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>"I'll be the idea guy and you make my mod for me!"
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>>43128744
>mod

Minecraft babby detected.
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>>43128744
>oh you are a CS major?
>that means you can help me make a website right? I can give you pictures and you just make it happen!
>you can help the business department create a finance program and build our website! It will look good on your resume and we can benefit from it too!
>BUILD THIS
>BUILD THAT
>WE CAN GIVE YOU IDEAS
>WHY ARENT YOU DONE WITH THIS YET ON CSI THEY CAN BUILD GOOEYS IN 5 MINUTES FROM MICROSFOT WORD
>IT CANT BE THAT HARD
Honestly they should feel lucky that I am either too lazy to help at all or only willing to offer a minimal foundation for them. If they came to me with an actual good idea for a program or website I would just steal it and claim it as my own. Fuck an 'idea guy'.
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>>43128834
Idea guy master race reporting in. You code monkeys are expendable. Idea guys are the ones who innovate.
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>>43128909
Hey little bitchnigger, Programming idea guy here, I just took your position in middle management because I also double as an IT consultant by default.

Enjoy your shit tier salary and no means whatsoever to troll the shit out of your company where it hurts the most without just burning the server room.
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>>43128909
Hey cunt, Programmer+Composer+Artist idea guy here, looks like YOU'RE the ones that are expendable, have fun having no skills and nothing to bring to the table shitstain!
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>>43128956
Code monkeys are like the Chinese. They are incapable of novel thought. A code monkey cannot be an idea guy.
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>>43128969
>nothing to bring to the table
What about ideas?
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>>43128972
You sound like you also engage in discussions with feminists because of all the truth you hear all day long.
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>>43128972
Keep saying that while you pay us to make your anime porn site
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>>43128983
Ideas are the most worthless resource on the planet, as everyone has them.
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>>43128983
Where can I major in "ideas"?

Also I work at a trend research facility, every idea you could have which amounts to more than "let's have coffee machines in every office", we saw 1-2 coming years ago.

And sold it to customers like VW and Coke.
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>professional idea guy
>100k starting
>any job I want
>always make more money than expendable code monkeys
Face it: coding isn't even that hard. The only reason idea guys don't code is because such menial labor is beneath us. We are the brains of this operation.
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>>43129007
Dont reply to it
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>>43129007
>professional idea guy
translation: baby boomer middle management leech majoring in "business".

You are the kind of people responsible for oil spills and major fuck ups because you don't know what the fuck you're doing.
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>>43129021
the truth hurts.
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>>43129028
But you're lying
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>>43129021
>>43129027
shit.
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>tfw idea guy
>tfw not knowing shit about anything programming related
>tfw you could just start learning, but you think it's too difficult

Realistically speaking, if you want into game development (iOS/Android) specifically for porting/stealing older PC games, how long would it take from absolute zero, to the point where you actually know what you are doing?
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>>43129007
Where can I study to get a Ph.D in ideas?
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Let's face it people: idea guys are a necessity. If it were otherwise, how else could they exist if there were not market demand for them? Maybe if techies were capable of coming up with ideas, we wouldn't need a subset of people to do it for them.
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What the actual fuck? Since when did "idea guys" exist? Is it a serious job? I've been programming for years and I've never encountered an "idea guy". I don't understand.
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>>43128909
Nah, idea guys are expendable. Everybody has a good idea for a cool thing they'd like to see made. The people with skills make sure them happen by either doing it themselves, or hiring the right people for the job.

The idea guys have no useful skills, just a head full of ideas, so they need someone else to make it for them. With neither the skill to make it happen themselves nor the knowledge of the industry they're trying to get involved in, the idea guy hires the wrong people. The idea guy has no idea what his employees are doing, so he will set an unreasonable deadline, or none at all.

The idea guy will never finish his project
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>>43129065
Depends on how dedicated you are. It's not something you can just jump into on a whim.
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>you were here to witness the new epic "idea guy" meme be born
:^)
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>>43129117
I know, but let's assume I spend about 2-3 hours a day learning.
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>>43129003
People need to put ideas into action more often.
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>>43129127
When was that? A decade ago? I've heard the term "idea guy" being thrown around for years
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>>43129139
Exactly, pushing the idea has value, but just having one is worthless.
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>>43129007

Is this you?
>>43127802
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>>43129154
Which is why the idea guy assembles a team of code monkeys and other expendable laborers to bring his ideas into fruition.
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>>43129065
I would say about 2 + years of solid dev cycles to be competent.
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>>43129167
And those code monkeys could easily enforce their on ideas on projects as well.
Besides, if you hire a group of workers to do things for you, you are no longer just a ideas guy
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>>43129065
So your "idea" is "porting/stealing older PC games"?
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>>43129065
3 months - a year depending on what language your learning.

