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>"The world’s first true plug and play Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) external graphics enclosure – the Razer Core supercharges your Ultrabook and transforms it into a full gaming setup. A Chroma-enabled enclosure that houses a full-length, double-wide PCIe desktop graphics card, 4 USB 3.0 ports and Ethernet, the Core has plug and play support for compatible graphics cards which means, there’s no need to reboot your system when you fuse the Razer Blade Stealth with the Razer Core."

>It's not Razer exclusive, you can just buy it and use it on any laptop with TB3.0 port.

Desktopfags 0 - 1 Laptop gamers
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>>52301800
Ignorant question incoming

So is usb-c called thunderbolt now because apple had some stuff to do with the creation ?
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>>52301800
Can someone explain how this works in terms of drivers?

I don't understand how it redirects the graphics output back through USB, isn't there a bandwidth bottleneck there? Or does this only work with external displays?
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Thunderbolt has like 20GB/s both ways I believe.
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>>52301800
will it blend? that is the question
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>>52301894
TB3 has 40gbps which is almost at pcie 2.0 speed. Also it's pci-e x4 bandwidth, so you will only see like 2% - 3% bottleneck which is nothing.
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>>52301800
>Desktopfags 0 - 1 Laptop gamers
Ignoring the fact that this thing itself literally is 60%+ a Desktop PC
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interdesting
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>>52301800
Thunderbolt is 40Gbps so 5GB/s while PCI/E 3.1 x 16 is 15.75 GB/S, so does this thing have 3 parallel thunderbolt 3.0 connectors.
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arent laptops supposed to be mobile? now to game you have to carry a whole bunch of shit with you?

i bought a laptop fucking regret it they are pos, should had just spent it on pc parts
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>>52301962
desktop gaming at home, work outside.

>>52301943

nope, see the pic for real world benchmarks.
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>>52301800
So you just need 1 usb to plug it in, and the others are for accessories or do you use them all ?
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>>52301986
no, thunderbolt 3. it has usb-c type port.
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>>52301876
that's the most retarded thing I ever read.
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>>52302024
Elaborate
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>>52301800
>Thunderbolt 3 bandwidth: 40 Gbit/s
>PCI Express 1.0 x16 bandwidth: 40 Gbit/s
>PCI Express 3.0 x16 bandwidth: 128 Gbit/s
Have fun with your gimped performance.
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>still need external mouse and keyboard
>still have a weak cpu
>need to rely on a proprietary port
>still have to suffer a mix of windows, hardware and game issues limiting the use of the non-integrated laptop gpu
>still only 60hz
>limited storage, how are you supposed to hold 2TB+ game libraries external drives which aren't ideal for gaming either

at many points its just worth it to have a desktop
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vf2yjBkOv-k
2016 looks like a good year for laptop gaming.
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>>52301800
Now if only you get a desktop CPU with some sort of external socket interface for true portable gaming

Just like a screen with ram and a hard drive inside it
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>>52302049
Im not him, but you have to use 3x usb 3.0 btw
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>>52301880
I think it only works with external displays. I'm only assuming though.
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>>52302497
I can understand why one wouldn't want to get this, but these sounds like the arguments of someone who doesn't like the idea of their desktop being challenged.
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>>52302787
If you already have a discrete gpu in the laptop, you will most probably need a monitor. But if you only have integrated, then nvidia should work with the built in display due to optimus thing.
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>>52302805
bitch I'm more scared of the fucking ipad pro than your stupid laptop dock
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So will the core work with other laptops or will i have to get the ultrabook in order for it to work?
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>>52301876
From what I understand the Thunderbird standard takes a port like mini-display, usb-c, etc and add additional functionality to it while maintaining compatibility with the original standard of the post they used. I could be wrong, and if I am please let me know, but that's what I understand
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>>52302497
>proprietary port
no, it's not apple exclusive port anymore. directly developed and promoted by intel.

>limited storage
no.

>have to suffer windows hardware problems
it's nothing different than attaching a pci-e card to your desktop mobo. same port, same architecture and specifications.

>weak cpu
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-4790K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-4720HQ
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>>52301876
USB-C is a type of connector,
thunderbolt is an interface type.

IIRC under the new specs for USB C, you could use it as the cable with many more different interfaces.

Maybe its finally time for a universal connector USB-C +thunderbolt
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>>52302852
thunderbolt is like a container that implements every type of port on a pc, plus the thunderbolt specs itself.

