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Old one is dead so it's ThinkPad General time again!

My question to you guys: is it realistic for me to purchase an X230 (tablet or not) on ebay/whatever and expect a 100% working machine for at least two-three years?
The reason is that I'm far away from 'Merica so if something goes wrong, the warranty and the returns will be out of the question. (unless US Lenovo warranty will work in russia - I highly doubt it)
Is it naive or there is a chance?
Where should I buy it from?
Also, if you know: what part breaks/has faults most often or earliest in the X230?
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bumpaloo
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>>45335692
Yes. Many Thinkpads easily last 10+ years. The X220/X230 is not quite as sturdy in my experience but five years should still be a non-issue.

Expect the display to develop white spots if it's an IPS though. Hard drives also tend to fail more easily especially if they are the 7mm variety often found in the X230. An SSD will make that a non-issue.
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>>45335948
I expect hard drives, RAM and batteries to fail or degrade over time, of course. My biggest concern was the display and the motherboard, because I won't be able to find quick replacements for them. But I was planning to switch to SSD as soon as possible (for both speed and shock "resistance").
Five years sound fine for me. Thanks!
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I have a 20 year old Thinkpad that stll works. So yes, they can last a very long time.
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>>45335692
I'm typing this from a T61p I got for cheap. If it's keyboard breaks I have a reserve one, battery crapped out but I had it replaced, threw more RAM in it and changed the HDD to an SSD. Fairly capable for being my "lazily lying on the couch watching stuff, shitposting on 4chan or masturbating" machine.
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Can't deceide between a x201 i5 560m and a x220 i5 2520m /g/entooman. How much battery life can i expect from both with 9 cell batteries and moderate use like surfing and working on documents with win7? Is the x201 display really that shitty? I want to upgrade from my netbook as daily carry and need at least 8hr of battery time
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>>45336190
But that ThinkPad was made in the golden age of the brand, so it's expected for it to last a long time. I don't see people complaining about them [anymore], contrary to the new ones which don't seem to survive for long.
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Continuing the OP:
What's the good price for mid-tier new/mint X230? I've found http://www.ebay.com/itm/LENOVO-X230-THINKPAD-TABLET-i7-3520M-MULTI-TOUCH-4GB-PREM-HD-343524U-/151443591176
But I think it's too expensive even for a new i7 model (also a fuck ton for shipping, bummer). Or is it not a bad price?
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>>45337072

Fucking americunts, seriously, why is the information technology market in America so much larger than here in Europe?

>mfw
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My first thinkpad comes today!!!!
X61 with 3gb, 120 GB PNY SSD, and 9cell battery.

The fucking charger won't come till Friday but I'll prolly go by best goy and get one of those universal chargers and then return it.
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Is the t61/x61 still acceptable for on the go programming and muh mongolian claymation, or should I shell out more on something like a X201/T410. Don't want to be spending any money on a laptop, and the X61/T61 seem to be the chepaes acceptable-ish option.
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>>45337107
I'm an idiot meant to say t61
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Guys, why do you even thinkpad ?

E6520 Latitude here, 3 years and a half and still at top. Change i3 to i7QM, and SSD'ed tho.
It is robust, upgradable, have a fucking (black) trackball and not ugly as shit.
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>>45337106
Because American capitalism is the best
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>>45337161
But the population of the usa is nearly 50% less than that of europe! I guess it's just tje american consumerism that is the cause for ebay not being able to come up with at least one european seller under search results.

Anyways, x200 owner reporting in!
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>>45337219

oh and look me up on fb if you wish... its already too late now
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>new laptop keeps shutting down randomly
>at a loss to know what's up
>finally realize my magnetic bracelet was fucking with the reed switch
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>>45337345
They're korean you racist fuck.
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>>45337363

big deal, still untermensch
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>>45337072
Bumperdoo!
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>>45336282
I have a x220 with i7 2640m and a 9 cell battery. I get like 5-7 hours depending on use
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So which model of used ThinkPad do you guys recommend for around $200, that's portable and not shit. Of course, I'm not looking to play games on it - it's for diagnostics/penis testing and anime.
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>>45337464
see >>45337219
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>put thinkpad to sleep
>press keyboard key to wake it up
>key press is repeated for infinite until I press it again


