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Tox thread?

So I tried audio in Venom today, seems cool and all, but I must ask, will there be less of an audio delay in future updates? Is that part of the core constantly being updated, or is this what it will be like?
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It is alpha, it is constantly getting bug fixes.
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>>43146865
use uTox
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>>43147066
qTox is better
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Why wouldn't someone just use an XMPP client (Jitsi, Ekiga, etc) to talk to people, even with encryption instead of this?
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>>43147171
As far as I understand, all of those lack the one-click simplicity that Skype offers. Tox aims to be as easy to set up as Skype.
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>>43147171
Tox is easier and no config
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>>43147258
press delete fagget.
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>>43147088
https://wiki.tox.im/4chan
Where's that trip?
(Not that I don't prefer qTox, I just hate impersonating tripfags)
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>>43147280
I didn't think to try that until I had already posted.
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Why does utox.org exist? I can't see how that would make anything better.
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>>43147331
notsecure and irungentoo being autistic as usual
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>>43147229

> all of those lack the one-click simplicity that Skype offers

You have to register for Skype too. There's no difference between creating an account for Skype or creating an XMPP (jabber) account through software like Jitsi.

>>43147240

How is it easier?
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Daily reminder.
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>>43147391
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>>43147391
Isn't the Linux kernel like at least 10 million lines of code

And Chromium's source code alone is like 500 Mb which I'm sure is a lot more than 100k loc.
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>>43147347
>download client
>run client
>send friend your ID
>begin text/talk/video

vs with skype/xmpp

>download client
>install client
>register account
>share IDs
>(optional) set up encryption
>begin text/talk/video
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>>43147347
Encryption with no config
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>>43147484

Why did you leave out the "install client" for Tox? You could have also left it out for Jitsi, because it installs automatically through the package manager on Linux.
The only extra step between those two is the "register account" step.

>(optional) set up encryption
It encrypts it automatically by default, without any user interaction, at least it does so with XMPP with Jitsi.
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>>43147496

See >>43147547.
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>>43147547
uTox doesn't require an install on Linux or Windows. Just run the executable or binary and you're good to go.

Don't even pretend that Jitsi isn't a clusterfuck of noise with its Java dependency. You can't seriously argue that Jitsi/XMPP is more user friendly/idiot proof than most Tox clients.
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>>43147587
On what garbage systems is Java a dependency. Almost every consumer PC has it
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>>43147614
Most people that just use their machines for Facebook/Skype with their relatives don't have Java installed.

Try walking a friend through the entire process of installing Java, Jitsi, making an XMPP account and then configuring it properly. XMPP doesn't even support video so you'd need to set up some other account for that too.

For uTox you run it, send your ID, and can use video and audio right away. And it's all encrypted.
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>>43146865
I'll use Tox when the UI designers grow up.
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>>43147673
what did they do?
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>>43147693
have you not seen how horrendous the client looks?
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>>43147587

You don't even have to use Jits. There's Ekiga and I think even GNOME's Telepathy supports XMPP.
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>>43147808
All clients are WIPs. They are all aiming to eventually look like the mockup. Or is it the mockup that you have a problem with?
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>>43147668

You don't need to install Java to run Jitsi. I didn't have it on my machine and installed Jitsi, which means it bundles the required dependencies with it.
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>>43147942
yes.
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>>43147171

tox doesn't require a central server, does it?
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>>43147968
it requires at least one server to initialize with
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>>43147965
If you have any suggestions in how to make it better, you should post them.
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>>43147985
It requires knowing one other peer in the network to get in. These peers are just hosted on servers so they're online 24/7. They're no different to other peers otherwise
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>>43148035
I tried my best, a while ago. I posted a well written report of why I did not like a feature that was in the mockup on /gd/. I was met with criticism, and no resolution. Maybe I was wrong about it, although I fear that the designers are making a product for themselves, and not creating it for the general public. With this said, I believe the UI is the most important thing - if it doesn't look as good as Skype, there will be no adoption. That is why I do not like Tox.
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>>43147464
just ignore that shithead
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>>43148105
can you link to your post?
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>>43148803
yeah hes a fargo
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Alright guys, I wanted to try out those Tox clients and went with uTox for wangblows and Venom for gnu/lunix.

