Why haven't you backed /g/'s offical tablet yet? >Made

Tablets are useless.

>>45447663
>Full blown computers are useless

>>45447630
>x86
Can I install Windows 8.1 on it?

Because tablets are useless devices for faggots so lazy they can't even sit at a desk or type on a real keyboard because they can't get off the ground and get to a comfortable typing position

>>45447672
wat
I hope you're being paid to justify saying stupid shit.

>>45447630
Whats the size, cpu,resolution,memory,space and batterytime on it? Also what's the cost for it?

>>45447681
Yeah even though it'd be really stupid to do so

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>jolla oy

>>45447672
>tablet
>full blown computer

kek

>>45447630
>offical
disgusting

>same size and resolution screen as the iPad mini
>SoC that draws more power
>smaller battery
>doesn't have a digitizer for handwriting/drawing
>manufactured at Foxconn

No one can list a single reason to purchase this over the other dime a dozen chinese tablets out there.

>>45447689
pic related

>>45447689
1.8ghz quad core intel
2gb ram
about 8 hours

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>>45447713
Whoops

>>45447694
Why is it stupid, fucking shill?

>>45447663
I really don't understand how tablets became such a big thing. When I saw the iPad I thought it would surely fail. I mean it's just an oversized smartphone.

>>45447732
>Willingly wanting to use a propietary software
top kek

>tablet

You have your answer.

>>45447725
Screen is 2048 x 1536 with 330pixels per freedom

>>45447682
You can use a tablet on a desk with a real keyboard if you want.

>>45447761
You can also put square or stone wheels on your car if you want.

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>>45447732
>shilling
>for a free operating system

>>45447733
I have yet to meet somebody who actually knows what to do with one aside from surfing the internet

>>45447694
No you can't this contains a Z3580, which is a Moorefield SoC with a locked down piece of shit PowerVR GPU designed for Android/Linux. BayTrail is the Windows SoC.

>>45447732
Because windows is stupid you fucking asshat. Look up what the word shill means and stop embarrassing yourself. Why the fuck would you buy something open source and GNU compliant only to put a shitty trainwreck of shit onto it? Jesus fucking christ you're fucking stupid.

>>45447775
>>45447772
You guys do know that the tablet won't be
"free", right ? So "shilling" is an appropriate meem for this situation.

>>45447797
Yeah which is why Jolla contributes to the Nemo OS project repos constantly and sailfish is literally Nemo with their own skin
>>45447770
You can also use a laptop with a mouse.

>>45447772
it's only free if your users are worthless.

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>>45447630
>X230

>>45447831
umad

>>45447775
>Windows is stupid
>but Android isn't
Get a load of this 12 year old

>>45447911
>Android
>GNU
Get a load of this 12 year old

>>45447773

This.

You can type down 1000 reasons to own a tablet, but it wont change the fact that if you EVER see one in use its
>browsing the net
>playing mobile games

>>45447733
the ipad was just that. but now, tablets are becoming more powerful than many comsumer laptops

>>45447954
This could easily run Crysis with Wine and xwayland

>>45447939
That's all most people do with their computers and tablets are much cheaper, take up significantly less space, are mobile. You computer guys sure aren't that good at applying that logic you love to talk about to real life situations.

>>45447993

We know thats what the casuals use it for, but who the fuck are these people going on the net and defending tablets against people who obviously care to atleast have the freedom to do more on their devices?

If I were to go on facebook and say to some tard that their ipad is only good for facebook/9gag and shit gaming, they would go into a several page long rant on just HOW TERRIBLY WRONG I AM.

Nobody would say "yeah and thats the only things I use it for", even though its true.

>>45447773
I take meeting notes from it and use it to draw/map out ideas that I have.

I also use it very often for email while I'm between meetings and in coffee shops as it's much more convenient than using my phone or whipping out a laptop.

Also, believe it or not. I find myself creating and editing documents with it these days as well.

>proper office suites are now a thing on tablets
>stylus makes it very easy to navigate

>inb4 samshit, I got it cheap

>>45447733
it does have some strong points:
>more portable than laptop
>quicker to use than a laptop
but yeah, all in all: it's a luxury item.

>>45448069
So are smartphones, but the difference is that they do more than iOS and Androne tablets

>>45448069

The point at which it becomes an extreme luxury item is when you have a good smartphone anyway.

