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Can someone explain why do people still buy Apple products when you can get so much more for your money?! I heard the hold up over time
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better build quality and support. also brand recognition, so you look cool among your peers. that's about it, osx is trash.
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>>52249054

Some people aren't on a budget. Also, use one for a while and they seriously grown on you. OSX is fast and smooth, and the hardware is well optimized to run it. Obviously it's not for young people who play games, but for both professional, and basic computer users its is great hardware, and it is defiantly very well built and sturdy.

If you have a chance to use one for any length of time do it, and you will understand why they are popular.
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>>52249134
i had to use osx for three years (design work) and i still think it's ass. both linux as well as windows are superior, osx brings nothing to the table other than a fancy default ui.
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- you can't actually get much more for your money for laptops. comparable (in build quality, size, weight, specs) windows laptops are just as expensive and usually worse in build quality

- the laptops tend to break less often than other brands, and getting warranty service is easy

- resale value is high. you can upgrade and offset the cost of a new one by selling the old one if you take care of it
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>>52249155
Then its not for you. What's so hard to understand?
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>>52249054
Best touchpads in the game!
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>>52249176
also this - the very best touchpads on competitors laptops are still nowhere near as good as the 2015 MBP
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>>52249167
you just said i would understand why it's so popular after using it for a while. i still don't.
it's overpriced hardware that comes with walled garden software. it is objectively restricting and therefor awful for any power user.
i guess if you only use facebook and youtube it's great
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>>52249183
I'm surprised Windows machines haven't caught up to the standard set by Apple's touchpads by now. It's key to great navigation, but it's also Windows software which isn't optimised for low power devices.
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>>52249229
they're all seemingly still stuck in the specs race while very few focus on making the user experience nice - this is why they get beaten by apple in the hardware department

the result is that windows laptops tend to be way better on paper than in the real world

i'm surprised how many /g/ users play into the specs race still considering how much /g/ tends to care about peripherals that make computing a nice experience (mechanical keyboards, good mice, etc)
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>>52249155
Personally I'd rather use OS X over linux.
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>>52249313
to be clear, macbooks used to be a pretty bad value compared with windows laptops, but in the past couple of years, the value between the best windows laptops and macbooks has really balanced out with macbooks retaining the edge in build quality, user experience, and service (touchpad, build quality, etc)

-posted from my Dell XPS 13 :^)
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Because I'm already in too deep and don't feel like migrating, and why would I? I've had not problems whatsoever because one logic board failure, which they replaced for free. Maybe it's because all my experience with PC's is with Dell and IBM, but I was never happy with the durability.
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The trackpad is way better than any windows laptop I've ever tested.

I'm not a fan of Microsoft software in general, their interfaces are too convoluted and bloated. Its like they don't have any concept at all and just keep cluttering stuff together, I hate that.

My workflow (mainly my software projects) became rather dependent on Unix tools, which just doesn't work really well on Windows.

I've been using a Macbook for years, and I've always been satisfied in any point thats important to me. There's nothing I can really gain from switch back to regular laptops, in the best case its a comparable device thats something like 150€ cheaper, in the worst case I'll have to do the effort of switching to Windows just to discover that I hate using the laptop or I discover that there are some hidden issues that wouldn't occur with a Mac.
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>>52249054
OSX is literally linux with application support. I think the file system is worse than most linux setups, but I'll take it for application support.
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>>52249054
>when you can get so much more for your money
like?

notwithstanding the OS, name one new Laptop with all the same or better specs for the same or a lower price
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>>52249192
>it grows on you, try it and you'll agree with me!
>I tried it for three years, it sucks
>it's not for you, what's so hard to understand?

Applefag pls go and stay go
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>>52249054
Well accessibility is one of the things. The average consumer just wants something that works.
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>>52249946
which generation of the i5 is it? this is very important, 'i5' tells me nothing
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>>52249155
>Design work
Then theres no difference. As a developer who doesn't develop for Windows, OS X is the best platform for someone who still wants a normal computer made for human beings.
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>>52249990
Broadwell i5-5257U
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>>52249946
>>52250039
http://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-GL752VW-17-3-Inch-Notebook-Grey/dp/B015OG3SAS/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1452010726&sr=1-1&keywords=laptop
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>>52249155
Windows is straight garbage that doesn't play nice with anything else.
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>>52250075
>17.3" desktop replacement as compared to 13.3" ultrabook

try again
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>>52249081
Have you ever been to a lecture hall? It's a sea of Macs. Having a Mac is the norm in the consumer market.
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>>52250075
worse screen, worse SSD, fuck huge

next one please
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>>52250075
Nice 2 hour battery life.
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>>52249054
>++2015
>using macbooks
>when used thinkpads exist
ISHYGDDT
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>>52249192
>thinking multiple people are the same

Stay classy
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>>52250201
>using another autists spooge covered laptop
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>>52250075
>>52250093
>>52250113
>>52250115
PC Fag status:
Blown.
The.
Fuck.
Out.
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>>52249932
No, OS X windowing system is garbage. Switching between windows in one application, for example is unnecessarily painful.
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>>52251899
Then install a different window manager. Don't blame the operating system because you are too retarded to use it correctly.
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>>52249054
>I heard the hold up over time

>Can someone explain why do people still

Dude where are you from, Estonia?