>>43129083
>Idea guys are necessity because they are the only people on the entire planet to ever have ideas.

>Techies are retards who are incapable of thought and need me to use my vast knowledge of pop culture and videogames to come up with marketable ideas.

This is basically why 3/4 startups fail in the first year, and most of us make a living selling tech infrastructure to "idea guys".

Iv lost count of how many times iv heard:
>Iv got this great original idea! Its like facebook but for ____!
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>>43128909
Ideas are worthless without execution and everybody has ideas so to be an "idea guy" means you cant do anything and contribute nothing of value.
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Idea guys are a diamond dozen.
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>>43129212
>and contribute nothing of value.
what about ideas?
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>>43129218
Did you miss the first three words of that post?
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>>43129218
Everybody has ideas. Why would you need an "idea guy" if everybody else on the team who can contribute to execution is also an idea guy
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>>43129226
Ideas aren't worthless, though. If Gabe Newell didn't have an idea we wouldn't have Garry's Mod.
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>>43128834
Hello, Mr Zuckerberg sir.
But seriously, fuck idea guys.

>>43128909
Sure you are. Just like about every single guy after shitty business school.
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>>43129007
I was gonna apply to that position but when I asked if the pay was good, they said I had no idea. So I couldn't apply.
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>>43129244
hue
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>>43129244
Ideas are nearly worthless, it's their execution that matters.
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>>43129254
So you admit ideas are not worthless.
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>>43129244
But the idea was just the starting point for that. A common fallacy of these "idea guys" is thinking "oh, I could have thought of that!" and ignoring all of the actual work and risk that happened in between the idea and the successful implementation of the idea. How many other ideas do you never even hear of because they fucking failed? It's asinine to assume that you're some kind of hotshot just because you can pretend to imitate the fraction of a percent that managed to make something of their ideas, while managing to completely miss the entire point at the same time.
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Riddle me this, code monkeys: if there were no idea guys to come up with good ideas, what would you code?
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>>43128744

> I'm a qualified idea guy
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>kid thinks he and friends can make vidya
>decides they're going to use cryengine, having never made anything simpler
>believes ideas have any value and makes parents sign NDA
>aspirations abandoned weeks later
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>>43129258
Ideas aren't worthless, idea GUYS are, there's a difference.

The reason why idea guys are worthless is because everyone can contribute ideas, no one needs a person that can only contributes ideas. It's far more worthwhile having people that can actually contribute art, code and music in addition to coming up with ideas.
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>>43129306
It depends on the size of the project, although even in a large project the ideas guy would ideally have a managerial role too.
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>>43129258
I admit you need to start from somewhere, like a good idea. Still, I value it much less than a single line written by a code monkey.
Try get some investor money just by selling them an idea and not experienced team. Unless we're talking about the government monnies, then you have retarded ideas being funded, like Solar Roadways.
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>>43129271
Idea guys can be useful, but only when they can explain in great detail how to make their ideas work.
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>>43129271
My ideas
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Why did Ubisoft fire this ideas guy?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrice_D%C3%A9silets
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>>43129316
>but only when they can explain in great detail how to make their ideas work.
Idea guys don't need to worry about those minor details. That is for the code monkeys and other scrubs to figure out.
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>>43129271
software that we needed
Then we'd share our software that we needed in hopes of other people needing them
Idea men are useless as necessity is the mother of invention
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>>43129325
This is why your ideas are never made real.
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>>43129329
>necessity is the mother of invention
What the hell does that even mean? See, you can't even come up with good ideas for cliches and you expect to make games without an idea guy.
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>>43128909
Exacly, Steve Jobs was the innovator, not Wozniack (expandable af). I too am an ideas guy, an innovator, one who thinks different, and I have the great idea for an MMO thats like WoW but with robots. Anyone wanna make $10 developing it for me?
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>>43129369
Make it $12 and im in
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Idea guys are fine if their idea is something revolutionary like Minecraft.
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>>43129379
$10.50, and that's my final offer
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>>43129325
Yep, its a troll thread now. :DDDD
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>>43129394
Deal
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>>43129387
Minecraft is problematic.

