>Debian switched to Xfce as the default desktop environment back in November 2013. But that didn't last long because a few days ago, Debian restored GNOME as the default desktop, based on preliminary results from the Debian Desktop Requalification for Jessie.
>According to Joey Hess, the Debian developer who performed this change, the main reasons for Debian switching back to GNOME as the default desktop are related to accessibility and systemd integration:
>As far as accessibility is concerned, Joey mentions that GNOME and MATE are ahead by a large margin while other desktops still need significant upstream work. As for Systemd, GNOME is ahead of all desktops which are "stuck paying catch-up to ongoing changes in this area".
>Of course, those aren't the only reasons that influenced this decision. Recent GNOME 3 improvements are fairly important too and so is the fact that unfortunately, the Debian Xfce team is pretty small.
Xfeces a shit! Gnome and MATE master race!
GNOME is junk. They also blew all their donations on total bullshit not related at all to the project.
I wipe my ass with GNOME
Don't act like you don't love me.
Are we falling for each other? Is this what love feels like?
the fuck is with the hate on xfce?
I don't use any DE's right now. But I shall say xfce is by far my favorite. who cares if it is what /g/ calls "deprecated"/ why fix what isn't broken. also. arent they actually uopdating it now? thought they were realsing a new version with bug fixes. xfce is great DE. most likely a bait thread though.
leave it to linux fags to talk shit about every distro or de.
Why are you mentioning MATE? I think MATE is really good, and GNOME is way too bloated to be a default GUI for a distro like Debian.
But I think MATE works really well, and is no more or even less resource heavy than XFCE
I vote Debian switch to MATE
damn it. i dont even hate systemd but i hate it has so much influence in fucking everything and then poettering goes out and says it isn't a fucking parasite
god damn it
at least we can still hope for LX-Qt with Q5 and full Wayland dependency
I agree but
>has superb logs
default management of logs is retarded, you have to have systemd installed on your system to read other system's systemd logs. Its improvements aren't even that necessary considering you can pipe and filter logs any way you want with grep, awk, etc
I know you can change it to have plaintext logs instead but that'd be a non default config, and we all know 99% people dont touch defaults
not too familiar with dolphin, but ive been using xfe, which is quite old and a little buggy.
Im runnning just PCManFM, not the full DE. Im running Debian Testing, and its in the repo.
No LXQT in the repo yet, but there is a Debian based distro that includes LXQT; Siduction
This DE can't even get compositing to work correctly without requiring some third-party solution. If they can't get something so simple working then I'm hardly going to put my faith in the rest of their environment.
What a bunch of nonsense. Have you even tried Xfce?
That's good. Xfce is fully modular, you can install its components individually without many dependencies and that's quite something. Now try installing one of the KDE software, for example their taskbar. Enjoy pulling 20 dependencies and the whole KDE desktop.
Xfce is the Arch Linux of desktop environments.
>debian is only usable as a server OS
>it's not like they have a 2 additional repositories with more up-to-date software suitable for general desktop usage!
Educate yourself, fool.
It's Linux's successor.
>As for Systemd, GNOME is ahead of all desktops which are "stuck paying catch-up to ongoing changes in this area".
In other words, "API exists, therefore it must be used".
It's all bloated crap anyway. Even LXDE is bloated and buggy now.
Sorry for unrelated question, but do you know why my /etc/inittab won't work?
I try removing getty lines from it so i only have like 2 or 3, and it always has 7 when it boots up. Is systemd handling the initial setup of ttys now?
If so, how do I change it?
That's ridiculous, because util-linux is supposed to supply the mount command, which handles the mounting. Has nothing to do with systemd.
I don't think sysvinit has ever read /etc/fstab.
Please, tell me what you think is so different? Here is an example: Openbox. Let's see which version is in the Debian repositories and which version in the Arch repositories.
Do you understand now? Debian ISN'T an exclusive server OS.
Well, if you like using DEs instead of window managers, go ahead.
I know systemd gets a lot of flack and critical reviews, but why can't I just use OpenRC on Debian? Why is it so hard?
Debian is just supposed to be one of those drama-free operating systems where they do everything right enough and give the users freedom and choice. I don't like all the crap people throw at systemd.
> you have to have systemd installed on your system to read other system's systemd logs
That is the case right now. But I think at some point someone will write a systemd log reader, which is multiplatform.
you can. openrc isn't a replacement for init.
why are there so many people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about in these threads.
>I realized my mistake after I posted
you were pretty cock sure about it. took a long time to correct yourself there.
>Then that proves that there's no need for systemd to replace mount.
are you even reading what I typed? do I have to show you the docs?
>no, they don't.
Unfortunately I can't find the blog post where Lennart (IIRC) discusses mount units and 'deprecating' fstab.
>systemd calls mount.
automount(8), isn't it?
Yeah. Unfortunately it's the least broken-feeling DE out there.
>OpenRC is a dependency based init system
It sounds like it is meant to replace init, just not easily in Debian, because Debian has the sysvinit and systemd packages marked as "essential".
because I have to deal with you shitposters constantly not knowing what the fuck you are talking about, moaning about "MUH UNIX PHILOSOPHY," repeating blatant lies, etc
every thread. same shit.
retards deserve to get talked down to.
I've only been back for several threads this week, so not every thread, but it's amazing how they have not changed in months while not coming to this shithole.
same circlejerking from retards such as yourself.