However, I'm facing a strange issue. I'm looping back my audio to the input device while being in an audio call with a linux peer.

Linux peer receives the audio, but I could say it's played two times at once. There's a quiet audio stream (almost unhearable) and after 1/3sec proper audio stream comes in.
Is this happening for anyone else?
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>>43146865
tox indiegogo campaign when?
i want some stickers
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>>43151143
yeah, seconding this, stickers would be a cool way to shill once the software is more completed.
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>>43151467
Like all of these?
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>>43151813
yes exactly like those
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>>43147464
Read the image. It says "For 100k SLOC you could start writing the next [smaller and better version of ___ to accomplish something Tox didn't accomplish]".
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>>43151904
Yeah but that's like saying you could start the next billion dollar company with a twenty dollar bill
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>>43149372
Use uTox on both Windows and Linux, problem solved!
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Probably a dumb question but why does Antox use so much data? I had one conversation with one person today and I am already at this for data usage. Glad I was on Wifi for it.
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>>43153202

I'd say it's due to UDP holepunching.
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>>43153266

Any way around this or is it just the way it will work? Probably going to be a hard sell to use Tox on mobile if it uses 15GB+ per month in data. That's not even including audio/video.
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>>43153336
As soon as irungentoo adds to the core a way to let antox use tcp only, it should be okay
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so i tried tox today grabed the binary for fedora fro mthe site, it installed venom with no problems.

now where are the configuration options? i mean i understand that this is made with casusls in mind but i some images i choose where to save some are displayed inline and saved god knows where.
also i have no sound even though it's said to work, i actually think this is an issue with mostly fault to my system but since i don't have a way to configure the audio i don't know

also i never understood how tox is stopping other users from impersonating me. anyone can explain?
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>>43153202
uploading to echelon servers. hopefully next build we can streamline this and queue it for next time you connect to wifi.
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>>43154096
I know everyone handles ETAs differently but I'd just like to know roughly how often the client gets updated. I got it from the f-droid repository if that makes any difference.

I was planning on using this as an SMS replacement for the one or two people I talk with. I can't until the data usage drops though.
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>>43154312
Last antox update on F-Droid was just a few days ago
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>>43154076
Your cryptographic key has two parts, one (secret) is known only to you, and another (public) is used to identify you in net network. When a pair of users talk they combine their own secret key with other persons public one, resulting in a shared key that's only know to them both, but nobody else. Thus unless your secret key is somehow learned by a supposed impersonator, they can not communicate on your behalf. More indepth: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange
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>>43154375
Alright, sounds good then.
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So I think I'm going to do a sticker campaign.

Would you guys rather a die-cut sticker or a square? A die cut would be something like pic related, where it's contoured to the logo, it's a smaller footprint, and I think gives a better look to it, but majority wins here.


I'll probably get 250 or so, and once they arrive, I'll let everyone know. On that note, what's the best way of people telling me their address? I know it's /g/ and I'm technically a stranger to most people, but would people emailing me an address to ship stickers to sound like a sane idea? I'm buying the stickers to send to people but I'm not sure what the best course of action is.
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For free? I'd give you my address.
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>>43155319
Yep, free.
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>>43153202
Because it's shit and Antony 'Astonex' is a fucking antony fucking evolution whiny shit. ( see >>43149213 for a photo of the fgt)

Use uTox for Android instead. It will at least get somewhere. Antox has basically been dead for months.
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>>43155430
>Undergoing a complete UI rehaul
>dead

I know you're baiting, but please try harder next time.
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>>43155430
did you just say utox for android

holy shit

astonex is irrelelvant now. good riddance i never liked that fucker anyway
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>>43155231
http://strawpoll.me/2172713
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>>43155511
Thanks anon
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even though the binary works great in windows, now that there is an updater, we need an installer.
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>>43155231
email sounds fine
and die-cut is better than square
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Guys, I think it's time we cut Proplex loose.

