>>45604713 Educate the population enough to build and maintain these systems. Realize how fucking expensive it is to do this and ship it off to some third world nation where it will inevitably fail,then ship it all back to be repaired and relaunched within their own borders.
>>45604713 This is already happening. Foxconn is trying to replace a lot of human workers with machines. They claim that the bots are "assisting" the human employees now, but its only because current models are basically a test run. Even inventory in Chinese factories is starting to be fully automated just like it is here.
>>45604922 Africa only lacks infrastructure. When major manufacturing hubs start forming in Africa, large populations will migrate there, just as with China. The workers will basically work for sustenance, which by that time will probably be some kind of mass produced Soylent.
>>45604885 Oh gawd! Nooo! I seriously hope this isn't true. The reckless abandon China has in regards to the environment will pale by comparison to what a continent of niggers will do. They respect nothing.
>>45604967 They lack far more than infrastructure. You can only build in a relatively modernized area, which are hard to come by. Your employees still need some degree of education, and I'm dead serious when I say that Africans need to be taught to pull back their foreskin and wash it. They also have to be given seminars on how to avoid AIDS.
>>45604999 Manufacturing will move to India before Africa. Africa is completely unstable and utterly incapable of providing an appropriate manufacturing environment. It's full of violent ethnic and sectarian nutjobs including Jihadists.
How's this for a nightmare? You wake up as a Chinese quality control supervisor in Nigeria trying to set up a production line.
>>45604738 >Move manufacturing to Africa where humans are cheaper than robots. lmao and you thought chinese QC was bad nobody is stupid enough to do that, africans will break your screwdivers and hammers within a day
>>45605158 America is one of the least racist places in the world. The racial slur vocabulary as well as the number of people groups that one will opine about is drastically higher elsewhere. No one in America walks down the streets and discusses how shitty pakis, wogs, gypsies, abos, etc are.
pro-tip: global warming will make Canada and Siberia into food production superpowers, the position held by America and Ukraine today.
I hope your neighbours to the north will accept a hundred million refugees into their country; I can't believe that Russia will just sit back and let half a billion East Asians flood over their borders.
>>45605167 On that note, my company started divisions in Mexico and Brazil and they all floundered and shut down within 2 years. All the equipment was sent back to the US and most of it was in such a state of disrepair it had to be scrapped to recoup any money. I think we're at a point now where only non-critical,low quality, items are even being considered for these kinds of ventures.
>>45605369 Not sure where people get the illusion that slavery is over. There are more slaves than ever. Just they hang about in countries no-one cares about, like africa. Africa still uses slaves. I like how that white people are the first people to stop using slaves but we get all the blame for using them, from races that still use slaves, too.
It's disturbing, but there are slaves in my country too.
Apparently Ireland has hundreds or thousands of southeast Asians who are essentially owned by marijuana growers (it's getting harder to smuggle it into the country, I have heard, but not seen figures, that about two thirds of the weed smoked here is grown here, I don't know about hash). The gangs keep them in rental flats and if they try to escape they're arrested, charged, and deported.
>>45605371 Foreign aid goes a long way to making things worse, and you can't overlook the fact that the Chinese and US both sponsor warlords in various regions to fight over control of swaths of land. Sending food aid to specific areas so people come from all around to get hand outs there creates an issue. You end up with an influx of people in one spot, and living conditions worsen for everyone. You send doctors to treat illness, but no one sends teachers to educate the people about preventing illness, and no one wants to build schools due to rebels in the area.
I'm not saying they have it within themselves to build cities that reach parity with the western world, but you can't really expect anything from them when everyone keeps kicking them in the teeth.
Plus most food aid isn't free, it's all put on the tab. It's actually more expensive than market price, since they have to pay it back with interest.
>I'm not saying they have it within themselves to build cities that reach parity with the western world, but you can't really expect anything from them when everyone keeps kicking them in the teeth.
YES THEY DO. They were developing at the same rate (a few percent slower than Eurasia) as everyone else on the planet before colonisation. People said the same thing about Asians in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century (just after everyone kicked in China's door, just before Japan had a decent showing in the Pacific War).
>>45605530 >They were developing at the same rate (a few percent slower than Eurasia) as everyone else on the planet before colonisation. Yes, from wooden sticks to sharper wooden sticks.
Then colonisation happened and the development spiked, then it ended and the infrastructure that was left just fell apart without the people who knew what they were doing to maintain it. Of course, africans doing shit like killing white farmers didn't help. Then they took over the land and it went fallow since they didn't know farming. Of course then you have to compare it to areas like the united states and mexico and south america. South america was wiped the fuck out when the spanish came along. Half the world was taken over by whites, but it's african areas that recovered the worst. And suffered the most when it ended.
I had read that some places would improve in productivity; western Australia, the west Sahel, Canada, Siberia, and (by technicality, I guess), the Antarctic peninsula. But this was with a 4 degree increase in global average temperature, so if that's completely unrealistic, then it wouldn't happen.
