Holy fucking shit, I am so sick of seeing these responsive design in your face fucking websites that run like shit on high end hardware.
Heres a list of what im talking about:
+ Outlook mail, holy fuck is there a worse email client? I have to use this POS for university
+ Every fucking blog/tumblr/portfolio
When the fuck did simplicity become outdated? Why the fuck do some of these sites not even allow me to get the desktop version on my phone, instead forcing me to use the slow ugly responsive design version?
These are examples of perfect websites (some modern and some old design), they all load quickly, render quickly, and everything is intuitive.
http://www.logicalincrements.com/ (a bit slow, but thats only because they put almost everything on one page)
WEB DEVELOPERS, GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER!
You need to realize that you can make a very nice looking website without disabling my scroll setting, adding unnecessary animations, loading a shitload of images, taking over 10MB for a few paragraphs, etc.
>When the fuck did simplicity become outdated
You don't understand, desktop programs are slowly getting deprecated, with a few exceptions for professional ones.
For most ordinary computing tasks, web apps running in the browser are pretty much the future.
What you're asking for is similar to: why did humans complicate their lives with cars, when stage-coaches were just fine? Urban life based on oil just made everything so complicated. We could have just kept on using horsepower to travel from one point to another.
I'll give you an example of a web app which can easily replace shit like Skype:
It's a really well-made one. Using it right now with some community of gamers. It has everything you need, it has more features than Skype and it actually uses less PC resources than Skype (less CPU, less RAM). Just awesome.
Another example is Soundcloud which is a Single Page Application for the browser. Works very well too.
And no, there's no chance of that, since I'm not a faggot like yourself. You might want to check yourself for mental issues though. I write a reasonable reply and you go full autistic. Fucking retard.
Isn't this just wordpress? if so I hate it also, when the web guy at work showed me wordpress I thought it was cool, but after looking at 50+ sites they are all just the same shit. Boring.
You don't even know what you're talking about. Web 3.0 was like some years ago. We're already in the middle of 4.0 moving to 5.0.
And nope, there ain't no stopping that web train. It's gonna closer and closer to the complexity of desktop applications.
I agree. Web developers these days think that the web browser is a perfectly fine platform to create applications that can render complex 3D scenes, solve difficult decision problems, compile programs, do demand planning for supply chains, drive your hardware and etc.
The web is where it's at, at the moment.
The desktop was where it was at like 10-15 years ago. It doesn't mean it has to stay that way for a hundred years.
The world of computing evolves. Probably those who worked with computers in the 80s thought the same when personal computers first came on the market. "How could computers become a mass commodity?" they must have said. And still, look where are now. Everyone has a pocketable computer they can use to communicate instantly over the entire planet.
I honestly don't get your attitude.
The problem is that the Browser is not the right platform to create these applications. They are based on showing html. In order to keep up with those trends, Browser developers need to make them more dynamic, and thus they end up eating more ram than a video game/
>entire content is just a single site
>menu is just local anchors
>site doesn't even have a mobile version despite being called responsive design
As far as I know games don't use a lot of RAM, since most of the rendering is done by the GPU and or CPU.
But I don't see that as a big problem since RAM has been getting cheaper. I have 16GB of RAM and I didn't pay a fortune for that. Never ran out of RAM since then. Never seen one website that was slow on my machine.
Sure, it may not be ideal to develop this way, since a lot of web tech is legacy stuff that wasn't made for being used this way. But then, this has always been the case with other technologies too. 10 years ago games many games were developed to run on CPUs because video memory was very expensive. So, the only way a game dev company had a chance to reach a wide audience was to build game engines that could run on PC with very few video RAM.
Would you say today's games are just graphic bloat, because if you tried to run them on an old video card with 64 MB of ram, they would barely start or crash? Should we go back to making games that use as few video RAM resources as possible?
I'm not an ameritard, so I've no idea what your US "culture" reference actually means.
You know, not every country in the world has a culture of just a few hundred years like yours.
fuck off pajeet
I feel you OP, but you have to understand.
Literally nobody uses desktop applications anymore.
