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>2016
>windows proven to be a real security threat
>new application market leans towards web interfaces and multi-platform implementations

>Debian, Ubuntu fully supporting ARMv7
>VMs and virtualization technology is mature

>chromebooks, widespread now, have proven the market
>laptops are leaning towards low power consumption and low weight

What stops you from buying an ARM laptop, or even desktop, besides availability?
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>>52326395
Software obviously + Linux is nothing for the mainstream market. Installing a Programm is already overwhelming for a majority of people
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>>52326395
>>windows proven to be a real security threat
Yeah because you are fuckin dumb.
Do you even realize companys use microsofts service to store their emails?
Do you realize that microsoft employees can read those emails?
Do you realize that worrying about your local machines security if you have stored anything in the cloud anyway is fuckin stupid?
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>>52326395
If you use just a browser, word processor and multimedia things, ARM is perfectly adequate.
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>>52326395
>What stops you from buying an ARM laptop
Three years ago I would say performance but right now I don't know what's the situation.
How does performance in typical desktop applications compare to lets say a budget intel i3 CPU?
What's the most powerful ARM chip you can get on a laptop?
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>>52326434

>wow, stop moving your legs, you're making this rape too hard for me

no
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>>52326467
Are you completely fuckin retarded?
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No one will sell you ARM chips if you try to make an ARM laptop. Qualcomm is impossible to deal with. Samsung aren't too bad but demand huge volume. Mediatek or rockchip might but they never have anything powerful enough, they focus on budget SoCs.
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>>52326491
You seem to have a mental disorder.

Obviously, some of my data are stored on cloud.
But SOME is very different from ALL.

Like, personally, I really care to know whether my every keystroke is automatically being send to Microsoft's servers.


But guess what.
Not every file hash or local search is send to microsoft's servers.
Because I'm not using windows.
So fuck off.
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>>52326395
My programs are all x86 and x64 anon baka.
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>>52326395
>chromebooks, widespread now, have proven the market
Only hipster faggots and college twats use Chrome OS, it doesn't do anything a full OS can't do and only has it's cheap hardware a marketing bullshit to tempt customers.
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>>52326395

A 64-bit 8-core ARM processor is not as powerful as a x86-64 8-core Intel/AMD processor. Not even close.
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>>52326686
But if all you do is ricing, shitposting and fapping then an ARM processor with a full load power draw of fucking 3W is the best option
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>>52326395
I don't need one, no reason to buy it.
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Can you even build an ARM-based desktop?
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>>52326686
>A 64-bit 8-core ARM processor is not as powerful as a x86-64 8-core Intel/AMD processor. Not even close.
How about on a per-watt basis?
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>>52326395
ARM is a shit architecture for the applications I need.
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>>52326395
>le windows security threat maymay xD
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>>52326893
Untill Microsoft cuts the crap about installers being able to install adware and shady search engines and implement a proper permission system Windows is insecure.
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>>52326575
Nvidia might be the best hope, they're already in Google's Pixel convertible tablet.
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>>52326395
Its a very weird situation right now
Low end atom chips, and ARM chips are nearly on the same performance level. ARM chips are better on per watt performance but overall have lower performance. Both atom and ARM chips can handle stuff like hardware decoding H265 like a walk in the park, THATS just how powerful today's low end chips are.

In my opinion, atoms are still better because they offer better performance and x86 and AMD64 have a huge compatibility ecosystem, ARM does too, but its kinda limited to Linux based distros like Debian (which run remarkably well on ARM CPUs somehow)
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>>52326954
Given that Windows now includes a shady search engine that does data mining and adware by default I think that's going to be a very long wait if you expect them to fix it.
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>>52326833
>How about on a per-watt basis?
Not even a contest.

ARM slaughtered x86 in that sector years ago.
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>>52326893
>saying "maymay"
kill yourself
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Doesnt Intel own ARM? Does it having NSA ass rape "fill my boy hole with your warm cum" backdoor spy crap? Whats the best ARM CPU and how does it compete with my 4790k?
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>>52326395
>no compatibility with x86 software

ARM
BLOWN
THE
FUCK
OUT
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>angry birds processor taking over x86 processors
>on fucking laptops
wew lad
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>>52326395
>Samsung just presented a Windows 10 tablet with Core M
Yeah no.
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>>52328728
People who used PDPs, RISCs workstations, mainframes, servers, and supercomputers all said the same thing about Intel. x86 chips were 16-bit toy embedded CPUs and now they took over everything. ARM was originally a desktop CPU.

