Will the majority of Windows users be on 7 for a long time?
Or will there be a large migration to a new OS the same way there was from XP to 7?
you are a fucking moron. it's par for the course for a BETA build. They are trying to fix bugs. It's just like using Firefox Nightly without turning on health report and submitting crash reports. Please be ignorant somewhere else.
Depends on how 10 turns out.
Win 8 is pretty much identical once you turn off the charms bar and start menu horseshit.
The real turn-off was the (failed) attempt at lock-in for their little app store.
Nobody seems to understand that they cant fucking improve it if the cant see whats wrong. Part of seing whats wrong is knowing what people were doing when it went wrong.
i use windows 8.1 its fine if you just dont use some of the shitty things they added (charms, new start menu shit) which i dont and didnt use the previous versions of them anyway so
if 10 looks good i'll upgrade (if it doesnt cost a retarded amount)
Home users, mostly gamers, will switch to Windows 10 pretty quickly.
Normal home users aren't even using desktop PCs anymore.
Businesses are still struggling to migrate from XP to Windows 7.
So, MS needs to record even my webcam, my voice and a shitton of other things just to improve its software?
How did they improve XP and older OSes before when this was actually forbidden?
yeah, the only reason xp is so huge is because it was released at that crucial time where computers really started to become pervasive in buisness, especially amongst smaller companies, peopel running their own buiisness and so on. everyone has software that werks for it and upgrading is too costly, or difficult, even today.
7 is good, but it doesn't have that same sort of market share that xp has. we probably won't see a mass adoption of an OS for buisnesses like we did with xp, likely people companies and such will upgrade slowly/sporadically. some might have 7 already, or have just upgraded to 8.1 or are holding out to work with 10 instead.
personally I have 7 and I given what I do on my computer (internet, music, downloading, and other media, no games or anything hardware intensive) I won't ever need to upgrade until I buy a whole new computer in however many years it is till my current one shits itself. then I'll just get whatever is out at that time. the only people who will actually upgrade windows for no reason but to have the latest OS are enthusiasts. it's too expensive otherwise.
>Use Windows 7 for long time
>Listen to /g/, install Linux
>Every distro is shit, bugs, laggy, unfinished betas
>Feels like a bastard child of XP that was left to rot
>Remove Linux, go back to Windows
Never again. It pisses me off that the only decent looking distro eOS takes years to release a new version. Freya was beta long before 14.04 LTS was announced, we are on 14.10 now. This is why I hate open source.
Just in the preview. Tape over webcam. Disable mic. Don't do anything you wouldn't want people knowing about.
And when the full version comes around i bet all that shit is gone.
other companies have picked up the slack for XP and it's easier to just pay a monthly subscription to get updates and patches than to retool your entire network.
I work for the government and we use a country wide private network using xp and it is a fucking nightmare. that thing is slow as shit but to update it to the newest os would be a massive and highly expensive undertaking, it's easier to just have your employees wait 5 minutes to open an email instead....
>buy new webcam, put tape over it
>pay for computer that comes with mic, disable it
>censor yourself while using your computer
this is your freedom when not using free software. install gentoo.
The majority of Windows users will use whatever comes with their computer or whatever the service center will install when they break it.
Personally I'm never using anything past 7, if it becomes too outdated I might switch to Linux full time.
Actually I am using Windows for a decade now, I like to fuck around and try new software and systems. First order of business is to wipe the OEM bundle of crap and install my own proper OS.
Only Alienware noobs stay with stock software.
8.1 is great provided you get the official drivers. My laptop was designed for 8 not 8.1. Till today there is no bluetooth and graphics driver, I am using one from another HP model with similar specs.
Pretty fucked, this is where Linux shines, it has drivers for everything on first install.
I'm not going to use something that's going to want me to connect my Microsoft Account™ and VISA card™ to purchase things on the AppStore™ so that by hitting the start menu, I instead get the StartScreen™ that was obviously made for tablets.
>drivers for everything on install
you've apparently never installed linux on brand new hardware. also if you had drivers for 8 it should work in 8.1 as it's just a service pack. what the fuck did you do to fuck it up?