A laptop+smartphone leaves no spot for a tablet, they cover all fronts unless, somehow, someway, screen estate is what you need in the casual tasks you do...

>>45448099
Isn't the reason why tablets don't replace laptops because they use a phone OS? Nemo is basically full linux

>>45448128
no, tablets don't replace laptops because using a tablet is something that housewives or bored out teenagers do. real work gets done on a real machine with a real keyboard.

>>45447663
Personally I like the idea of Windows tablets. Especially when they also come with active digitizers.

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>>45448143
????????????????

>>45448094
well, true.

but that being said, using it at home to look up things is more comfy than using your phone. my mother uses one while cooking these days. and that seems more comfy than having your laptop in the kitchen/living room/etc.

but that's why i said, it's a luxury item. the people who delude themselves into thinking they absolutely NEED aren't thinking it through.

>>45448149
yes because hauling around two seperate pieces of hardware, that have a clumsy mechanism to work together, is super convenient
3/10 did kek a little

>>45447630
I already have.

Sure, it's niche and the native applications are fucking crap as far as I remember. But I have faith in Jolla and Sailfish OS. It needs to start somewhere and their OS is actually really good. I've tried it on my old Nexus 4 and unfortunately the app selection, the quality of the native apps and the app store in general sure as fuck isn't anything to write home about, but the multitasking was top notch, I loved the look of it, and the gesture based stuff was actually quite innovative.

So I'll see how this one turns out. Since the N4 couldn't have Alien Dalvik installed, maybe this is even far better than the N4 port by far. If it sucks balls I'll simply forget about it. It's not like I don't have the money to buy another one.

>>45448175
Even better than alien dalvik you could simply run wine since this is x86

>>45448128

Fact is, tablets ARE replacing laptops for those who really dont have any additional uses than basic internet needs.

Anyone else will not want one due to
>lack of feedback from controls
>lack of power from hardware
>lack of battery time due to size
>lack of compatibility due to missing connections
>lack of screen size/estate due to small form factor


If I wanted to just read off an excel sheet in 2 minutes, that might work for a tablet, if I wanted to write an excel sheet that takes 4 hours to do - I'd rather kill myself than do it on a 10" screen, with pathetic keyboards with no ergonomics.

A stylus can help with the controls - but is a bother in and by itself, as it is immedietly less comfy to use a tablet quickly if I have to hold something in my other hand too.

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>>45448174
The Thinkpad Helix comes pretty close to my perfect tablet PC. I would just like it to be a tad bigger, like 12,5" and have a 3:2 display. The keyboard is great and they could add another one that is a bit thicker but has 2 USB, a VGA, a HDMI and an Ethernet port. Also an extended battery. Windows 8 is a step in the right direction. Having a special UI and programs optimized for tablet use and a "normal" Windows underneath it to use it as a laptop.

>>45448278
too bad microshit is shitting it on windows 10

>>45448301
What do you mean, you still get to choose if you want Mini Metro or Full Metro.

Does nobody make good 9+ inch tablets anymore, want to buy one but cant justify buying something barely bigger than a phone

>>45448325
Surface Pro 2&3, Galaxy Note 12.2.

>made in finnland
OH FUGG :DDD
OUR TABLET
OUR GUYS :DD XDD

>>45447733

because it's like a laptop, but you can fit it into anything

I'd like tablets too if they made some sort of actual keyboard addon for them that would allow them to stand on their own

They don't say a thing about the bootloader, do they?
If I'd buy one of these I would definitely want to install some of muh Gentoo

Dead on arrival.

This is the tablet version of Ouya.


Big promises and a lot of hot air.

Ignore.

>>45448340
>Galaxy

>>45447630
>Made in finland rather than chinkland
Nope.jpg - They're still made in chinkland despite the design being done in Finland

>Full GNU compliant OS
Not exactly relevant if you're not trying to use it as some kind of laptop replacement.

>x86-64
You speak as if this was a positive thing in a tablet...

>Wayland
Once again, you speak of this as if it was a positive thing. Wayland is to userland as what SystemD is to kernelspace.

>Cheap
If you compare it to considerably bigger tablets yes, but it's not that cheap in it's own size category.

>FOSS
Once again, as if this was a plus for anyone except freetards.

>Runs androne apps with alien dalvik
So why not just go round this and get an equivalent Android tablet?