If you told someone back in the 70's that most supercomputers 30 years from then would be compatible with the 8086, they would think you were insane, and not because of the time travel. Intel wouldn't have believed that their 8086 successors could even run Angry Birds.
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>>52328706
Thats like saying fish blown the fuck out because it cant fly

>>52328728
>making opinions on architectures on the basis of games that run on one of the OSes that run on the architecture
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>>52328917
>Thats like saying fish blown the fuck out because it cant fly
Thats because no one is claiming that a fish has wings and can fly
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>>52326395
Absolutely nothing, except the fact that you can't fucking buy one.
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>>52328706
you just have to compile again.
Most libraries work on arm as well.
I don't see the problem here.
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>>52328917
making opinions on comments on opinions on the basis of architectures that run on the opinions of the OS that run the banana
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>>52329073
>word
>photoshop
>maya
>anything used to get real work done
>recompiling dose not make programs just werk on other ISA's
>why the fuck would the entire industry move to another ISA for no good reason
>die
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>>52326395
Software. And ARM IPC a dogshit.
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>>52328917
It's not just that but ARM is shit in general. It can't run x86 software or x86 OSs without severe bottlenecks. ARM isn't taking over anything.

In fact x86 UMPCs are destined to brutally murder ARM based phones soon. We already have cherry trail atoms. Goldmont core atoms aren't that far away either.
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>>52329182
As much as it pains me accept it, you're right
x86_64 atoms are more powerful than even the high end ARM chips. Though it would be nice to have another architecture that can prevent an x86 monopoly
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>>52326395
>What stops you from buying an ARM laptop, or even desktop, besides availability?

losing 90% of software compatibility
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>>52326575
It'll happen eventually. An rPi Zero in a laptop shell is almost a passable device.
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>>52329127
all these applications are quite expensive. They must be able to hire programmers so they can recompile and make it work for you right?
Why else would you pay them?
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>>52329327
You're right, they will spend lots of money just to appease a few autists who though ARM laptops were a great thing.
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>>52329327
>They must be able to hire programmers so they can recompile and make it work for you right?
But it already works, on a proven system to boot, why would they do unneeded work because a neckbeard on /g/ thinks ARM is better?
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>>52329323
>losing 90% of software compatibility
I heard that you can compile software for any architecture. That's just a rumor though.
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>>52326395
I like a bit more power, but now you can just remote connect to your home desktop for power tasking.
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>>52329127
For some reason a community managed project like Debian manages to keep over 20000 software packages up-to-date for SEVERAL architectures.
Wow, it must be really really hard.
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>>52329377
I heard all software is open source, maybe that's just a rumor too.

I heard software companies just code, compile and ship and don't do any testing or validation, maybe that' just a rumor as well.
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>>52326395
>windows proven to be a real security threat

top zozzle m9. prove it or gtfo
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>>52329397
Your just mad because its never going to happen
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>>52329420
Why would you use anything but libre software?
Are you a masochist?
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>>52326395
Despite all the shitpotings, OP, I agree. However, give it another couple of years.

I like ARM computers. Especially the raspberry pis. They're good for training folks to become programmers in an environment where if something breaks they just need to burn a backup of the SD card. In fact, there should be protocols for that which I myself wish I would follow more considering how much I like to experement with these things, even if they performance isn't god tier.

The Gameboy wasn't god tier hardware yet it outlived the Sega Game Gear.

So to Shitposters, don't knock it until you rock it.
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>>52326395
>What stops you from buying an ARM laptop, or even desktop, besides availability?
The fact that they would be based on some SOC that the manufacturers would more than likely not provide the source code for the drivers for, preventing people from compiling another OS to run on it and leaving you with the shitty Android toy OS that they would no doubt put on it.
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>>52328917
>fish blown the fuck out because it cant fly
I see you fell for the fish can't fly meme.
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>>52329127
>>word
Google Drive, provided the ARM developer for Chromium succeeds in the future and that JavaScript programmers learn how to use RESTFUL COMMAND THAT DON'T SUCK UP MEMORY LIKE FAGGOTS!

>>photoshop
Gimp...and inkscape...and scribus

>>maya
Blender (sooner than you think.)