How do I fix this?
(for the record I have a mech hooked up to my T420)
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>>45336282
I have a x201, i5, 8GB ram , 250GB ssd 9 cell I get all form 4-8hrs, I dont see nothing wrong with the screen.
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What do you think about the X1 carbon ? I am thinking about grabbing one for my studies (it and shit).
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>>45337107
My X61T plays 720p burmese wallpaintings without a problem, not counting the battery drain or the burning lap
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>>45337513

Is the battery official Lenovo or generic?
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>>45337130
shameless self-bumping

After a bit of thinking, I believe that you like it because hurr my laptop is so cubic ima e1337e look dat trackball i dont use mice olo good keyboard, did ya chck my riced i3?
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is the lenovo yoga pro 3 best thinkpad right now?
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>>45337537
with the official 9 cell I get around 4-5hrs, the one I can get up to 8hrs Is some I got from ebay for $30ish works great.
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>>45337544
More like Lelnovo.
Because it's not even a thinkpad.
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>>45337539

>trying to hard to bait, that you bump your previous bait, with more bait
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>>45337552
but the yoga pro 3 seems to have best features and specs for the price, compared to other thinkpads, no?
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>>45337475
Wow, that's actually pretty good if it's in my price range. Thanks, /g/uy!
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>>45337480
unplug external
scroll lock
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I got a used ThinkPad X200 off Amazon and it literally stinks. The smell is strong and really unpleasant, and it's not burned plastic but more like glue. I was able to remove the smell from the case with alcohol wipes but the problem is that I get the same smell from behind the fan grill when I turn it on. What did they fucking do to it?

Regardless, did anyone here have a similar experience? Did the smell eventually go away?
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>>45337602
Yeah, let's discuss them here because they are clearly superior! Who gives a shit if the thread isn't about them.
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>>45337607
Okay, I unplugged my keyboard.
Then pressed the scroll lock key on the laptop
Then plugged back in the keyboard and put it to sleep.

Still loops the keypress.

Did I misunderstand your post?
Thanks by the way.
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>>45336282
Note that X200 have an CCFL backlight that can fail and I've had one do just that.
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>>45337652
Reset bios to stock then
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>>45337815
uhh... alright nevermind. I'll just deal with it.
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I found a T40 in my basement. Keyboard has missing keys. Is it worth buying new keys?
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>>45337888
yrs
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>>45337612

The smell comes with all the thinkpads, I like it actually :-)
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>>45337888
no. Too old to use
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>>45337559
not even bait, i just cant understand
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best thinkpad with digitizer?
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>>45338009
its too old to browse 4chan and learn C?
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>>45336297
The very newest models are somewhat less user-serviceable than before, especially the X240. Even with those, the real problem is that Lenovo borked the keyboard layout and the current touchpad sucks and gets in the way of properly using the trackpoint
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>>45338048
it will choke when browsing. You can learn C on it of course however
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>>45337428
I have this exact model and get similar battery life. Usually about 5 hours unless I go crazy with power management, but the battery is also pretty old
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>>45337937
What? I've had several ThinkPads before, a T61 being the latest, and none smelled like that even after staying in a box for a while. Unless you enjoy sniffing glue or bug spray you probably wouldn't like the smell.
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>>45338121
>it will choke when browsing
With Opera 12 on Linux it won't. Old Opera is way more responsive than Firefox/Chromium/other Webkit browsers on old hardware.
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>>45338113
Oh I've heard. But I've tried the X230 keyboard and I can definitely get used to it, even for programming. And it's still good for repairs and stuff, so I don't think it's bad.
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>Finds out you can set the Ultra-Nav nipple to click on pressure
>Find out Quicksync still works with Adobe Premiere Pro CC and this thing rips through video encoding

I-Is it wrong to love a laptop like a baby? Because I'm pretty much there man.
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>>45337106
>why is America the best?

Silly yuropoors, you already know why :^)
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>>45337612
thinkpad users aren't known for smelling good

this is what you get for buying a neckbeard computer
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>Get glorious E130
>"used" says Ebay
>package looks like it has been dragged behind the UPS truck all the way here
>laptop is unused, brand new, without a mark or even a finger stain

thank you based Lenovo
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>>45338158
Alright, I admit, sometimes I like to sniff the fan of my x200 until I pass out and wake up in a magical bubble land. It's a short trip, but the physics are completely different than in this world imo
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What thinkpad generally lasts the longest, in terms of display quality and hard drive failure? Basically, what's the sturdiest thinkpad?
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>>45338326
>Thinkpad Edge
>glorious

Is this a troll?
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>>45338364
600 and 700 series, many alive since the 90s
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>>45338364
Hard drive failure is not related to thinkpad quality, Lenovo doesn't make hard drives. And they're reliable as hell as long as you don't think it's indestructible.
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>>45335692
any britfags interested in buying an SXGA+ x61t?
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>>45338371

No. Can you name other 11.6" devices that have similar specs for similar price? All other same size keyboards are SHIT, only Clevo can match it and do better specs.
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I just bought a refurb x140e off of the lenovo outlet for $185. What is the general consensus on these babby thinkpads?