>>45448396
Jolla is ruined due shit hardware. Their OS however is brilliant and way better than iOS or Android, I truly wish they had money to move to high end hardware

>>45448396
>The same people that made the N9 the official /g/ phone
>They already have a product in the market that has proven to be good
xDDDD it's Ouya 2 guys!!!

>>45448476
Why isn't x86-64, libc support or wayland a good thing? It has support to every single legacy application and it's very easy to port stuff to the system

Also runs steam in theory already

>>45448513
this

I bought a couple of the microcenter cheapo tablets($60 for 7", $100 for 8") and was very excited by it. They were both bay trail quad core atoms, and were very responsive. Both had full USB port(8" has usb3) and I was able to easily get several different linux distros installed and tested before I ultimately returned them(the tablet itself had hardware issues).

x86 might make tablets useful IMO, but we need more/better touch support across distros.

>>45447698
>>45447685
Umm guys technically, they can do anything your desktop can do, ofcourse they have lower specs but that doesnt make them any less of computers

>>45448655
Where the fuck did you get a 60 dollar bay trail tablet?

>>45447630
>Made in finland rather than chinkland

Designed in Finland, but manufactured where?

>>45447713
I guess the only reason would be the OS. Jolla is an OS company, not a manufacturer, so that's their main attraction

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>>45448672
microcenter

Seriously though, the display is absolute garbage. The 8" display is quite nice though(still 1280x800).

http://www.microcenter.com/product/439773/TW700_Tablet_-_Black

>>45448688
The hardware is absolutely amazing though, the iPad Mini has the highest resolution screen in anything

>>45447630
>Full GNU compliant OS
>EULA is proprietary

>>45448695
Jesus christ we are in an age that full blown windows devices are cheaper than a meal out

>>45448696
>The hardware is absolutely amazing though,
Holy fuck, no it isn't.

>>45448707
>highest available screen
>quad core 1.8ghz x86
>actually runs gnu

>>45448735
>glorifying a powersucking Atom
Stop talking about things you don't understand. The hardware is nowhere near amazing.

>>45448513
>x86-64
Those chips are much more power hungry than equivalent ARM chips and the only reason they're cheap is because Intel is selling them at a loss in an attempt to gain more marketshare in mobile. Let's not forget that most mobile applications are written with ARM in mind from the get-go.

>libc, Wayland
Like I said, if you're going to be porting over your desktop applications you might as well use a laptop. Let's not forget how well Wayland has been put together and people hate it.

>>45448754
Are you dumb or just pretending? Atom tablets compete directly with ARM tablets in power consumption

>>45448696
Yeah, the hardware is impressive. I'm this faggot >>45448655 The new atoms are fucking great chips. Our firewall/router at work has a c2758(octacore @ 2.4GHz) on pfsense and it's crazy how powerful it is for being so small, fanless and having little power requirements.

I'm looking forward to 'the perfect' x86 tablet...

>quad or octa atom ~2.0GHz
>USB3 port
>microSD slot
>FUCKING MSATA INSIDE so we can upgrade
>upgradable ram, and supporting >2GB
>64bit EFI
>7-9" with ppi ≥250

>>45448735
The Z3580 Quad SoC barely beats a 2 year old Snapdragon 600 and gets thrashed by current ARM SoCs. It uses a stupid amount of power as well with shit standby times.

>>45448767
>Let's not forget how well Wayland has been put together and people hate it.
>people hate it.
I guess you are just a consumer enthusiast instead of a developer

>>45448777
>C2758
>20W TDP

> Atom tablets compete directly with ARM tablets in power consumption
It was already abundantly clear that you were talking out of your ass, you don't need to keep driving the point home.
intel's current Atom chips are not even in the same category in terms of power consumption with ARM chips. Their idle and load power consumption is drastically higher.

>>45448754
Yeah man, these aren't netbook atoms from 5 years ago, they are really nice chips. They do OoO execution, some have turbo boost or quickassist or AESNI, are 64bit, come in dual, quad, and octa configurations and use very little power relative to their processing ability. What do you think intel has been working on the last few years? Certainly not improving performance on the desktop chips; they've been getting dat low TDP.

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>>45448806
[citation needed] retard

>>45448814
>implying implications like a stupid faggot
I know exactly what the performance and power consumption figures of Baytrail and Merrifield are, ironic shitposting won't change the facts.