>>die
You first, faggot!
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>g-guys, ARM isnt powerful enough and doesn't have the software!

mfw
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>>52330517
Nice, now show us ARM running x86 software without a severe bottleneck.
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>>52330564
>x86 software
Why?
>inb4 I pretend work in a field that requires niche specialist proprietary software
Your own fault for choosing a field that requires the use of proprietary software.
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>>52330720
salty freedumbcuck right here people
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>>52330720
>>x86 software
>Why?

spoken like a true freetard
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>>52326410
1. Go to software center
2. Type in the program you want
3. Download

How is this hard again?
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>>52330837
>I'm a professional architect, mechanical engineer and photo editor despite still living in my parents' basement
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>>52326395
But I already use an arm laptop anon. HP slatebook x2.
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>>52326395
>What stops you from buying an ARM laptop, or even desktop, besides availability?
availability
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>>52330845
Bullshit anon. Try downloading and installing something... Hell anything NOT in the software center.

Now do it without touching a goddamned command line interface.
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>>52326395
>windows proven to be a real security threat

I think you mean Android.
Windows is as secure as ever, but the only reason why we haven't had a malware with infection rate as high as the Blaster Worm for Android is because no one was bored enough to make one yet.
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>>52331154
Windows is the more secure now than its ever been. They have taken some serious steps to improve security.
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>>52326410
>go into terminal
>apt-get install (program)

how hard was that again?
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>>52331067
Only a mental defect would find typing apt-get install <package> difficult.
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>>52331067
>goddamned command line interface.
Boo hoo
Back in my days all computers had were command-line interfaces.
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>>52331234
Mine too but we stopped using DOS in the 90's dipshit.
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>>52331407
You're just a tech illiterate, you'll get better eventually.
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call me when there's good x86 instruction hardware level translator on arm.
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>>52331446
>x86
Why?
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>>52331206
I said without using command line so it was apparently too fuck hard for you>>52331206
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>>52326593
>Implying normies actually use workload applications on a laptop.

If they own a laptop they're likely browsing the web or playing games in it. While there are a few exceptions, laptops are widely considered consumption devices.

Now, as for the people who want to do some light document work, just use the ARM Abiword port or (not sure if it exists yet) get a LibreOffice port.

Then there's also the oppurtunity to build a compatibility layer for android apps and.

Not sure if Remix OS is also going to be ARM-compatible as all I've heard and read is "The x86 Android OS" but that may be a viable alternative to a distro running on an ARM.
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>>52331462
Command line does the same thing software center does. Why are you complaining?
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>>52331491
>ARM Abiword
https://packages.debian.org/sid/abiword
alpha (unofficial port)
amd64
arm64
armel
armhf
hppa (unofficial port)
hurd-i386
i386
kfreebsd-amd64
kfreebsd-i386
mips
mipsel
powerpc
ppc64 (unofficial port)
ppc64el
s390x

I don't know why proprietary fags are so in love with x86
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>>52331459
enterprisequality* software built back in 2003 on xp and hacked through out the years to keep it "updated" that barely run on windows 7 that somes enterprise rely on like there's no tommorow
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>>52331222

Don't overestimate normies.
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>>52331445
Arrogance about bullshit does not make your bullshit into non bullshit. It's just makes you full of bullshit and willfully ignorant of it.

For anything other than limited professional use the command line is over and done. Day to day users will not put up with that bullshit, and they have every damned right no to tolerate it.

This is the one and only true reason gnu/Linux has and will continue to fail. There is no point on overcomplicating what should be a relatively simple task. You're not clever for wasting valuable time on bullshit for the sake of feeling clever...you're just a dipshit who wastes time.
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>>52331497
Don't use either. No software center and no command line...the challenge is to download software from the internet and get it installed via the mouse like a goddamned normal person. In most cases with GNU/Linux you cannot perform this simple and basic task.
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>>52331670
That's a problem with the software, not GNU/Linux
There's plenty of software that has GNU/Linux installers.
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>>52326395
ARM sucks.
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>>52331800
In what way?
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The best thing about an ARM laptop is that 99% of all malware doesn't even work on it.
For instance you don't have to avoid the worst malware: Adobe Flash.
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>>52331863
It's gay, fuck you.
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>>52331912
There is literally nothing wrong with being gay
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>>52331912
>muh games
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>>52331863
Not only can it not run x86 programs it also only has a small library of useful software.

