>>43128744 >oh you are a CS major? >that means you can help me make a website right? I can give you pictures and you just make it happen! >you can help the business department create a finance program and build our website! It will look good on your resume and we can benefit from it too! >BUILD THIS >BUILD THAT >WE CAN GIVE YOU IDEAS >WHY ARENT YOU DONE WITH THIS YET ON CSI THEY CAN BUILD GOOEYS IN 5 MINUTES FROM MICROSFOT WORD >IT CANT BE THAT HARD Honestly they should feel lucky that I am either too lazy to help at all or only willing to offer a minimal foundation for them. If they came to me with an actual good idea for a program or website I would just steal it and claim it as my own. Fuck an 'idea guy'.
>professional idea guy >100k starting >any job I want >always make more money than expendable code monkeys Face it: coding isn't even that hard. The only reason idea guys don't code is because such menial labor is beneath us. We are the brains of this operation.
>tfw idea guy >tfw not knowing shit about anything programming related >tfw you could just start learning, but you think it's too difficult
Realistically speaking, if you want into game development (iOS/Android) specifically for porting/stealing older PC games, how long would it take from absolute zero, to the point where you actually know what you are doing?
Let's face it people: idea guys are a necessity. If it were otherwise, how else could they exist if there were not market demand for them? Maybe if techies were capable of coming up with ideas, we wouldn't need a subset of people to do it for them.
>>43128909 Nah, idea guys are expendable. Everybody has a good idea for a cool thing they'd like to see made. The people with skills make sure them happen by either doing it themselves, or hiring the right people for the job.
The idea guys have no useful skills, just a head full of ideas, so they need someone else to make it for them. With neither the skill to make it happen themselves nor the knowledge of the industry they're trying to get involved in, the idea guy hires the wrong people. The idea guy has no idea what his employees are doing, so he will set an unreasonable deadline, or none at all.
>>43129244 But the idea was just the starting point for that. A common fallacy of these "idea guys" is thinking "oh, I could have thought of that!" and ignoring all of the actual work and risk that happened in between the idea and the successful implementation of the idea. How many other ideas do you never even hear of because they fucking failed? It's asinine to assume that you're some kind of hotshot just because you can pretend to imitate the fraction of a percent that managed to make something of their ideas, while managing to completely miss the entire point at the same time.
>kid thinks he and friends can make vidya >decides they're going to use cryengine, having never made anything simpler >believes ideas have any value and makes parents sign NDA >aspirations abandoned weeks later
>>43129258 Ideas aren't worthless, idea GUYS are, there's a difference.
The reason why idea guys are worthless is because everyone can contribute ideas, no one needs a person that can only contributes ideas. It's far more worthwhile having people that can actually contribute art, code and music in addition to coming up with ideas.
>>43129258 I admit you need to start from somewhere, like a good idea. Still, I value it much less than a single line written by a code monkey. Try get some investor money just by selling them an idea and not experienced team. Unless we're talking about the government monnies, then you have retarded ideas being funded, like Solar Roadways.
>>43129316 >but only when they can explain in great detail how to make their ideas work. Idea guys don't need to worry about those minor details. That is for the code monkeys and other scrubs to figure out.
>>43128909 Exacly, Steve Jobs was the innovator, not Wozniack (expandable af). I too am an ideas guy, an innovator, one who thinks different, and I have the great idea for an MMO thats like WoW but with robots. Anyone wanna make $10 developing it for me?
> Lead designer coordinates the work of other designers and is the main visionary of the game. Lead designer ensures team communication, makes large design decisions, and presents design outside of the team. Often the lead designer is technically and artistically astute. Keeping well-presented documentation also falls within the lead designer responsibilities. Lead designer may be the founder of a game development company or may be sent by the publisher, if the game's concept is provided by the publisher.
You code monkeys better humble yourselves before you get fired by your superiors. If you want to be a team player, you need to understand that there is a certain order of importance of people who make up a team. You need to understand that YOU are expendable; you write code. You are a stenographer. The lead designer is a visionary. Without him, there would be no game.
>>43129430 Without his legion of programmers, there would be no game. Without good artists or musicians, his vision would never be realized. Without good marketers, nobody will ever play his game.
A visionary isn't an ideas guy. Its a leader. A good leader is someone who who has experience working on various parts of a previous project. He knows exactly how much work needs to done because he has done the work too. He knows who to hire and what to expect. He's not too lazy to do the work himself, the project is just at such a large scale that you need other people working on it
>>43129324 >Guy works on Assassin's Creed >Ubisoft fires him >the rivalry runs so deep, that they literally buy the next company he is hired at and then fire him again Wow, just fucking wow. Wonder if they're shooting for three times the charm with that one.
