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Give me some reasons to care about online privacy.
>Hurr durr give me your credit card and social security number
Fuck off, I mean ads and shit. I just feel like it doesn't really matter to care.
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>>45206762
rolling
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>>45206762
upload your browser history so I can recommend you some products
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>>45206762
Are you content with an idea of being farme while doing something where the information you pass on is not only completely needless to performed functions you do, but also is used for nothing but pure milking of unwitting users? Because I for sure am not.
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Hey man, when you go take a poo poo, do you close the door? Or do you leave it open? Personally I like it closed, you know? Likewise, when I do the funny thing with my wee wee, I like to close the door, don't wanna get stabbed with wee wee in hand.

Ahh but you see, big bad man walked when I had wee wee in hand and said " I can help you with that, maybe use my hand?" I say no dad, not today
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>>45206833
*of being farmed
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>>45206778
>>45206839
OP particularly stated that he does not talk about personal interactions, he talks about shit like RLZ and anti-terrorist tracking, that's an obvious no-brainer that while interacting personally with people every sane person excepts privacy.
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>>45206762
When you're applying to jobs, HR will look at your browsing history and use it against you.

That should be reason enough.
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>>45206882
*expects
>>45206871 see - >>45206882
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>>45206882
>OP particularly stated that he does not talk about personal interactions
Your personal browsing history is not personal?
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>>45206922
OP here, I don't really care too much about it. Yes, I use Noscript to block scripts loading, but that's just because I don't want to have my net slow to shit with loading pages.
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>>45207015
>I don't really care too much about it.
Is this the criteria we use to judge importance? On whether we care?

Is the cure for cancer still important, even if you do not care about it?
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>>45206762
I will give you the only relevant argument: law is not static, it is dynamic, everchanging.

What can you derive from that?
What you're doing today, the political ideologies and opinions you hold, and so on, may be legal and socially acceptable right now. However, can you say with absolute certainty that your freedom of speech and thought will still exist and be protected in the future? Freedom of speech is not even a thing anymore, it's very restricted as it is.
Say a tyrannical leader rose to power and outlawed having x opinion, and ordered the NSA to analyse their petabytes-large database in order to identify people with x opinions with the intent of inprisioning them. Do you think that's okay? To be put under scrutiny for no proper reason? To be locked up for something you did that was legal at the time?

This is merely an example, you could come up with a multitude of them following the same train of thought, and there are countless others that diverge from what I said as well.

Put yourself in their shoes for a second... they're only human, as are you, and thus, by no means perfect. They can be corrupted and use their power to blackmail influential figures in order to fullfil whatever agendas they may have. They can spread lies about you to undermine your public opinion and no one will question them because they have access to a nigh infinite pool of information.

Lastly, I do have things to hide, and so do most people. It doesn't make me a criminal, but neither does being autistic (no, I am not autistic), and the latter are more often than not ostracized from society. Surely you wouldn't feel comfortable being around a scat fetishist, and wouldn't hire one if you knew, but what business is that of yours if the person is actually competent? We all have our preconceived opinions, we're all prejudice, so it's better not to know some things and protect the right to privacy. It's is a human right, after all.
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P.S.: They can bend the stock market to their will, as well. I know for a fact I'd be rich if I had access to their database.
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>>45207114
That's an entirely different subject. Explain to me how my personal information such as my browsing history is related to cancer. My browsing history doesn't kill millions.
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Every company has college-age jerk off interns there at least part of the year. A "company" isn't some abstract entity. It's a bunch of people, including those interns. They can see what the company knows.

Already happened with GMail and some creepy dude. There aren't billions of creepy dudes out there, but the problem here is the reverse: for any one of them, there's a treasure trove.
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>>45207210
Your justification is: "I just feel like it doesn't really matter to care."

Your justification is wrong.

It called an "analogy".
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if we allow legal precedent for online surveillance to be established any further, it will just extend the ability of governing powers to observe and data-mine our lives further

you might have nothing to hide, but the next logical step is thought-policing (stuff that they're starting now, using bots to find "potential terrorists" and keep a close eye on them)

we're entering literal 1984, and trying to postpone the inevitable demise of free speech is the best we can do
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>>45207185

There is also the blackmail angle.

