>Google Pulling Out Of Russia Because They Can't Send Data To NSA
>Search giant plans to shutter its engineering office, according to a report, after Russia passed restrictive laws on how international tech companies can store data.
> "Most Russians don't want their data to leave Russia for the United States, where it can be hacked and given to criminals... Our entire lives are stored over there," Russian MP Vadim Dengin said when the laws were introduced earlier this year.
or maybe it's just not worth their while to duplicate their entire infrastructure inside russia, when yandex is dominant there anyway
that's not evil enough for the /g/ maymays though
Fuck Jewgle. Anyone who uses that shit company's browser and their OS and services is a fucking moron.
> russia passes laws to spy on their citizens
> russia passes laws to force data to remain in their borders so they can spy even more
> /g/ blames google
why do i come to this shit board
for those of us who don't log into jewgle, it's not convenient.
also, it's fucking trivial to figure out who made what posts on 4chan if you have recaptcha logs.
Russia can request data on any of their citizens from Google/MS/Apple/Twitter/Facebook etc. And those companies comply. That's not the issue.
Issue is that Google is extremely close to NЅА and State Department and the rest of the security agencies and Russians don't want their citizens to be spied upon wholesale.
Exactly, moot made it EASIER to post unanonymously, and harder to anonymously.
Sort of thinking this new captcha makes it easier for googlebots. We can't buy 4chan passes anymore because moot already has plenty of cash flow from google now.
Why does /g/ make a point of singling out Google? Americas laws make it legal for a secret court to compel any US company to feed information to intelligence agencies (ie. PRISM), and do so under a strict gag order that prevents them from even saying they're under a gag order.
Either admit you don't care, or cut ALL US based companies out of your life.
moot also hates Tor any any kind of anonymity.
and he's the fаg who went and gave a TED talk on virtues of anonymity... yet he fucking despises it.
But the guy you're replying to is right: Google does this stuff voluntarily so that it gets preferential treatment from the government.
>Why does /g/ make a point of singling out Google? Americas laws make it legal for a secret court to compel any US company to feed information to intelligence agencies (ie. PRISM), and do so under a strict gag order that prevents them from even saying they're under a gag order.
>Either admit you don't care, or cut ALL US based companies out of your life.
Why? Because there is NO ONE who has MORE DATA ABOUT YOU than Google. NO ONE! Not even the US Gov has more data on you.
And Google is EXTREMELY CLOSE to US Gov. Google was in bed with NЅА for a very long time! You can find lawsuits by EFF asking US gov to disclose their relationship with Google and that lawsuit was quashed by courts citing national security act.
Assange has said that Eric Schmidt is working for СIА or State Department.
Holy shit could this article have any more filler?
> In 2004, after taking over Keyhole, a mapping tech startup co-funded by the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) and the CIA, Google developed the technology into Google Maps, an enterprise version of which it has since shopped to the Pentagon and associated federal and state agencies on multimillion-dollar contracts.
Literally trying to make "licencing map data" sound scary.
what about the part where StateDept and Google are indistinguishable? That filler too?
Also, EFF can't be trusted anymore either.
>“The problem,” says Julian Assange, is that “a lot of groups that would normally criticize Google, the nonprofits that are involved in the tech sector, are funded directly or indirectly by Google. Or by USAID. Or by Freedom House. Google and its extended network have significant patronage in the very groups that would normally be criticizing it.”
you're a fucking idiot if you judge a book by the cover or content based on where it's hosted.
>or maybe it's just not worth their while to duplicate their entire infrastructure inside russia
They kinda did already, except they placed the datacenter in Finland. Lets be real the only reason they put it there is that it is close proximity to Russian customers. Also the news item points out that Google is still leaving sales and support people to Russian offices, so they are not really even "pulling out" for real.
The idea that customer data should be held in country where that customer lives is not out of this world. More countries are going to come up with similar laws. And by the way EU already has a directive that could possibly force companies outside Europe to bounce around.
>Personal data may only be transferred to third countries if that country provides an adequate level of protection.
You could argue that none of the data stored in US has adequate level of protection.
>>45590825 (replying to myself)
> During the same period, Google—whose publicly declared corporate mission is to collect and “organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful”—was accepting NSA money to the tune of $2 million to provide the agency with search tools for its rapidly accreting hoard of stolen knowledge.