>>43128744 I worked for an idea guy once. I had some CAD experience and had just gotten some certifications, and was referred to this dude looking for a product developer. While it paid nothing, I thought I needed the experience on my CV.
He was a fucking dumbass, and had no fucking clue what he was doing. He tried to sound like he had some sort of experience in product development or structural engineering, but he only came off as a retard. It was a part time gig, I stuck with it as long as I could. He started demanding more and more of my time. He'd propose a quick hour long meeting and drag it into an entire day. Any time I proposed some sort of improvement or criticism, he'd completely ignore it or put it down. When he told me that his big marketing idea was to put the product on some Kickstarter site, I immediately fucked off. I later learned his "company" was based out of his duplex.
Don't work for idea guys unless you have a salaried contract. Even then, I don't hear it's great.
>be me >indie game developer and professional ideas guy >it's a stressful day at the office >the code monkeys become brazen and revolt >"ALL YOU EVER DO IS GIVE IDEAS YOU DON'T CONTRIBUTE SHIT WHILE WE DO ALL THE WORK. ANYONE CAN HAVE IDEAS!" >I calmly tell the team that if this is how they feel, they have a week to come up with a better idea >on the same day the following week we're gathered at a meeting and the leader of the stenographers (that's basically what code monkeys are) begins to pitch his idea >I stop him >"where's the GDD?" >he looks at me funny and asks what the GDD is >mfw I replaced the entire team of these cocky code monkeys with wage slaves from India
>>43129208 >idea guys faces when they dont realize most comp sci majors are selling them shit for code and breaking their dreams for whats basically free money to them I really dont know how people have been getting away with this for so long
>>43129314 Solar Roadways are a good idea though. The solar panels can actually support the weight of the cars and the power they harvest could be used to power homes, saved up to melt snow on the road when traffic is at a minimum and rubber friction isnt keeping the snow from building up and a couple other reasons. Plus we can have cool flashing signs on the road.
>>43132389 >Solar Roadways are a good idea though.
1. Can already barely afford to maintain roads using cheapest building material there is 2. Roads are magnets for dirt which vastly reduces the efficiency of solar panels 3. The panels will be covered by shadows of the vehicles driving over it much of the time further reducing power output.
How about we put solar panels on roofs where there are none of those problems.
>>43130350 >>the rivalry runs so deep, that they literally buy the next company he is hired at and then fire him again They bought bits of THQ because it was being auctioned off cheap when it went under. He obviously got fired again because he can't tolerate shitheads.
>>43132408 by who? You can't copyright an idea unless you have intricately figured out how to make it work and have blueprints drawn up. Otherwise, people would just walk in the patent office and claim random shit like "Solar Powered MP3 player" or "Smart Glasses with video chat Integration" or "Flying car" and someone would have been getting royalties since those things were first thought of decades ago. You can't just copyright an "idea".
>>43132574 >Otherwise, people would just walk in the patent office and claim random shit like "Solar Powered MP3 player" or "Smart Glasses with video chat Integration" or "Flying car" That happens now, except they patent some intentionally vague method and pad the patent with complete shit.
>>43132606 this is true, but what they actually patent is the method to their "idea." If they aren't careful about how vague they are, and don't cover all bases, their shit can be stolen by someone with skills anyway.
>>43132650 The person who gave you the idea cannot claim the rights to the idea unless they know how to make their idea work. Otherwise its just a random thought anyone could have (and probably did 20 years ago) thrown in a comic book or sci-fi movie. You dont walk into a patent office and say "I claim this idea." You can't go to court and say "I thought of telephones with touchscreens back in highschool before smartphones were cool, I demand 500 Million USD because I have a poorly drawn picture as proof."
I never meet idea guys at work. I meet "idea guys" at reunions and picnics and festivals. Some guy I know wants an app which 'automatically chooses songs to sample over when you rap into the microphone' or some similar level of bullshit. I just need to write it.
>>43129154 >pushing the idea has value Exactly, this is what 'innovation' truly is. It is not simply an idea, it is the the implementation of the idea which innovates. I hear every other start-up to big corp throwing that word around these days and it seems very few of them really know what it means.
Jobs saying "I want to sell a locked down system which makes people exclusively buy our products" was just an idea. The innovation was "I want to make things so stupid retards can use them then sell it as a fashion / luxury item because they are too dumb to know better" That is what is a genius idea
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