Anyway, they offer the best build quality and performance for their price. Yes you can get some shitty craptop like an HP Pavilion or (unfortunately) the new Thinkpads, but portable Apple electronics have always been the best.
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>>52249134
>defiantly very well built

I dropped my MBP on the floor once. It put its hands out, pushed itself back up, and flipped back into my hands.
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>>52249229
My Asus touchpad is not far away from the Apple experience by much, I tried them both and I also gave my macbook using friend a go at my laptop's touchpad. We both agreed they're both bretty gud.

I'd love a macbook but I think I'd miss the touch screen.
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>>52252042

Now that is defiant!
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I use apple products since 1985 and I still love them
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>>52251956
For that amount of money I shouldn't have to deal with finding a windowing manager that isn't designed by retards.

OS X makes people less productive and poorer.
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>>52249081
>os x
Tell me how WIndows is any better. If you're talking about gaymes then you know where to fuck off
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>you can get so much more for your money
Sure, kid, get that creaking Acer with Windows so you can play your vidya.
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>>52254473
solidworks
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>>52255252
>solidworks
Runs beautifully on my Mac.
Is that the only software you know how to use?
Reminds me of the time when Real Men wrote letters in Excel. Now they write the letters in Powerpoint.
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>>52249946

http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-15-9550-laptop/pd?oc=dncwx1630h&model_id=xps-15-9550-laptop

Appelfegs:
BLOWN
THE
FUCK
OUT
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Holy shit the amount of shilling ITT
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>>52249134
>OSX is fast and smooth

ITT mactoddlers whose only experience on non-mac's is daddy's Pentium III.
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>>52250112
Maybe if you're studying art or some other retarded thing
>>52254473
>>52255645
Fuck off, retard
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>>52249176
>>52249183
>>52249229
>>52249313
>thinking that the applel touchpad is good
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>>52256011
>> Dell
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>>52256529
>apple
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Why not just buy Apple and install Windows? That's what my GF did and all her friends are asking her how she did it and she's helping them all get Windows 10.
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>>52249081
>hating on OS X
Homophobe!
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>>52256569
topkek
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>>52256569
Because apple hardware fucking sucks. And no, I really don't want to read how your retarded fuckfriend installed a botnet on computers
>>52256593
>>>/trash/
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>>52256569
>applel
>only choices are 1366x768 TN or a 6lb 800mhz throttling overheating brick
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ITT: retarded shilling
Protip: nobody here cares about your cancerous hardware
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>>52256529
BLOWN
THE
FUCK
OUT
AND
CANT
HANDLE
IT
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>>52256011
>Big chunky chassis
>1080p screen
>Loldell
>that price
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>>52256706
>>Big chunky chassis
Retard
>>1080p screen
No it's not
>>Loldell
Nice argument
>>that price
Shouldnt be a problem for a retarded macfag
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>>52256706
>infinity display
>barley bigger then the 13 inch MBP
>quad-core
>512 gigglebytes of PCIe storage
>smaller chassis than the MBP
>cheaper then the MBP 13 inch
> GTX960m

BLOWN
THE
FUCK
OUT
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If macbooks are so good, why can't any applel shill EVER name a single macbook that isn't a 1366x768 TN piece of shit or a 6lb 800mhz throttling overheating brick?
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Macs tend to have excellent touchpads, battery life, and charging ports (I love how they magnetically snap off!)
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>>52256807
Forgot pic.
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>>52256831
>excellent touchpads
>impossible to click near upper edge >extremely loose near bottom edge
>overall flimsy diving board piece of shit
>even applel themselves has admitted it's utter shit now and has trashed the design to go back to copying 90's era laptops with solid non-click touchpads
>still has no real buttons
>best anything
>mactards will defend all of this
>this is how brain dead mactards are
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>>52256831
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>>52256807
>>52256833
/thread
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>>52256569
I think most people buy apple not for the hardware but more for the UNIX environment since Windows is a massive clusterfuck

captcha: 420
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>>52257010
>UNIX environment
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I get more work done on OSX, simple as.
I am a web developer and OSX has been surprisingly flexible and easy to customise for me.