Sure, now you may be a basement dwelling neckbear but what of you were or became the CEO or executive of a larger company?

Or a politician.

Now someone wants you to vote or do a certain thing or take a certain action.

It would be unfortunate if your wife, friends, coworkers, etc knew you liked to watch beastiality porn.

Oh sure, it was only like 5 seconds when you accidentally clicked some link on 4chan that was pretending to be something else and you were disgusted but your history says you watched it and everything else is spin.
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We can't have a free society and democracy without privacy.

Basically you are handing over control of your life, it goes way beyond spying on your porn and being a /k/ innawoods anti guberment /pol/ack.

Even the most normal of normalfags should be concerned
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I want to know what /g/ thinks about this concept:

A society where every single thing is known to everyone, anywhere, at any time.
How would you feel about such a society.

Now, remember that while everyone knows everything about you, YOU, too, know everything about everyone else.
Now what you think is your possibly niche interests is completely public and you WILL almost certainly find that there are thousands, if not millions, of people with the same likes. (this even includes seemingly fringe interests like pedophilia, necrophilia and such)

More to the point, how do you think society would deal with it?
Initially a LOT of falling out will happen.
But after that part, then what?
Do you think it would cause a lot of conflict?
How many people in power do you think would be interested in what would be considered bad taste now?
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Jesus christ the amount of /pol/ retardation in this thread is off the charts.
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Because they're building a profile on you that can impact the way companies and governments treat you in the future, whether you realize it or not. You don't have to be a criminal or want to secure your CC# to worry about privacy.
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>>45207711
Explain yourself, nigger.
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>>45207739
The Government doesn't care about you. They aren't looking at your emails and watching you from black vans parked on the street.
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>>45207749
But they collecting more information on you than the Gestapo.
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>>45207774
Stop being so fucking paranoid.
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>>45207795
Fuck off, shill.
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>>45207795
BUT ITS FUCKING TRUE.

The NSA collects everything. That is there declared mission statement.

They collect more information than the Gestapo ever did.

I have every right to be upset and not want them to have on hand the details of every conversation I ever had, and if they ever felt so inclined, could quickly sift through using a computer and find something completely inane that is incriminating.
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>>45207795
All these fucking confirmed leaks about what the NSA actually does and fucking retards on the internet still refuse to believe it.

No wonder this country is such shit. We could literally prove beyond all doubt that Bush was the reincarnation of Hitler and that 9/11 was done by the shadow government that wants to control every aspect of our lives and there would still be idiots that say NUH UH FUCKING TINFOIL BULLSHIT
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>>45207811
The only shills here are you storm weenie idiots who think the government is out to get you.

>>45207830
And they only filter out the relevant information they need about their targets. Even if they wanted to it's not humanly possible for them to see all the data they say they collect, even with algorithms.

>>45207836
I'm pissed because you idiots are tying to hurt the ability of law enforcement to do their fucking job because MUH GUNS and MUH JOOS or whatever other bullshit you fucking retards come up with.
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>>45207830
Not that Anon, but if they really wanted to incriminate you they would just lie. The judicial system won't necessarily protect people when they're also authorizing sweeping data collection in the first place.

The 4th Amendment isn't the one that really puts the brakes on an oppressive government. There's another one for that.
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>>45207877
>storm weenie idiots
Not even, libshit. Refer to >>45207185, and go back to plebbit and faglr.
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>>45207690
I've thought about something like this before - Eventually, by means of technology, it may become possible to read anyone's mind. The question is whether this will be used for good or bad, whether we manage to establish a system in which it will be used to weed out corruption at its core, or it will fall into the hands of a tyrant who can use it to wipe out all opposition forever.
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>>45207877
>And they only filter out the relevant information they need about their targets. Even if they wanted to it's not humanly possible for them to see all the data they say they collect, even with algorithms.

ctrl+f works just fine. Secondly, who are their targets? Opponents of the people currently in power? You don't know, everything they do is secret.

