What is the best IDE and why is it Visual Studio 2015? >inb4

Although I will admit VS does have some handy features, I honestly prefer to work without an IDE.

My OS is my IDE

So, VS2015 wanted to update, so I let it, after it completed it made me restart the computer and it gave me one of those percentage screens that you get after a windows update.
It stopped at 100%, after about 1 hour I googled it, on MS support pages it told me to reboot, so I did.
It now told me that windows update failed and it was reverting to pre-update.
After 30 min of this, my computer seemed to boot just fine, but then started to throw BSOD's left and right.

Best IDE, indeed.

Literally sitting here trying to get this sorted right now.

>>52369656
KDevelop is all I need

>>52369656
>postulating an initial open ended question then changing the question to one that seeks validation for your own opinionated answer to the initial question disregarding that the initial question is open ended and has no definitive correct answer

>>52369656
atom text editor

>>52369821
>but then started to throw BSOD's left and right.
0/10

>>52369656
QtCreator for c/c++
Sublime for everything else

Vim rapes everything else, but it has a steep learning&setup curve.
VS is fine too, if you're a windowsfag

>>52369857
Build in botnet

>>52369869
what?
Im sitting here right now, downloading win7 iso to try to fix this shit.
Don't ask me why MS felt it necessary to perform so system update just to update a fucking IDE.
If you're interested, it's the bad_pool_caller and irql_not_less_or_equal bsod's Im getting.

>>52369656
I'm using MonoDevelop on Windows

>>52369656
I proudly use Visual Studio (2013) for C++

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>>52369928
>Windows

>>52369857

It needs some work, but I like it.

>>52369656

But you're completely right.

Clean as fuck, lightweight as fuck, all dem features.

>>52369984
>Visual Studio thread
what did you expect?

I love IntelliJ

>>52369928
BSOD isn't implemented in OS after XP, stop bullshitting

>>52369919
I'm sorry we're singing the praises of VS and you're calling atom a botnet... what the fuck kind of upside down mumbo jumbo dipshit are you?

>>52369972
I use VS2015 for C++ and to be fair it is pretty great.

>ide
Just use SATA

>>52369994
>Any IDE
>lightweight

Clion with emacs keybindings

>>52369656
A lot of neat features, only IDE's that really compete with it would have to be Jetbrains.

>>52369994
>visual studio
>lightweight
i literary dumped it solely because of the bloat and adware

>>52371017
underrated post

>>52369656
none of the inb4(s) listed are actually considered IDEs they are fucking text-editors. A Integrated Development Environment consists of various development tools such as a debugger, disassembler, compiler, and etc.

VS2013 > 2015
just look how fucking buggy is 2015 version and compare it to 2013

using vs13 for c# and asp, code::blocks for c++

>>52369994
>takes seven weeks to install
>lightweight as fuck

>>52369821
yeah, i call this bug studio 2015

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Is it true that Windows and Visual Studio users need to "activate" their software or it refuses to work?

>>52371428

yes its like that even for visual studio kek

i got them activated though

>>52371428
>muh cant spend two minutes activating for access to superior software

>>52371428
yes even the free version

>>52371203
>>52371074
kek, you do realise you can customize the install and only install the bare essentials? Or are you "express install" babbies?

notepad++ and codeblocks are superior

Qtcreator is a real insider tipp
Even for none qt projects
Its simply perfect

>>52371560
last time i custom installed it still installed everything and disregarded my choices

IntelliJ

>>52371074
Dev-C++ proves you wrong

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>>52371592
Dis

>>52371560
last time i checked, custom install didn't even let you ditch all the .NET garbage language
forcing you to install 10+ GB of literally worthless trash

>>52370143
i want what you're smoking, broheim

Vim for Python, C/C++, shell scripting
Netbeans for Java and sometimes also Python

sublime text

nano

>>52369835
Is it actually good?
I already use kate for scripts and languages I don't have an IDE for, so it should be very comfortable but it seem so big compared to qtcreator. What am I missing out on?

>>52371017
topKEK

>inb4 N++

>>52371560
Un-checking everything still installs 6GB of useless adware

>>52371790
fuck you im using it right now and its good, everything by microsoft is good really even windows

>>52369878
>>52371581

my biggest beef with Qt Creator is that you can't enable C++11/14 support for the code model in external Makefile projects. the option is only available if you use a project that's managed by Qt Creator itself. fucking obnoxious if you want to write your own Makefiles

>>52371854
Sure kid.
Are you the same guy claiming SSD's are a meme because your OS + IDE doesn't leave room for your cmakelist?