Also what the fuck is OP even talking about? Windows runs on ARM.
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I have a PC that's solely for gaming and another PC that's solely a Linux box. If someone comes out with an ARM desktop platform that can rival even a Haswell i3 chip, I'd buy one and make it my Linux box even if that means the inconvenience of forcing me to do my video encodes on my gaming PC. But ARM chips aren't that powerful yet, and I have doubts that their performance can scale that well. Until then I just have my RaspPi 2.
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>>52332045
>Windows runs on ARM.
Eh, just shitty Windows RT and whatever that specialized IoT thing is for the Raspberry Pi 2. No full desktop Windows 10 to my knowledge, but I could be wrong.

Even then, though, there's the obvious problem that you can't run Win32/64 binaries on ARM even if a Windows 10 port did exist. That kind of defeats the purpose of using Windows in the first place. Might as well just use Debian.
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Does it run games on ultra HD graphics? or even Minecraft?
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>>52332045
>Not only can it not run x86 programs
So run the ARM versions
https://packages.debian.org

Everything available, see
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No Flash on ARM Windows or ARM Linux. No Wine on ARM Linux or backwards compatibility for Intel Windows Desktop applications on ARM, or even a compatibility layer (like Rosetta on Mac).

ARM Chromebooks don't sell well. Surface tablets using ARM chips did not sell well.

What makes you think that an ARM laptop would sell well?
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>>52332614
>No Flash on ARM Windows or ARM Linux.
>That is a bad thing.
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>>52332705

It means zero compatibility with a lot of existing software, and a number of video streaming sites. And while Flash did have a lot of vulnerabilities last year, iOS had more, yet people still use it.
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>>52332225
I've used them, they all suck. All are basically crippled versions of x86 programs. On top of this ARM cpu performance is dogshit. God help you if you wanna encode 480p h264 at greater than 10fps.
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>>52332225

Skype, Steam, and Wine do not run on ARM Linux.
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>>52332111
>But ARM chips aren't that powerful yet
I found a place that lists benchmarks on different platforms based on a common standard.

https://browser.primatelabs.com/processor-benchmarks
https://browser.primatelabs.com/android-benchmarks
Intel Core i3-4130T 2900 MHz: 6003
Intel Core i3-4370 3800 MHz: 7818
Samsung Exynos 7420 1500 MHz: 4238-4511 (depending on the phone it's in)

Keep in mind that the Samsung Exynos 7420 is crammed into a phone and is being cooled passively. With some sort of actually decent cooling that SOC could probably at least match the I3-4130T which is clocked almost twice as fast while only performing about 33% better on the benchmark.
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>>52332225
I don't give a fuck about your open sores ARM programs, they all blow. Saying otherwise means you're delusional as fuck.
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>>52332849
>I've used them, they all suck. All are basically crippled versions of x86 programs.
They are exactly the same. What are you talking about?

>>52332850
>Skype, Steam, and Wine
Botnet, Botnet, compatibility program for Botnets

>>52332821
>It means zero compatibility with a lot of existing software, and a number of video streaming site
What software requires Flash of all things?
>streaming sites
http://docs.livestreamer.io/
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>>52332889
You are proof that all freetards should be gassed.
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>>52326395
I NEED MUH AVX2 FAGGOT FUCK OFF
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>>52332912
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>>52329127
>lists over-priced garbage software
Nah, I will be over here NOT throwing my money down the toilet.
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>RISC
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>>52333000
Intel and AMD CPUs are RISC with a CISC decoder
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>>52332861
>comparing different CPU architectures with synthetic benchmarks
oh boy
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>>52332988
Stop being in denial anon, we all know you're a poorfag living in a cardboard box.
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ITT: butt inflammation about the fact that freefriends can easily switch the architecture without any problems
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>>52333009
What's wrong exactly?
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>>52326395
Because Linux still has shit support for most games and a fairly large group of gpus unless you are installing tar blobs and drivers manually. Also most basic Linux distros still lack inbuilt features for customization and control (ie things like the control panels are sorely lacking in ability/something doesn't work very little to be done gui wise)


These are little things to be honest, but remember most people are total fucking retards when it comes to this stuff. Linux developers need to pay more attention to these user/idiot proof details otherwise it will never start displacing windows in a significant way.