>>45207884
The NSA runs secret FISA courts that have no transparency.
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>>45207749
>The Government doesn't care about you.
But the government does care about me. If I do not pay my taxes, I go to jail.
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It has nothing to do with what the information is used for or whether there is some threat of authoritarianism. It has to do with the sense of privacy needed to have the courage to make mistakes.
People learn by making mistakes. People who make lots of mistakes should learn more but don't because of the censure of their peers forces them to stop asking.
Online communication allows the individual to ask stupid questions, propose dumb ideas, and take stupid stances, all of which allow us to think through our opinions, changing what we will.
Having a history of your thoughts recorded somewhere puts the brakes on the kind of social and educational exploration that only sociopaths and autists could get away with IRL.
The mere threat of inspection fundamentally changes the internet experience and erodes the power of the network.
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>>45207904
>The NSA runs secret FISA courts that have no transparency.
Which is all the more reason for them to just lie. Imagine you're an enforcement official looking to nail someone. Why would you wait for them to do something you can spin? Just fabricate the evidence. Done. The courts which are already in your back pocket will be happy to run a kangaroo court on the back of that.
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>>45207884
>Not that Anon, but if they really wanted to incriminate you they would just lie

How would they know that I am the guy they want to incriminate?
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>>45207909
Not paying taxes makes you a criminal.
If you're not a criminal the government doesn't care about you.

>>45207904
Terrorists, criminals, dissidents (right wing militias for example).
Just people who are a threat to our country in general. If you think it's bad to stay a step ahead of those people then you have issues.

>>45207892
How does the NSA passively gathering information and then searching for stuff about criminals hurt your freedom?
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>>45207904
>The NSA runs secret FISA courts that have no transparency.
Yup, they could blackmail the judges if they wanted to.
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>>45207931
You live next to some agent's sister-in-law and you play your music too loud on Saturday nights?

Yes, data collection is one way in which they can label "subversives" or whatever. But once you're at the point of something like that happening, it also doesn't matter if data collection is how you get tagged.
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>>45207953
>How does the NSA passively gathering information and then searching for stuff about criminals hurt your freedom?

Read the post: >>45207185
If you don't get it you might be retarded.
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>>45207953
>Terrorists, criminals, dissidents (right wing militias for example).

Not really all that hard to find these people with TARGETED surveillance. If the NSA were just hacking Kebab.org and the silk road I wouldn't care. Collecting information on every American citizen does very little to catch people who actually do bad things.

When you give one entity all the power all it takes is for one mistake and all that power ends up in the wrong hands. Like corrupt career politicians who are already known psychopaths.
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>>45206891
Jobs, credit, insurance... even worse, imagine if police used browsing history to look for potential suspects.

"Male faggot raped and stabbed to death? Well, there's a guy nearby who really browses a lot 4chan and hardcore gay porn... I wonder if he had something to do with it..."
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>>45207953
>Terrorists, criminals, dissidents (right wing militias for example).

How many of these people have actually been caught by mass surveillance and not by normal targeted surveillance and police work?
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>>45206762
>I don't care about my privacy
so you font care about basic human rights? Smart thinking retard
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>>45207749

The government doesn't directly care about you, they watch for key words and certain activity.

And no, you may not be doing any activty today but god know what they will decide is a bad activity.

As an example, its probably only a matter of time before anonymous online boards like 4chan are outlawed.
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>>45206762
>Give me some reasons to care about online privacy.

lol look at this retard.
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>>45206762
because the same data used to serve those ads is collated in data sets and sold to employers, insurance agencies, etc.

plus, imagine a world with consumer-targeted billboards and even more medicine ads
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>>45209309
The one and only reason 4chan is still allowed to be up by the government is because even if they tried to take it down silently, someone, somewhere, somehow would manage to get a credible word out that the govt did it and it would cause a noticeably large outrage.

The moment they realize they could get away with forcibly removing "controversial" websites such as the 4chins, they will do it. It's coming.
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>>45209431
Who gives a fuck? There will just be ten more that sprout up and won't be hosted in Burgerland by some sjw twitter faggot
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>>45209431

This shit doesn't just happen, it creates outrage.

There has to.be a build up. "Leaks" and hacks by "evil anons". Maybe it is "discovered" that ISIS uses anon boards. Why the hell do you think there has been such a media blitz on cyber bullying and the whole staged GG thing. Or why both FB and G+ went with such strict real name policies.

