There is no escaping the Google botnet.
I don't have a Gmail account.
I use dropbox for contacts/calendar.
I don't own any android devices.
Yet, this fucking captcha is getting all of my information.
I think it's time for me to give in. It takes way to much effort to avoid them... Fuck...
i'm not op
i don't care what they get up to, as long as it doesn't interfere with what i do, which it currently is, with their bullshit captcha service which rewards those with strong google service ties, and shafts the rest
and unfortunately not using captcha isn't an option here, especially now that moot has disable pass purchases
I hear that, but I think you're logic is flawed. The way I see it Google provides the service to allow people to post anonymously (in cooperation with 4chan). Would you rather be it as, without a pass you can't post? because that is an option you know, and very obviously it's an option 4chan CHOOSES not to implement.
Why do you care if it rewards those with google accounts? Why don't you just type in the captcha in privacy mode? Is it really that hard to move your mouse a bit more to post in 4chan?
You sold them your online life for an inbox and search engine
Not him but I think he's saying that, since in reality privacy mode ONLY controls client side activities, anything passed to the server will be kept and logged for as long as the server wants, which is the problem most people on /g/ wearing tin foil hats loathe.
IP (which basically let's them figure out who you are if they so desire), in connection with any post that you create and from that can gather what boards you frequent and so on.
Not trying to get into an in depth, argument about something obviously we both know about. Most people aren't posting from vpn's, cracked wifi networks and public networks, if they do they aren't the ones complaining, most people ARE in fact using this shit from their homes/personal phone internet and shit like that which is in fact a sure way of detecting or at least leading to a person's real identity so please, don't start this shit.
>Most people aren't posting from vpn's, cracked wifi networks and public networks
>using this shit from their homes/personal phone internet
How does Google tell the difference? Do you mean to tell me that Google studies VPN/cracked wifi/public addresses and maintains an IP database of these?
I don't, most tinfoilfags on /g/ running that Windows botnet install Gentoo shit are though. I don't doubt Google logs DATA, key word DATA, I don't see any reason for them to give half a fuck about anyone's information, but point is that data just like most data can provide enough information to tell who is who and shit like that but it doesn't really bother me. What the fuck, as if my internet provider and the government didn't already have the power to figure that shit out, what's Google going to log that ain't already logged with everything being logged in the digital age.
Your browser can generally be uniquely identified based on the plugins you have installed, etc. It's very easy to be tracked.
panopticlick.eff.org can determine how identifiable your browser is. Here's my result:
>Your browser fingerprint appears to be unique among the 4,773,248 tested so far.
>Currently, we estimate that your browser has a fingerprint that conveys at least 22.19 bits of identifying information.
>Your browser can generally be uniquely identified based on the plugins you have installed, etc. It's very easy to be tracked.
So generate an identity that's not unique. Problem solved.
>I figured you'd say that, my point was simply that you're solution was not a solution the problem you were providing a solution to yet evidently you thought it was.
Whatever this means, I probably agree with it.
dunno, but i have a few ideas:
1. he thinks they're not needed anymore because is meant to be simple now
2. he's disabled them temporarily to avoid people saying he's doing this for the money
3. the new coke theory
You could always go to that other chan that doesn't have Google botnet or Jewish finding.
>Still need to type out captcha even on the phone.
Fuck you Google.
This has nothing to do with how "important" you are. This has to do with Google being able to overthrow any government, create any monopoly, use and abuse us to the point where if we say or do one single thing that is against US law (even outside of the US), Google will make sure to get you prosecuted in US court.
It's possible and imminent.
The internet is an NSA botnet. If you actually care about secure communication, do what we did before the internet existed.
IDGAF about "botnets". My data BURDENS them by being background noise. I don't have CeePee to hide and I'm not a revolutionary.
>why don't you trust Google? they give you EVERYTHING you need for free, what do you want? to pay for it or something? and then complain it's not free?
As the old saying goes, if everything given to you is free, then *you* are the product.
And I don't like that feeling of being willful cattle.
wait... do you have to type in the captcha or not? if you do then why do you think google's getting your information? it's the same thing as a normal captcha. if you're checking the box and that's all, then you must be somehow logged into google with a 'burner' account or something.
>So generate an identity that's not unique. Problem solved.
Not the same person, but lel,
Firstly, it is pretty difficult to generate a non-unique fingerprint.
>A few days ago, Google has introduced a new version of ReCaptcha, theorically allowing most users to complete it by only ticking a checkbox. If the user isn't deemed as human by Google, the old version with distorted text appears. [...]
