>Linux Mint next version confirmed to ship with SystemD on release
Well, it was nice having a free, working operating system with an actual future for a while. But I guess all good things must come to an end.
Before the event, before He Who Shall Not Be Named, the Linux community lived in unruly harmony with the other unicies. And while SysV was the defacto standard, everyone who had two brain cells immediately swapped that shit out for something more daemontools-like. And the SysAdmins would play, play because they worried not; for their supervisor programs were doing their handiwork and the systems ran smoothly. Truly, the land was happy, far and wide.
Then the Dark One appeared, and first claimed, “I will take the Blight of Jobs, known as mDNS, and make it run on Linux.” And he cast a great pox upon the community, but most did not notice, because most of us weren’t gay cocksuckers. And this irked him, so he cast another blight, “I will fix your audio”. And using the pox, he built upon it and filled many a distribution with his sludge. And the users did gnash their teeth for a few years as the pox-sludge was incomplete and annoying. And before the users could turn on him, he snuck out like a thief in the night, claiming that it was not his handiwork.
Now the dark one was really pissed, for the pox-sludge did not do its purpose. So he found employ in that vile place, the House of Red Fedoras, a place filled with gnomes that only cared for bilking money from unsuspecting business people. And he did come upon a plan, so devious in nature and grand in scope, that the gnomes of Red Fedoras did endorse it, seeing that it would lead to many lucrative and unnecessary service contracts. And he brought forth his third and final curse, systemd, which was meant to “replace icky SysV” but in reality, it was forged from a shard of the Dark One’s corrupt soul, and its code would bind all others in darkness as they succumbed to its temptations. And one after another, projects agreed to bend their knee before it, and darkness descended upon the land.
tl;dr: if you use systemD you might as well go back to Windows because you're losing all the benefits of using a Linux system.
But, unbeknownst to the Dark One, a noble warrior--though small in stature yet armed with great courage and a bitter sword--stepped forth to oppose all the evil that had been wrought upon the land.
Though the trials were many, and the ordeals great, the Noble Warrior and his band did finally overcome all the evil blight which had come upon the land and it's inhabitants, and did throw down the great tower of the Dark One in it's fiery ruin.
Thus did a new age of enlightenment and peace dawn upon all the lands until the great evils that had been wrought became mere old wives tales taught to incredulous striplings.
>I dont really know what SystemD is but i hate it because a lot of guys here on /g/ hate it, so it must be something bad
This is what 99% of the systemd haters do. it is difficult to point out a proper flaw except the main "against the unix philosophy" argument because it MIGHT potentially be more unsafe than if they just did one thing. But only potentially, nobody have found any real security flaw and that CAN happen with systems only designed to do one thing as well.
Actual systemD flaws have been discussed to death years ago, anon. Nobody serious uses systemD, yet some group keeps making these shill threads and pretending that using it is the most normal thing in the world. Nobody will discuss this with you because all the arguments are one Google search away and there's nothing more to debate.
> Actual systemD flaws have been discussed to death years ago, anon.
And in all those years nobody have come up with any real problems except potential problems by breaking the unix philosophy.
>Nobody serious uses systemD, yet some group keeps making these shill threads and pretending that using it is the most normal thing in the world.
Nearly everyone who use linux (Arch, Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu, Mageia, OpenSUSE, Red hat +++) uses systemd. Nobody seriously uses anything else... The only real distros that does not come with systemd as default is gentoo, slackware and void linux. (which only a tiny minority uses and even if they do they might still get systemd)
>Nobody will discuss this with you because all the arguments are one Google search away and there's nothing more to debate.
And all arguments hinges on "philosophical disagreements" and why having a integrated system that does lots of things is worse than having a different thing for every thing.
I think systemd hating is just a way for people to distract themselves from the fact that most software on linux is a pile of bullshit.
what do you expect from a distro thats just stealing from debian or ubuntu(which is just stolen from debian testing) .. do you really expect those joke distros to actually do any development other than some minor patching and ricing ?
is ugly, and anoying to work with.
sys-v init ways way nicer to config, just plain shell scripts.
and since i switched to systemd i have a hard time dealing with shitty services that wont listen to systmectl stop, kill, restart, reload, etc
the shit just isn't working
It's probably why they spend so much time whining about things. The trips of truth.
if I get dubs Linux is better than any OS that exists currently
It's over. The cancer has spread to the majority of distros. Instead of having a simple modular init system were stuck with a tumor that continues to mysteriously swallow core OS functionality.
/gee/, I wonder why spaghetti code from a US corporation continues to swallow vital components of a free OS... What could that possibly mean?
Honestly, I've been using systemd for a year now, and I barely even noticed it was there. All it did for me was give me a slightly easier command to enable and disable services.
Sure I dislike pottering, but what's all the autism about? It's functionally the same thing, and even better in some ways.
Hey sorry to ask but if I wanted to try Mint in a virtual box which is the one to get? One comes with Cinamon and the other comes with MATE. Anyone wanna explain the benefits/disadvantages of each ?
>It's functionally the same thing, and even better in some ways
Yeah, at the surface level commands you run on your riced out terminal, I'm sure. Why should you care about anything else? You're obviously a retard ricer that runs Linux for the special snowflake feel, exactly the userbase that is destroying the community. If you don't care how parts of the system are written and can't see why systemd is destructive to the whole GNU/Linux userland you're the worst form of cancer. This could have been prevented if there were less retards adopting things blindly without even bothering to understand them at the core.
Systemd is a nightmare, insecure, high velocity corporate spaghetti code that continues to absorb more and more in an operating system that was once free and made of modular parts.