Its all mind control bull shit to condition people into using their real IDs and to condition people into thinking anonimity is bad.

The CIA does this sort of shit all the time over seas, you think they don't do it here? Its the propaganda machine at work.
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>>45209503
The 4chan community isn't exactly huge and having it split into any number of parts essentially kills it.

Go to any of the alternative *chans and you'll notice one thing they all have in common, they're fucking slow as shit if not dead compared to 4chan, they're essentially unusable.
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>>45209545
You're probably right. They'll first make sure they make internet anonymity the same as literally raping a woman every time you post, as well as support terrorism and hate freedom.

Then they'll take it down.
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>>45206762
Given access to all of your browsing history or other meta data about your life over a long term gives the collector the ability to make inferences about you, your life, and all of it's aspects with a high degree of accuracy.

The problem comes from an inverse assumption of consent in online activities compared to traditional ones. Trusting private data to companies and individuals YOU choose to do business with gives you reasonable assurance about who has access to that data, for what reasons, and what will be done with it. You don't get to make those choices when it comes to online advertising and tracking without creating whitelists through applications like AdBlock+, NoScript / Request Policy, as the default assumption is that you want to deal with everyone.

More to the point of "why is is bad" / "why should I care", is bringing back the first two points:

1. Inferences of multiple aspects of your life.
2. Who has access, for what purpose, what will they do with it.

With online advertising and tracking you have no control over #2.

cont..
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>>45209578
Let's do a scenario.

Based on comments / pictures (social media), geo location information, (possibly search queries) etc, we can determine that you spent a fair amount of your time last summer at various clubs / bars (with friends, yeah!). We also know that you visit at least 2 forums dedicated to the discussion of various beers and or liquors. That same summer you also also visited several sites about automotive reviews as well as searching for local car dealerships in your area. This pattern ended with a much higher than usual frequency of you visiting your bank's website (if we have access to geo data we know you made 2 unusual trips there as well in person).

Based on this information we can infer that you spend a fair amount of money on beer / liquor (it's not so bad, at least you have good taste, right?) and bought a car.

Spending money on things like this certainly won't help you get a student loan (why did your spend all that money of alcohol and a car if you knew you were going to need money for school anon?). Good thing they don't know, right.. right?
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>>45206762
>it doesn't really matter to care.

I half wish he had attitude-based eugenics to kill off the lazy plebs like you.
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I don't get it, why aren't people upset at the files snowden leaked? Why is this okay with people? I mean it makes me mad but not everyone is me, but it's a pretty big fucking deal man
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I'm doing a report on why anonymity is important to the internet. Can I use these testimonies?
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>>45209949

How does works.cited work for 4chan?
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>>45209949
I don't know. Can you save a picture of a naked banana? Of course you can, it's yours my friend.
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>>45206762
Imagine the following scenario:

I find out you have a hot elven sister.
I find out where you live.
I come to visit you.
I kick you away and strip your hot elven sister for spell fragments as in described in the instruction manual of http://mangafox.me/manga/those_who_hunt_elves/.

Your fucked now, M8.
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>>45206762
Sure OP just upload all your history, all your emails, all your text messages. Then pay me millions of dollars, and I'll let you know if you are a terrorist. no warrant needed.. Totally won't abuse it either
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>>45206762
http://packetstorm.igor.onlinedirect.bg/papers/general/twenty-reasons.txt
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>>45207185
Does anyone actually think like that? Because that's a mental disorder. It's called paranoia.

I could also say I don't approach anyone in the case that they MIGHT have a deadly virus, or MIGHT contract one someday. Better safe than sorry. I'll also never, ever drink alcohol because it MIGHT get me in a dangerous situation, or I COULD end up being an alcoholic.
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>>45207830
>I have every right to be upset and not want them to have on hand the details of every conversation I ever had, and if they ever felt so inclined, could quickly sift through using a computer and find something completely inane that is incriminating.

I feel like people who think this way have trouble thinking outside of their point of view. They think they're the center of the world and yeah, as far as they know they are. They've seen their whole life since it started so they think everyone else cares about it as much as the person itself does.

