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Finally got my Elecom M-DT2DRBK today.
Fuck it's tiny - but surprisingly comfortable.
Who else on /g/ loves their mouse fedora?
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Size comparison
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Where can I buy that shit in EU?
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>>52298046
Nowhere yet
It's on Amazon, but will be shipped from Japan.
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Master race
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>>52298491
my mx570 is dying, scroll wheel & left click clattering. might buy a different trackball mouse for use while i fix the mx570.
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>>52299069
If you like thumb trackballs, you could give Elecom a try. Either M-XT3URBK (wired), or M-XT2DRBK (wireless)
It has a bit more comfortable shape (IMO) and a lot more buttons.
The ball is a bit less smooth and doesn't track as good as M570, but it's exactly the same size, so if you already have the M570, you can just swap the balls.
Just stay clear of the first version of it (it had a "1" in the name: M-XT1URBK or M-XT1DRBK - it had severe tracking issues and extremely light switches, and was generally pretty annoying, which is why they released the updated versions soon after)

Other than Elecom, you only options are either the good old M570 or Sanwa trackballs, but the old wired Sanwa is too expensive for what it offers and the new one is not very good quality.
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Literally the only acceptable trackball mouse.
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>>52299499
I remember this thing, it was fucking HUGE.
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>>52299338
never really used anything other than a thumb trackball so im not necessarily locked to them. For the Elecoms, do you know of the best place to get them in the US? ebay or amazon i guess?
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>>52299528
I'd recommend Amazon, because it's always easier to return the unit if it's faulty or something. It will be shipped from Japan either way.
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>>52299499
correct company, wrong model.
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>>52299564
Not even really sure how you would hold this thing, look terribly uncomfortable compared the one in his picture.
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>>52299629
2 fingers on the ball, ring and pinky fingers on right buttons, thumb on left buttons and scroll wheel, palm supported by the back of the device.
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>>52298491
I tried one of these and it was garbage compared to a normal mouse.
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Got this one for Christmas.
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>>52300396
Shame, you should have gone all in.
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>>52299338

2 years in with the M-XT1DRBK and I haven't had tracking issues or any issues with the switches. (I guess I'm lucky?)

>>52296429
>>52295944
But on the topic of these, I really can't stand using these for media applications (DAW, Lightworks, etc.), where a thumb trackball is infinitely more comfortable and usable. Whether it's clicking and dragging or using precision I just do it better on the thumb variant.

I am however very surprised at how small this new elecom is,

>>52298491
Complete shit m8, unit started shitting out on me when I was single clicking and it was double clicking shite, and the mouse wheel started shitting itself (5 months use btw.) Also it wasn't nearly as ergonomic as the elecom I have currently.
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I love my L-Trac. I've had Kensingtons and Logitechs but nothing is as smooth as my L-Trac is after a week or so of use. It's the closest to perfect I've found in a pointing device.

It lets you plug in two more homebrew buttons too, if you so desire. That's cool as hell. What other mice let you add whole new buttons?
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>>52298491
REAL MASTER RACE

currently have one resting below my right palm

my dad first gave me one of these when i was like 7 back in 2000, might have been a little later. i have never wanted to use any other mouse since then.
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>>52303321
Oh, and the thing is built like a tank. My Expert Mouse and Trackman Marble feel like happy meal toys in comparison. It's like the Model M of trackballs, except it's still being manufactured.
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>>52303342
i've got 2 of these and the wireless one. the wired ones both suffered click-switch problems since i used the hell out of them (gamed a lot, ut99/etc). it's actually really easy to replace the switches yourself in them. they're like 50 cents each switch, i bought enough for a few full repairs.

all the coloring has worn off the tops but they work great. do feel like i could use a larger one though, looking into >>52299499 but seeing used ones for like $45-50+ on ebay and hesitant to buy
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>>52303321
yeah, I tried it and I really like the quality, but I don't like that the ball is not exposed enough, the scroll wheel is in idiotic place and the whole thing raises my wrist too much. If they used the same technology to make a different design, it would be great.
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>tfw you are lefty....
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>>52304541
that'll teach you for being a gommunist
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>>52295944
>>52303321
I got that bad boy at the beginning of the week. I'm in love.