Especially the launcher software Alfred, a little textbox you can trigger at any point by pressing ALT + Space through which you can launch scripts and pass arguments into them through keywords, download other people scripts, run web searches and launch or switch to programs through. It has sped up my workflow by a shit ton, and windows flat out does not have anything like it. Linux might, but I'll talk about that below.

On top of that, its the closest I can get to Unix terminal without using Linux, which I can't, because I am sorry but Linux is not used for fuck all in my industry, at least where I am living and the area of it I am in.

Could not imagine working in windows anymore, could easily work in Linux if there were just a few pieces of software available on it that I use daily.

TL;DR
>Windows is a shit
>OSX is gr8
>So is Linux
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>52256884
>impossible to click near upper edge >extremely loose near bottom edge
The force touch trackpads click perfect and equally even exactly at the edge.
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>>52257070
Nobody cares, shit eater.
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>>52257084
Welcome to the 90's Apple. We were expecting you to copy us much sooner.
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>>52257135
Really? Have you used a non-apple trackpad these days? They're shit, stop shilling.
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>>52257182
>diving board shit or no buttons shit
Have you used a Apple trackpad these days? They're shit, stop shilling.
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>>52257217
You haven't used them, you wouldn't be bitching like a Chinkpad fanboi if you had.
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why is every argument against apple computers just to say fuck off retard?
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>>52257344
Because they're butthurt chinkpad fanbois. They can't explain their position because it's religion instead of facts.
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>>52257091
Typical cunt, don't make an argument or respect anyone's opinion. Just get angry, call names, and fling shit like a fucking 6 year old who wasn't allowed to get ride the train in the mall.
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>>52257408
>Because they're butthurt chinkpad fanbois. They can't explain their position because it's religion instead of facts.
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>>52257444
>get a ride on the train
>grammar is hard
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>>52257408
You are a nigger faggot pig fucker pedophile mac book licking piece of shit. Apple shit is proprietary whiles anything else you can customize it however the fuck you want
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>>52257466
You just proved my point. >>52257444
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>>52249192
What does it restrict you from doing except ricing your desktop?
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>>52257486
Wanna go apple you apple raping nigger?
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>>52257509
You clearly don't write software or do anything generally productive then.

If you do then you're just not using the right tools.
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>>52256807
>>52256833
>zero macbooks meet these simple as fuck requirements that even acer shit passes

lmao
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>>52257587
I write to niggers on my software
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>>52249054
plebs want something that just werks even if it cost them more
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>>52257659
I was there and I was jerking off to the giant explosion and screaming of the innocent souls that were flying out of the windows
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>>52249054
I have an rMBP that work gave me
I think I'm too stupid for this shit

>hard as fuck to make a shortcut
>can't use ctrl-c + ctrl-v for files
>can't PRINT SELECTION in Safari among everything other than Firefox (which halves the battery life)
>Finder is fuckin horrible, Spotlight is good
>close doesn't close
>maximize doesn't maximize
>menu bar is fuckin horrible
>Windows management is absolutely fucking attrocious, slightly better with spectacle
>built in apps (other than Photos, iMovie and Garageband I guess) have almost 0 functionality
>Get's hot as fucking balls doing anything processor intensive
>IRIS graphics are worse than a fuckin $20 nvidia gpu
>delete doesn't delete
>no home/scrolling keys

I have tons of complaints

But I didn't pay for it, so, meh.

>dat screen doe
>dat font rendering
>dose speakers
>dat build quality
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>>52256011
nice, but still has worse screen (1080p vs 1600p)

(and to be fair it's 15" and thus has far more space for CPU and battery)
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>>52258061
If you really wanted too you could upgrade to the 4k memescreen
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>>52257894
>hard as fuck to make a shortcut
what do you mean by shortcut?

>can't use ctrl-c + ctrl-v for files
you can. or are you confused because it's cmd and not ctrl?

>can't PRINT SELECTION in Safari among everything other than Firefox (which halves the battery life)
fair enough

>Finder is fuckin horrible, Spotlight is good
agree. Explorer is worlds ahead of Finder. BUUUT file management using terminal is in some cases even better imo

>close doesn't close
>maximize doesn't maximize
>menu bar is fuckin horrible
fair enough

>Windows management is absolutely fucking attrocious, slightly better with spectacle
signed

>built in apps (other than Photos, iMovie and Garageband I guess) have almost 0 functionality
Mail, Notes, Reminders and Calendars are pretty good imo, iWorks (or whatever it's called now) is shit, I don't use the rest

>Get's hot as fucking balls doing anything processor intensive
works on my machine(TM)

>IRIS graphics are worse than a fuckin $20 nvidia gpu
well what can you do

>delete doesn't delete
it doesn't even have a delete button lol

>no home/scrolling keys
ok
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>>52256011
>15"
nice try

I could post a Desktop that is literally twice as good for half the price now, but those are different requirements

I wonder why you didn't post the £1,400 XPS 13. It's (almost) the same price and has better specs through and through.
>slightly better resolution (3200*1800 vs. 2560*1600)
>bigger SSD (512GB vs 256GB)
>better CPU (skylake i7 vs. broadwell i5)
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>>52258238
You're supposed to subtract 2" from all XPS when comparing them to macshit and their massive bezels.
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>>52258138
reddit pls go
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>>52258238
>>15"
>nice try

Infinity Display, fucker.