>>52371230
>code::blocks for c++

so you say VS2015 is buggy yet then use the super buggy codeblocks???

>>52371669
try intellij for java. it's awesome.

>>52371882
Yea qtcreator works best if you stick with qmake. It supports cmake but it doesn't work as well which is annoying since that is what everyone else uses.

If you write your own makefiles, why not just use a text editor with build support?
Kate is good for that.

>>52371854
i dont think its bad i just think it is annoying how much space it takes up

I just bought Sublime Text 3 after using it for a few years. Who the fuck needs an IDE when build systems and linting plugins exist?

http://sublimetext.info/docs/en/reference/build_systems.html

>>52372019
How doesn't it work with CMake? It works fine for me

>>52369994

>lightweight lmao

Spoken like a second year CS student, my boy. Although I guess that sums up the demographic for this whole board.

>>52372421
>implying anyone on this board has finished high school

>>52369656

I fucked up my code::blocks somehow so now I'm using this. I feel so spoiled using the shortcuts on this thing, makes programming much quicker tho

>>52371882
The 3.6 release candidate works fine. Apparently they had some serious issues with the internal code model when migrating from 3.4 to 3.5.

>>52372002
>try intellij for java. it's awesome.
Maybe I will, but it isn't free, is it?

>>52369656
because they finally dumped the old crufty text editor and wrote a new one. 2015 launches like 5x faster than 2013 for me (neither have any addons or plugins installed), no exaggeration.

>>52369717
emacs?

>>52369656
>~eats 10-40 GB of space
>eats another 10 after updates
>needs time to start
>the C compiler and RT is shit
>the C++ compiler is better but still shit
>default keybindings are shit
>Clang integretaion is buggy
>UI is too heavy and retarded
>3 fucking ways to update its packages
>unattended deployment is beyond retarded
At least it's not as bad as JIDEA-based products.

>>52373413
IntelliJ has a community version that is free.

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>>52369656
Code::Blocks for da gaems and softwarez

Notepad++ for da webitty sights

Command Prompt and PHPMyAdmin for da storage of da dataz.

VS for teh megga autismals.

Nah, to be fair, it's a'ight... I fucking hate using VB, though. The language is metrically fucked (primarily because it's bound to the .NET framework and Windows API...)

And I don't like using VS for other things, because the goddamn C/C++ compiler built in throws in a bunch of bullshit libraries I don't want, because cross-plat app is best app, no doubt.

>>52374553
>PHPMyAdmin for da storage of da dataz.

Navicat is better, simply for not being limited by PHP settings on the server.

Some sites crap up when you want to upload a sql dump bigger than 4mbyte, it can be so fucking annoyine.

>>52369656
>2 vim
>1 for file system tree
>1 for edits
>various autocompletion/syntax highlighting
>most light weight IDE for building/error checking

>>52374577
Well, desu, I don't really customize my private dev server all that much.

I just went with the standard install of EasyPHP. Works well enough.

Although, the PHPMA does get slow and/or freeze sometimes... =/

Since it's just a dev server on my home PC, though, I'm ok with it for now.

>>52374646
sorry. I literally don't know why the fuck "desu" appeared there.

Honestly. No idea.

>>52369656
its a pain in the ass to use.

its easier to have a text editor where you can immediately start writing code, and compile it hassle free.

visual studio hides allot of shit from you, and changing little things requires that are burried in menus upon menus, taking away from time that could be spent coding.

secondly I hate to use VS for MASM assembly, it took over an hour to finally get a test program to compile because of how VS is set up.
vs using NASM + text eidtor, spend 5 minutes getting NASM and NASM syntax highlighting set up, good to go.

IDEs have their place, but genreally unless you're on a team with a HUGE code base, text editors are better

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Netbeans.

>>52369656
On Mac it would have to be Codelite because that is the only IDE that properly supports LLVM/Clang

>>52369656
do you really start up visual studio, make a new solution, and do all that other shit every time you want to write a program for something? with emacs literally all i have to do is type this:

emacs fuckyou.cpp &
g++ fuckyou.cpp

VS doesn't play well with GNU Make and MinGW. I use Sublime Text 3. The nice thing about text editors is that I don't have to use a different one if I want to change languages or build systems. Also, I can have multiple cursors at once, and can evaluate Ruby inside the editor for coffee generation.

>>52374661
the abbreviation for "to be honest" is wordfiltered to desu

>>52369994
Impossible to uninstall, and single threaded UI full of modal dialogs.