>>52304477
>the scroll wheel is in idiotic place
I've heard that a love but weirdly enough that doesn't bother me much. I like the way my hand rests on the thing.
I kinda thing they could make the ring that prevents the ball from falling out rotate so that it could act as a scroll wheel since I rest my thumb on the lower part of the left button, my ring finger on the upper part of the right button and I have my index and middle finger on the ball. Clawing the outer ring to get a scroll wheel going seems like a decent idea. I wonder how hard it would be to make.
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>>52304541
This one right there >>52303321 >52304603 is ambidextrous.
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any easy buyable, known brand trackballs that designed to be held in palm?
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>>52295944
Best elecom trackball
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this all looks like a load of bullshit but then again I fell for the mech keyboard meme and have no regrets...
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>>52304746
i'm new, explain?
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>>52304746
It's nice to keep your arm in place and just move your digits. Also no mousepad needed and it works on any surface.
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so hows the CS:GO / Battlefield gameplay on this?
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>>52304897
if i scroll a sideball down, does the cursor move down or right?
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>>52304919
Down as in towards you? Then down.
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>>52304943
so if i scroll "forward", it moves left?

sounds retarded
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>>52304603
>I kinda thing they could make the ring that prevents the ball from falling out rotate so that it could act as a scroll wheel since I rest my thumb on the lower part of the left button, my ring finger on the upper part of the right button and I have my index and middle finger on the ball. Clawing the outer ring to get a scroll wheel going seems like a decent idea. I wonder how hard it would be to make.
Yeah, it would probably be an optimal solution, but I'm not sure if Kensington doesn't have a patent on that - since they use it in most of their trackballs and nobody else does.
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>>52305077
Heh, maybe there's a way to do it myself then. There's a lot of space in these things. I'm not exactly sure I want to tamper with it given the price I paid for it tho.
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>>52301856
my dad used one of those ergo microsoft keyboards, and apparently didn't rate it because he bought a mech just this month
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>>52295944

I've never really extensively used these before, am I missing out?

I also use three monitors, not sure if that would affect anything.
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>>52303321
>What other mice let you add whole new buttons
Trackballs that come with four buttons out of the box instead of making you hack on the two extra buttons at your expense?
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>>52306416
>I also use three monitors, not sure if that would affect anything.
How would you use three monitors with a mouse? Wouldn't you have to keep picking up and repositioning the mouse on your desk? Trackballs don't have this problem, you can go 5x5 monitors if you want and still only need a tiny amount of desk space.
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>>52307077
or with 8 buttons like the one in OP
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>>52306416
>I also use three monitors, not sure if that would affect anything.
If you use one of the big trackballs (Kensington Slimblade, Expert, or, preferably CST), you can spin the ball and its inertia will move the cursor over a large distance.
I switched to a trackball when I went from a single 20" screen to double 27" screens
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>>52298491
I couldn't get used to it no matter how much I tried
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>>52295944
I got one of those for my gfs Christmas gift and so far it seems pretty solid.
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How hard is it to go from using a mouse to one of these? What motivates you to use these instead of a mouse? How good are they at speed and precision? For example would a professional Starcraft player have a reduction in playing ability from using these after a sufficient acclimation period?
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>>52309725
For most things (other than FPS) trackballs are much more comfortable and require less effort to use. No, they're not as fast but they're just as accurate. I find a normal mouse a pain to use at this point unless I'm playing a shooter.
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>>52296429
Are you me? Got my elecom a month ago to replace the Microsoft
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>>52309774
How cheap can you find a trackball that is comparable to say a $30 mouse?
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>>52309821
I still have 2 Microsoft explorers left (1 at work) and 2 Logitech Cordless Trackmans (1 still in original box), but they're not good enough anymore since I got a big screen so I thought I'd give the Elecom a try - the symmetric designs are far from perfect. I just wish they made it bigger - especially the ball. Maybe they'll improve it in the next version.
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>>52309910
A good entry level trackball is the Logitech M570, I got it on Amazon for $20. It feels nice and works quite well, but the switches don't last very long.
Post an example of a $30 mouse and we'll try to find an equivalent. (The apple mouse costs probably around $100 and every trackball will be more comfortable than that abomination)
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>>52310178
>Post an example of a $30 mouse and we'll try to find an equivalent.