The only application you use these days is either your web browser or your text editor.
I'm from Europe, Amerifat. You're basically our retarded children that we kicked out of Europe, so you can develop your McDonalds civilisation and indulge in your icecream buckets in front of TVs watching Hollywood shit movies.
OP this isn't always easy and something the webdev doesn't always have much say (especially on large projects) on.
Sometimes they are given a design with some lack luster input on how it should function and it's pretty much just "make'er work bro".
Many of the sites you listed, the decisions are made at the hipster management level while they meditate to their new-age music.
>see pic related
I'm gonna use this thread to ask this since I'm doing a website currently.
What do you /g/ hate on the websites of today ? I made a first version of it and most of my friends told me the design it's too "2005 - 2008".
They asked me to make everything take 100% of the width, with my menu on the top, etc. I really don't know what to think. So tell me /g/ What can I do in my website and what I can't do ?
I once tried to study American "culture" but there were so few names that it was hard to identify a culture behind them. It was mostly stuff borrowed from European culture anyway. You know, Henry James went to Paris to write most of his works. Hemingway too, I think. Who else...
Need I look at your architecture? Your Capitol building was inspired by French architecture. I mean, what else could you base it on, since you guys have like a few hundred years of history (mostly niggers, rednecks and mexican wars) so there wasn't much American culture before the Boston tea party started.
>since most of the rendering is done by the GPU and or CPU.
No shit, what else would render the game?
Hopefully, when Obama goes from the President, to a Dictator, he can mandate that all websites look like Wikipedia.
I would be happy with this.
>I'm from Europe, Amerifat. You're basically our retarded children that we kicked out of Europe
>We are the the British Empire that got its ass handed to it by 13 colonies, Muh Great Empire haz fallen, MAH FALKANS
>Americans have no culture!
Said the European, and he typed on an American imageboard using his computer filled with American hardware (and probably software as well).
>Americans borrowed things from Europe!
This is shocking. Who would have thought that European immigrants and their descendants would bring things from Europe with them to their new home?
>Blank page with Noscript enabled
But it's a free app. You log in a room or start one yourself and just start spamming or talking shit. Nobody cares or even understands what you're spouting in there, you might be some Polish dude using it. Do you think they're going to go through the trouble of translating that just to spy on you? You don't even need to play a game to use it. You could use it like Skype except that you don't have to see ads to use it.
you can put the whole country of Japan on your example of good design models
Their sites tend to be designed with readability and rarely feature any demanding graphics so they can cater to everyone
This, I still use teamspeak because most of my friends use it, but we're slowly transitioning to discord. Pretty gooda
> Python the Hard Way
Oh, that might be fu-
> words swiping in from left and right depending on the position in the scroll bar
When it seems easier to scrape the raw text to get to your content, you've FUCKED UP.
yes, because of the diversity of hardware and software and the need to meet the needs of older systems webdevs can actually focus on making a good layout that supports readability instead of putting faggot effects where you have to scroll through a mile of flying high resolution dicks to get to actual content.
I don't think this trend is going to stop anytime soon.
Idk the UK obviously has culture similar to Americans and is just as good(beatles and shit) but any brit you ask wouldn't want their culture to be called european so mr sven should fuck off
>doesn't know the distinction between free as in freedom and free as in free beer
I want newfags and normalfags to fuck off and take their terrible propietary software with them.
Cars allowed people to commute further and faster than every before.
These websites are designed in a manner which communicated less information than before and slower than ever.
Just made a site with desktop hamburger menu, come at me faggot.
I think one of the worst websites updates that were related to web2.0 was when old Last.FM changed to new around 2008.
It has so much unused space, huge white bars at side of the pages, you have to scroll it like a retard on phone despite having huge resolution and width of PC resolution/monitor etc.
I don't get why poeple like such trash design
>Literally nobody uses desktop applications anymore.
I don't use literally any web applications except e-mail, and I'm not going to use a fucking web browser to play my videos and music, torrent files, view images, manage and rename my files, edit MP3 tags, encode videos, compress files, and sync my files with my external drives, and so on.
When will we make an OS that is literally just a browser ?