>>52302830
any laptop with thunderbolt 3.0 port. probably the next gen macbooks too.
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>>52302511
> 9 minutes battery life
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>>52302822
This. Optimus effectively sends a video stream of the rendered videogame for example to the integrated graphics. Although I don't see why a driver fix can come in and have the external optimus override the internal optimus like this anon said.
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>gaming on those shitty 15 inch TN screens

At least get a decent monitor to go with that gpu..

and while you have that..might as well get a dock so you can use a proper keyboard and mouse...
and now suddenlly you're only like 1-2 components away from a full fledged desktop
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>>52301800
you can already do this with TB2.0 and a Macbook
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>>52302511
>vents on the bottom

they dun goof'd already
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>>52301800
I've had a DIY external gpu for a while now. Its pretty good for what it cost but I'd only recommend something like this if you've already bought a laptop and are too poor to get a desktop. Just get a desktop, its not worth it.
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>>52303008
what your performance hit and what setup do you have?
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how long before we see some hipster with a tiny ITX desktop machine hooked up to an external GPU box
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So basically you need to carry around a large, expensive external GPU and run it on your shitty laptop hardware (it's shitty, otherwise you'd buy a gay-mans laptop), whenever you can find a power point handy to plug it into?

I'm sorry, but IMO this is a solution to a problem that can't be fixed externally.
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>>52301876
Thunderbolt was made by Intel you autist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8
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>>52303252
Can you explain why the fuck are you carrying around the GPU box unless you are extremely autist to play games on train or cafes?
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How do you get the video via USB if GPU's don't use that
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>Guys don't get big gaming laptops or macbooks, get a middling gaming PC and a cheap laptop, get cheap quality all around!
/g/ logic I've heard shilled many times

Now you can get a high quality laptop with an i5 mobile or i7 mobile, which when plugged in should be enough for any gaymen, a mid range or high tier GPU, and be fine
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>>52301800
Good luck upgrading your cpu and soldered ram.
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Why isn't anyone wondering how a 200W GPU can be powered by a laptop?

Or is there some sort of secondary plug.
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>>52303723
>Or is there some sort of secondary plug.
Of course theres a secondary plug most laptops are 35/45/65/90W for ultrabooks and 130W+ for models with dedicated graphics cards.
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>>52303723
It's got to be a secondary plug. There's no way of getting it reliable power without it.

Also, someone give me a call when my phone can plug into a laptop dock/external battery which can then be plugged into my eGPU dock, using the same OS on each part.
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>>52302355
PCIe bandwidth hardly matters now, and it will matter even less in the future with DX12/Vulkan and GPUs loaded with stupid amounts of HBM.

The way of the future is to just keep tons of shit in video RAM all the time but to let rendering engines and video drivers keep an externally consistent view of GPUs' memory space.
The only things that will flow from the CPU each frame will be simple instruction batches that execute pre-compiled shaders on the GPUs.
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I can see this working for students.

>take laptop to lecture or class
>come to home/dorm
>plug in laptop to eGPU, plug eGPU into monitor

That gives you a solid system for gaymen or photoshop and a portable laptop for schoolwork without paying for both.
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>buy laptop for portability
>have to carry around this huge box
>need TWO plugs to power both the laptop and the GPU
>12.5'' 4K/1440p screen

also
>6 months later
>GPU starts failing due to being moved around constantly, accidentally dropped, etc
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This is hardly innovative, external video cards have been around for years.

>>52303822
The idea is you keep the box at home and take the laptop out with you.
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>>52303834
>The idea is you keep the box at home and take the laptop out with you.
If the idea is to keep the box at home, how am I going to be gaming on the move?
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>>52303849
That is not the intended use. If you want a gaming laptop to take around, do that. This is an odd hybrid system giving someone good games at home and and laptop to carry around on the go.
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>>52303849
The Razer laptop has a bit of grunt to it, the target audience can probably play LoL or DotA on it just fine without the eGPU.
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>>52303849
>gaming on the move
Literally Autism: The Post
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>>52303864>>52303880

You know though most people who buy this will take these thigns outside. Will be fun to watch how long these things will live.
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Man now to rig like 8 of these niggers up for GPGPU
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>>52301800
>external GPU
>external mouse
>external keyboard
>external monitor
>external speakers
>chair and desk
>$2000 for laptop cpu and memory
>mfw
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>>52301800
This is great for people who travel and live away from home often, as the GPU box itself looks portable.

But I don't see how basement neckbeards like us would need this.
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>>52303811
>PCIe bandwidth hardly matters now
Hey, retard.. how exactly you propose that data travels from the external enclosure to the laptop if 'bandwidth hardly matters"? It does not matter how the card 'renders' a frame if it cannot consistently talk to the CPU/RAM at full bandwidth
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>>52304298
>Intel® Core™ i7-6500U Dual-Core Processor with Hyper Threading 2.5GHz / 3.1GHz (Base/Turbo)

Are they really advertising this as a gaming laptop?
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>>52304376
go suck a dick. most modern games barely even notice losing 75% of a GPU's PCIe bandwidth.