So you don't like change and you don't want a convenient way to get apps? Why don't you want an MS account anyway? You need one for MS support.
>what the fuck did you do to fuck it up?
Don't blame them or call them names. That's what L00nix fags do. He's probably just afraid to get tech support because of his NSA paranoia.
Like what, I have tried Linux on many different hardware, only AMD/Nvidia drivers I had to install separately.
HP support is the worst. They stopped offering new drivers after 2012 for my model, now I am stuck with 7 for life.
I am a Windows user, I dual boot sometimes. As for tech support, I am not retarded, using computers for 20 years now shitlord. Backporting drivers or using alternate ones can give fucked up results.
>AMD/Nvidia drivers I had to install separately.
Exactly my point.
>Backporting drivers or using alternate ones can give fucked up results.
Hence the need for you to upgrade to 8.1.
Stay mad freetard.
From a business perspective, i've used windows 7 since it came out. It is stable and reliable. There is no way on earth we would have changed over to 8 with all it's metro satanism.
Windows 10 looks pretty good. I loaded the preview and was impressed with it. Its not heavy on resources, it's stable and keeps some of the functions that made 8 easy to set up.
In my view, 10 is a winner - but. Windows 7 does the job. There is no way I'm going to approve a mass change of OS (and all the cost) when windows 7 does the job already.
Windows 7/8 install on a recent HP laptop/desktop gives you 5-7 unknown devices with no clue as to what they are, hence finding drivers is a challenge. Also Windows update only offers generic drivers for few of them, rest you need to hunt yourself.
You don't know the pain of being a Windows user, but I have to because MUH GAMES
>Windows 7/8 install on a recent HP laptop/desktop
The fact that you had to install Windows 7 on this laptop tells me that it is at least 6 or 7 years old, which means that it is not recent at all.
>finding a driver is a challenge
Not quite. Its easy if you can navigate to device manager and copy/paste dev/vendor id from it to search engine of your choice
Usually answer is on the first page or first few links.
I know that, but what happens when the manufacturer does not release an updated driver for a newer OS? My brothers laptop was bought in early 2014, still does not have 8.1 drivers available from manufacturer. Even Dell has the same problem.
>HP laptops have the option of getting FreeDOS instead of a pre-installed OS, it costs less.
So you're some kind of Europoor then? They have to have an OS to purchase them. If you were an American, you would have just used the HP BIOS to install Windows.
What you're telling me is that you bought a laptop from less than 7 years ago and you screwed up the Windows installation, which is understandable. Installing operating systems is not easy, but Microsoft offers support and instructions to help you do this. MS also goes out of its way to have its OS preinstalled on machines so that things like this do not happen.
Since the other 99% of people who buy HP laptops have preinstalled Windows that works with everything on the laptop, including its drivers, that means that it is not a problem with Windows, but it is in fact a problem with your installation process.
Next time buy it preinstalled if you don't want the hassle.
What he means is that 95 was a complete change from 3.11, everything from UI to how the system worked was changed.
Since then, its all been the same. MS simply releases a new Desktop theme with some new icons and calls it the next Windows release.
They should have stopped at XP and waited till they could come up with another game changer.
Fuck Vista, Fuck 7, Fuck 8 and Fuck 10. They are all clones of each other with no visible change in performance or user experience.
I find more innovation in OSX.
So you're saying that there's more to choosing an OS than muh innovation? Thanks for clearing that up, anonymous!
yeah I always wanted a phone interface for my workstation
i dunno, the metro apps actually had proper DPI scaling, new task manager was nice, copy/file transfer dialog was greatly updated. There were a lot of little features that were improved.
I work for a company who bought all new PCs and just imaged the old HDDs and put everything on the new PCs. So we're all using these new PCs running the same installation of WinXP from like 2003.
They're slowly rolling out Win7, but I'm pretty sure they're just taking the individual PCs and running the upgrade installation. It takes like 10 minutes to log in and log out, and opening simple programs takes fucking forever.
Those are minor changes, they could be implemented with a service pack. When your release a new OS, there are expectations for a complete makeover and something new.