ChromeOS has still an app menu to launch the browser. Could we go further ? Could we replace the taskbar by the tab selection menu ?
I'd have no problem with that. I'm already feeling weird here knowing that this board is full of:
-autogynephiliacs, transvestites and real faggots
-audiophiles (yes this is also a mental illness)
-people who eat shit with their hands
If these are the kind of people who believe in foss, then fuck foss, they're mostly a bunch of degenerates you can't even have a normal conversation with, without them sperging over that the gubbermint and Google are plotting to take away their freedums (ie, find their stash of pedo porn).
End of desktop computing. The web is everything. Freetards run to the forests, where they organise the resistance which still codes in C using Vim on a thinkpad powered by wires plugged in two potatoes.
Fuck right of m8, at work people use more native stuff than web stuff.
And normies now days use phone apps more than desktop browsers.
That means that desktop sites that can use lots of resources have no use case,
>Would you say today's games are just graphic bloat, because if you tried to run them on an old video card with 64 MB of ram, they would barely start or crash?
Idk about 64MB but yeah today's games are just graphics bloat which is why there's such a resurgence for retro games and games like Dwarf Fortress or older roguelikes such as nethack and dungeon crawl stone soup. I don't like having applications run in the browser because I like having them on my device and able to run when they aren't synced with some sort of external database. I also just archive a lot of stuff though because I'm pretty tinfoil.
World of Tanks
Media Player Classic Home Cinema
Oracle VM Virtualbox
Visual Bloat 2015 "Community Edition" + Monogame Library and Pipeline stuff.
fucking stupid animations that blend in the information, and BLEND IT OUT WHEN YOU SCROLL UP AGAIN
We've been using vent for like 10+ years and haven't had any problems. Unlike mumble and teamspeak where I've and others have had plenty of problems.
Skype is literally the worst though, I don't understand how anyone can stand using skype.
Truly. Lern2 Mumble or at least, Teamspeak. I wonder if they'll open source Dischord and alllow federated servers/self hosted etc.. if we bitch at them enough. They are adding Linux client support after all...
Seeing as their business model will be premium, im kinda doubting it.
Discord is better than teamspeak/vent and destroys skype for goup chat. If their business model is an issue, there is mumble.
Its only only had 25 people max at one point but that was a long time ago. Now there's just leftovers from when we all used to play WoW and now we're actual friends, we don't really play the same games anymore but we all still hang out. Pretty much everyone in the vent is a software engineer, computer engineer, or chemical engineer and there's only like 6 of us.
tldr: I guess there's no stupid users so we haven't had any problems, or "problems" we did have like, having to set up a new mic without an automatic wizard weren't really problems because it takes like 2 seconds.
Yeah, I hate that too. If an effect can't be achieved with pure CSS + HTML (polyfilling is okay), you probably shouldn't do it.
That at least goes for standard actions like hovering, scrolling etc. Handle your click events however you see fit (but holy fuck, still keep those animations in check).
If an animation does not convey any meaning (like, where something comes from or where it's going) and the only reason you have it is because "it looks good"... get rid of it.
This has nothing to do with responsive design, though. Responsive design is reasonable. If anything, responsive design is not enough, but adaptive design is going to fix that.
>complexity of desktop applications
haha, ever use word online? Its pretty horrendous.
Desktop applications still have a very real use.
Also what im talking about is the user interface, theres no need for 40px padding everywhere, or images to fly into the screen, or for my scroll setting to be disabled.
PSU wattage is vastly overestimated in most cases. Heres a very high end build that I quickly put together
This is probably close to the specs of the corsair bulldog, and I even added some extra stuff (more hard drives, dvd drive) to accommodate for the liquid cooling they have in the bulldog.
It uses a total of ~450W, making a 600W psu more than good enough
They would get destroyed and ridiculed if they did. You know, /g/ is full of luddites who think computers should still be used mainly with a command line, etc.
Yeah, it's ironic. Of all places, you find backwards mentalities on a technology board, where you'd expect users to be progressive types.
