>>52268474 No one wants their shops to appear on reddit the next day. They just come here to shit on everyone and derail threads. Besides, this is /v/'s (basically reddit) tech support forum. Why make them for reddit anyway?
>>52268474 Shop a bunch of stuff every week, it's not about that. 4chan is just full of underage faggots who can't even troll for shit and need everything spoonfed. Years ago 4chan also had underage fags but they used to lurk more before posting retarded shit and kids have gradually gotten even more retarded with the years thanks to social media and other circumstances. If Hiro banned ipads and other mobile devices through useragent all the little faggots posting from school on their phones or on their tablets would fuck off.
>>52268516 >No one wants their shops to appear on reddit the next day This. Made an OC image for a thread and soon enough it was on leddit. I still come up with some cool concepts but never realize/post them because of this.
This. Internet isn't the exclusive (and by exclusive I mean frowned upon) place where you go if you have "no friends" despite of the fact that you, indeed, have friends on the internet. Social media is what killed the internet and eventually 4chan too.
Deep web and various deep web boards are the next frontier for people who wanna be in the koolkidsklub. For us who were here from the start to this day there isn't anything left. Only normies and fags.
Having something as a hobby for 15 years is a really long time.
Too many normalfags, too many ghetto wannabes forcing unfunny Twitter memes, too many """""femanons""""", too many people who take everything seriously and can't take it easy (I'm looking at you, /pol/), too many people who want 4chan to stray from its Japanese-inspired origins.
All in all, too many people are here who don't belong here.
>>52268426 It's not just 4chan, it's the whole Internet. But to address your question:
1. 4chan becoming redditized with boards and board communities that act separately instead of as 1 piece of a larger pie.
2. A lack of people with backbones and good ideas.
3. Trolls trolling trolls, a house divided cannot stand etc.
4. Too many legitimately stupid/deluded people.
5. Too many overly serious people.
4chan and the rest of the Internet will likely fail for the same reason modern democracies are more akin to a corporatocracy, lazy uninformed content people who won't start caring until they've voted all of their freedoms away. In my opinion 4chan is too far gone to comeback, the people with any power don't care and the few users who do are just a drop in the ocean of idiotic consumers.(another good homage to our failed governments around the world, 1 informed vote in an ocean of uninformed votes.)
Also it's not simply that I think the moderation/higher-ups don't care as much as I've noticed them actively working against "problematic" aspects of 4chan which is why I have no doubts it will continue tumbling down.
>>52268882 >and unironic retards invaded. Remember that ironic shitposting is still shitposting. If you've ever been "retarded" in 4chan or ever been a shitposter, you have personally helped bring in new friends. This is the 4chan you chose.
>>52268426 This site got infested with reddit. People here have jobs and girlfriends and enjoy being wage slaves. 4chan was once a site for proud NEETs who laughed at the wage slaves with jobs and people who worked. If you have a job of any kind, you belong on reddit.
>>52269071 >People here have jobs and girlfriends Nigga there's always been people with jobs here, people telling stories about their jobs have always been a recurring theme for threads, i think you're the fucking newfag.
>>52268992 This. Remember when the internet was prominently computer based users that had an incentive to browse the internet. With the growth of mobile-based internet users, their is no doubt that people have easier access to browse it thus causing the shit posters to shit post on a Japanese image board or teenage girls bitching on social media about how they can't handle their emotions or promoting a expensive fucking coffee corporation.
The real question should be: "where is the internet headed /g/."
>>52269170 I was just stating a fact, you're probably a shill trying to take away from what I said with a baseless accusation which also serves to direct the conversation to a pointless argument you control.
>>52269195 I still see it often enough and jesus do they come out in full force when they do. It's honestly quite concerning when you witness it happening especially how many people just don't notice themselves walking right into whatever situation the shill has framed.
Because people spout buzzwords they heard on /r9k/ like normie, wagecuck, NEET, etc. etc. And if you say anything against it the first thing you'll hear is something along the lines of "Go back to Reddit".
People say 4chan was never good, but it's never been as terrible as this.
>>52269280 This all started around 2007/08 when Dumblr came about and Kikebook started gaining traction. It collided with other factors like everyone having a smartphone with internet access, Digg dying and Reddit coming about, then 4chan trying to do epic raids and bringing lots of attention to it (chanology in 2010 being the most infamous), 4chan moderation going full nazi (I still remember /v/ being /b/ 1.5, half of the threads were vidya, a quarter was porn and the rest random garbage, it moved incredibly fast too), posting timers, captchas and so on.
These things all ruined this website, it wasn't just one thing but lots of factors coming together.