Scary! Except he doesn't mention that Google sells standalone search appliances to practically anyone with the cash. He spins it to sound like they were specifically in bed with the NSA, without actually saying that.
He also calls out Pages and Brin receiving DARPA funding for their initial research that spawned Google, but doesn't mention that DARPA pumps billions of dollars into a multitude of research projects, even if they're only tangentially related to military applications. Again, making it sound like Google had close ties to the USG from the beginning when they were just getting a research grant from an organisation that gives out thousands of research grants per year.
Maybe there is a legitimate point in that mess, but I find it very hard to take him at face value when he's so obviously pushing an agenda.
>>was accepting NSA money to the tune of $2 million to provide the agency with search tools
>TFW live near Fort Meade
>once saw a search appliance on craigslist for something crazy like $300
>could have bought other people's private secrets for the cost of a thinkpad
This article is an outright lie pushed by Putin directly through RT, the Russian government's propaganda arm.
The REAL reason Google pulled out of Russia is because Russia passed a draconian Internet surveillance law that requires all foreign Internet companies to maintain servers with their user's data on Russia soil so the government can request the data at any time.
Putin has been directing Russia Today to push the "LEL AMERICA IS POLICE STATE! NSA!" propaganda hard, but Putin has turned the Russian government's Internet surveillance network into something even more powerful than the NSA.
>pulls out from China
>pulls out from Russia
Both are huge growing markets, you are not supposed to leave money on the table. Only retard would do this, or someone working for the government.
Here's another hilarious intentional oversight:
> In 2012, Google arrived on the list of top-spending Washington, D.C., lobbyists—a list typically stalked exclusively by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, military contractors, and the petro-carbon leviathans. Google entered the rankings above military aerospace giant Lockheed Martin, with a total of $18.2 million spent in 2012 to Lockheed’s $15.3 million. Boeing, the military contractor that absorbed McDonnell Douglas in 1997, also came below Google, at $15.6 million spent, as did Northrop Grumman at $17.5 million.
He's trying to put Google in the same group as scary defense contractors by just not including any company that doesn't serve his point. You know you spends more money on Google on lobbying, by the very source he linked? The American Hospital Association. Are they in bed with the military industrial complex too?
>I'm saying Assange is a complete nut job who's paranoid ramblings are only hurting his message by diluting the real evidence.
fuck off. he's not. he has audio recordings of everything you fucking shill.
Well, they tried competing with Yandex and Baidu and failed. Google knows as well as anyone that once a company that big gets established in a country, it's impossible to push them out.
>The REAL reason Google pulled out of Russia is because Russia passed a draconian Internet surveillance law that requires all foreign Internet companies to maintain servers with their user's data on Russia soil so the government can request the data at any time.
Wow, it's almost like in the US.
Seriously, fuck off shill.
>I'm saying Assange is a complete nutjob who's paranoid ramblings are only hurting his message by diluting the real evidence.
Hello again Mr. Earnest Voice.
How has life been since copy-pasting this all over HN a month ago?
Look at this zionazi piece of shill shit.
Also, is this slide paranoid ramblings too?
Well that's just wrong. You can have a profitable business in a country without being the market leader. And the market in China is by no means "established", it's hugely changing, massively growing market.
Did u guys know that Google was helping overthrow governments? Go look it up. It came out with Stratfor leak.
hacker news is FULL of google employees just shilling and down voting anything negative about Google. when you see someone defending Google, just look at their profile... 99.999% of the time they work for Google.
"Paranoid ramblings" was referring to Assanges writing style, which is one step away from "google has 6 letters, 6/3 = 3, illuminati has 3 sides, ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED"
He can be right and still make his point in an idiotic way that makes him look like a lunatic. Perception matters when you're trying to win people over.
By writing software which would eliminate the need for centralized services on the internet.
>We can't buy 4chan passes anymore
Holy shit I didn't even notice that.
He was just selling them on black friday, are those invalid or are they still good for a year?
Radical fucking changes in the past two weeks.
>requires all foreign Internet companies to maintain servers with their user's data on Russia soil so the government can request the data at any time.
Sure. The other reason is that if servers reside on foreign soil, the company must comply with local law, including privacy laws. USA isn't really keen on that privacy thingy.