Shame I couldn't get a red one, but whatever.
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Thinkpad Yoga vs X230 Tablet?

Yoga has a higher res screen, is slimmer and slightly more powerful but also more expensive.
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>>45337612
My x200 smells just fine.

I guess it was because I bought it from a normal guy with social life, so it doesn't have cum crusts near the fan grill
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>>45337428
>>45337513
>>45337690

thanks for the input.
apart from the looks and the lid latch on the x201, is there a big difference in performance between the 2520m and the 560m assuming 8gb ram with both?
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>>45338530
Also shipped with 2gb of RAM which is lol worthy to me in 2014, but for the price I can't complain. Now they only have the dual core APU versions for $230+, so I think I got lucky. Damn thing is immaculate.
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>>45338562
I'm about to buy a Thinkpad Yoga, it looks good

But something is holding me back
Is the screen ghosting issue fixed ?
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>>45338660
Yes, the screen will be great if you're purchasing the brand new one.
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>>45338705
By the brand new one you mean the 14" ?
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I tend to go for a 3 month warranty, if you aggressively pursue any problems that arise in that time, it will probably make it for a few years if you don't throw it out of a window.
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>>45338708
No, just not a used 12.5".
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>>45338742
Do you have a link to an official statement that the issue has been fixed?

Is there a way to find out what models have the new fixed screen?

I also heard that the issue is getting worse over time so isn't it possible that a new model seems to have a screen without the issue but then it appears later?
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>>45338742
The reseller I'm currently looking at go them in september, I guess it's cool
I'm gonna buy one, thx
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>>45338796
Nope, just the forum posts and stuff. Google it and maybe you'll find something.
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Thinkpad X21 master race.
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>>45338828
T2x were better.
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>>45338608
My x201 runs Photoshop with 10+ tabs open without anyproblems.
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>>45338875
This baby just weights 1.2kg, so yeah, I love my X21

I'm thinking of buying an SD card to IDE to give her some SSD-like performance. My old IDE HDD Deathstar well, died.
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>>45338898
What do you run on it?
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>>45338898
FWIW, I have a KingSpec 32GB IDE SSD in my backup laptop (T23) and it works okay.
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>>45338916
I just use emacs on puppy linux.
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>>45337310
>>45337363
This is really funny.
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>>45338932
>IDE
>SSD
What's the point?
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>>45338995
>not running Win 2k on four SD cards in RAID-0
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>>45338995
IDE HDDs are getting old now.
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>>45339009
>running win2k
>>45339016
So is any hardware that anything to do with IDE anyway.
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>>45339025
What is your problem with Win2k ?
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>>45339025
>So is any hardware that anything to do with IDE anyway.
Yes, but HDDs fail more with age.
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So the Thinkpad Yoga has a 16GB SSD+500GB HDD