As for the internet as a whole, concentration and monetization happened. MS, Google, Facebook, Amazon, Yahoo own most of the western internetosphere and the websites most normalfags visit on a daily basis. It's no longer the wild west it was for the people that grew with it in the late 90s/early 2000s. If you don't make money you do not exist.
>>52268426 I migrated to a few smaller chans and it's great. There's actually good posts and OC, mods actually post, and the tripfags aren't annoying. I'm having a great time, it's like rediscovering 4chan all over again. I just check in with /g/ time to time to see what you guys are up to.
I think the key is smaller communities. Eventually you reach this critical mass of shitposters/trolls/normies and your community rots.
>>52269966 4chan always dealt with /pol/'s themes from its inception (muh soggy knees, misandry, jews etc) except it was far more diluded among /b/, /v/ and /n/.
I actually like /pol/. They have some funny threads from time to time if you're into (geo)politics but if you want my opinion 4chan should never have added all those relationshit/normalfag boards like /soc/ or political boards like /n/ or later /pol/. It should have stayed a 100% weeaboo imageboard with certain interest boards.
>>52269559 Pretty much this, people using epic me me's to avoid having to actually discuss something. The trend of calling people shills/reddit/tumblr/cuck/whatever has gotten a lot worse, back in the day it was just nigger, but if someone was giving an at least somewhat valid response you wouldn't get called a nigger unless it was over the top/fucking retarded. I think the idea of shills is so scary to people that people are overreacting. I also think a lot of people just say things in a typical "shillpost" type of way to drum up drama and further the meme that people get paid to shitpost.
I almost miss cross-board raids, too, because they provided something new and mold-breaking. I also think moderation has taken a slide, but I only have really witnessed this on /x/, which, lets be honest, is the worst board and has been constantly a "why hasn't this been deleted yet" type of thing. I also know that on a few boards there's some degree of bias towards certain posts by moderators that aren't in line with what the majority of the board desires, which has only really become noticable for me recently.
It also really doesn't help that jamoot is adding loads of new boards that are poorly implemented rather than purdging things.
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>>52270087 I actually thought this was the "OS X" shill version. But anyways, its fucking annoying seeing such threads reposted every fucking day.. and worst thing of all, some idiots even reply to this shit.
Doesn't mean shit if people don't know what they're talking about.
You can find multi-paragraph responses on fucking anime and philosophy forums. Doesn't mean the content is any good. You can argue with someone about religion for pages and pages on end and you've contributed nothing of value.
>>52270233 The problem is alternative english chans don't really survive that long (nobody likes talking to a wall). 7 and 420 for example used to be exactly what you are saying but nowadays over half of the boards are dead.
You've got it backwards. The people who made this place 'fun' at the onset have grow-up and moved forward, or at least curtailed their visits to this site.
In my opinion the opposite of your theory has happened. The left-over NEETs who were/are unfunny+ugly+unemployable and onset of 'leddit' teens who are too edgy for that website have turned this place to unfunny meme haven/leddit lite pile of garbage.
>>52269280 I remember how we were shown at school experiments how a police officer managed to track down a girl simply by talking to her on messenger pretending to be some guy and asking random questions like "oh you're a basketball player? What is your number" etc... and warning us all that even the simple details can reveal a lot about us.
Nowadays I remember talking to someone of fb messenger and the app had enabled by default GPS and if you clicked the message it showed the exact position on a map where it was sent from. Are you fucking serious?
>>52271202 Me and a friend were looking for gif remixes like shoop da whoop or this is sparta in computer class like back in 2008 and we found /gif/, had to close that shit quick cause the teacher almost saw all the porn gifs. From there i went on to /a/ which i would've found sooner or later, never set foot on /b/ until years later unlike what most people have always said about newfags and /b/ootcamp.
>>52270340 That's why you find a tech-centric chan.
>>52270509 You gotta go with the flow anon. People migrate between communities. Doing the majority of your posting on 4chan is like a member of the Reddit crowd doing the majority of their posting on Digg. Be active, follow trends, check out new places. Make some friends that you talk to out-of-band, stick together when you move communities.
4chan isn't fun anymore because we all grew up with it. Everything we loved about the site then has now gone mainstream and been monetized, to the point where even normies want nothing to do with it. Plus, a lot of us are on here constantly, making it feel less special by overstaying the experience. For me, part of the novelty of 4chan was rushing home after school/uni classes to go on it. Now that some of us are not in school anymore, that novelty has worn off.
Everyone says this that 4chan is shit but where are the good websites. Reddit is so fucking bad, I mean there are some good subreddits like /r/ headphones but thats it. 2*4 chan is alright for /v/ I guess, but I don't even play that many games anymore.
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