>>52369656
>emacs
>not an IDE

you fucked up OP

>want install VB
>installs a shitload of other things as individual programs/modules

How am I supposed to uninstall this shit?

>>52376720
By removing each package one by one patiently. :^)

Enjoy the hell, anon. 10/10 would install VS again

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>>52375810
Yes, absolutely.
And you will never get a job.
And also you will never do something useful.

Its not about how you start coding something it is the smallest part of the procedure.

Also there are tons of features in those IDE-s which can help you with coding.
For example VS it has a lot of useful extensions which works out of the box, and makes your work easier and better.

If i want to script something i ll use a text editor for it because its enough.

>>52376720
picture related, it is not so hard.

>>52374251
>~eats 10-40 GB of space
its 2016 anon, it was too much in 2005, but now?
>eats another 10 after updates
same
>needs time to start
same, its still 2016
>the C compiler and RT is shit
well yea, thats why im using it for c# and other languages which are supported
>the C++ compiler is better but still shit
again yea
>default keybindings are shit
and you can change it? if you can waste time configuring a texteditor to work, then you can do it here too
>Clang integretaion is buggy
ok
>UI is too heavy and retarded
that was one of the main problems with vs, but they rewrote it in the VS2015 it feels better then the previous versions
>3 fucking ways to update its packages
okay, and?
>unattended deployment is beyond retarded
I had no problems with msbuild before

>>52370466
Underrated post

>>52370143
Winfag in denial

>>52370143
Nigger now we have BSOD with a nice gui:

Something went wrong
:^(

>>52369656
>What is the best IDE and why is it Visual Studio 2015?
MS Visual Studio is a very convenient and competent debugger (by what poor standards we have right now).
It's not a good IDE.

>>52369656
Well i love the little things that VS has to offer
>profiles
>templates
>fine debugger
>fine compiler
>has the libs pre installed
While its good for me i cant look away from its cons
>slow ,very very slow
>unstable
>M$ botnet
>not clean
And im not looking to use dev c++ , its actually worse

>>52377592
>2005+11
>still using >℅current_year maymay

How come no love for Eclipse? Poor Eclipse. Is Java disliked because you're all Americans and your university makes you code in C as a starting language?

>>52369656
because Xcode.

>>52369656
- the most bloated software ever
- install is several gigabytes
- starts about 2 times slower than eclipse and is generally unresponsive
- lags for approximately 5 secs each time you start debugging
- can't delete project files on disc
- doesn't print stack trace when running without debug
- shitty project management system, no good list of past projects, always have to browse the drive
- unit tests show less info than other IDEs and the messages get truncated so you can't usually even read the whole message
- doesn't show in the project view which files have errors
- each version is somehow incompatible with others
- TODO view is masterfully hidden away
- doesn't let you type things that conflict with your formatting options, forces you to change the settings for each different file
- shitty editor
- shitty 2-key shortcuts
- shitty debugging
- "A debugger that can't single step as fast as you can hit a key has made some poor design choices." -John Carmack
- one OS only, how's this not a huge-ass downside?
And many more

>>52378616
>How come no love for Eclipse? Poor Eclipse.
Well that sucks, I still use it for C++11/14
It's a great IDE regardless of just Java.

>>52378734
/thread/

>>52378734
>https://www.codecademy.com/en/courses/learn-the-command-line
Not to mention the newer version automatically include CRT and .NET framework in C/C++ projects.

>>52370143
I've had 3 BSODs with windows 7.
How high are you that you're saying it doesn't exist after XP?

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>>>>>>>> babbys first IDE

wew lad

Are you niggas shitting me?

>C/C++ compiler is shit
Switch the whole build chain for C/C++ to Clang, it's a simple drop down pick in the settings

>slower/less responsive than eclipse
I see the last time you used VS is sometimes around 2008

>can't delete project files
literally wat?

etc. etc... y'all tards never opened a real solution with 10+ projects in your life.

Eclipse is shit, NetBeans is less shit but still, turd is a turd, XCode suffers from "just turn it off and on again and it'll stop doing that"... only good IDEs are the language specific ones from JetBrains, Xamarin Studio is ok, VS is the top dog.

Suck dick now, fucking cucks. When you get past fizzbuzz you'll remember my words.

>>52374598
my nigga this

>>52377592
>I take longer than you to do something simple
>You will never get a job

>>52378863
Then you should upgrade to 10.

Something Happened
:^)

>>52378898
0.1$ has been deposited on your Microsoft(tm) account.