Shit I don't know. I haven't bought a mouse in 10 years now that I think about it. It looks like you answered my question. I've never used a thumb track ball. I used a finger track ball 2 or 3 times 15 years ago. I played unreal tournament on a friend's laptop. I didn't get enough time to get used to it or compare it with a mouse. I'll get one when I build this new PC I want.
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>>52310138
Nice, I have about 5 or so Microsoft trackball explorers at my house in varying condition that were a small fortune on eBay. I opted for the elecom to see if it would be a good successor to the Microsoft, and I agree that it needs to be bigger. They do come from Japan so I can see why they're built a bit smaller, maybe they didn't expect a large demand stateside
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>>52299499
>>52299512
are there any other thumb-ball mice as large or larger than these? i've had the logitech wired ones for a good number of years and while i have no RSI at all now, i feel a small bit of pain across my knuckles. i'm fairly neet-styled now, resting my hand on the mouse for up to 20hrs a day (falling asleep with hand on mouse, using it with kb in bed).
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Is it true what they say about the balls? The bigger they are the better they feel?
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>>52311137
That's what your mom said
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>>52295944
Thumb > middle finger
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What are the pros of trackballs? Do they destroy your hand less than common mice? Is it possible to game with them?
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>>52313383
pros would be very little space needed for their use since you don't move your arm/wrist at all, can flick ball to quickly move mouse across multiple monitors, can use it on any surface (like in bed, lap, on a cat, etc)
cons would be the time it can take to get used to using your thumb or fingers to move the ball (very short if using thumb), lots of different models that all feel and are used differently (logitech, kensington, etc), few left handed options if you needed those

gaming is just fine once you're used to it, better than using a controller thumb-stick for aiming but probably not as precise as using your whole arm+wrist if you're doing some kind of twitch-shooter. it's a lot less tiring, but you just shift the load to your finger/thumb
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>>52313911
>>52313383

to add: i use a thumb-ball mouse, so gaming was much more natural since your index fingers do the same things as before. using a finger-ball would take some getting used to as your thumb now has to hit those buttons while your index (and maybe middle) finger are on the ball for precision. it'd just take a little longer to get used to the new control scheme, but you'd no doubt get just as good as before provided to keep the ball and the casters holding it up clean before gaming.

that is another big con: the casters holding the ball will get gunked up with use. you'll need to pop the ball out and scrape out the gunk with your fingernail every so often.
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>>52310536
perhaps.
But I have fairly thin hands for an european and it's still too small for me.
IMO if they made the whole device 15-20% larger and then the ball itself another 20% larger on top of that, and maybe modified the position of the right click button, it would be perfect. As it is, it's just ok. (Also, it would help if they made it heavier)
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>>52295944
I still have two in my closet, I don't normally use trackballs anymore but maybe get them out for old time's sake. I don't remember any trackball users posting here!
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>>52314188
My balls are missing!
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>>52314331
Found the ball for the Logitech, the Kensington one is still missing the ball. It can use the Logitech ball but it looks kind of weird.
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>>52295944
I'M TOO LAZY TO MOVE MY FUCKING HAND SO I WANT THIS 90'S MEME AND MOVE ONLY ONE FINGER

The Device
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>>52314128
I'm American and have fairly large hands, I completely cover the Microsoft one, I agree with you. It's the closest I've found to the Microsoft though
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my attempt at a "gamer" setup
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>>52314636
and yet you're using
>I'M TOO LAZY TO TYPE ALL MY COMMANDS SO INSTEAD I WANT TO MOVE MY HAND A BIT
>The Device
and
>I'M TOO LAZY TO PUNCH HOLES IN CARDS TO PROGRAM LIKE A REAL ENGINEER SO I WANT TO PRESS SOME BUTTONS
>The Device
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>>52314819
You just won the MOST AUTISTIC RESPONSE IN THE HISTORY OF EVER award

congrats
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>>52298491
>no bluetooth model
Fucking cunts at Logitech trying to ram their shit Unifying bluetooth knockoff down everyone's throats.
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>>52314759
The ambidextrous finger type is better for gaming because you are using multiple fingers to control the ball, and it gives you a nice variety of motions. I tried to play some old twitch shooters like Unreal Tournament and it's really fun. You can do a quick 180 by flicking the ball. If you are one of those call of duty trick shooters you can 360 no scope people easily.
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>>52314838
thank you, I'm really proud of myself
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>>52307104
>>52307130

My mouse is 1600DPI so in theory I just move my mouse 2 inches on 3x 1080p displays. Realistically I just move it about 4 inches to get from one side of the three monitors to the other side.