Some central services are still needed, like root dns servers, though, as well as transatlantic cables. Imagine the colossal amount of data that runs through those things. Who runs them, anyway?
>has plenty of cash flow from google now
explain. recptcha pays money now?
since Moot killed /pol/ and /b/ and is chasing away users and has now also killed Passes... I wonder what his game plan is. Is he gonna sell 4chan to someone? how the fuck is he gonna pay the bills?
ps: those not logged into jewgle, you can hit the reload button to get easier captchas.
I'm pretty sure it doesn't. Captcha just provides a service in exchange for tracking users and digitizing books. The books provide better search results. And tracking users. And tracking users.
Why do you think moot is selling 4chan?
NOBODY WANTS 4CHAN.
It's hard enough forhim to get advertisers as it is.
His revenge on /pol/ was justified. It has been the source of most of 4chan's and moot's problems for a while now. They're an embarrassment.
If anything, Moot is probably losing money via Google services depending on his this was resolved:
>not logged into google
>still gets normal captchas
I am waiting for the moment that russia makes proper hardware that wont allow AMERICAN spying. I dont even care if the russians spy on me. Its a much better alternative than american spying.
>His revenge on /pol/ was justified. It has been the source of most of 4chan's and moot's problems for a while now. They're an embarrassment.
Just like right wing America. They *think* that they are the "real 4chan/America" but everyone else thinks that they are retarded and embarrassing.
I have no google cookies. I am not logged into gmail/jewtube/etc. still get these captchas.
when I hit "get new challenge", I get a simpler one.
your IP must be spammy or something.
While we're on the topic of captchas, I primarily use Linux, and 100% of the time I just have to tick the box, without typing out the scrambled text. However, when I occasionally boot Windows, it works only like 50% of the time, in both cases I use the same version of Firefox (Nightly channel) with the exactly same set of extensions and userscripts, I wonder what's the cause.
>fuck NSA Mass Surveillance
at least the NSA has to hack their way into providers to get their data
in russia providers have to install fucking probes to send all data to authorities
do you even SORM?
thanks obama :^)
Pretty obvious, your Windows browser profile has less activity associated with it to work from.
Even if you're logged into the same Google account, they seem to penalize fresh sessions.
from my understanding, SORM is targeted and not a mass surveillance system. show me gigantic server farms in Russia that are equivalent to NЅА server farms. you can't spy on whole country without them.
also, Russians have zero info about me so I don't give a fuck what they do. they also can't jail me. Jewgle and FВI/NЅА can.
>Between the US and Russia, the US is miles ahead in privacy.
I've read some retarded shit but this takes the cake.
AHAHAHHHAHHAHA... so fucking brainwashed and dumber that a bag of hammers.
server farms? are you fucking retarded? you think just because russian government doesn't openly admit they have massive server farms they really don't?
I bet you also think israel doesn't have nukes.
>server farms? are you fucking retarded? you think just because russian government doesn't openly admit they have massive server farms they really don't?
You can't hide gigantic server farms you dumb retard. They'd show up on satellite images.
And don't compare them to nukеs... that's beyond retarded and in "FULL RETARD" category.
Russia is mainly interested in keeping others out of their business.
There are thousands of small providers in Russia all with their own terms and conditions, compared to the couple the US has (all of whom are affiliated anyway). Attempting to get this rabble to cooperate to form any semblance of a botnet is hopeful at best. is this more secure? hell no, but no one is held accountable either.
>hurr durr russia has big cock therefore doesn't hide anything
ever heard of the secret underground city/bombshelter beneath moscow?
they had enough room for hundreds of thousands of people in there and fucking nobody knew about it until the soviets an hero'd.
Woah, one can only be so retarded.
Did you know that a server farm can be in any type of building? Or did you think there should be neon signs pointing them out? I wouldn't be surprised if Moscow City is one super-massive server farm.
>Between the US and Russia, the US is miles ahead in privacy.
Russians have more privacy than Americans.
And non-Americans who use services that store data in the US, have ZERO RIGHTS. Really, NЅА/FBI can do with your data whatever the fuck they want. You have zero rights as a non-citizen.
There was a call recently to extend US privacy rights to EU citizens but that was quickly struck down.