>>52378898
>Suck dick now, fucking cucks
>Using Windows
:^)

>>52378940
I use the proper tool for the job. I'd never host anything web related on Win Server if I didn't depend on active directory, I'd never use windows for any intensive GPU accelerated computing, I'd never deploy Linux to administration/management machines, I'd never use a hammer to smudge Nutella on my toast etc. etc.

>>52378898
>VS is topcode
>Eclipse is shit
>project files
>literally what?
:^)

>>52378898
>project files
>literally what
Daily reminder that VS is babby's first IDE.Once you get better use a better IDE anon

>>52378982
>>52379010
My wat is towards the idiot who said you can't delete them, not asking what they were.

You guys sure are autistic fucks.

>>52378914
He thinks every job will be in a single file.

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>>52379034

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>>52379034
Why are you so buttmad?
Do you have any other argument other than calling me August or basement dweller

>>52379293
>August
Autist
FTFM

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>>52369656
qt creator is as good, and it actually gets new updates and functionality every 2 months and not 2 years like vs

>>52371882
you should never use raw makefiles, use cmake instead or similar software

>>52369994
>16GB
>lightweight

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VS2015 is the best debugger
Not the best editor

there is a situation, where if you take a kid in africa who only eats shit all the day will refuse to taste a steak.

since he only knows shit thinks that everything different because it smells not like shit and tastes not like shit is therefore bad.

this is what happens to those fucks up there claiming eclipse is decent, or those who claim vs is bad because they aonly know shit.

i loled hard at the retard of the blue screens and even more at the one who can delete files in a project, it appears the last version of vs they used was vs2005.

you can keep your shit ide, really. you dont know better and even when its presented to you you will complain that since it isnt a heap of shit like the one you are eating right now.

eclipse is bloated as fuck and plugins like myeclipse tried to bring vs functionality to the platform but failed miserably (and is a good plugin by itself).

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>>52369656
>using an ide that is just an improved text editor
step it up senpai. visual programming master race

>>52378632
>xcode
>Good
Lamo, just lmao

>>52371230
Tbh senpai vs 2010 is the shit

>>52378616
Eclipse is best IDE.
Lightweight (for an IDE), fast on most machines, and great debugging tools.
Also widely used in industry.

It's great for Java and C/C++.

If I'm writing a huge project I'll use it, otherwise Vim.

>>52383321
i like drag and drop too when i was 12

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>>52383321
>using a program to do something you can do with a whiteboard and marker

>>52383834
Not saying this because I like those tools but how about you try doing that on a whiteboard. It's incredibly impractical because what you're doing generally when programming is an iterative process. So not having move/copy functionality is hell. It's like rewriting your program every time you make a change.

Basically anything made by jetbrains.

VS2012

>>52383986

echo "<?php die(); ?>" > sides.php

>>52371954
u wot m8? I've never ran into a single bug with Code::Blocks. It's stable as hell.

>>52369656
Visual Studio is the best IDE. Vim is the best editor.

>>52369841
>being a redditor

No, needing your hand held is for autists.

>>52371428
Yes lad. You also can't sign into Visual Studio without globally allowing Javascript in your Internet Explorer security options.

You also can't use VS without signing in.

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>Text editors are for autists

Text editors are lightweight and great for scripting languages, plugin development, widgets, etc. But yeah, usually when I see somebody shilling Vim or eMacs, I assume they are unemployed with little programming skill because no large company would put up with that shit.

I've always used Netbeans at work but I've slowly been becoming a fan of MonoDevelop.

>>52378616

I'm American and my Comp Sci only taught us Java. There wasn't even an option to learn any other language unless you went into a Masters Program designed for some field that is primarily C/C++, .NET, etc.. Shitty public school.

>>52369656
>over 10GB install
>takes up to several minutes to launch
truly a marvel of software engineering

>>52383986
JetBrains are pretty cool guys. I can't stand Visual Studio without ReSharper, and NetBeans was always my goto Java IDE.

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>>52369656
Imo it's ...
>inb4
>inb4
>inb4
>inb4
>inb4
>why is it ...
Well, fuck you then

>>52386267
>over 10GB install
Yeah cause that's a lot these days...

>takes up to several minutes to launch
How are pentium 4 processors these days?

>truly a marvel of software engineering
It is poorfag

>>52378734
Confirmed for never have used visual studio

>>52375810
Yeah... Visual studio is meant to do more than your shitty hello world applications.

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>>52369656
testing

>>52371628
>>>52371560
>last time i checked, custom install didn't even let you ditch all the .NET garbage language
>forcing you to install 10+ GB of literally worthless trash

Yeah no kidding. My favorite part of working on a project is downloading all the reference files I didn't just simply install the first time!