow as shit.
What's the lightest possible DE, or should I even bother with one at all when all I need is the terminal, Firefox and Libre?
I've used Fedora for 5 years full-time and after the initial learning curve, I've had zero issues
You know what that makes me think about people who start threads like these? That you're a whiny retard that doesn't have the requisite attention span to learn new skills and blames others for his shortcomings
But by all means, please continue.
[email protected] with 8GB RAM and basically only Steam, Firefox (with Ublock Edge) and other games installed. It runs like shit. Linux with XFCE (my main OS) runs smoothly on ancient Pentiums. Windows is the outlier in terms of hardware demands
>2 minutes later, Firefox loads
>Open a link in a background tab
>Click to switch to it
>The window fades and says 'Not Responding'
Installing an SSD will make Windows approach Linux HDD speeds in some cases, while putting Linux on an SSD is barely noticeably faster
>Muh 'Superior Frogposting Master Race' meme
You've obviously never used Arch, here's a quick guide
>Install software and configure it how you want
>Run `pacman -Syu` once a week
>If there's a new config file, it's installed as $oldfile.pacnew
The only distro I've had where stuff randomly breaks is Ubuntu
>it's always the user's fault!
>never the software that's buggy, or the documentation that's nonexistent, or the community that's being elitist for newcomers to their seckrit OS club despite newcomers being their lifesblood in the first fucking place
Fucking homo faggot
Please pinpoint the part of my post where I claimed Windows to be well documented. I hate the lack of documentation in Windows too. But at least Windows works (kinda) out of the box, so most people don't even need documentation in the first place.
GNOME is pretty much there already. good times are ahead of us.
you are wrong, note that this was with linux 4.3 and it improved from there. this is on my r9 390.
You ever on windows bud? Post install it takes ages to knock everything into shape. My guess is you had some shit old version of radeon, or your card was too new and you never installed catalyst. Also there are tons of graphical environments to try out, each has their quirks. Gnome is a shambles these days but if it ever tightens up it'll be one of the nicest UI's out there. For windows likeness you can install KDE or a simple panel with LXDE or XFCE. Linux is all about exploring and customising. It's overwhelming for some windows users, but any Linux user will tell you it's worthwhile and so comfortable to use once you find the configuration that suits you.
>Windows 10 is slow
>system freezes very frequently
Sounds like a problem with your computer, not win10.
Win10 runs perfectly fast for me and has not frozen or crashed a single time so far. The freezing/crashing issues I had with Win7 were all due to hardware problems with my computer, and ceased once I fixed those hardware problems.
>inb4 "microsoft shill" because unpopular opinion
>three persons doesn't agree with me
>t-there can't be that much people that uses linux mostly problem-free
>i-i know: i-it must be the same person!
>yeah, that explains everything, i just cannot be wrong
>have to boot into Windows because some bullshit software
>everything is terrible slow and buggy
>something simple as right-clicking on a file takes seconds
>Windows takes forever to stop loading crap after boot
>no fucking device works without downloading drivers
>something goes wrong and I google it - all advice does jack shit
>simple shit like mounting an sftp folder is buggy as shit
I'm always so glad when I'm finally back home with my beloved Slackware.
xubuntu, i always recommend the latest lts (14.04 in this case)
the only inconvenience is the default compositor, just change the default compositor with compton:
You can also add synapse, i'ts pretty useful and the virgilio theme is nice:
>You spend at least a year learning about it, what distro suits you, how to solve problems once they arise.
Exactly right. This is true for people who want to "try out" Windows and only have experience with Linux.
It's simply a little different.
unfortunately at this moment this is easily an unfair comparison because windows is teach at most schools as if it were the way how a computer is meant to work and be used when people is young. It's funny that some people compares linux with a religion when windows is the one that has something very akin to actual indoctrination.
I am on linux almost 2 years
I am not seeing myself going back to windows as single OS
but I do have windows for games, photoshop and as general backup if I fuck up(I did have mint as back up and for internet banking when I used windows as main OS as well)
I don't even know anymore whether there's really so much shitposting on /g/ these days, or there's so many bitchy idiots who go here on a regular basis. Poe's law is pushing for the limit here.