Protip: No one cares. You're one in billions. Literally. At most you're a single file in a gigantic server room filled with other little files just like yours. You don't exist.
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>>45207185
This is probably the best articulated opinion on the subject I've read yet. Highly reasonable. Good job!
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>>45207749
If they don't care they don't have to collect my data.
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>>45209547
trust me, the larger the community the shittier the quality. If it breaks up there will be groups that go to certain places. /g/ will end up somewhere and maybe even change for the better and the cancer on all the normal boards will fuckoff to reddit or some other censorship liberal circlejerk. Smaller communities tend to have the time to moderate for quality and also prune out users that do not belong into the abstract set of ideals they represent.
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>>45209358
billboards are consumer targeted
you just went full dipshit mode
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>>45207114
>Is this the criteria we use to judge importance?

Literally yes.
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ITT: Tinfoil Hat General
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>>45207185
>Say a tyrannical leader rose to power
It doesn't even need to be that. Another serious terrorist attack and a democratically-elected government could quite easily lose it's shit and go around harassing anyone voicing questionable options on the internet. And once you're in the crosshairs of a hysterical law enforcement agency, they're going to find SOMETHING to lock you up for, if they know everything about you.
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>>45206762
By all means strip off, cellotape your birth certificate to your face, and your passport to your belly, and walk around outside.

Is the shame of being exposed and potentially vulnerable not reason enough to care?

>>45207711
>/pol/ punching /pol/
I'm not sure I understand your picture, but I'm saving it nonetheless.
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>>45213582
>/pol/
>Captain American
You must be new here.
/pol/ is for racist neo-nazi pieces of shit, they don't care about freedom, they care about destorying "degeneracy".
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>>45213635
Keep being a retarded liberal. Red pill material:

http://www.reddit.com/r/new_right
http://www.reddit.com/r/darkenlightenment

And go back to reddit while you're at it.
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If you have thoroughly researched this you would know. Saying that we don't need privacy is on the same level of retardation as saying the government should just drop all taxes - so incredibly retarded that if you hold this opinion, the country would probably better off if you were shot.

It was never about >hurduur the goverment doesn't care about your browsing history, you fucking idiots.
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>>45213635
>You must be new here
>they don't care about freedom, they care about destorying
Yeah, I don't think you browse /pol/, juden.
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>>45209949
Why don't you go interview real people like fellow students and professors, instead of attempting to cite anonymous posts by anonymous posters on an anonymous imageboard? For all you know every post in this thread could be the same person.

Go find that quote from Randi Zuckerberg about internet anonymity and use it as an epigraph, then read about Bruce Schneier, Richard Stallman, Edward Snowden, and anyone else relevant to your subject matter.

Jesus Christ, when I was a freshman no one I knew would have ever considered using 4chan as a source for a paper. When did kids start thinking this was a good idea?
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>>45213848
The more sources the better. You cant compare anonymity in 4chan and anonymity in facebook.
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>>45213882
You're missing the point. Neither 4chan nor Facebook is a valid source for your report.
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>>45213682
>reddit
>redpill

Good goy.
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>>45213682
Your downright ignorance and biggotry is hilarious.
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>>45213682
>allowing your parents to think for you
>any fucking year
Shiggity
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ITT (and /pol/ for that matter): Kids with a higher sence of selfworth than they should have about themselves. Get over it kid, there's no goyum/black/illuminati conspiracies to keep you a fat and kisless virgin. You're just a piece of shit by your own merit.
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>>45213682
People like you hold humans back as a race. Shove your balls up your ass and clench yourself castrated so we can reach civ 1 before you mongoloids blow us all up.
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>>45214024
>kids
You can't be that old yourself if you're placing such a high value on kisses and sex.
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>>45207953
>How does the NSA passively gathering information and then searching for stuff about criminals hurt your freedom?

are you seriously incapable of see why giving that huge amount of power to an small group of people is just dangerous and ridiculous?
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>>45208065
>I wonder
He should have something*
:^)
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>>45214222

Your neighbor might be a spy...nsa might need you to do some shit. Good thing they know that you've been chatting with your ex
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Stuff you said in a random conversation last year used against you in court? Unthinkable.

But on the internet without privacy, it's pretty much to be expected.

Without internet privacy, everybody is being treated as potentially guilty. And that's bullshit.
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