>Did you know that a server farm can be in any type of building? Or did you think there should be neon signs pointing them out? I wouldn't be surprised if Moscow City is one super-massive server farm.
Servers require massive power and cooling requirements you stupid piece of shit. Do you know how large server farms are that spy on whole countries? Go look up NЅА and GCHQ server farms. Now show me the same sever farms that ruskies have. No one can find them. You know why? Because they don't exist. And Ruskies don't even have the BILLIONS of dollars needed to spy on the whole country or countries.
>>Gets all his news from RT, a network caught red handed using actors to fake stories.
lulz. I get my news from a litany of sites. I don't just listen to what jеwѕ tell me is true.
>Ruskies don't even have the BILLIONS of dollars needed
isn't it past your bedtime already vladimir?
>And Ruskies don't even have the BILLIONS of dollars needed to spy on the whole country or countries.
Sure, they don't have that money, but the oligarchs and corrupt government officials who run the country do. So much so that the Forbes top 100 would be all-Russian if they knew how much they actually had.
Also you are thinking too much inside the box, a massive farm doesn't have to be massive in a lateral sense, it can be a skyscraper, and Moscow has a few very new and very fancy ones that cost more than a few of your "billions" to build. Hmm, I wonder what's inside? The general public that doesn't get let in sure doesn't!
Imagine if someday Google became so powerful that they ended up rivaling the government in terms of influence and resources.
Now imagine Google adopting Bitcoin and using their massive servers to maintain online transactions.
Then imagine Google's entire infrastructure begins to take shape all across the planet.
Suddenly you have a corporation that quite literally replaces the government that which observes EVERYONE.
You shitheads actually think that Russians can have a google-size server farms?
AHAH HAHAH HAHAHAHAHHA
dumb fucking idiots. they use typewriters now.
NЅА can have such huge server farms that track everything because Google helped them. And Amazon is now running СIА's server farms.
Google is an American company, and if other countries see it going out of line, as is happening now, they will just stop/block their services and possibly substitute their own. The worst it will get is that only the USA will fall under complete control of Google, if it hasn't already.
I've learned to stop worrying and embrace this future.
ITT russian sock puppets preparing /g/entlemen's butts for putin
>implying it's not already too late for these countries
They are pulling out because they lost to based Yandex.
Just like they lost to Baidu in Asia.
Capitalism gave birth to the corporation.
What follows after Capitalism is a corporation that takes over the previous system.
So far Google seems to be the runner up for such a position.
They'll have so much global influence that pushing them out of their nation could cripple it the same way trying to push out oil imports could collapse an entire nation's economy.
Nah, the service is great if you have the ca$h to pay for it. What's happening now is the old guard cable companies are trying to hold on to their old way of doing things while hiding anti-competitive behavior in their systems. They see the writing on the wall. They've had this great system where they charge people for access, and then sell those wealthy people with disposable income whom are willing to pay for trivial shit like flickering pictures on a screen to advertisers. They are charging both sides of the game. Millennials were weaned in this media rich environment, so the same old Bernays tricks aren't working as well as they projected. They are losing eyeballs, and losing control of the market.
So, data caps, charging a premium for video data that isn't under their control, packet inspection, anti-competitive QOS, all of that is a sort of scramble to get as much as they can before the Boomers die and leave them in the lurch. They are also terrified that Google is pivoting into physical infrastructure, and they also see the fact that the Broadband Internet has become a necessary thing for people to engage with American society. Utility-style Federal regulation of Broadband Internet as something as necessary as electricity and water/sewer service WILL happen. It's not a matter of if it happens. It's a matter of when it happens.
>the same way trying to push out oil imports could collapse an entire nation's economy.
Poor example in this case, Russia is a major exporter of crude oil for much of Europe, there is no critical resource that they are dependent on other countries for. After the sanctions preventing any kind of raw product import (meat, cheese, and such), it hasn't been a few months and Russians are already making knock-offs that are no worse than import product.
Parmesan cheese? Yep. Foie gras? Never left the restaurant's menu. Angus beef? already being bred.
This is not theorizing the future, Russia has already made tremendous headway in gaining independence, starting with all govenment computers being made entirely in-country.