> http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/pci-express-scaling-game-performance-analysis-review,1.html
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>>52304376
>>52304479
BTFO
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>>52304538
that faggot was pretty retarded.

if he'd bother to glance at the rest of the thread, we would have noticed that there are apparently some situations where a GPU can have only 6% of its max PCIe bandwidth and still operate at 88% of max performance:
>>52301979

the only thing super high bandwidth PCIe slots seem to be useful for currently is multi-port 40GbE adapters or similar.
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>>52302877
The laptop's not powering the eGPU you Numbskull
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>>52303578
>Gaming
>On a portable computer

>Anywhere

Don't be a dumb shit.
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>>52303822
GPUs were handled rougher by UPS and FedEx than it ever would be by your beater Honda Civic.
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>>52304618
Yeah, you have to plug it into a mains outlet, topkek!
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>>52303668
>should be enough for any gaymen

Except for any game that needs 4 cores, like any game released after 2008 for example.
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>>52304674
Isn't that how your desktop works Tim?
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>>52304701
Do games even require more that 2 cores?
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>>52304674
>this guy is going to be anywhere more than 30ft from mains at any given time
Shouldn't you be tending to your cornfields?
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>>52304709
None of them do. Games aren't really multithreaded. At best you can hope for multithreaded AI, physics, and postprocessing.
But programmers are lazy. Sometimes asynchronous single-threaded is "good enough".
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>>52301800
Wow so you have to shell out a good 800 dollars plus 800 dollars to be as powerful as a desktop. How is that a point for laptops exactly?
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>>52304709
Some do.
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>>52304730
Sometimes multithreading actually decreases the performance, especially in timing critical tasks like gaming, so you can't really blame the devs
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>>52304735
No you don't, you have to shell out 500-600 for a laptop, then an extra 200-300 for a GPU
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>>52303578
Well you can do rendering while your out and about.
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>>52301880
Thunderbolt is basically external PCI Express. This is Thunderbolt with a USB-C connector.
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Lightning 500 MBps flash drives when?
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Dan case looks the same size.
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Probably irrelevant for the usual market, since the combo of good desktop + cheap notebook is still better, but for some people I can see that replace the desktop quite literally

Have the usual stuff at home, the big screens etc and just plug everything in

Would probably be enough for the casual games like Dota, CSGO etc
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>>52304830
Even Intel HD graphics is enough for csgo or WoW
This thing will kill the need for a desktop for many
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>>52303668
the difference is You need to spend ~1500 every two years to keep up whereas somebody with a desktop would need only ~500 for new gpu and he still gets better performance.
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>>52304851
Its not 1995 anymore anon, CPUs don't progress that fast, at most we'll see 5-&% increase in performance with every new generation of CPUs
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>>52304848
What, no way you can get 144fps with Integrated Graphics
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>>52304923
In contrast to what /g/ might tell you, 60 is enough for WoW and csgo
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>>52304951
60 fps is not enough for CSGO, not even influenced by /g/ or anything
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>>52301800
This looks pretty cool.

Would consider if I wasn't a poorfag and didn't already have a desktop.
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Tablet with thunderbolt port?

Nobody in this thread thinks outside the box here...
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This is actually neat for someone who only has and wants a laptop.

I should buy this when i go off to college again
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>>52305057
Tablets don't do anything that hardware intensive yet but surely there's scope for a lot
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>>52304905
i'm talking about gpus.
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>>52302787
"Razer now tells us that the Core is actually capable of driving both the built-in and external displays simultaneously."
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>>52302497
>2TB is not enough for gaymen

Wtf dude I don't even have 500gb being used on my desktop and I have a shitton of games including GTA V which is 70GB alone.
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>>52305123
Then that's as simple as replacing a desktop's GPU. Just buy one off eBay, open up the little case and then replace the old one with the new one
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or i could just build a mini itx pc
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>>52301800
>external gpu for laptops

Just because it's technically possible doesn't mean it's not retarded and impractical.

Enjoy your cluttered desk and shitty performance, just so you can say that you saved $100 by not buying a desktop.
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>>52305057
Your mom has a Thunderbolt port and I didn't safely remove my device
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>>52301800

So what ulta-books support this? Surface Pro? Vaio Z?
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>>52306598
>>52306598
>>52306598

New /gcg/!
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I hate this port of all trades shit

Buying adapters is the stupidest shit ever. Fuck thinness. Unibody macbook pros were the thin and light enough laptops. Anything smaller is pointless.