>>45448804
What are you saying? C2758 is not a mobile chip. This is on a supermicro mini-itx board in a 1U rackmount. ~20W TDP is pretty fucking good for what this device does. A lot of people build their firewalls with iX or Xeons, and they easily use more than 20W.

>>45448735
>highest available screen
A slightly higher PPI than the Nexus 10, but that's really all we know at this point

>quad core 1.8ghz x86
Going on about "muh coars" and "muh gigahurtz" is hardly a good measure of performance. You'd have thought /g/ would have gotten wise after AMD went that road and as a result fell behind Intel pretty badly when they went after IPC instead.

>actually runs gnu
Can't say that's much of an advantage when desktop applications designed for keyboard and (possibly) mouse use aren't that practical to use in a mobile device.

>>45448837
>posting vague intel marketing slides as if they're in any way factual

Really, nigger?

>>45448868
If you want real data the Chinkpad 8 has 9 hours of battery life with real life usage

>>45448851
>ironic shitposting
lolwut

>>45448799
The fact that something is easy to work with for developers doesn't make any good for end users...

>>45448868
Also that graph was made when the Quad Core Galaxy S3 was just out and it just barely beats it according to the graph. 2 years later and the Atom is absolutely hopeless.

>>45448894
>Oh no I have to use FOSS drivers that are already bundled in the kernel instead of going through the hassle of installing propietary blobs
>Oh no I don't have to edit xorg.conf every time I touch my pc because otherwise it breaks
>Oh no my windows aren't lagging anymore

>>45448837
>> no axis labels neither units
Top kek

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>>45448891
>Talking about tablet and smartphone tier chips
>B... b... b... but muh chinkpad!

>>45447630
>x86-64
>not MIPS

doesn't sound very /g/ to me.

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>>45448929
Did you post that image for yourself lmao

>>45448915
>Point out that the end users have had shitloads of issues
>But hey! It's really great for us developers!
>Go on to talk about editing xorg.conf when we're talking about tablets
Do you have ADD or something?

Can I run Civilization V on it?

>>45448973
probably

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>>45448891
>Chinkpad 8 has 9 hours of battery life with real life usage
Right...

>>45448929
holy shit anon you are fucking retarded

a tablet that runs linux and have a keyboard so it can be used as a laptop if needed is basically what I'm looking for, I'm just not sure this thing is what I want yet.

>>45447773
use shitty apps to waste time

>>45448961
You do realize the chinkpad tablet is more of a netbook with a touch screen rather than a regular tablet? It's a good 30% heavier than the regular iPad and still doesn't have the same battery life. It's also $600 so it's also price wise up there with the iPad.

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Obviously the /g/ tablet is the HP Stream 7. Runs a full desktop OS, costs $99, can actually be user repairable (literally some screws, the service manual can be easily found) and /g/ has already proven itself to jizz over cheap HP tablets in the past.

You might even be able to bang GNU/Linux on it although you would of course have to really live by the "freedom, not convenience" mentality.

>>45449074
tablets are basically touchscreen netbooks without a keyboard

>>45449109
Not arm-based ones, which is like 95%.

So no

>>45449074
Realize it? That's the reason why it is better than other tablets.
>I'll use the products USP to insult your intelligence

>>45449105
How does it run Windows 8 with 1GB of ram?

>>45449105
no video out
sub par battery life
1gb of ram, 32-bit os
no gnu/linux

the only thing its got is the price.
2/10

>>45449146
Reasonably well if the video reviews are to be believed.

>>45449105
>horrendously small battery
>yet another powersucking Atom chip, with even worse performance
>iGP so pathetic it struggles in 2D workloads at native res

Its a pile of shit.

>>45449201
samsung pls go

>>45449230
intel plz go

>>45449161
>no video out
Well there are if you're adventurous enough to buy a USB OTG to HDMI cable, otherwise fair point.
>sub par battery life
Compared to Android tablets, not too far off the mark, and people on /g/ can't even think about buying iPads without vomiting blood.
>1gb of ram, 32-bit os
1gb of RAM is sufficient surprisingly, and you know most of the shit that /g/ does (programming foobar in obscure languages) doesn't use that much RAM, and why would you have the 64-bit edition with only 1GB RAM? And what are you going to do on a $99 tablet that requires 64-bit? Fair enough it should take full advantage of the specs it does have, but I don't think it is the end of the world.
>no gnu/linux
Well then you wouldn't like any tablet then, because you probably use bash 98% of the time and terminal emulation on a tablet? Really?