TOTAL world food production would definitely drop (with maybe an increase above pre-change levels in fifty years as we get better at farming in the new climate, and as we develop newly suitable lands), and the places that saw improvements might be overrun and collapse before they can become stable exporters of food.
>>45605611 Quite true, they had a much more sustainably sized population. One of the greatest evils of colonisation was to allow rapid population growth facilitated by the introduction of farming techniques and agricultural systems the natives couldn't maintain. We keep this problem going now by propping up huge populations with food aid, rather than allowing population to fall into line more with what is sustainable
From a majority of the inhabitants of the continent not farming and herding cattle and not using iron and not being literate and riding horses and congregating in cities in 1000 BC, to a majority farming and herding cattle and using iron and a minority being literate and riding horses and congregating in cities in 1000 AD. That is progress.
>Then colonisation happened and the development spiked, then it ended and the infrastructure that was left just fell apart without the people who knew what they were doing to maintain it. >Of course, africans doing shit like killing white farmers didn't help. Then they took over the land and it went fallow since they didn't know farming.
In Rhodesia? White farmers expelled African pastoralists, in much the same way Russian farmers expelled Cossacks from the southern part of their country. If you now expelled Russian farmers, and asked the Cossacks who never farmed in that way to take over, crops would fail. It takes more than one generation to make a farmer.
>Of course then you have to compare it to areas like the united states and mexico and south america. South america was wiped the fuck out when the spanish came along. >Half the world was taken over by whites, but it's african areas that recovered the worst. And suffered the most when it ended.
Yes, in Asia, Europeans made deals with existing bureaucracies (after having conquered them), and those systems were brought up to the modern standard just as the ones in Europe. In Africa, as in the Americas and Australia, the main mode of colonisation was to destroy existing bureaucracies, such as they were, and replace them, whole cloth, with western institutions. In the Americas, this took place over five centuries, and was enforced by people who settled in the Americas, and formed large minorities or majorities in every country; in Africa, this took place over a century, and was enforced by small minorities resident in some of these countries.
>>45605709 No idea. Our phosphorus deposits are most concentrated in certain strata, corresponding to a certain period in earth's life when a bunch of phosphorus was dumped around for some reason. There's likely to be some phosphorus on asteroids, but the cost would be literally astronomical. What you're proposing is a solution that's many times more expensive than just recycling our phosphorus. Which we don't do because the deposits are still the cheapest source. But the thing is that when the deposits dry up, phosphorus prices will rise sharply, food prices will rise sharply, and the high wealth inequality in the US and most parts of the world (Norway being the one major exception, funnily enough), the relatively small change in living costs affects huge numbers of people.
Why is norway the one exception? Because it's an oil producer with low wealth inequality. Oil producing is associated with high wealth inequalities and corruption, in every country but norway.
>>45605628 http://www.campbells.org/Airplanes/airplaneCircuitBreakersVsFuses.html "We tested four values: 1, 5, 10, 15 amps. Tests were performed at an ambient temperature of approximately 65F. We tested how closely each device's activation point matched its rated value, and how fast it reacted to an application of current in excess of its rating. Our results show that CBs and glass fuses with similar specifications perform very similar in typical aircraft usage scenarios (see next paragraph). The only remarkable difference was the surprising phenomenon that I refer to as "thermal memory"; that is, when the devices were repeatedly cycled to 80% of their rated currents using a ON/OFF duty cycle of 20/10 minutes, the average activation current for the 1- and 5-amp fuses decreased PERMANENTLY while the equivalent CBs recovered to rated value. Practically, this means that in a stressful situation, the current rating of these fuses decrease slightly each time the fuse is subjected to a current near its rated value. Although we didn't perform enough testing cycles to determine whether this behavior eventually "bottoms out," we conjecture that this might account for the occasional unexplained blown fuse we sometimes find in our aircraft at startup."
>>45605838 I used to believe the same after sitting through some seminars sponsored by Little Fuse. Did some research of my own based on what I witnessed in the field as a technician and came to the conclusion that fuses are shilled fiercely due to their higher replacement=more money to the manufacturers.
>>45606250 Ocean? Recycling would be from runoff in farms, and in sewage works. The thing is, it's way more expensive to drag it out of water and effluent than to dig it out of australia or wherever. Expensive phosphorus = expensive food.
This is unlikely going to happen very fast. Cheap labor was only one reason why China is used for manufacturing. Governmental and infrastructural stability are also key. Cheap labor is great, but if your factory gets shut down because of revolt, war, or an unstable power grid, you lose money.
So if there are countries in Africa that have very stable governments and sufficient infrastructure, then manufacturing could move there,
But African nations are kept unstable to make sure that what we CAN buy from them is cheap.
So if China unionises or automates, then we'll miraculously see some African nations gets their shit together enough to force people into the factories en masse. Nigeria, for example, is going to become very interesting in the next twenty years, I think.
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