> Google servers will receive and process, at least, the following information:
>- Screen resolution
>- Execution time, timezone
>- Number of click/keyboard/touch actions in the <iframe> of the captcha
>- It tests the behavior of many browser-specific functions and CSS rules
>- It checks the rendering of canvas elements
>- Likely cookies server-side (it's executed on the www.google.com domain)
>- And likely other stuff...
>You can look at the decompiled bytecode for more precision.
That's pretty much enabling them to uniquely identify your system. Whether you view this as unacceptably risky when posting on 4chan, depends on how much you have to hide.
True. I think that people are only just now noticing it because now it looks fancier and thus 'more nefarious'.
However, /g/ had been applying the 'botnet' criticism to the old version of recaptcha as well, as the ability of the recaptcha to be used for fingerprinting like in >>45548114, is actually mentioned in the /g/ wiki.
Pic from same page.
>That's pretty much enabling them to uniquely identify your system. Whether you view this as unacceptably risky when posting on 4chan, depends on how much you have to hide.
No, No, No It does not depend on what I have to hide!
It is another invasion of your privacy and that's all.
Depends on how far they are willing to go. For example, if they tie your IP address to a specific home address and then kick in your door for some reason, you might argue, "you have it wrong, you can't prove it was me".
But then if they have your web browsing environment fingerprinted, then they have actually pin it to your specific PC or mobile device or whatever, and be all like, "Well, can you explain why the fingerprint is exactly matching a result that your device uniquely delivers?"
For example, how many bits of information do they gather from doing browser-specific functions and rendering of canvas elements? They can render text or WebGL scenes to a canvas element and then they are enhancing the uniqueness of the result since that means that even the behaviour of your graphics card can be used in making a very unique fingerprint.
Well, I agree that it's an invasion of privacy, I'm just saying that sometimes people tolerate it. But generally speaking, of course it is undesirable and none of this ought to be happening in the first place.
A lot of work is going to need to be done to combat the use of environment fingerprinting, especially since Google has clearly begun to just openly use it in front of everyone's face.
Google Analytics, versus Google fingerprinting your environment, are two very different kinds of problem though.
The mainstreaming of the latter is a problem that is not simple to solve, and at the present moment actually cannot be solved. Hence why people are panicking a little at the belated realisation of this being possible. Their panicking is not actually unreasonable.
Further to >>45548525, here's an example:
>Tying the browser more closely to operating system functionality and system hardware means that websites have more access to these resources, and that browser behavior varies depending on the behavior of these resources. We propose a new system Fingerprint, inspired by the observation above: render text and WebGL scenes to a <canvas> element, then examine the pixels produced. The new Fingerprint is consistent, high-entropy, orthogonal to other Fingerprints, transparent to the user, and readily obtainable. [...] We exhibit a new system Fingerprint based on browser font and WebGL rendering. To obtain this Fingerprint, a website renders text andWebGL scenes to a <canvas> element, then examines the pixels produced. Different systems produce different output, and therefore different Fingerprints. Even very simple tests such as rendering a single sentence in a widely distributed system font produce surprising variation. [...] [T]he possibility of Fingerprinting might be an unavoidable consequence of browsers' closer ties to operating system functionality and system hardware.
Nah, the old one probably collected less data. I highly doubt it tracked your mouse movement; for example. I'm pretty sure it logged my posts somewhere, but I doubt it did all this. >>45548114
ccd0 said he was going to work on a way to use noscript and 4chan x so hopefully that'll save us.
What evidence do you have that the old one does all of the same stuff as the new one? The reason I believe the new one does new fancy business is because by design, it must track you in some additional ways to prove that you aren't a bot. And there's the github page above that shows this. It's reasonable to conclude that the old one tracked you in some way, but not the same way that this new one does. It works differently.
>I don't have stuff to hide
when people point out the stupidity of this statement, do you just ignore it?
if you had a bb gun, but let the gov search your house for actual guns, you are now highlighting who actually has guns. those who open their trunks to let cops search them might as well open their other trunks, because when they've got all the guns rounded up, they go for people who have bb guns and crowbars and other bullshit.
if you take a wet noodle stance to your right to privacy do not be surprised when it drops out from under you.
always makes me laugh
"personal info" like this is what the internet is all about. It's supposed to remain anonymous and only the content of the post matters, not the poster.
>giving ISP real info aside from address (at which point if someone tries to find you, you can pretend to be mom, brother, dad, etc)
>not paying cash and using your credit card
you fucking pleb