>Microsoft is dropping support for older windows and only windows 10 is the future.
Still not stable enough
>WIndows 10 freezes: problem with your hardware ( >>52455110 )
>GNOME freezes: lol @ u (amirite?)
I do not mind security through obscurity, as long as I can get my job done without the risk of getting infected.
As I don't want to pay hundreds of dollars for a system that is slow and spies on you every single hour, and I don't want rootkit activator in my OS, GNU/Linux is fine by me. Sensible computing IS possible in windows, but not without going through "Activate your PC" or random ads here and there.
I don't want my desktop to become an ad-space
The route MS has taken.. It'll never be as good as windows 7 again
On the contrary, they do.
Firstly they come at /g/ for their technical support. They see people using Linux, they try it themselves. Then they fail to get it to work like windows. They crawl back to windows and act like they are
>Linux veteran who realised the truth that Windows > Linux
Nah, i dual-citizenshipped here from /b/ over 4 years ago now anon. I know, I know...
>you've been angry ever since.
no, it rather is proof that GNU/Linux is not windows and people who want to make it behave the same will fail. it's something else and if people expect it to be like windows they will not like it.
cowadooty won't work on it, you install software using a package manager instead of searching for the devs website and downloading it, there is no registry, you will use the terminal for some things(there is no way to make a gui for some things you can do with bash/zsh), you will use keyboard shortcuts way more often, you will need more info about your system when searching for stuff (DE, package manager, OS), directories are way different...
>cowadooty won't work on it
Some of it will through Wine
>you install software using a package manager instead of searching for the devs website and downloading it, there is no registry, you will use the terminal for some things
All great things
>you will use keyboard shortcuts way more often
Absolutely false. Unless you spend your existence in the CLI alone, DEs are very mouse oriented. Which is a bad thing.
>you will need more info about your system when searching for stuff, directories are way different...
Come on, pretty much every Linux newcomer knows this, especially on /g/ of all places.
>if you don't spend at least 4 hours daily editing configs you are a failure
Plus bare WMs aren't exempt from this either. The issue isn't even the DE environment itself but rather the various stupid, illogically designed Gtk and Qt interfaces that you run from it. Keyboard shortcuts are all over the place in Linux, without any design consistency over what should do what (most package managers are controlled completely differently, which is just bullshit), commonly used shortcuts commonly don't even have a shortcut at all and you have to select them from a dropdown menu, etc.
>Absolutely false. Unless you spend your existence in the CLI alone, DEs are very mouse oriented. Which is a bad thing.
what are you trying to say here? even when using a DE, keyboard shortcuts on GNU/Linux are just way more convenient than on windows and can be mapped however you like.
you seem to think i was disagreeing with you, i personally prefer debian testing with xfce over windows while still dual-booting for games.
>and can be mapped however you like.
After researching for several hours on how to exactly word out the command you want to assign to the key, then figuring out what code your key is assigned to, then figuring out why it's buggy and doesn't work.
In Windows you have Autohotkey, which is absolutely reliable.
Yeah, because all configs work on the first try. Of course.
if you use xfce like me, you can use the system settings for keyboard shortcuts, no command needed at all.
>set up once
>panel is misaligned
>set up twice
>"oh wait how do I remove this fuck I don't even know what it's called"
>set up thrice
>WM glitches out
>set up quarce
All DEs nowadays have easy, transparent interfaces to set up shit like panels in 5 minutes tops. The only time spent on worthless research is due to troubleshooting if something screws up (which isn't too often).
Because you don't have to just set a new shortcut, but replace the old one. Which piles up just more unneeded research.
>Because you don't have to just set a new shortcut, but replace the old one. Which piles up just more unneeded research.
that kinda makes sense but most programs have shortcut settings, see deadbeef here.
>Install Ubuntu MATE + i3 on my Thinkpad x250.