>the only thing its got is the price.
Yes, and /g/ loves shit that is cheap and barely functional in the present time. $99 on a eBay Thinkpad or this, I know which one I'd rather pick.

Jolla is a retarded company, they only ship to a few countries'

>>45449249
> /g/ loves shit that is cheap and barely functional
Well lets see
>beat up super old thinkpads
>$10 casio watches
>the moto g

You may be on to something. I'm sure in a couple weeks there will be daily threads declaring this pile of shit as the official tablet of /g/. I guess when you're a welfare dependent NEET you flock to anything cheap and then post about it on 4chan to make yourself feel better about making a terrible purchase.

>>45449105
Oh yeah and it has a microSD card slot, /g/ loves microSD card slots.

>>45449249
>usb otg to hdmi
doesn't exist. it's called mhl and is not supported.

a 3 hour battery is not average.

1gb of ram is not sufficient for a bloated windows 8.1 + bing (c)

a tablet should be a laptop replacement, if it doesn't run gnu/linux or at least a chroot its not something i'm going to buy

Die tablet scum

>>45449312
Well you're either on one side of the same coin. It's just how much money are you willing to put down on something that no one else cares about, whether you get the HP, the Jolla, Thinkpad or the iPad it doesn't matter, if you're a twat you're going to end up on /g/ trying to furiously justify your purchases (or lack thereof) anyway.

Me? I'm just being realistic with my choice of "official tablet of /g/" according to the same reasons you pointed out.

>>45449201
Can your shitty shitsung with shit ARM subCPU run Crysis at 30fps?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeRXxmVxUX0

Just like I thought.

>>45449230
>>45449377
>mentions samsung when the post they're quoting didn't in anyway

You shills sure are fucking desperate.

>>45449325
>a 3 hour battery is not average.
I'd like to see that source, if it is one of those battery stress test programs then I don't want to know because obviously the battery wasn't going to last long.

>1gb of ram is not sufficient for a bloated windows 8.1 + bing (c)
Seems to be though, again can I get a source or is the source "what I reckon".

>a tablet should be a laptop replacement, if it doesn't run gnu/linux or at least a chroot its not something i'm going to buy
I mean it might do, but GNU/Linux struggles to be supported on many laptops, let alone consumer electronics.

>>45449395
>being this buttmad of your shit CPUs

>>45449105
Eh, never used linux for the freedom aspect. I just like how the system is organized and how programs are managed.

Currenlty on Debian... which doesn't have a chance of hell of having any sort of support on a tablet.

You would have to go Ubuntuard or don't bother.

>>45449397
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoPNzx8bcVQ

>linux struggles to be supported on many laptops
citation needed. gnu/linux works on every laptop ever made.

>>45447630
>DESIGNED in Finland, MADE in Chinkland
>You can install Ganoo/Loonix on any wangblows tablet
>implying that's a feature
>Implying wayland is good
>implying it's cheap compared to other chinktablets
>running lagdroid apps

>>45449428
>Chrome and Minecraft required more RAM
Stop the fucking presses. I think RAM usage is a problem with Chrome anyway and only a few years ago it wasn't even worth your time checking if games worked on lower end hardware, the fact that minecraft could even get over 1fps is pretty amazing when you put it into perspective.

>Battery life 5-6 hours, twice your claim

Well, got anything else?

>>45449519
my atom n455 can run minecraft better using ubuntu.
idle battery life != usable battery life. i'll wait for notebookcheck's review to get a solid number.

i got the hp touchpad on firesale a few years ago. while the idea of full blown windows is tempting it's fundamentally flawed and is not designed for power users/sysadmins/any one who wants to do real work.

>>45448476
Dumbest post of the day award

>>45449610
>my atom n455 can run minecraft better using ubuntu.
Why do I get the feeling that's bullshit for the sake of argument?

>any one who wants to do real work.
Well that's why you have a desktop PC. Again we're not talking about the perfect, all-in-one device, such a thing would be well over a $1000. We are talking about /g/ and if we ignore the freetards (because frankly they are impossible to please anyway, that's why they keep changing distro and arguing with each other about which distribution is the best rather than recognizing that all are designed to fit a certain purpose), then I think the HP wins it. You can run compilers on it and it's affordable to anyone on /g/ and that my friends are two things most of /g/ finds agreeable.

