>>45206762 Are you content with an idea of being farme while doing something where the information you pass on is not only completely needless to performed functions you do, but also is used for nothing but pure milking of unwitting users? Because I for sure am not.
Hey man, when you go take a poo poo, do you close the door? Or do you leave it open? Personally I like it closed, you know? Likewise, when I do the funny thing with my wee wee, I like to close the door, don't wanna get stabbed with wee wee in hand.
Ahh but you see, big bad man walked when I had wee wee in hand and said " I can help you with that, maybe use my hand?" I say no dad, not today
>>45206778 >>45206839 OP particularly stated that he does not talk about personal interactions, he talks about shit like RLZ and anti-terrorist tracking, that's an obvious no-brainer that while interacting personally with people every sane person excepts privacy.
>>45206762 I will give you the only relevant argument: law is not static, it is dynamic, everchanging.
What can you derive from that? What you're doing today, the political ideologies and opinions you hold, and so on, may be legal and socially acceptable right now. However, can you say with absolute certainty that your freedom of speech and thought will still exist and be protected in the future? Freedom of speech is not even a thing anymore, it's very restricted as it is. Say a tyrannical leader rose to power and outlawed having x opinion, and ordered the NSA to analyse their petabytes-large database in order to identify people with x opinions with the intent of inprisioning them. Do you think that's okay? To be put under scrutiny for no proper reason? To be locked up for something you did that was legal at the time?
This is merely an example, you could come up with a multitude of them following the same train of thought, and there are countless others that diverge from what I said as well.
Put yourself in their shoes for a second... they're only human, as are you, and thus, by no means perfect. They can be corrupted and use their power to blackmail influential figures in order to fullfil whatever agendas they may have. They can spread lies about you to undermine your public opinion and no one will question them because they have access to a nigh infinite pool of information.
Lastly, I do have things to hide, and so do most people. It doesn't make me a criminal, but neither does being autistic (no, I am not autistic), and the latter are more often than not ostracized from society. Surely you wouldn't feel comfortable being around a scat fetishist, and wouldn't hire one if you knew, but what business is that of yours if the person is actually competent? We all have our preconceived opinions, we're all prejudice, so it's better not to know some things and protect the right to privacy. It's is a human right, after all.
Every company has college-age jerk off interns there at least part of the year. A "company" isn't some abstract entity. It's a bunch of people, including those interns. They can see what the company knows.
Already happened with GMail and some creepy dude. There aren't billions of creepy dudes out there, but the problem here is the reverse: for any one of them, there's a treasure trove.
Sure, now you may be a basement dwelling neckbear but what of you were or became the CEO or executive of a larger company?
Or a politician.
Now someone wants you to vote or do a certain thing or take a certain action.
It would be unfortunate if your wife, friends, coworkers, etc knew you liked to watch beastiality porn.
Oh sure, it was only like 5 seconds when you accidentally clicked some link on 4chan that was pretending to be something else and you were disgusted but your history says you watched it and everything else is spin.
I want to know what /g/ thinks about this concept:
A society where every single thing is known to everyone, anywhere, at any time. How would you feel about such a society.
Now, remember that while everyone knows everything about you, YOU, too, know everything about everyone else. Now what you think is your possibly niche interests is completely public and you WILL almost certainly find that there are thousands, if not millions, of people with the same likes. (this even includes seemingly fringe interests like pedophilia, necrophilia and such)
More to the point, how do you think society would deal with it? Initially a LOT of falling out will happen. But after that part, then what? Do you think it would cause a lot of conflict? How many people in power do you think would be interested in what would be considered bad taste now?
Because they're building a profile on you that can impact the way companies and governments treat you in the future, whether you realize it or not. You don't have to be a criminal or want to secure your CC# to worry about privacy.
The NSA collects everything. That is there declared mission statement.
They collect more information than the Gestapo ever did.
I have every right to be upset and not want them to have on hand the details of every conversation I ever had, and if they ever felt so inclined, could quickly sift through using a computer and find something completely inane that is incriminating.
>>45207795 All these fucking confirmed leaks about what the NSA actually does and fucking retards on the internet still refuse to believe it.
No wonder this country is such shit. We could literally prove beyond all doubt that Bush was the reincarnation of Hitler and that 9/11 was done by the shadow government that wants to control every aspect of our lives and there would still be idiots that say NUH UH FUCKING TINFOIL BULLSHIT
>>45207811 The only shills here are you storm weenie idiots who think the government is out to get you.