Literally never have any catastrophic problems, nothing that isn't like any other computer problem. It's to the point where I don't understand how other people can be having so much difficulty an pretty much having their computers explode.
I guess in retrospect I did have to do certain things to get certain things to work, some of which took hours or days but really it was barely noticeable as a problem since I like computers and it was enjoyable + helped me learn Linux.
On top of this, I use Windows, OSX and Linux interchangeably however I see fit and I almost always just use Linux; so it's not even that I am 'forcing' myself to just use Linux.
This guy is pretty much right. Linux isn't very difficult to learn any-more for normal-people stuff (and I don't just mean Netflix/Facebook; I mean normal student/professional/etc. stuff).
People will know just as little about how to do not-normal stuff on Windows as they will on Linux; that's the bottom line. As long as they can do what they need to do (which they can) and get someone to help them when it's an "IT problem" then they will barley notice the difference between OSes.
firstly, nice blog post.
>ui is laggy and glitchy
also running f23 here. my hardware is pretty shitty, but gnome is running perfectly.
do you have a third world ethiopian dogshit computer? try XFCE.
I'm dual booting windows 10 and mint Linux with cinnamon, I definitely prefer it over Ubuntu, things seem much more straight forward to me, Ubuntu has kind of proprietised things to their liking, I probably still prefer to install things using a graphical ui to be honest, people say it's easier to use terminal command but it always feels like a chore and a step back into the early nineties for me, windows 10 is OK but definitely flawed, I have had times where I'm starting up and it just sits there for almost an hour doing nothing with no explanation, or I might want to do something but I can't because it has to install 4 or 5 god dam updates, and even just navigating to your installed apps is harder then ever with this shitty start menu, even the file explorer is more convoluted but generally speaking, I get about my tasks in windows 10 without smashing my face into the keyboard most of the time, Linux mint is fantastically simple to navigate and although I don't quite have all the apps I would like (actually it's about half of less) it's great for most daily tasks, it just gets annoying when you suddenly need something and you have to spend half the day on the internet finding a straight answer from some forum full of Linux fags who know what your after but would rather give you some shitty smart arse cunt fuck response :-)
>read a week about distros on /g/
>try out ubuntu gnome
>it just werks
its my default OS for shitposting and uni programming, while i use Windows for Visual Studio and Office
works for me man
but that's the way it is, if you're used to linux linux is what's logical to you, and if you're used to windows or osx then windows or osx is what's logical to you
i would reccomend though that if you're a starter you should use something like *buntu that aims to be starter friendly
when you're more familiar with the distros and know what you need you should install something else
me for instance, i want stability most of all and don't mind spending some time to set things up on a machine i'll be using many hours a day for years to come, so i chose debian
something else might be right for you
>I probably still prefer to install things using a graphical ui to be honest, people say it's easier to use terminal command but it always feels like a chore and a step back into the early nineties for me
>install arch and setup wm for 20 mins
>ui is fine
>install firefox 42 and blacklist it from ever updating
>firefox is fine
>have nvidia products
>graphics works fine
>have gentoo on laptop
>touchpad works fine because kernel modules
>spend no time looking for solutions because there are no problems
>never look back again
If I have fglrx installed on my system I get to the boot screen fine, but only one monitor works, and whenever I log in, I get stuck in a login loop. On top of this, my .Xauthority keeps getting set to be owned by root and not my user.
im very confused
I can't get my second monitor to work with my r9 390. xrandr just lists 1 monitor labeled as "default". If I try to use fglrx i get stuck in a login loop and everything gets fucked
>expecting the average winfag to know what powershell is
Powershell really isn't anything like bash, though. It's not intended to be used by average end users, just system administrators.
Are you seriously expecting to get any reply from memetarded 'Linux community'?
using a de is fucking autistic, that's why. why use lxde when you can just use openbox, which lxde uses as their wm? why not use i3 or fluxbox or dwm or bspwm instead? only normies have time to install 4 billion dependencies for a de.