http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/DevinWilson/20111210/90780/Minecraft_is_Unrealistic_and_Unethical.php
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_designer#Game_designer

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Lead designer coordinates the work of other designers and is the main visionary of the game.[27][28] Lead designer ensures team communication, makes large design decisions, and presents design outside of the team.[29] Often the lead designer is technically and artistically astute.[30] Keeping well-presented documentation also falls within the lead designer responsibilities.[31] Lead designer may be the founder of a game development company or may be sent by the publisher, if the game's concept is provided by the publisher.[28]

You code monkeys better humble yourselves before you get fired by your superiors. If you want to be a team player, you need to understand that there is a certain order of importance of people who make up a team. You need to understand that YOU are expendable; you write code. You are a stenographer. The lead designer is a visionary. Without him, there would be no game.
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>>43129417
>Vegan mad at the meat being better than plants
Thats hilarious
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>>43129430
Dont reply to it
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>>43129440
They're upset that cows are depicted as overunity engines.
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>>43129456
he couldn't even green arrow properly
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>>43129430
The best game designers also know how to code, so they can better communicate how something should be implemented.
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I will just leave this here. Shigeru Miyamoto, professional idea guy from Japan, famous for coming up with such classics as Donkey Kong and the Zelda series.
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>>43129513
/thread
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>>43129513
Thats all good since he did more than say "build donkey dong!"
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>>43129430
Without his legion of programmers, there would be no game. Without good artists or musicians, his vision would never be realized. Without good marketers, nobody will ever play his game.

A visionary isn't an ideas guy. Its a leader. A good leader is someone who who has experience working on various parts of a previous project. He knows exactly how much work needs to done because he has done the work too. He knows who to hire and what to expect. He's not too lazy to do the work himself, the project is just at such a large scale that you need other people working on it
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>>43129360
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessity_is_the_mother_of_invention
You are retarded
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>>43129571
It's almost like a game is the some of it's parts and every aspect of its creation is important and relies on the other, or something.
Mind = blown
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>>43129763
sum*
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>>43129571
>Without his legion of programmers, there would be no game.
You're starting to sound like some sort of Marxist shill. Get out of here, Shekelstein, we all know it's you.
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>>43129763
I know, right
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>>43129324
>Guy works on Assassin's Creed
>Ubisoft fires him
>the rivalry runs so deep, that they literally buy the next company he is hired at and then fire him again
Wow, just fucking wow. Wonder if they're shooting for three times the charm with that one.
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>>43128744
I worked for an idea guy once. I had some CAD experience and had just gotten some certifications, and was referred to this dude looking for a product developer. While it paid nothing, I thought I needed the experience on my CV.

He was a fucking dumbass, and had no fucking clue what he was doing. He tried to sound like he had some sort of experience in product development or structural engineering, but he only came off as a retard. It was a part time gig, I stuck with it as long as I could. He started demanding more and more of my time. He'd propose a quick hour long meeting and drag it into an entire day. Any time I proposed some sort of improvement or criticism, he'd completely ignore it or put it down. When he told me that his big marketing idea was to put the product on some Kickstarter site, I immediately fucked off. I later learned his "company" was based out of his duplex.

Don't work for idea guys unless you have a salaried contract. Even then, I don't hear it's great.
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I don't understand what people on /g/ have against idea guys. Without them, how would developers come up with their next product?
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>>43131690
Developers can be their own idea guys, it's not hard.
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>>43131768
Then why is there a demand for lead designers if coders already have all the good ideas?
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>>43131783
>why is there a demand for lead designers
Citation?
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>>43131783
There isn't.
There are more people who want to be a lead designer than there are spaces for lead designers.
Anyone can fill those shoes.