All he's doing is whining and complaining about stickers. He has contributed NOTHING to the Tox project and should be officially kicked out now before he tries to claim he invented it or some shit.
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shit is going down in tox irc:

NikolaiToryzin> Irunignorance, obviously not. If you ignore the part where Antox looks really good, at least it works. 
<sonOfRa> great, then why are you even doing this?
<mahometbot> im still pretty srunk, what do you think we're paying alnf $5500?
<NikolaiToryzin> notsecure, you'll be following Googles material design guidelines, right?
<notsecure> I'm not following any guidelines
<sonOfRa> so it will be a bad UX
<Proplex> That was most possibly the most ignorant thing you could possibly say, notsecure.
<NikolaiToryzin> astonex, I don't think I've ever had the chance to thank you for what you've done for the project.
<NikolaiToryzin> You've done much more than notsecure has
<notsecure> sonOfRa, uTox needed a GL ES renderer, the only GL ES device I had was an android tablet, so why not?
<sonOfRa> Because it's going to look like complete shit, the guidelines are there for a reason
<Proplex> holy repetitiveness, batman.
* irungentoo has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
<sonOfRa> seriously, all of you with your "str8 c" bullshit are making me doubt the prospects of this project
<NikolaiToryzin> astonex, Antox is a really well designed application from a UI perspective, and its really helped this project out.
<sonOfRa> you're not looking at what users will actually like, you're putting your "no bloat" shit over everything
<Proplex> Everything that looks good has bloat.
<NikolaiToryzin> astonex, we do fight a bit, and I know I have an ego, but what you've done is really impressive.
<NikolaiToryzin> Meanwhile irunstupidity and notsecure are wasting time with an ugly, broken client.
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>>43155744
no pls
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>>43155613
Installers are bloat.
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>>43155784
Hey, you added a line ;-;
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Here's why we need to kick Proplex out: he's just fucked up the Tox Chat Servers:

<ChauffeR> guys is tox down again
<Proplex> ChauffeR: tox.im?
<Proplex> It's up for me
<mahometbot> there's some information
<NikolaiToryzin> Proplex: He just asks that randomly.
<mahometbot> i'll make it more reasonable
<NikolaiToryzin> Like, once a day.
<ChauffeR> no the chatting servers Proplex
<Proplex> oh
<sonOfRa> yeah the chatting servers are down
<sonOfRa> proplex fucked up a restart
<Proplex> tox is kil
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>>43155836
>>43155784
anon lying is bad.
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>>43155873
>photoshopping evidence
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>>43155488
>>43155430
Took screenshots of settings in both Antox and uTox for Android.

(left is Antox, right is uTox if I must)

Antox getting btfo'd pretty hard.
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Okay, stickers were ordered.

Email me with your address if you want Tox stickers sent to your place. Here's my PGP key if you want to encrypt said email:

http://vexx.us/Other/Proplex.key
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>>43156416
Oh sorry, forgot the image.
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>>43156432
Also, if you want to sign the key and re-upload it to the MIT keystore, that would be a really great thing to do.

http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xDBA31DAFEA04D208
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>>43156432
sent ;)
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>>43156495
shit uTox for android is beautiful
play store release when?
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>>43156623
The Play store is bloat :)

Also, https is bloat.

http://utox.org/future.apk

It wouldn't be in an APK if it wasn't for Google forcing all Android apps to be BLOAT apk
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tox is solving a non-problem

skype already does what tox is trying to do and is better at it as well

please stop wasting your time
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>>43156710
skype is bloat
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>>43156710
>Backdoored Microsoft garbage maintained by curry shits in the basement at Redmond
pls

http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Skype-with-care-Microsoft-is-reading-everything-you-write-1862870.html
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/jun/20/skype-nsa-access-user-data
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>>43151143
Every day until I can pusheen the gf over Tox and create esoteric joke stickersets for my autistic friends
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>>43151143
Soon
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>>43151143
Indiegogo is bloat, donations will only be accepted using Toxcoin, only minable using the official str8 C client.
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>>43146865
Venom is so far behind the times...
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uTox master race
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>>43146865
utox UI looks sweet so far.