Yeah i actually do, all the custom-ability, source code compiling, terminal magic and geeky shit like that really gets my dick hard. If you don't like that you can go fuck yourself.
Loonitards, seems you're so proud of your CLI. Show me how can I do this in your supposedly 'geeky' and 'superior' terminal?
Not expecting any response from meme spouting autists such as yourself :^)
>inb4 muh botnet, muh amd, muh arm
What exactly are you trying to do with it? like give me an example, not saying that powershell isn't one of the better moves microsoft has made, but show me the source and we'll talk. But hey man i'll give you its the best piece of shit you can buy for a hundred bucks or so. ;^)
Like pass an object into the output pipeline. Can't you read? Inb4 pic related.
Wasn't the piping of commands together, something you've bragged about just a moment ago? >>52467787 What happened?
Yes, that's the basic piping that Linux can't handle.
Yeah so pipe commands together?, use fifo for running processes, whats the problem? You can pass information between programs all day long. What specifically couldn't you solve here either internally withing the software, piping existing software, global environment variables, bash scripting or etc. The premiss of linux is to keep it simple don't blame me when your asking how to do some convuluted non-specific thing and why it wont work. Its an argument in terms anon.
Personally i dont think "command 1 | command 2" is that big of fucking deal. throw some regular expressions in and your fucking set.
Tell me specifically what your trying to do, because i think all you did was find some powershell function and pass it off as the holy grail of windows superiority completely ignoring the restricting and intrinsically buggy system your working so hard to defend. So again, What do you need to do, and why could it not be done simpler with a couple basic shell programs?
>At least i can pipe commands together, so thats pretty dope
>Personally i dont think "command 1 | command 2" is that big of fucking deal.
Just showing retarded meme spouters for who they're
This board is filled with people that are either too dumb or too lazy to solve problems in a basic computing evironment.
If you're not willing to search for drivers or audit packages then *nix is not for you. There isn't a giant corporation working around the clock to provide drivers for archaic hardware across multiple *nix distributions. If you're incapable of doing your own research or have been made far too complacent by straightforward consumer grade products then fuck off. *nix is for people who like solving problems and getting their hands dirty. Getting this thing mainstreamed is damn near impossible for this very fact.
>This board is filled with people that are either too dumb or too lazy to solve problems in a basic computing evironment.
>If you're not willing to search for drivers or audit packages then *nix is not for you. There isn't a giant corporation working around the clock to provide drivers for archaic hardware across multiple *nix distributions. If you're incapable of doing your own research or have been made far too complacent by straightforward consumer grade products then fuck off. *nix is for people who like solving problems and getting their hands dirty. Getting this thing mainstreamed is damn near impossible for this very fact.
You are now aware of the fact that MacOS is *nix. You are also aware of the fact that Linux elitism and feeling superior because you make problems more complicated than they have to be is the highest of fedora-tiers. Furthermore, you're a faggot.
Nah i just like to annotate my argument with the same absurdity this entire thread and the millions of other threads are about. If its a joke i might as well laugh. Your entire motivation here isn't about correctness its just about filling up enough space with ad-hominem's and bullshit so that people buy your product, and my entire motivation is that its a sad thing, i don't have to be completely respectful to call out bullshit nor do i represent the entirety of this implied community your trying to demonize. So again why is windows better?
>have been consistently using Linux for over a year
How's that reading comprehension class working out for you?
people like you are why we can't have nice things.
MacOS comes from a unix background, fucking so did windows. Not all linux/BSD operating systems are the same, hell thats the point, difference in opinion. The whole thing with open source *nix programs is you have a system where you can actually solve problems that otherwise would've been unsolvable because of license agreements and closed source programs. Better yet you can repurpose it to solve whatever computer applicable problem you want without shilling over hard earned monies for programs that don't work. If your only argument against linux as a whole, both as a programming environment and as a user oriented system is that it doesn't have powershell well then fuck man i guess i'm caught.