I feel you. It's not really apparent to those who update hardware as fast as it's outdated or too young to know the joy of owning a computing object that can't lock you out and snitch for refusing the mark of the beast 2.1.12.
I'm still using a laptop I bought at 10 years ago.
>800 Mhz intel processor
>500 Mb RAM
>debian jessie (BotNet har har)
The battery is shot, the screen is kind of dim, but when the charger died, 15 bucks and I'm back in business.
I have an iPhone 3gs (a glorified toilet web browser) from my, 'i want to get the new shit days'. I don't even use a mobile phone anymore. My county doesn't even use area codes. Suprise suprise, I can still use my voice to communicate via landline and only have to remember the last 4 digits of phone numbers, the first three are always the same.
What I've noticed: The iPhone became progressively more buggy around 2011 with every update (remember people's alarms not waking them up?). Eventually Apple stopped supporting updates for the phone and now it's just a frustrating slow brick. My bank app doesn't work anymore (depositing checks), loan app (the only other useful app), etc. About the only thing that does work is solitare. For a 500 or whatever dollar cutting edge phone 6 years ago it might as well be windows 95.
Strangely my linux machine never had this problem.
The app phenomena and social integration synergy bull extending to subsidised chromebooks and mobile based OSX is just to make sure that when customers aren't buying new hardware they can flip the switch and you're either in or you're out. Agressively bleeding edge web design just compounds that i.e. "The iPhone6sXD can handle it, lets make this standard." It's the new planned obsolesence.
My wife's family uses late model macbooks (pro, air, yada yada) I've seen no less than 5 or 6 go by the wayside in just 5 years. Not even really software, but hardware faliures. I still have a G3 tower that runs fine offline.
Nah you're comparing things the wrong way. Apps depend on very particular OS environments (APIs versions, which are linked with particular hardware with very specific capabilities).
On the other hand, there is a basic principle in webdev: you must support all the mainstream browsers which still have a significant market share. Which is why a 7 year old browser like IE8 is still supported by many sites.
You won't see something like that in the app world. So for all the hate webdev gets, remember that most webdevs although would rather always use the latest web standards, they are forced to use retarded and gimped old standards to give you the same functionality no matter which browser you are using.
Web Dev ≠ Web designer
While this design is played out, you cs fags have no aesthetic.
Hm, I see your point. But, legacy functionality in phone browsers is essentially half the text is visible under the banner ad and you can't hit the [x] that's perpetually floating off screen but you can reclaim half an inch by closing the "download the app" dropdown hopefully before the whole thing crashes. It's like browsing before pop up blockers.
That in itself might not be a conspiracy, though I have to say, expensive proprietary tech pervasive in everyday life that breaks fast and gets oudated fast is the best scheme I've ever heard and now that I've written it down we're all doomed. I can already hear the hands wringing, recaptcha must have ratted me out before I hit post.
It's actually true. Progress in GPU computing power was way slower 10-15 years ago than it has been in the last 5-7 years. If you wanted to reach wider audiences back then with a game you wouldn't require them to buy a new video card to be able to play your game, you would make most of the engine run on the CPU, and add shaders and other gfx sprinkles as optional, depending on what they could hardware they could afford. But the basic game engine functionality had to run on the CPU. If you don't know this, you don't know shit about gamedev.
3d rendering, physics, unit pathing were all done on the CPU back then. Obviously today there are more choices what with integrated gfx on cpus.
I think maybe map tiles were blitted in video ram, as the player moved around the map. And of course shader capabilities differed a lot, so they required separate hardware profiles, separate shader programming and some generic ones on which the game could default.
Using the command line is just more efficient, we don't care about how it looks.
If all developers would wave their fingers over some minimal two button touch interface like the "designers" utopia nothing of technological value would be created anymore.
The corsair and python one was a bit much, with the funky scrolling and all the animation, so I agree there. The other sites are ok-ish, with Lynda being the best one. Can't watch the Forbes one because it wants me to disable adblock, which a lot of sites seem to do nowadays.
Maybe its only looking for Adblock, since I guess it's the most common one. This is what I get after clicking continue.