>>52302497
My laptop has 2tb of storage

>>52302622
Socket CPUs in consumer laptops will never happen because thinness, power consumption, and planned obsolescence
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>>52304298
>using speakers instead of headphones
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>>52303834
>The idea is you keep the box at home and take the laptop out with you.
Then just buy a fucking desktop for a couple hundreds of dollars cheaper with better specs than any fucking laptop to keep at home to game on.
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>>52301800
>Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C)

What? Thunderbold is not USB-C.
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>>52303697
>soldered ram

Nigga every laptop nowadays have regular RAM sticks.
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But is it a good GPU? What's its AMD/Nvidia erquivalent?
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>the Razer Core supercharges your Ultrabook and transforms its batteries into ash, while rendering it useless in record time
Gee thanks.
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>>52301800
I don't quite get it, if you're not going to have portable gaming (that's why people want to play games on laptops, right?) why the fuck not just get a desktop?
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>>52309336
Because my gf doesn't like my desktop, she says it's too 2005.
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>>52304851
I'm not poor m8
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>>52309336
If you need laptop for mobile/work and desktop for gaming, eGPU is a logical choice.
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>>52309439
It would be cheaper to just get a low budget laptop plus a gaming PC.
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>>52303822
2 plugs. Doesn't just use a splitter/strip. Nigger pls work on that straw man. If I'm going full retard with 2+k worth of stuff I would have bought the $10 splitter / strip.
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>>52309439
Logical? A mobile device should generally be light and with a long battery life, the CPU will generally be lower power, a gaming desktop is all about performance.

The logical choice is to get a decent portable device and a desktop, so you don't compromise on either because the goals are opposite of each other.
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>>52309439
I thought the whole point of a laptop for work is to be able to bring it to different rooms without having to plug and unplug a million things which would just make it a desktop
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>>52303578
>implying gpu are only for gaymer
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>>52301800
>external gpu
>Desktopfags 0 - 1 Laptop gamers
stop being poor and stupid and buy both
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>>52301800
>Thunderbolt
lmao
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>>52301800
>>52303822


i've seen a load of retarded shit in my life, but this is another extreme.
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>>52301800
>still have to use shitty M or U CPUs or buy a 17" for mediocore HQ CPUs
:^)
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>>52301800

I love this concept, and it is a shame Sony (now just VAIO) didn't itinerate the idea of a dock like to accept upgradeable GPUs too on later VAIO Z models:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4474/sony-updates-vaio-z-thinner-lighter-light-peak-and-external-gpu

Best of both entertainment and business worlds in a sole ultralight product. I miss the old Z.
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>plug and play graphics cards
>those virtualization applications
This technology better become a standard
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Why the fuck would anyone want to use a laptop for gaymen?
The only place to play gaymes is at home, where you can get a capable mature solution like a desktop that doesn't thermal throttle or have a shit display, CPU, and RAM. Why would you tack on a million things to a machine that isn't built for the purpose of heavy 3D applications? This is marketed toward the typical clueless Razer cuck
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>>52313252
It's for people who are unable to manage two machines. The kind who save every file on desktop.
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>>52303821
still pay for monitor, gpu, keyboard, mouse. Why not just get decent desktop and cheapass netbook for notes etc?
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>>52301800
e-gpus have been around for YEARS

i used a 7770 for one on my shit laptop back in the day
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>>52301800
So if I have a Usb-c port but no thunderbolt 3 I'm unable to use it right?
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>>52304818
hell yeah brother. I have a naked PC sitting on my desk awaiting the production of this case
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>all these people missing the point
If you already have a laptop this will be much cheaper than buying a new desktop. Almost any modern laptop i3 or above will be strong enough, especially if you get one of those decently priced quad core i7 laptops.
Set your egpu up at home, use it like a gaming pc, then just unplug it and use it like a regular laptop. A gtx 960 would be great for this.

A gtx 960 is much cheaper than a new computer.
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>>52303351
When did I say it wasn't ?

This board is 18+ you know.
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>>52308862
except new thinkpads
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>>52315252
No laptops have thunderbolt 3 at this point, so you have to buy the $3000 overpriced razer laptop to make use of it, and probably and extra $400 (not counting GPU) for that GPU casing. Enjoy your savings.
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>>52316777
You can get current egpu adapters for something like 50usd iirc.
A 50 dollar egpu adapter and a 200 dollar gpu are still cheaper than a complete desktop.

Also, expect Chinese clones.
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>>52303697
>Good luck upgrading your cpu
upgrading it to what?

CPUs have been deadlocked for years, barely get any faster and barely any games use multicore
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>People still buy laptops
I have a NUC mounted to the back of an eighteen inch monitor. The monitor, NUC, power adaptors, and keyboard/mouse all fit in a laptop carrying bag quite nicely.
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