>loonitards your precious cli
>microsoft powershell shit
assuming your arguing against linux, for windows, but no your probably trying to solve a legitimate problem, without a specific applicable purpose i might add, trying desperately to ask for good advice and not just making a broad shitpost against it. Its a convenience vs security/autonomy point and i sincerely hope your getting paid well for devil's advocate here, because your working pretty hard.
Not the same guy, but it's hilarious how powershell got you triggered so badly, yet you ignored all the other issues mentioned in this thread and posted here thousand times
>you know that this doesn't even make sense on *nix right?
Are you another fizzbizzer who decided he's a programming genius after putting together a couple of ricing scripts in bash?
Or are you trying to apply point 1 from >>52468749
All gui's just sit on top of other programs and libraries, the only difference is that windows revolves around convoluted bullshit because it doesn't want to give up its source code or lose money. There are gui's in linux, you don't have to use the command line, but then again if windows gui's made up for this then why powershell? Its not like their trying to mask how little you can actually do with it right?
>If the two sub-processes do not run at the same time pipes or sockets won't work for you – their buffers would be too small for the 'huge binary file' and the first process will block waiting for anything for reading the data.
Linux, what a great OS! Surely that's is not a 'convoluted bullshit'.
*nix: everything is a text file
windows: everything is an object
never dicked around with powershell but since it only depends on .NET it should work in wine anyway, what's your problem?
Objects is a pretty broad term to be fair, if your referring to objects and classes within windows programs it makes sense but as seen from bash which is a standalone shell talking to other programs it doesn't. Windows can do shit like that because all the programs it talks to aren't individual programs to be strung together but are essential a link in the chain of windows architecture itself. There is no .Net architecture, there are no COM objects. I mean you can spout about classes and objects talking about c libraries, but because were talking about a shell that links programs and powershell is more like a middle man between an entire framework its not going to make sense. Again why would i need to pipeline objects when i can pipe simple programs programs together and achieve the same effect?
I don't got a problem with powershell, but as a reason for windows over linux its ridiculous. More my problem with windows is its tendency towards user manipulation and its we'll do it for you trust us approach.
You want pipeline working for interoperability. If every program will implement their own sharing interface you won't be able to pipe them together without recoding. Also for parallelism, and remote execution. Otherwise you have to solve those things manually for each and every application you'll be using in your pipeline.
And anyway, wasn't the whole philosophy of unix/linux to keep applications as small as possible, doing one task only?
Why Linux CLI is such shit in this case?
The shell does its job well, it doesn't do other programs jobs. Overall i see your point but its the difference between standalone programs developed by a wide variety of sources as opposed to a cohesive whole developed by one company or at least to the benefit and ultimate control of one company to determine. Overall are there things linux suffers from because of its decentralized nature yeah. But its better to deal with that then add to the microsoft dick sucking party. Should there be a better way for realtime information to be shared between programs probably, but each developer has their own preference on how to and what language to write code. The difference with linux is i can audit rearrange and re-utilize the source to my whim, whereas with windows ultimately it ends up out of my grasp, and most of the complex programs are complex simply to suit the purpose of obfuscation on part of windows, most anything i need to do in linux is as simple as redirecting information from stdout to another program because most linux programs are wrote with the intention of doing one job simply and doing it well. Windows programs arn't.
I don't use windows, ergo it makes no sense to use a shell designed for window's programs. The linux philosophy is if something doesn't work fix it. My shell works for me, powershell "works" for them do ya see what i'm getting at.
1. CLI doesn't and shouldn't care if your program was developed by one company or a variety of devs, as long as it outputs to std
2. CLI is not designed for any specific platform as long as programs that run can output to std
3. Why anybody would brag about CLI that's factually inferior to other alternatives available on the market.
4. I'm also not sure if "linux philosophy" has anything to do with sucking dicks, or with their CLI being on par with MSDOS form 2 decades ago. But it apparently does.
>"linux programs are wrote with the intention of doing one job simply and doing it well"
Yet ironically, windows is the one that does it simple and well in this case.
>"My shell works for me..."