Holy shit it scrolls so slowly. I have a G502 mouse with the scroll wheel that can free wheel and it still takes like 10 seconds to scroll to the bottom, usually the scroll is too sensitive.
Reminds me of a site a friend linked me for some notepad thing. Laggy on an Ivy Bridge, full of big in your face non-descript images that were links, and the small amount of text on the site told you fuckall about the product.
Seems like it's becoming more and more common.
you can easily do this using css and media queries. these people lie their asses off to get the job and on day 2 when they are tasked with doing something on the website they flip shit and start installing massive libraries just to do one function each. Each google search returns a different library even though they could all do the same shit. I have wappalyzer and it's hilarious to see sites like you're complaining about, it's just a simple page and the icons keep piling up and it was all because they don't want to learn css.
>it actually uses less PC resources than Skype
>a full blown chat client built on top of electron (webpage in a chromium instance) using less resources than a native solution
Shill harder and enjoy getting your chat logs hoarded by ad companies.
That's why everyone loved Firefox OS, right?
Except they didn't. And people are all about the iPhone, which is even heavier on standalone 'apps' than desktop computers. Japan and China were big into web-central stuff, but even they have moved back toward applications. More hub-like applications, but standalone ones all the same.
Wordpress is great for hobby sites. It's rather absurd that large corporations are using it though.
Wow, you must have just an awful machine then... I get smooth animations and slick response time on mine.
When was the last time you used Skype? Have you even noticed how many resources that shit uses just to start? Not to mention Skype uses local databases to store each individual conversation (the entire history), which makes it lag and freeze once you switch from one convo to another.
Did I mention Skype has actual Microsoft ads on the front page and you can't do shit about that?
Now compare that to this very light chat app in the browser. Just fucking try them both and watch your task manager.
Not shilling or anything. Why the fuck would I be shilling a USA startup when I'm in Europe and don't have any connection whatsoever with that company? I just discovered it through some other people, been using it for a while and I think it has potential. I was surprised by how much it can do for a browser app.
Responsive design means: Scale to all window sizes
Wikipedia's mobile site is a supreme example of responsive design. Chan sites are responsively designed as fuck. Do they get in your way with bullshit? Are they showoff slideshows? Are they animated to fuck and back? Are they fine on larger screens instead of ridiculous?
But, you must understand that web designers are just failed real designers, so of course, they make shit like that and hide the awful with tricks that might impress a complete idiot instead.
The web is where it's at, and that's a bad thing, because using the web to serve software as a service is inefficient, insecure, and robs the users of what little freedom and control they had, and continues to make the vast majority of the web inaccessible to people who didn't buy the newest fucking macbook
Plain information sites now require a compute from 2012 to run. Does sergio in brazil have that? No, he has a computer from 1998. Web standards are so complex that browsers are literally the size of operating systems. It's fucked, because it was designed by wide-eyed "WOW, COOL COMPUTER TRICK :DDDD" amateurs and executives.
anyone who has been to the UK can tell this post is nonsense
and it uses more resources than a well written native solution
why cook a meal when you have dog-food right in front of you right?
easy programming is cancer
it lets people with good ideas and no idea how to make them actually make them, and then say that they are made, sticking us with a poor implementation of a good idea and nobody else making it sinde it's already been done
Have you even tried it and compared it with that slow piece of shit called Skype? Which is also infested with Microsoft ads and is almost non-customisable?
Have you noticed how slow Skype starts and how slow it is to switch from one convo to another? Then try this webapp and tell me if it feels just as slow as the "native" program. Thing is Skype is shit, but since it's used by the masses, it doesn't matter if it's shit, right? Because if it's "native" it's inherently good, amirite?
>using the web to serve software as a service is inefficient, insecure, and robs the users of what little freedom and control they had, and continues to make the vast majority of the web inaccessible to people who didn't buy the newest fucking macbook
This makes absolutely no sense and it has no evidence to support all those statements. I just see a lot of non sequiturs there. It doesn't follow one from another. I don't see the connection between Saas, Macbooks, freedom, w/e. You're jumping a lot from one subject to another in one single sentence and it's not making any sense.