But is 16GB space even enough for Windows 8.1?
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>>45339047
Yes. Win8.1 uses like 5GB.
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>>45338898
wont work well, the board and the CPU limit the speed down to nowhere. Had the same problem with an x40, nearly no difference between mSata-SSD and the original hard drive
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>>45339047
No problem
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>>45339036
It's not POSIX.
>>45339038
So couldn't spinning IDE drives still be produced? I'm guessing some small business still use those instead of SAS or SATA.
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>>45339079
what is POSIX and how can I install it
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>>45339058
>>45339063
Doesn't 64bit Windows 8.1 require 20GB of space?
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>>45339058
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>>45339104
Portable Operating System Interface for UNIX. I.e. the one interface to rule them all. One interface to find them. One interface to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them.
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>>45339108
13.8 GB
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>>45338447
x120e
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I got the X230 tablet edition. After way too many experiences with shitty HP. I decided I needed something that would last more than a fucking year. Its just going on a year. I got the i7 model and installed an ssd. I finally feel like using a laptop doesn't come with limitations anymore. It feels almost as fluid as my desktop. For durability? I was worried at first about the single hinge design for the tablet version but it is very strong. My friend has the last model and has dropped it in mud puddles, thrown it on the ground. Basically mistreats it like a shit tier netbook but the thing is still going strong. I had an issue where water came in from the side on time. I got too impatient and turned it on 2 days later. There was still water somewhere cause the graphics would glitch out. Let it sit for a month looking into motherboard replacements. One day I thought screw it and turned it on again. Worked fine since. Its light weight and battery life of the battery still goes for at least 6 hours of use. I did buy it new. It set me back quite a bit but honestly I can say it was worth it. If I bought another shitty HP I would be looking at buying another laptop probably already so I see it as a long term investment.
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>>45339205
How much did you pay?
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>>45339232
I played around $1400 from lenovo at the time. There was some back to school deals at the time so I don't feel to salty about the price.
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>>45339274
How's the keyboard? It looks worse than the older design found on X200, X201 and X220.
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>>45339308
Its actually pretty comfortable to type on. But I wouldn't take that with a lot of merit. That is in comparison to HP's shitty attempts at keyboards. My friend that has the x220 said he liked my keyboard though. Keys at not super clicky. They have a decent amount of depth compared to newer laptops these days. I program more than I write though so I can't give too good of a review on the keyboard.

Tl;Dr I like it.
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What is a good price for a T430 with a discrete video card?
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>>45339205
Did you get 32GB of RAM?
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>>45339411
$210
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>>45335692
Why are thinkpads so badly rated (average 3/5 stars) on the official Lenovo website?
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>>45339421
The guide says around $450, but the ones with discrete video cards are $800-900 on eBay. I want to try to get the best deal that I can.
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>>45339460
why do you ask if you already have your answer
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>>45339417
No. I got 8 GB. That was just the price at the time.
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>>45339486
I don't have my answer. I asked what's a good price for it, not what prices I've seen on eBay over the past 10 days or so.
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>>45339449
Because new ThinkPads are bad, as everyone on /g/ says, lurk more.
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The mic I use is quite shitty and has a lot of 'built-in' noise. I use Realtek's noice cancellation on my desktop and it works well.

On my T61 with the Soundmax sound card and the noise cancellation options (Voice Enhancements/speakerpehone) on the driver don't do anything. Is there any way I can reduce the noise through any software without buying a new mic?
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>>45338562
The Yoga is not more powerful, it uses ULV CPU's while the X230t uses a standard voltage one. Also Yoga has soldered RAM, X230 does not. To access the hard drive in the X230 it takes one screw to get the hard drive door off and that's it. To get to the Yoga's you have to take off the whole back panel and undo several mounting screws. The battery in the X230 just slides out like normal, the Yoga's battery is "permanent." X230 has superior cooling to the Yoga. X230 doesn't expose sensitive parts of the machine while in tablet mode.

So, the Yoga is far less modular and less sturdy and it has lower battery life.

The "ThinkPad" Yoga has literally NOTHING in common with ThinkPads besides the name.
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>>45339449
People who (for the most part rightfully) aren't happy with the new keyboards and trackpoints. Keep in mind the people who rate new thinkpads 3-2 stars would rate any other laptop at 1
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>>45339583
That's not entirely true. It's more sturdy than the standard yoga, and it has the new TP keyboard, which while the layout may be crap the actual typing feel is an order of magnitude better than anything you'd get on another laptop coming out around now.

The Thinkpad Yoga is for people who wanted a convertible but also wanted an actually acceptable typing experience.

As far as buying a new, modern computer, it's pretty good. Although I'm still of the opinion that buying used from a while ago is better
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Reminder that ktg is kill

Fortunately, I compiled an excel spreadsheet (inb4 muh free software) with the prices, some specs and miscellaneous notes before he took it down. If anyone's interested I can share it for others to improve (a lot of blank cells that I haven't bothered to research)