Bigger screen without the size difference (R)

Try again because you were BTFO, again.
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>>52256419
>implying the sciences don't have a shit ton of macs
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>>52258849
PR departments don't count.
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>>52249176
best trackpad software*
the trackpads are just ok, but it's the software in mac os that makes it good
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>>52259159
>faps about muh applel gestures
>unable to learn synaptics gestures
kek
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macs are just better
even trump uses a mac
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>>52256833
thank you for solid inrefutable proof as to why apple is overpriced junk.

thank you /g/ for telling the truth about computing.
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>>52249163
True, have mine since 3 years and lost 20% in value. Which other brand does that.
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>>52259787
>not buying electronics and keeping them
>macfags are so poor they need their mac to be a liquid asset that can be sold to tyrone at the drop of a hat when they lose their mcjob and cant make rent

lmao
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>>52259518
well meme'd
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>>52259831
I don't know about you but I pay all my stuff straight cash, but it's nice to have the option to sell my Mac for more than 5 cents.
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>>52260000
Nice numbers
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>>52260028
>Nice numbers
Lack of numbers
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good battery life...

on the funny/awful side an apple genius told me they can idle at 200 degrees celsius with no issues, because they're built to max out around 400c. this was after bringing in my defective mbp for a replacement, didn't get the replacement(was denied because the genius said it was fine), did hit the highest score on some random site for temperatures though.

solution? removed the battery, throttles the cpu. so have to use my mbp with a cord.
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>>52260229
Most likely cant enter its full power state because the wall wart cant supply it without the battery
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>>52260308
don't know, don't care. it's the only the way to keep the temperature idling at 90-95c(nothing running except the os.) anything running causes it to stay at around 110c, rarely 115c(this is while throttled.)
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>>52260342
>90-95c
That will fry the chip after awhile, are you sure that is correct? no way in hell it should idle ANYWHERE close to that
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>>52260378
therefore the problem. the throttling downclocks it to about 40% of the speed it should get, undervolts it, etc etc.

yes it's the real temperature. took it apart and applied thermal paste to get it to drop to those numbers as well, i forget the pre-thermal paste numbers(bad batch i guess, they smeared the shit out of the thermal paste originally.)
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>>52260400
Sweet Jesus... what year and what kind of macbook is it? No Intel chip is rated for temps that high, the silicon starts to breakdown.
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additional issues were the logic board failed/replaced, gpu died/replaced while under warranty.

but the fucking temperatures actually caused the screen to come undone around the edges(made the mistake of using it primarily in clamshell mode since i couldn't be mobile with it.)
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>>52256807
>>52256833
I can crank my cpu up to 100% on my macbook using sysbench or doing actual analytics and it holds at its 3.2ghz turbo speed.

Ran sysbench for about 2 hours straight yesterday while the office heat was broken.
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>>52260437
late 2007 mbp. before the unibody. it still runs. still have the paperwork.

originally they claimed the temperatures were the result of water damage(as indicated byt he water sensors) but water sensors weren't added until the next model, when i told them that they sent it away to the local plant/factory whatever it was called and said no dice, that "everything is ok." that was about 1 year in applecare, even though i had extended it to 3.
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>>52260485
2007 jeeze, either a conroe or penryn chip with nVodia GFX

Was that the year that nVidia had those faulty chips that were causing Macbooks to almost catch fire?
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>>52260558
with the mbp's, the nvidia gpus were causing a ridiculous amount of artifacting until it eventually stopped working. not sure what the exact issue was, i forget. took them almost a year to finally recognize the issue though. the logic boards were failing within weeks of being bought.

ffs i still have my settlement from the class action suit against the original ipod classic, like $3 - i never cashed it. can't trust those fuckers. both were gifts so i can't complain too much.
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>>52256884
What about force touch trackpads? I have one and it's fucking great.
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So I have a pretty basic mid 2012 macbook pro.

All I really do is use it for music and porn, is the retina display going to make my experience that much better?
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>>52257070

A million times this. I've gotten more done on OSX than I ever have on Windows. Sorry /g/ but Windows really does suck.

That said, I still use a Win 10 HTPC and love it! As long as you get rid of all the bullshit and careful not to install anything but Steam and Firefox, and VLC, Windows is fairly useful. But I would never use it for anything else.
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