That is why. But yea Microsoft is such shit now it wouldn't take much to cause people to flee en masses. Somebody within the Linux community just needs to make a push somewhere to make/edit a distro to have more user land shit so the commoners can run their shit games and crap easily.
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>>52330564
Since he didn't help you out with this I would be more than happy to. Just name a piece of software that I NEED that I can't replace with a cross-platform/cross-arch alternative (my AMD64, x86, and ARM devices all run similar software currently).
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>flash doesn't run on ARM

Damn, you sure fooled me. Oh well, i'll go back to watching this silky smooth flash video stream.
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>>52331154
>Windows
>secure as ever
I will be over here, dying of laughter, when you need me.
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>>52333110
What's that running on?
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>>52326395
Lol poor people at it again
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>>52333179
>24h battery life
>lol poor people
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>>52333110
I wouldn't install flash regardless of CPU architecture

If it's for twitch you can just use livestreamer + mpv
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>>52333159
NVIDIA Shield Android TV, cost about $200 USD. Currently the ARM graphics performance king.

Takes a bit of work to set up but it's a good tech demo and development platform for the future of computing.
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>>52333104
Nobody gives a shit about what you need you special snowflake.
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>>52333195
>laptop
>any year
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Okay armcucks, show me an ARM chip encoding 10-bit 720p h264 video and I'll consider switching to one of your ARM meme OSs.
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>>52333009
If I had to pay for sub-par software then, yes. Luckily, I live in the modern world where open-source software is almost always comparable or superior to the proprietary alternative.
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>>52333297
I'm pretty sure the Shield TV can do that barely sweating
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>g-g-guys ARM performance is shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMbNBZu9fRo

Intel shills blown the fuck out YET AGAIN
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>>52333423
>h-hey guys I can run a crippled version of memes of wars
>intel btfo
>r-right guys!?
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>>52333007
>arguing with trips
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>>52330152
Cant even, google docs pales in every aspect compared to Office

GIMP is shit
Blender is for pre-teens

>MFW most of the world supercomputers run x86, and not ARM
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>>52333419
ok, are you going to show us or not?
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>>52333596
Ayy stop hating on blender. You can actually make mad dosh if you are skilled enough with it and python.
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>>52326395
>VMs and virtualization technology is mature
Wine only supports x86 architecture.
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>>52333596
>YFW you have no face
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>switching from one monopoly to another
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>>52326575
>Mediatek, Rockchip
https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=f076ef44a44d02ed91543f820c14c2c7dff53716
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>>52333423
>video includes stuttering
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MMX
SSE
SSE2
SSSE3
SSSE4.1
SSE4.2
SSE4A
AVX
AVX 512-BITS
AES-NI
XOP
FMA3+4

list the ARM equivalents
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>>52326776
Nvidia's Jetson boards are unofficially mini-ITX. They only have one flipping SATA port like AllWinner boards though.
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Windows NT for MIPS, Alpha and PPC had x86 emulators built in. We could had have them in windows RT too, but MS did not enable it because "muh metro apps"
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>muh proprietary software
>gotta boot in real mode and run DOS 1.0 natively in 2016
>the competition doesn't have instructions that were deprecated since 1990
>the competition doesn't have 2 decades of obsolete SIMD baggage
>b-but programs with the same source code are crippled on ARM

Why are Intel fans/shills so afraid of "slow" RISC CPUs?
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>>52333913
lets emulate a high performance ISA, on a low performance ISA, for zero performance!
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>>52333612
Can't produce proof myself as I don't have one, ask >>52333110 instead. My HTPC is x86_64

Here's some pictures of a Shield TV's CPU usage under playback of some 1080p Hi10p encode:
https://imgur.com/a/nlHvB
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>>52333986
Why would anyone switch to it if it had so shitty performance?
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>>52333972
Stockholm syndrome, or capture-bonding, is a psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending and identifying with the captors. These feelings are generally considered irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims, who essentially mistake a lack of abuse from their captors for an act of kindness.

>Thank you Microsoft for Windows 10
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>>52330082
>The Gameboy wasn't god tier hardware yet it outlived the Sega Game Gear.
The Gameboy could run for weeks on two AA batteries, while the Game Gear died after 2-3 hours with 3.

Basically, the Game Boy was a portable gaming console while the Game Gear was just... not.
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>>52334023
Dont know, go ask OP. he seems to slobber on ARM's knob every night.
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>>52334018
>>52333612
https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=99202&sid=36ef64b42704988f3522054213e65703
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>>52333725
fucking dying right now.
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>ARM

ARM is unsustainable due to the parent company desperately holding on to the "rights"

And if ARM falters, you're screwed

RiscV is the future
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>>52334041
>The Gameboy could run for weeks on two AA batteries, while the Game Gear died after 2-3 hours with 3.
So ARM vs x86 then
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>>52334023
Low performance doesn't mean shitty performance. ARM is more than plenty for a facebook machine.