Anyway, can anyone also tell me what WD HDD is the best for general storage for laptops? My T61p HDD caddy has just arrived and I'm looking to swap the paltry 60GB HDD it came with to a 256GB MX100 and add a 1TB HDD for storage. Eventually I'll upgrade it with 8GB RAM as well while praying the GPU doesn't implode
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>>45339754
>inb4 muh hitachi failure rate graph
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>>45339773
Coincidentally my current 60GB HDD is a Hitachi drive. I'd rather have a WD drive than a samshit or shitgate one
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>>45339754
I use 1 TB WD Blue (doesn't know the exact model, know that it has advanced format) in my t420 paired with mSATA SSD. Works micely, can't say anything bad about it. And I believe only blue ones have 1TB version, blacks are limited to 750GB AFAIK
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>>45339754
I use a WD7500LPCX, 750GB in my X220 because I needed a 7mm height one, but it also has low power consumption. It's also very cheap, $45 on Amazon right now. But they should both work in an Ultrabay hard drive caddy just fine.
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>>45339754
Yeah I saw that some days ago, how come ?
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Just won my refurb x201, first thinkpad ever!
How important is an SSD upgrade?
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How big is the difference in battery life between x220 and x230 with 6 cell battery. 22 nm ivy bridge realy works? Cant choose.
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>>45339895
Does it come with active protection? If it doesn't an SSD will help prevent data loss due to disk failure as a result of physical impact, as well as increase program load/booting times in general
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>>45339895
just like any other SSD upgrades.
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>>45339937
It does come with active protection:
http://www.lenovo.com/shop/americas/content/pdf/notebooks/ThinkPad/X-Series/X201-Tech%20Specs.pdf
(I got one with the M520 CPU)

>>45339939
Gonna work wonders then, def gonna get a cheap ssd.
Any special setup needed? gonna need to buy a special mounting bracket for the drive?
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>>45335692
Sup /g/
Matty here.

Just got this sweet piece of pad for 260$ shipped.
What are some good Thinkpads you guys bought?
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>>45339937
>>45339939
>>45340028
On the topic of SSDs, how does proper 2.5" SSD compare to mSATA (particularly in X230 case). Can I safely install an OS on it and boot from it as from a main drive? Or is it purely for cache/swap?
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>>45339379
Thanks. My next TabletPC will be either of X220t, X230t or X240t probably.
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hey guys on Arch, current kernel {3.17.3-1 i686) breaks resume from suspend to ram on several Thinkpad models (other laptops as well, but mainly on 32bit thinkpads).
its advised to stay on 3.17.2-1 for a while if you use suspend to ram.
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>>45340064
You should be able to boot from both sources AFAIK.
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>>45337612
kek
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>>45340064
Yes, you can. Bios handles it just like any other drive.
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>>45337612
im dont believe thats glue bro.
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>>45340098
I've read about that, but Lenovo said it isn't advised and should be used for caching only (but that sounds like straight up BS).

Anyway, thanks >>45340098 and >>45340115
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>>45340064
I'm using an mSATA in my X220t.
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>>45340143
How's the speed? Compares to the full-sized ones or worse? Any issues?
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My old R40 is still capable of booting after 11 years of usage, but i kinda use it as a monitor base\charging pad.

Too bad the battery is dead otherwise i would have kept using it.
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>>45340159
It should have the same exact specs as a regular 2.5" drive. If anything it's just slightly more power efficient.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7594/samsung-ssd-840-evo-msata-120gb-250gb-500gb-1tb-review/8

But the mSATA slot in Sandy Bridge ThinkPads is limited to SATA2 speeds, not sure if it was updated with Ivy Bridge or not. But the speed difference isn't noticeable anyways.

There is no issues, it works just as a regular drive.

>your face when ordinary 2.5" SSD
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>>45340228
Thanks!
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>>45339169
The E130 is literally an X130e without a rubber bumper lid
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>>45338389
My 755CE was made in 1994. I still use it almost daily.
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>>45338530
You overpaid for a shit Chinkpad. Congrats.
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>>45338530
Damn that's nice.

I sold a used X130e for $220 on eBay after a clean install of Windows 7.

X1xx series are disliked on /g/ because the guide says it sucks, so they shill about it without actually using it. Its decent, the keyboard is actually pretty good, not 600X quality but still pretty decent for a ThinkPad, believe me, I've tried a bunch of em as well. I'd say its as good as a T400.

An anon here said his X120e was gud with an AMD E350 CPU, I'd say I think so as well, as the X130e had a E450 and I was surprised it played Netflix well in full screen mode without stutter. Also it has two speakers on bottom instead of one so stereo sound is pretty nice compared to my mono X61.
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>>45340304
>>45340322

general opinion on my x201 purchase?
>>45340028
I feel like writing the price won't be comparable as I'm not American, it does come with a 1-year warranty though.
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>>45340502
X201 is a pretty great laptop. Definately approved as a real Thinkpad.
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are thinkpad fans loud? if so, are they replaceable?
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