>Search giant plans to shutter its engineering office, according to a report, after Russia passed restrictive laws on how international tech companies can store data
original article of this quote seems to be http://fortune.com/2014/12/11/google-russia-engineering/
Some counties that have oil will do fine, those who do not are screwed without it. IT is sort of the new oil of the 21st century in that it's required to have a functioning society these days. Yeah sure a nation can cut themselves off from the internet and build their own, but they'll be disconnected from the world.
Under-rated post. I've been predicting this for years. The only thing saving television right now is Jewery on the behalf of those in charge of creating a standard platform for media consumption. Ten dollars says it will be Jewgle who strong-arms the world into submission.
I read that because it's based in Germany, it should be avoided. Not sure if this is tin foil or what.
Israel itself doesn't make me nervous. It's what the USA can force Israel to do since they best buds.
>Russia is the most based country in Europe and no, I am not botnet russian shill ride jidf
putin just allowed russians to conceal carry handguns for self-defense.
compare that to those muslim cuckolds in UK that charge you when you fight back against someone assaulting you.
>draconian Internet surveillance law that requires all foreign Internet companies to maintain servers with their user's data on Russia soil so the government can request the data at any time.
I wish every country did this. It's easy to spy on foreigners by collecting data when you're safe inside US borders. Let's see how powerful Google really is when it must operate inside other countries.
Countries should actively filter out connections between any website which is not represented within its borders. That would kill the internet, but doing otherwise would be killing government's sovereignty. It would mean failing to protect its citizens from the US.
I see NSA bots are out in full-force today. Nice thread OP. I'll just leave this here.
>implying FUD isn't the only reason right-wing Euro sceptics collect votes
>implying Putin isn't scared that the millions he spent on these parties to destabilize EU become worthless
> NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel
> Glenn Greenwald THRASHES NSA apologists Kirsty Wark, Pauline Neville Jones
> Richard Stallman GNU Founder Ubuntu part of NSA PRISM
> THE SECRET GOVERNMENT RULEBOOK FOR LABELING YOU A TERRORIST
Fuck man, where the fuck is moot? It's time to remove captcha and force the cuck meme!!!11 >:(
>Issue is that Google is extremely close to NЅА and State Department and the rest of the security agencies and Russians don't want their citizens to be spied upon wholesale.
Can you point specifically to the part where it says Google did something that any other company in its position wouldn't do? The either cooperate with the government or they can get shut down.
There's a difference between anonymity and blocking services that allow people to easily spam the fuck out of websites through proxies and Tor.
Stop for a second and give that a think, then realize you sound like an idiot for even making such a comparison.
>yfw 90% of all stored data is never actually looked upon
>yfw It would take hundreds of years to analyse all the data
>yfw most of the data is practically useless
>yfw NSA was not able to stop most terrorist attacks
>yfw government spying has been known since the Roman Empire.
>yfw there are easyer ways to track down criminals
>yfw everyone looks at porn, and NSA has no right to judge(unless CP)
>yfw Google only wants money, and doesn't care if you are a terrorist, pedo, or neckbeard
Why care so much?
Unless you are the president of a country your data is being properly analysed, but presidents are not basement neckbeards.
>>yfw everyone looks at porn, and NSA has no right to judge(unless CP)
I don't know anon. Maybe facesitting and other things should be added to that arbitrary list that breaks rights we think we have.
>what is political prosecution
you really don't understand anything.
>>yfw 90% of all stored data is never actually looked upon
source or shut the fuck up
>yfw the NSA has access to, and reads, practically all the HTTP(S? hopefully not, but probably yes) data
>yfw most internet traffic is porn and videos in general, and they only need metadata to destroy your life
>mfw people think 10% of all the internet traffic means this is completely irrelevant
my face is >>45599611, oh the irony
“They park stuff in storage in the hopes that they will eventually have time to get to it,” said James Lewis, a cyberexpert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, “or that they’ll find something that they need to go back and look for in the masses of data.” But, he added, “most of it sits and is never looked at by anyone.”
Did you even read my post?
NSA first needs valid reasons to destroy anyone's life. The avarage person doesn't even fall in that spectrum. NSA doesn't just go pick random people like a lottery to ruin them.
But I guess you are special right anon? You are probably some high profile druglord, or a general in IS army?
Even if you are drug dealer on TOR you have to worry more about the FBI.
The only shit I talk about on skype is with my gf, so if they analyse it then some neckbeards at NSA might actually l learn something.