Emulating x86 on ARM would not be ok though. It would be very slow and power hungry, and Microsoft made the right choice in not including it.
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>>52326395

I'm considering buying a Tegra K1 (Nvidia) lappy soon, or I might stay with Intel for a while.
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>>52333972
Sorry but toaster CPUs do not belong on desktops/laptops.
>muh chromebook
People only bought them because of the google name. Everyone regrets not being able to use real (windows) software.
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>>52334084
ARM laptops are not that much more power efficient than x86 laptops. The CPU is not the major drain.
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>>52326395
>VMs and virtualization technology is mature
>virtualization
plz, containers are the future
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7
2
Doesn't throttle at all with 2 cores at 2.3GHz on passive cooling from a phablet. This thing would actually work really well in low end fanless laptops, since there's not really many processing-heavy programs for ARM.
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>>52331067
You mean "try downloading, compiling and installing a package from scratch".

Yes, this can be tricky the first few times on Linux, but it's so much worse on Windows.

If this is something you evaluate laptops based on then Linux is definitely for you.
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>>52326747
how am I supposed to compile everything on such a weak chipset?

>>52326833
on a per time basis
but in terms of calculational power over time intel's got some x86 chips that win. Sure the arm chip might use less power to run but when it takes several times longer to complete the task it doesn't always really help.
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>>52334194
Yeah but it can't run x86 software so it's immediately garbage for laptops.

I'm not saying ARM in an of itself is a bad architecture. However nobody developed enough useful software for it so the only reason to ever use ARM is for cheap phones and tablets. That's about it.
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>>52331206
>go to powershell
>install-package (program)
because that's so hard too
microsoft is finally starting to get their shit together with recent powershell versions
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>>52334277
>However nobody developed enough useful software for it
I think you're confusing ARM for Windows RT.
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>>52334277
I think you're confusing nonfree shitware compiled by incompetent morons who can't write architecture independent code and compile binaries for other archs with software senpai
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>>52334277
Normies only use internet browsing and word processing on their $300 shittops either ways, and W10 and GNU/Linux all have good enough programs that will run on ARM for those tasks. Considering ARM chips are cheap even compared to i3 chips, there's no reason low end laptops couldn't just use ARM instead.
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>>52334320
No, ARM altogether has less software than x86. It's an inescapable fact of life.

Nobody ever took ARM seriously and now it's playing catch up with desktop software and things don't look good.

I think the main problem is ARM focused solely on low power devices instead of desktop grade chips. That means ARM is not what you want to use for things like ray tracing or video encoding.

ARM could have been amazing had samshit and qualcum developed ARM chips for desktops. But they didn't and now they're paying the price.
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>>52334430
>ARM could have been amazing had samshit and qualcum developed ARM chips for desktops. But they didn't and now they're paying the price.
You make it seem like intel would sit still and let them come onto the scene with no competition?

There is a reason Core-M is exists
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>>52334277
>x86 software
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>>52334430
>No, ARM altogether has less software than x86. It's an inescapable fact of life.
Virtually all libre software is available for ARM.
So everything will be fine as long as you don't hate freedom.
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>>52334420
>W10 and GNU/Linux all have good enough programs that will run on ARM for those tasks.
These crippled versions of x86 programs are not something a normie would use, trust me.

>Considering ARM chips are cheap even compared to i3 chips, there's no reason low end laptops couldn't just use ARM instead.
Again software support and raw CPU performance is the problem here. Both of which ARM is dogshit at.

Look I have a raspberry pie and tinker with it often but let's not kid ourselves, ARM isn't going to be replacing x86 anytime soon. It simply has wayyyy too much normie support at this point ever since normies found out they can play vydias on their laptops/desktops.
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>>52334252
You seriously do not get the problem do you? You are completely oblivious.
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>>52334485
Not him but I hate freedom, I just want shit to fucking work and not require me to have a PhD in computer science to use it.
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>>52334539
>I hate freedom
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>>52334461
Don't forget about $20-30 high performance cherry trail atoms. intel isn't fucking around anymore, it wants arm dead.
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>>52334507
>It simply has wayyyy too much normie support at this point ever since normies found out they can play vydias on their laptops/desktops.