Any groupchats or a bot to test?
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>>43155430
>Use uTox for Android instead.

which is where?
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>>43161613
"utox UI" is a shitty rendition of the mockup designed so obviously by a single assburger that it hurts to look at it. You change your online/away/etc by clicking the orb and CYCLING THROUGH the options. What the unholy hell? And everything else is just malformed and glitchy looking. NIDF go home.
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>>43161631
it doesn't exist
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How's the avatar implementation going?
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Last call for stickers. Email me if you want one, otherwise these are all going to the normals who requested them on FB already.
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>>43154468
F-Droid get only stable releases so I guess you're good.
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>>43156667
>>43156623
>>43156495
uTox for Android certainly deprecates Antox
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Thank fuck for uTox Android.

I'm getting sick of astonex's whiny bitching in the groupchat whenever someone challenges him. He's just a teenage fucker who needs to be shut up for good.
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Does tox have PMs in group chat?
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>>43163965
so, the stickers are for burgers only or would you also send to yurop?
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> i want to try tox
but no friends to talk to
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>>43164798
Y-you could add me anon
We can be qt animu grills together
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>>43164852
t-that would be nice
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>>43164709
Nope, I got a few internationals so I could swing another.
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>>43164919
My ID is spam apparently
http://p.pomf.se/3902
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>>43164338
>proper crash message

It just hangs here and my device reboots.
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>>43164798
you can add me too

CBC3BB6A0CB3AAFCD80CE54D6561AFAB801D5C833A8012653F6A68A74D2E533089973AF42FA6
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>>43164486
Groupchats are under a major (and lazy) rewrite. The way we see it, you have a random temporary id generated for each groupchat. There is a possibility of anonymous PMs between groupchat users (i.e. they know who they are in groupchat, but they communicate without learning their "real" ids). Another feature we are planning is the ability for two peers to expose their real ids to each other under mutual consent (i.e. you want to make contact with a person you know through groupchat), after that they can just communicate as two regular clients.

t. official GC team
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Okay, I've allocated all the stickers away. I'll be getting more as time goes on so if you wanted one and didn't get it, you'll have a lot more chances.

I can always tell who's from /g/ and who was from FB, and I love you all for that. Reading "Can I have stickers please?" 30 times is boring, but getting a few of your emails really made it worthwhile.
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>>43165593
i should lurk there threads more, totally missed out on this.
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>>43165652
Send me an email with your address and I'll see what I can do. I have a small cache I was planning to keep but I think I can part with it.
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>>43165783
you said you where empty ;_;
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>>43165875
Are you the one from Norway? I thought you were a FB person so I said we were empty. Reply back so I know who you are so I can make sure you get one.
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>>43165593
>but getting a few of your emails really made it worthwhile
So that's a no on the ERP then?
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>>43164411
notsecure pls
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>>43164919
i-is that Mabinogi's Nao?
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>>43165946
Sorry for the late response, I was on the phone with Stqism~

I'd love to be your Mugi.
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So, what are uTox's restrictions on GNU/Linux exactly?
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Finally got qtox working. What next? I'm lonely, please talk to me ;_;
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>>43166391
you can add me :3

406D666E664F286D64F85A183A22E25320926C3D55AEA533F0579E2637B12D320717D9759812
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>>43165593
>Reading "Can I have stickers please?" 30 times is boring
>tfw sent an email that was almost exactly this
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>>43166260
It's a date
I'll bring the red bull
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