>But I guess you are special right anon? You are probably some high profile druglord, or a general in IS army?
Yeah or a fucking American Neurosurgeon. God knows he's into some serious shit, right? Die in a fire shill.
>“They park stuff in storage in the hopes that they will eventually have time to get to it,” said James Lewis, a cyberexpert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, “or that they’ll find something that they need to go back and look for in the masses of data.” But, he added, “most of it sits and is never looked at by anyone.”
so? it's still there, potentially threatening many lives
>NSA first needs valid reasons to destroy anyone's life
how naïve. how old are you, kid? read some history books, you fucking retard. oh wait, the history books you are told to read only name "important people", not the millions of people that have been killed for the sake of power.
here, have some history:
^^^ this is what your government has done to protect corporate interests. do you think they even care about the lives of their own people? do you think that a dictator, assuming there was one in power, would think twice about wiping you from the surface of earth? top kek
First of all I am not American and am also anti-USA. I am well aware of USA crimes. We are on the same page here. I just don't think NSA is really as important as it seems.
In fact NSA wants people to hate on them so that they can feel important and have reasons to do this shit.
My whole point is that there are better strategies to prevent USA from turning into corperate dictatorship.
Ofcourse to take over a regime all the laws and reasoning go out of the window, but I was talking about invidual persecution.
I wish my company had the balls to do that.
They are betraying each and every single one of us because they're enjoying Murrica's dick in their asses so much.
Well, I guess we have no choice because we're occupied by them since world war 2. There has never been a peace treaty.
>First of all I am not American and am also anti-USA. I am well aware of USA crimes. We are on the same page here. I just don't think NSA is really as important as it seems.
Nice post shill faggot.
Do you think that a dictator, assuming there was one in power, would think twice about wiping you from the surface of earth? top kek
Yes. You do not understand the goal of a dictator. Any dictator ever wants to dominate over his society, not destroy it.
Every master needs a slave in order to be a master. Without slaves there would be no master.
Read the Philosophy of History by Hegel and you will understand the motives behind kings, rulers, and dictators.
>I just don't think NSA is really as important as it seems.
I believe the contrary, it's even worse for us non-US people, because of the same past shown in those wikipedia articles and the mentality of the people involved... they can extort politicians, militia men and business men, steal industrial/financial secrets and so on, and Glenn Greenwald has already shown that they have done that many times. how is this not important? hell, they used this information to drone "terrorists"
>My whole point is that there are better strategies to prevent USA from turning into corperate dictatorship.
how is the US *not* a corporate dictatorship? the US is following the definition of fascism without all the bells and whistles.
>Yes. You do not understand the goal of a dictator
the goal of a dictator is to remove its opposition, whatever that means for him/her. if you are somehow related to said opposition, you are in danger, and they won't ask twice about your political affiliations or personal associations, they will simply kill you.
look at the history of latin america, that's more than enough to know that you simply can't trust anything that comes from the US, because it all comes with strings attached.
I actually met some old members of Black Panther Party at a conference. Even they said in a speech that NSA revelations was nothing new. Like the naked emperor story and that the batlle was not to focus om NSA, but on mobalising the masses.
You can call my shill whatever you want, but we still have the same interests.
Microsoft is even more in bed with the NSA, and everyone uses Windows.
Google tried to fight it in private courts but Microsoft just gladly gave up all your personal information.
>I believe the contrary,
I am not pro-NSA, but he thing is how do you even want to fight them? Stopping NSA would basically mean an entire cultural, economical, and political change of the USA.
So instead of focusing on NSA directly, it is better to do it on a cultural level.
>the goal of a dictator is to remove its opposition, whatever that means for him/her.
Obviously, but its even better to turn the opposition to your side. Look at Europe. The USA could destroy them easily, but instead they let Europe work for them.
To keep people happy you must create the illusion of freedom. In that sense Chinese are more free then Americans, in the sense that atleast they know they are being opressed.
I agree, USA is already a corperate dictatorship.
>Even they said in a speech that NSA revelations was nothing new
there is a difference, they (and perhaps also you) don't understand how our current technology makes everything (tracking people, wiretapping, data mining...) way easier than the way they did it in the past. of course, it's not only about technology, but... people working for the NSA (read: random techie autists) only follow orders, they don't question them