Normies don't play PC games anymore, anon. They read facebook and watch netflix.
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>>52334539
>hate freedom
Good, good.
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>>52334041
Go back to /vr/ with this shit.
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>>52334485
>all libre
>hate freedom

good try anon, but that argument is bullshit, just like ARM.
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>>52334569
Every cherry trail board I find is over $100 USD. Care to share anything that's cheaper?
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>>52331206
>>52330845

We are talking about pc illiterates.i don't expect my parents to even know how to open the terminal. They'd never be able to install something on Linux if it's not in the software center,on Windows however they have no problems
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>>52334657
>They'd never be able to install something on Linux if it's not in the software center,
That's simply not true. There is software with installers.
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>>52334648
OEM's get them for free pretty much.
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>>52334577
Well not anymore. Seems like they grew tired of playing angry birds over and over again.

To make things even worse, Sony AND microsoft are using x86 processors. Dark times are ahead for ARM, maybe even the end.
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>>52334687
Don't forget about Nintendo, they plan to use an APU from AMD for their next console.
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>>52334687
Normies still play plenty of games on xbox and mobile, just not on PC. Angry Birds was a mobile game.
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>>52334673
Bullshit. Tell that to someone who has used Linux before.
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>enslaving yourself to x86
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>>52334860
Without even Googling, I know 1 application that comes with an installer:
Maple
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>>52334858
xbox uses an x86 processor, albeit a 32-bit one.
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>>52334899
>I know 1 application
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>>52334869
We don't have a choice. ARM is shit and all the other architectures aren't even trying to compete with x86 anymore.

We need something better than x86 not worse.
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>What stops you from buying an ARM laptop, or even desktop, besides availability?
i'm not a tinfoil-hat wearing retard who thinks microsoft is going to do evil things with telemetry data
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>>52326610
It has a fucking huge market share for something not windows or OS X
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>>52334910
What are you trying to argue?

The CPU in a gaming console does not affect a normie's choice of laptop because laptops are not used for gaming.
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>>52334858
Here's the thing lad, most normies use consoles. And almost all consoles use x86 processors now. This isn't good for ARM at all.

Yeah normies play mobile games but the fact is they get bored of them really quickly. Give a normie killzone shadow fall, gta v, and uncharted and he will rot in his room for a year.
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> dat 9W performance
x86 IS KILL
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all my devices are arm.
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>>52328654
No, ARM is a British company. Their designs are royalty free as far as I'm aware.
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>>52335034
Normies also want to play vydias on laptops now. The vydias they want to play require an x86 processor. ARM is doomed.
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>>52326610
>it doesn't do anything a full OS can't do
You mean "it doesn't do anything that a full OS can't be programmed to do".

It does plenty of things that a no OS does. This includes booting in two seconds, separating user data from the OS data so you can encrypt only one, synchronizing all your settings so well that you can toss the machine and get a new one without noticing a change. I could go on.
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>>52335086
Citation needed.
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ARM ON SUICIDE WATCH
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>>52335046
You do realize you can't compare different architectures with synthetic benchmarks right?

Also that A9X will only ever be used for apple products thus negating ARM's low cost benefit.
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>>52329326

not even close
even the rPi 2 sucks
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>>52334941
How's ARM "worse"?
From a software development perspective (writing an OS), it's god-like, due to the simplicity of it's assembly language and not relying on fuck-old interfaces for things like booting or getting keyboard input or fucking not having gaps in available memory. I'm sure there's better architectures, but it's definitely an improvement.
And I guess with ARM not being so power-hungry, it's also nice for hardware engineers.
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>>52335080
>Their designs are royalty free as far as I'm aware.
EL OH EL. All ARM designs are proprietary and ARM bases it's business on selling those designs (IP cores).
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>>52335144
>Microsoft
>migrate to ARM
kek, if nobody buys their phones what are they going to migrate?
>Apple
>migrate to ARM
How can you project further gains on something impossible?
Do these stupid people think that the MacBook line would suddenly go ARM?
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>>52335155
>You do realize you can't compare different architectures with synthetic benchmarks right?
why not?
> do same thing on both chips
> compare speeds

Nothing wrong with it!
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>>52335173
The biggest issue is raw performance. Yeah ARM is power efficient but when you need to encode 1080p video you turn to x86, when you want to render 3d animations you turn to x86, when you need to run a website server you turn to x86, when you need to run a super computer you turn to x86.