>thread about XFCE
>turns into one systemd evangelist insulting everyone
Might as well rename Linux to systemd.
>but it's amazing how they have not changed in months while not coming to this shithole.
Poor babby defines his existence by how much love Lennart is getting.
Still an unnecessary fucking hassle and a testament to how shitty systemd is because
>at some point someone will write a systemd log reader,
It's already written. If systemd really was as modular as it claims to be, we could simply install the binary that reads the logs separately.
>Poor babby defines his existence by how much love Lennart is getting.
I'm just calling out retards who spew their uneducated opinions. Feel free to prove me wrong. You're probably one of them.
You're not really said anything about anything, though; you've said a lot of 'retard' and 'moron' and 'you don't know what you're talking about' in response to fair questions, but little of substance.
Is there any other piece of obscure system software you get so frenzied over?
XFCE just can't seem to decide if it is supposed to be a real desktop environment or a toy for people who want to tinker with UIs and ghetto hardware. Certainly, it has some things like GUIs for system settings that one would expect from a desktop environment, but I've never seen a system where all of them worked properly, and even if they did they're horribly lacking for modern use cases.
Multi-monitor? Lel, enjoy redoing the monitor layout over and over again. Color management? What's that? The colors looked nice on the CRT in the developer's basement back in 1998. Bluetooth, audio routing and advanced wireless configuration? Enjoy messing with a dozen unrelated tools. Almost feels like a typical Windows install with its random applications and bad GUIs from different hardware manufacturers, except with fewer logos.
Last time I tried to seriously use the desktop, the broken multi-monitor support somehow kept breaking the panel badly enough it wouldn't render again until it was deleted and rebuilt. I'm not sure where it was actually trying to draw itself, but it sure as hell didn't overlap with the visible display coordinate space.
It just doesn't do the things a desktop environment should.
>'retard' and 'moron'
>'you don't know what you're talking about' in response to fair questions
It's not a fair question when someone is so cock sure and circlejerking about how terrible systemd and debian is when they don't even know what the fuck openrc does.
> I've never seen a system where all of them worked properly, and even if they did they're horribly lacking for modern use cases.
It's called Xubuntu.
>audio routing and advanced wireless configuration?
I don't know what that has to do with Xfce. Those tools are DE independent and most DEs just ship them together.
PulseAudio has become the current de-facto standard (like it or not) for anything audio related and it's included in Xubuntu (the most popular Xfce distribution).
NetworkManager is also the most popular/easiest way to configure anything network connectivity related, included in Xubuntu (and every Ubuntu).
Again, I don't see what those 2 have to do anything with Xfce.
Whut, that shit boots to a desktop post-install now?
Both of those are dbus-enabled system services; to get a GUI you need separate applications. Why even use XFCE if you're going to install and start up most of GNOME to get shit working?
Could it be any more cancerous? Xfce should totally be considered "default" for any distro, and I'm a LXDE user. (pic related)
>Debian is just supposed to be one of those drama-free operating systems where they do everything right enough and give the users freedom and choice
And then they started spoonfeeding feminists.
Yes, just remember: systemd was forced on Debian because Debian Women had a fuckton of pull in the decision table.
>the fuck is with the hate on xfce?
Autists and edgy cunts hate it because it just werks and isn't full of cancer like KDE and GNOME. Always the same story with these kind of people..
I use KDE, but I don't see why you would just shit on another DE like that. Talking about DEs and their upsides and downsides should be friendly because ultimately it's about the user, and they shouldn't be yelled at for not using what you want them to.
>if the xfce developers doesn't get their shit together and fucking deliver, more distro's will follow debian
I seriously hope they fail because Xfeces is the buggiest DE I have ever used.
i personally believe this is why the development seems dead, they're working like crazy to iron out all the bugs. it's an make it or break it deal. if they can't deliver 4.12 until the next xubuntu release, they're completely fucked, since that distro is their flagship
>built on top of a bunch of old software
>blatant bugs that still aren't fixed
>performance not even that good for a "lightweight" environment
Fuck XFCE. If you want lightweight, you'd do better to set up your own DM, WM, and software from a minimal install. And if you're too fucking lazy to do that, install Crunchbang, Manjaro, or some other distro with a preconfigured Openbox+Tint2 set up.
>pulseaudio still can't resample worth shit
>running wayland in an x server on nvidia
>bluetooth stack reimplemented in ruby
>power stuff requires gnome
>gtk still as bloated as fuck but everything lives in a webkit shim
>gtk 2 file opener/saver
>kde is dead
>xfce is dead
>lxde development is slow as fuck
>The other thing to keep in mind is that the Xfce developers are planning to release 4.12 by christmas in time for the next Debian release which means that most probably, the main distros like Xubuntu will start releasing PPAs for that version.
That thread also has a few screenshots for the new minor updates. Apparently, some components are getting ported to GTK3, which is good I guess.
xfce is brilliant
using it for a few years now
There are alternatives that are lighter and less buggy, like setting up your own WM instead of some hacked mess built on out of date software that hasn't had a meaningful update in about 2 years.
>I find it hilarious that people with 16 cores, 1Gb video cards, and 64Gb of RAM feel the need to use "light" desktop environments.
That's not what is happening. Xfce is primarily used by NEETs who are forced to use a very old computer, such as their mom's old PC.
Everybody with money uses GNOME or KDE.