Not repackaging the older one with new eye candy, that is so fucking jewish.
including the metro runtime is a large change. that is what microsoft wants to have everyone running eventually. i'd say that demands a new OS release. 8.1 was a service pack to 8 though.
8.1 was a desperate attempt to win back users who were abandoning windows due to the start button issue, to me it was not that big of a deal.
I was more disappointed by the pathetic attempt of repackaging 7 and simply removing aero glass to give the illusion of a new OS.
My company's main management software developed in FUCKING 2009 was only officially supported in IE6. They cut XP out of the intranet like a couple of months ago and there were still people crying like little bitches because they didn't want to upgrade to 7 so you get the picture. 7 is not going anywhere, people is not going to upgrade to 10 just because. Massive migration to 7 in the consumer environment only happened because it wasn't as shit as Vista and allowed more than 3.5GB of RAM withouth breaking software and driver compatibility like XP64.
>My company's main management software developed in FUCKING 2009 was only officially supported in IE6.
Christ in heaven.
I'm not aware of them doing a public beta on this scale. You can be certain they closely monitor all the testing they do, this is just the first time they really put it out in the wild.
windows 7 will be arounc atleast another 10 years just like windows xp. there are airport terminals still running on windows 1998
W10 is looking like a solid upgrade for everyone who uses Windows and is capable of installing a new OS.
Everyone else will be stuck on W7 until they buy a new computer that ships with W10. But at least they won't be avoiding it like the plague this time because of people slamming it like Vista and W8.
What the fuck are you talking about? Windows has changed shitload under the hood since 95. Or do you mean to tell my the W7 I'm running currently is in fact still a reskin for DOS.
I upgraded to windows 8 once, It was fine until I tried to root my phone. The programs wouldn't work on it so I went back to 7.
I understand mine is an extreme case, but that's why I don't use 8.
I never upgraded. I bought 8.1 because it was cheaper than 7 when I built my new PC, and why would I buy an OS that's losing support in a few months when 8.1 is superior in every way.
I just run whatever and adjust it to my preferences because using any OS is fucking simple. I don't need MS support because not an enterprise customer. If I were computer illiterate I might get passionate about operating systems, but they are nearly interchangeable now so no big deal.
I never hurry to try new OS because I'm not a developer. I let other mothafuckas sort them out then use them at leisure. That is usually around the time of good driver support.
We through a little celebration after we FOUGHT the last XP machine out of hands of the last person who had XP machine.
That was 4 months ago. The Engineer is still pissed at us because we had to sneak during the night to do it. 2014 FFS and people were still using XP and our company is pretty forward looking.
What im saying is that there probably is still large number of XP users out there in corporate world who will not switch to W7 for a while yet. and when they do it will be another decade until they switch to W8.
>Use Windows 7 for long time
>Listen to /g/, install Linux
>Ubuntu is shit. Hop to debian. Out of date packages and I don't like the philosophy. Move to Arch, it was nice at first but the package manager is shit with no package signing and systemd is a joke.
>move to Slackware
>It just works and the package manager is the best I've ever seen.
>Remove Windows, Stay with glorious Slack.
I just imagined a bunch of skimask wearing neckbeards breaking into a building, stealing the last XP machine, and forcibly installing Gentoo on it.
Well who the fuck else would you be?
Pacman 4 allowed verification of the package database and packages, but it was disabled by default. In November 2011 package signing became mandatory for new package builds, and as of 21 March 2012 every official package is signed.
In June 2012, package signing verification became official and is now enabled by default in the installation process.
>Businesses are still struggling to migrate from XP to Windows 7.
THIS. I work in the IT shop at my uni, and we still have XP machines in production that we simply don't have the cash to replace. The higher ups beyond IT had no contingency plan.
This entire thread is dumb wintards trying to defend the use of a keylogger on Windows technical previews, citing the fact that it is a beta release, while ignoring the fact that Debian Testing, Fedora Rawhide, or the beta releases of Red Hat or openSUSE have ever had such spyware?
There is nothing wrong with 8.1, stop being autistic.
I love it, I don't know why I kept using Windows 7 and the start menu button can be restored.
My only problem is that you can't uninstall Onedrive.