ARM literally has 0 desktop AND laptop processors.
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>>52335308
>when you need to run a super computer you turn to x86
Not really. POWER 7, or CRAY, rather.
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>>52335308
THIS. I want to see a quad-core A72 processor clocked at 4GHz with active cooling then I'll start to take ARM seriously.
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>>52335308
See >>52328900
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>>52335365

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tianhe-2

>32,000 Intel Xeon E5-2692
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>>52335417
okay well tell samsung and qualcomm to stop jerking each other off and make desktop processors.
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>>52335446
Cool. But x86 is a minority on TOP500.
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>>52335484
It only powers the fastest super computer in the world
The closest one is HALVE as fast.
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>>52335484
For now. x86 is not however a minority on website servers.
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>>52335484
80% of the top 500 run on x86 processors, what are you talking about?
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>super computers
>laptops
>relevance
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>>52331222
Can you only see things from your perspective? For normal people it's as difficult as talking to people is for you.
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>>52336250
fucking rekt, god damn
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>>52336250
dam son
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>>52334860
Don't most commercial software distributes Linux versions in binary. Go download a's visual novel. Linux version is given in binary. It's obvious from your answer that you only used Linux for a short time. As many people have said it if it's not distributed in binary it's not worth using it.
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>>52336250
butteradicated.
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>>52326747
accept no one on the planet that owns a pc uses it to only shitpost and jerk off.
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>>52333423
Looks like it could be graphics from a PSP.
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>>52331517
because we believe in a useful and simple work environment and we dont mind paying for it? if obscure operating systems and hardware somehow magicly become easier to use than windows ill switch.
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>>52336813
Where do you think you are faggot
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>>52331517
>abiword vs MS word
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>>52335398
Are A72 cores even being used in anything yet? If you wouldn't mind A57 cores instead, AMD is coming out with an 8 core Opteron using them... eventually.
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>>52337104
LibreOffice
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>>52333423
gee, removing half the physics of the inferior console version sure makes it the same right
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>>52337145
Huawei has a quad core A72 4gb chip already shipping in their latest phone.

I have no idea what they are like to deal with, I should ask them if they're interested in a SBC project.
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>>52335281
Not him but this has been explained countless times in countless threads. If you really want an explanation, I suggest you check the archives.

Needless to say, it's not as simple as you make it out to be and geekbench in particular is an example of truly terrible benchmarking software with a clear bias.
>>52335484
No it isn't. It's a long time since I've seen an anon be so wrong.
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ARM will win eventually, but it's way too early. I'd give it 8 years until it starts taking over.
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>>52333771
>MMX
NEON
>SSE
NEON
>SSE2
NEON
>SSSE3
NEON
>SSSE4.1
NEON
>SSE4.2
NEON
>SSE4A
NEON
>AVX
NEON
>AVX 512-BITS
implement it urself u fucking piece of shit
NEON
>AES-NI
>XOP7
NEON
>FMA3+4
NEON
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>Wintards literally begging to be cucked by Intel
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>>52334130
I guess chromebook battery life is simply because of magic then
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>>52326395
Gaming, VM labs, graphic editing.
I wouldn't mind owning a chromebook but I can't justify the price (yes, even with how cheap they are now).
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>>52334142
Right, that's how you can run Windows in LXC. Oh, wait...
Containerization is great but it won't be the end-all.
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>>52333725
underrated
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>>52340183
>run Windows
why would you ever do that to yourself?
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>>52326395
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qj8p-PEwbI
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>>52326395
>not mentioning Intel backdoors
I wish someone started looking into OpenSPARC/LEON platforms and updating them into low-power desktop/laptop CPUs of the next decade.
>mature
>RISC
>elegant instruction set
>high performance
>wealth of pre-existing software and compilers
>GPL (suboptimal, but even better than ARM's licensing scheme)
I like. Unfortunately the market doesn't seem to be there. Intel keeps waving their dicks because we let them.
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>>52340183

>windows
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>>52326410
Maintream consumers are already switching from wintel to Android/iOS tablets and phones for their day-to-day work. Turns out email and facebook work just fine on anything and not quite everybody needs to be married to MS for their work and leisure.

Businesses with important monoplatform software and vidya players are obviously another category.
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>>52334569
>one of the biggest manufacturers of ARM chips for the embedded market
>wants ARM dead
sure, mate
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>>52333297
I'm pretty sure my 4 year old qualcomm chipset can do this. 1080p is stuttery but should be a benchmark.
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So are we gonna get some actual discussion about RISC on desktop besides Winshills whining how they can't live without Photoshop like it's going to magically disappear if Intel's stranglehold on the market loosens?
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