You can program in Rust on the bus home, and you can still afford your anime figurines.

this is gold mr bond

>>45449706
as a tablet it does ok, as a laptop replacement it fails.

sure the price is right but it is gimped; locked down bios, 1gb of ram, tiny screen.

its nice that hp makes such an affordable device, i don't speak for the masses or for /g/ but i was not impressed with the performance, screen size or battery life.

gimme core m with 2gb of ram and a normal efi bios.

>>45449833
Well fingers crossed for next year because I'd be all over that.

>>45447773
I have one for the sole purpose of putting textbooks on it.

looks bad

Why does everyone talk about wayland why it's a good thing?

>>45451085
It's the best thing that has happened to linux since the GPL

>>45451094
How? Because someone else told you that?

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>all these android cucks shilling for sub 330ppi screens
It's like you want eye cancer

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Cum inside I have a *hand*job for you.

>>45447630
because its 8 inch, I see no point of devices that are 8 inch or similar screen size, either release a phone or a proper 10 inch tablet, not something in between.

>>45451117
X11 is a huge hack, every single thing added onto it has been an extension to other extensions, the simple fact that we have hardware acceleration in X11 is a miracle

In the other hand Wayland was designed from the ground up to be fast, clean and simple to use and maintain

>Jolla tablet is shit
>Nokia N1 is shit
>both have incredibly similar specs
>both made at Foxconn
>but for some reason the Jolla tablet needed a crowdfunding campaign

Yeah, fuck you faggots. The people at Jolla are absolute fucking scum.

>>45451153
Consumer electronics shill detected :^)

>>45451117
Because it actually works, unlike X which is just a bunch of hacks on top of other hacks.

>>45451127
Joke's on you my tablet has a 360 ppi screen.

>>45451085
>>45451117
you must be completely retarded

>>45449833
This. It's crippled.

>/g/'s official tablet.
>Sailfish OS.

lolno

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>>45449833
2GB, 64 bit UEFI, changeable to legacy bios, 130 USD

>>45449325
>if it doesn't run gnu/linux or at least a chroot its not something i'm going to buy

>Im impatient and i wont wait for devs to port GNU/Linux for a relatively new device that recently launched.

FTFY

>>45451269
just get the jollapad :^)

>>45447733
That's the entire point of Tablets: to use phone features in locations where having a big screen isn't an inconvenience. Of course I feel like tablets now are starting to take on laptops running full operating systems

>>45448695
I'm still waiting for cheapo 3:2 1080p windows tablets for eroge.
I don't want to wait another 2 years before moving off VDI/remote display.

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>>45452223
You can already play your eroges on android tablets.

>>45447733
Tablets are far better at consumption (reading books, watching movies, playing light games) tasks than even the lightest laptops. They're alright for some lighter work, too (notetaking and highlighting in digital textbooks come to mind). They're also finding uses in music production as virtual switchboards and on the road scratchpads (there are full-fledged DAWs available for the iPad).

In some cases they're also just more comfy than a laptop could possibly be (smaller, lighter, noiseless, and the good ones very rarely get hot) and they can function as a nice quick fallback if you're out somewhere and your laptop's battery has died.

I will never advocate them as a replacement for laptops (what MS is doing is just retarded) but they're not bad devices to have at your bedside or in your bag.

>>45452370
>babby's first VN that everyone read 6 years ago

>>45452370
Most engines are such hacks that I doubt they've been ported or can be emulated.
How are you playing that?

>>45452563
Chinese have made a working port of the kirikiri 2 engine. I've finished couple of VNs on my phone and it has worked fine.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.tvp.kirikiri2&hl=fi

I'm really on the fence with the Jolla Tablet atm. I want a Jolla product to try out on one hand, but I really want Jolla 2 more than a tablet. Although the tablet isn't inexpensive, I don't really want a tablet altogether when I have convertible laptop already to do work and getting a big screen media consumption device even at that low of a price seems iffy.

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>>45447672
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>>45452622
I can also do everything a computer can do my simulating a von Neumann machine in my head.

>>45447733
>apple releases shit products
>apple shill will buy it no matter what

Apple products just won't fail.