>>45207830 And they only filter out the relevant information they need about their targets. Even if they wanted to it's not humanly possible for them to see all the data they say they collect, even with algorithms.
>>45207836 I'm pissed because you idiots are tying to hurt the ability of law enforcement to do their fucking job because MUH GUNS and MUH JOOS or whatever other bullshit you fucking retards come up with.
>>45207830 Not that Anon, but if they really wanted to incriminate you they would just lie. The judicial system won't necessarily protect people when they're also authorizing sweeping data collection in the first place.
The 4th Amendment isn't the one that really puts the brakes on an oppressive government. There's another one for that.
>>45207690 I've thought about something like this before - Eventually, by means of technology, it may become possible to read anyone's mind. The question is whether this will be used for good or bad, whether we manage to establish a system in which it will be used to weed out corruption at its core, or it will fall into the hands of a tyrant who can use it to wipe out all opposition forever.
>>45207877 >And they only filter out the relevant information they need about their targets. Even if they wanted to it's not humanly possible for them to see all the data they say they collect, even with algorithms.
ctrl+f works just fine. Secondly, who are their targets? Opponents of the people currently in power? You don't know, everything they do is secret.
>>45207884 The NSA runs secret FISA courts that have no transparency.
It has nothing to do with what the information is used for or whether there is some threat of authoritarianism. It has to do with the sense of privacy needed to have the courage to make mistakes. People learn by making mistakes. People who make lots of mistakes should learn more but don't because of the censure of their peers forces them to stop asking. Online communication allows the individual to ask stupid questions, propose dumb ideas, and take stupid stances, all of which allow us to think through our opinions, changing what we will. Having a history of your thoughts recorded somewhere puts the brakes on the kind of social and educational exploration that only sociopaths and autists could get away with IRL. The mere threat of inspection fundamentally changes the internet experience and erodes the power of the network.
>>45207904 >The NSA runs secret FISA courts that have no transparency. Which is all the more reason for them to just lie. Imagine you're an enforcement official looking to nail someone. Why would you wait for them to do something you can spin? Just fabricate the evidence. Done. The courts which are already in your back pocket will be happy to run a kangaroo court on the back of that.
>>45207909 Not paying taxes makes you a criminal. If you're not a criminal the government doesn't care about you.
>>45207904 Terrorists, criminals, dissidents (right wing militias for example). Just people who are a threat to our country in general. If you think it's bad to stay a step ahead of those people then you have issues.
>>45207892 How does the NSA passively gathering information and then searching for stuff about criminals hurt your freedom?
>>45207931 You live next to some agent's sister-in-law and you play your music too loud on Saturday nights?
Yes, data collection is one way in which they can label "subversives" or whatever. But once you're at the point of something like that happening, it also doesn't matter if data collection is how you get tagged.
>>45207953 >Terrorists, criminals, dissidents (right wing militias for example).
Not really all that hard to find these people with TARGETED surveillance. If the NSA were just hacking Kebab.org and the silk road I wouldn't care. Collecting information on every American citizen does very little to catch people who actually do bad things.
When you give one entity all the power all it takes is for one mistake and all that power ends up in the wrong hands. Like corrupt career politicians who are already known psychopaths.
>>45209309 The one and only reason 4chan is still allowed to be up by the government is because even if they tried to take it down silently, someone, somewhere, somehow would manage to get a credible word out that the govt did it and it would cause a noticeably large outrage.
The moment they realize they could get away with forcibly removing "controversial" websites such as the 4chins, they will do it. It's coming.
This shit doesn't just happen, it creates outrage.
There has to.be a build up. "Leaks" and hacks by "evil anons". Maybe it is "discovered" that ISIS uses anon boards. Why the hell do you think there has been such a media blitz on cyber bullying and the whole staged GG thing. Or why both FB and G+ went with such strict real name policies.
Its all mind control bull shit to condition people into using their real IDs and to condition people into thinking anonimity is bad.
The CIA does this sort of shit all the time over seas, you think they don't do it here? Its the propaganda machine at work.
>>45206762 Given access to all of your browsing history or other meta data about your life over a long term gives the collector the ability to make inferences about you, your life, and all of it's aspects with a high degree of accuracy.