So no, I don't have to reposition my mouse on my desk what so ever so I don't have this problem what so ever. I don't see myself getting any more monitors so I guess I'm not really missing out at all.
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>>52316223
>I just move my mouse 2 inches on 3x 1080p displays
Can you even aim at things with that high sensitivity? Are all of your UI buttons big and fat?
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>>52314331
Interesting how the Marble Mouse and Orbit track differently. The Marble Mouse has a red ball covered in dots like most Logitech trackballs. The Orbit has different colored balls. The balls are the same size but the Logitech trackball needs that ball to track effectively. The Kensington can use any ball.
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I found the ball for the Orbit but the rubber feet came off a long time ago. I have to use an upside down mousepad just to stop it from sliding around.
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>>52299499
My brother used to paint vacant, condemned houses and this house was full of toilet paper that some crazy lady collected. He found this mouse and he was allowed to keep it. I found it to be very rough for a trackball and not easy to aim or point. He sold it for 50-60 bucks IIRC.
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>>52307077
I have that and it's not a terrible trackball, but the top left button broke during a move and the scroll wheel has always been super fiddly and inconsistent. Its bearings were bad about getting gunked up too, a problem I've not yet had with the L-Trac even after months of use.
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>>52320114
Same poster here

I used to have one of these puppies way back in 2000 or so. It worked well and I loved the color+transparency of the orb, but its cord got destroyed by our dog. I wish more trackball manufacturers used balls like the one that old Orbit used.
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>>52320211
That is the best looking trackball ever. I wish my orbit looked that awesome. The black/silver orbit is the worst one because the ball jiggles around and it is shaped awkwardly. The Logitech Marble Mouse is pretty good though.
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>>52320251
If they did a modern reboot I think it'd look good with that same blue ball, but with black/dark grey plastic.
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Anyone who tried both a Kensington with a scroll ring and any ambidextrous trackball with a scroll wheel? Which one did you like more?
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>>52300396
I use this one. Really love it. Had it for a few years now
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>>52320368
The most current Orbit with the scroll ring has a blue ball but it's opaque. It doesn't jerk around like the black/silver Orbit does and you can actually scroll pages. I had one but sold it since I was getting tired of trackballs.

>>52320729
I tried the Orbit with scroll ring and liked it. My two current ones are the older silver/black Orbit and the Logitech Marble. Those are the two cheapest trackballs you can buy new on Amazon, Best Buy, etc.
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>>52321153
The Dear Leader also likes the Marble. He might even use this very mouse to point where he wants the H-bomb to be dropped.
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>>52310350
>>52314849
Speaking of Unreal Tournament, it actually does quite well with the marble mouse. Beating UT99 bots on godlike is pretty tough.
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I know this is the trackball thread but I wanted to also introduce the possibility that this mouse might be the better option for me as I use fingertip grip.

Would this mouse be suitably accurate for that? Or would a trackball still be the better choice.
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>>52323879
its a v. good mouse go for it
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>>52323879

I'm using one right now--can't recommend it enough. Best mouse I've ever owned and I use my fingertips as well.
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>>52296429
Looks too small. Even the Logitech and Microsoft trackballs are too small compared to my Lasertrac.
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>>52316785
>Can you even aim at things with that high sensitivity?

Yes

>Are all of your UI buttons big and fat?

No, I use 100% DPI scaling on the 1080p displays. I don't really get why it's surprising.

>>52323879
I use this mouse, it's pretty good and comfy. Although I use palm grip with this and it feels great. Claw and finger tip grip works fine on this mouse. Just don't buy it for the Bluetooth because Bluetooth still sucks ass.
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>>52314331
>Touching your trackballs with semen on your hands
Disgusting.
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>>52320114
scroll wheel works fine for me. the top 2 buttons are pretty much unusable though because of where they are placed.
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>Be 23 and a professional keyboard slapper.
>Hand gets tired and hurts sometimes at work.
Should I get a trackball for work?
If so which ones are the best?
I like small mouses.
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>>52328337
The one in the OP
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