>Web standards are so complex that browsers are literally the size of operating systems. It's fucked, because it was designed by wide-eyed "WOW, COOL COMPUTER TRICK :DDDD" amateurs and executives
Again, really? Can you name those execs? Do you know that top devs from all major companies have been working on web standards? What do you think, Steve Jobs went to those meetings and decided how localStorage should be implemented?
All those animations are unnecessary and childish as fuck
That doesn't mean webdev platforms like angular and bootstrap are shit though. It's just the hipsters that abuse them like this that are shit.
Now to be fair some stuff like angular's use of json resources for dynamic content is brety gud.
The problem is stupid hipsters thinking more = better.
Any tool is good when used correctly. Any tool becomes shit when stupid hipsters use it for anything and everything.
>Serebii (a fan made website for Pokemon) is easier to use than most websites these days
Granted it's old but it's one of the few sites free from the web2.0 plague.
I'm so sick of having literally nothing taking up a third of my screen, compare Serebii with Wired and the problem is immediately obvious
I actually like those effects, they add dynamicity to an otherwise boring and static site.
It works fine on my machine, but I'm willing to bet the devs just used a lot of unnecessary libraries just to get simple shit done. For example, in order to have those transitions on page when an element enters the viewport you really don't have to use a library, you can write yourself a JS function and use it on an array of elements. Much faster, doesn't need to grab external resources and you actually learn something if you write it yourself.
What can I say... I think your companies in the West probably have used outsourcing so much that their own devs don't even know how to build simple shit by themselves. They just keep the hip projects in Ruby for themselves, because they look good on your resume and throw the hard work of actual writing vanilla JS and CSS to some Eastern Europeans or Indians.
There's also a really cretine culture of dumb minimalism in the linux community, which rejects any sign of doing things for art's sake, just to make things look good, because you know people also buy things that look good. It might explain why Linux fails so hard to get any traction among the general public, since their crowd has an aversion to well-done design or aesthetic effects. I blame autism, what can I say.
And anyway, you can complain as much as you want, this place is not representative for anything, it's the most fringe place you could open such a subject. Websites are most likely going to become even more complex in dynamic effects, simply because people love interactive UIs and stuff which looks good. Would you fuck an ugly bitch just because she has a functional vagina? Nobody is attracted to pure function, you bunch of autists.
That first corsair link is insanely stupid.
>super slow scrolling so it's harder to get to the relevant content
>large page with no anchor links
>the first button scrolls right past two small containers of relevant content you could easy just scroll past yourself, complete waste of time to click it if you're actually reading
>Nobody is attracted to pure function, you bunch of autists.
They might not think it, but people generally are actually. When a website becomes harder to use because of this shit, it just gets frustrating for the end user. Slow scrolling, auto movement, random effects and banners popping up out of nowhere. I've heard so many normie facebook browsing machine users complain about this shit, and I agree.
Fancy effects are fine when you tie them into basic functionality, but when you get to the point where it's not even possible to quickly jump to the bottom of the page without getting some form of banner, auto scroll or popup, it gets horrible. Not to mention mobile browsers that drain your battery in about 10 seconds flat just opening these pages. Mobile single web app design is often worse than the original page.
Yeah, I agree, for example the scrolling effect on the Corsair site is way overdone. You either do that in a subtle way and make sure it's not annoying or just leave it as it is.
Problem is browsers like Firefox already have smooth scrolling by default. If only Chrome implemented it too or added such an optional flag, maybe we could see these page smooth scrolling effects disappear.
Yeah right, because a universal, cross platform GUI system is a terrible platform to develop on. With web assembly coming in soon we'll have proper threading, we have canvas for low level graphics and webGL for 3d. The only part lagging a little is audio. The browser is the perfect platform for developing applications on these days. Your just salty cos you don't understand how much the web has evolved in the last 10 years.
>why did humans complicate their lives with cars, when stage-coaches were just fine?
are you retarded? you didn't have to feed and stable and regularly care for a car, nor pay for a driver if you didn't want to
there was an obvious advantage to that, the car reduced bloat and cost, it didn't create more of it