The problem comes from an inverse assumption of consent in online activities compared to traditional ones. Trusting private data to companies and individuals YOU choose to do business with gives you reasonable assurance about who has access to that data, for what reasons, and what will be done with it. You don't get to make those choices when it comes to online advertising and tracking without creating whitelists through applications like AdBlock+, NoScript / Request Policy, as the default assumption is that you want to deal with everyone.
More to the point of "why is is bad" / "why should I care", is bringing back the first two points:
1. Inferences of multiple aspects of your life. 2. Who has access, for what purpose, what will they do with it.
With online advertising and tracking you have no control over #2.
Based on comments / pictures (social media), geo location information, (possibly search queries) etc, we can determine that you spent a fair amount of your time last summer at various clubs / bars (with friends, yeah!). We also know that you visit at least 2 forums dedicated to the discussion of various beers and or liquors. That same summer you also also visited several sites about automotive reviews as well as searching for local car dealerships in your area. This pattern ended with a much higher than usual frequency of you visiting your bank's website (if we have access to geo data we know you made 2 unusual trips there as well in person).
Based on this information we can infer that you spend a fair amount of money on beer / liquor (it's not so bad, at least you have good taste, right?) and bought a car.
Spending money on things like this certainly won't help you get a student loan (why did your spend all that money of alcohol and a car if you knew you were going to need money for school anon?). Good thing they don't know, right.. right?
I find out you have a hot elven sister. I find out where you live. I come to visit you. I kick you away and strip your hot elven sister for spell fragments as in described in the instruction manual of http://mangafox.me/manga/those_who_hunt_elves/.
>>45206762 Sure OP just upload all your history, all your emails, all your text messages. Then pay me millions of dollars, and I'll let you know if you are a terrorist. no warrant needed.. Totally won't abuse it either
>>45207185 Does anyone actually think like that? Because that's a mental disorder. It's called paranoia.
I could also say I don't approach anyone in the case that they MIGHT have a deadly virus, or MIGHT contract one someday. Better safe than sorry. I'll also never, ever drink alcohol because it MIGHT get me in a dangerous situation, or I COULD end up being an alcoholic.
>>45207830 >I have every right to be upset and not want them to have on hand the details of every conversation I ever had, and if they ever felt so inclined, could quickly sift through using a computer and find something completely inane that is incriminating.
I feel like people who think this way have trouble thinking outside of their point of view. They think they're the center of the world and yeah, as far as they know they are. They've seen their whole life since it started so they think everyone else cares about it as much as the person itself does.
Protip: No one cares. You're one in billions. Literally. At most you're a single file in a gigantic server room filled with other little files just like yours. You don't exist.
>>45209547 trust me, the larger the community the shittier the quality. If it breaks up there will be groups that go to certain places. /g/ will end up somewhere and maybe even change for the better and the cancer on all the normal boards will fuckoff to reddit or some other censorship liberal circlejerk. Smaller communities tend to have the time to moderate for quality and also prune out users that do not belong into the abstract set of ideals they represent.
>>45207185 >Say a tyrannical leader rose to power It doesn't even need to be that. Another serious terrorist attack and a democratically-elected government could quite easily lose it's shit and go around harassing anyone voicing questionable options on the internet. And once you're in the crosshairs of a hysterical law enforcement agency, they're going to find SOMETHING to lock you up for, if they know everything about you.
If you have thoroughly researched this you would know. Saying that we don't need privacy is on the same level of retardation as saying the government should just drop all taxes - so incredibly retarded that if you hold this opinion, the country would probably better off if you were shot.
It was never about >hurduur the goverment doesn't care about your browsing history, you fucking idiots.
>>45209949 Why don't you go interview real people like fellow students and professors, instead of attempting to cite anonymous posts by anonymous posters on an anonymous imageboard? For all you know every post in this thread could be the same person.
Go find that quote from Randi Zuckerberg about internet anonymity and use it as an epigraph, then read about Bruce Schneier, Richard Stallman, Edward Snowden, and anyone else relevant to your subject matter.
Jesus Christ, when I was a freshman no one I knew would have ever considered using 4chan as a source for a paper. When did kids start thinking this was a good idea?
ITT (and /pol/ for that matter): Kids with a higher sence of selfworth than they should have about themselves. Get over it kid, there's no goyum/black/illuminati conspiracies to keep you a fat and kisless virgin. You're just a piece of shit by your own merit.
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