However, I do realize that some people are genuinely talented as 'idea guys', but those more often than not, can code as well.
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>>43131783
Designer != idea guy
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>be me
>indie game developer and professional ideas guy
>it's a stressful day at the office
>the code monkeys become brazen and revolt
>"ALL YOU EVER DO IS GIVE IDEAS YOU DON'T CONTRIBUTE SHIT WHILE WE DO ALL THE WORK. ANYONE CAN HAVE IDEAS!"
>I calmly tell the team that if this is how they feel, they have a week to come up with a better idea
>on the same day the following week we're gathered at a meeting and the leader of the stenographers (that's basically what code monkeys are) begins to pitch his idea
>I stop him
>"where's the GDD?"
>he looks at me funny and asks what the GDD is
>mfw I replaced the entire team of these cocky code monkeys with wage slaves from India
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>>43129271

>Not being a hybrid idea code monkey

This time next year I'll have made my own floppy burds game. Then I'll just live of that.
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>>43129208
>idea guys faces when they dont realize most comp sci majors are selling them shit for code and breaking their dreams for whats basically free money to them
I really dont know how people have been getting away with this for so long
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>>43129314
Solar Roadways are a good idea though. The solar panels can actually support the weight of the cars and the power they harvest could be used to power homes, saved up to melt snow on the road when traffic is at a minimum and rubber friction isnt keeping the snow from building up and a couple other reasons. Plus we can have cool flashing signs on the road.
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>>43128834
you can be sued
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>>43132389
>Solar Roadways are a good idea though.

1. Can already barely afford to maintain roads using cheapest building material there is
2. Roads are magnets for dirt which vastly reduces the efficiency of solar panels
3. The panels will be covered by shadows of the vehicles driving over it much of the time further reducing power output.

How about we put solar panels on roofs where there are none of those problems.
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>>43132487
u rite
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>>43130350
>>the rivalry runs so deep, that they literally buy the next company he is hired at and then fire him again
They bought bits of THQ because it was being auctioned off cheap when it went under. He obviously got fired again because he can't tolerate shitheads.
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An idea guy is a liability in a tech organization. What you really need is lots of people who can deliver and then steal yours ideas off the companies that hire idea guys.
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>>43132408
by who? You can't copyright an idea unless you have intricately figured out how to make it work and have blueprints drawn up. Otherwise, people would just walk in the patent office and claim random shit like "Solar Powered MP3 player" or "Smart Glasses with video chat Integration" or "Flying car" and someone would have been getting royalties since those things were first thought of decades ago. You can't just copyright an "idea".
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>Idea guy and CS major masterrace
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>>43132574
>Otherwise, people would just walk in the patent office and claim random shit like "Solar Powered MP3 player" or "Smart Glasses with video chat Integration" or "Flying car"
That happens now, except they patent some intentionally vague method and pad the patent with complete shit.
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>i will make the icon and wallpaper. you guys do the rest
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All said and done, I think we've all learned today that programmers can't really come up with any good ideas.
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>>43132574
The person who gave you the idea.
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>>43129513
was more than just 'idea guy' .. he was a proper designer

As a 'code monkey' , im happy to work with qualified designers, analysts and people who have a clue in what they are doing

the generic 'i have an idea' people can fuck off
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>>43132606
this is true, but what they actually patent is the method to their "idea." If they aren't careful about how vague they are, and don't cover all bases, their shit can be stolen by someone with skills anyway.

>>43132650
The person who gave you the idea cannot claim the rights to the idea unless they know how to make their idea work. Otherwise its just a random thought anyone could have (and probably did 20 years ago) thrown in a comic book or sci-fi movie. You dont walk into a patent office and say "I claim this idea." You can't go to court and say "I thought of telephones with touchscreens back in highschool before smartphones were cool, I demand 500 Million USD because I have a poorly drawn picture as proof."
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>>43129099
You're not supposed to know about them.
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>>43132735

I never meet idea guys at work. I meet "idea guys" at reunions and picnics and festivals. Some guy I know wants an app which 'automatically chooses songs to sample over when you rap into the microphone' or some similar level of bullshit. I just need to write it.
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there is no such thing as an "Idea guy" they don't exist. It's true software engineers that come up with the idea.
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>>43132180
But you're not "just an ideas guy", you're a designer. That's different
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>>43132180
Why would you ask them where their Game Design Document was? From what you said, they weren't making a game, hence no GDD.
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>>43129154
>pushing the idea has value
Exactly, this is what 'innovation' truly is. It is not simply an idea, it is the the implementation of the idea which innovates. I hear every other start-up to big corp throwing that word around these days and it seems very few of them really know what it means.

Jobs saying "I want to sell a locked down system which makes people exclusively buy our products" was just an idea. The innovation was "I want to make things so stupid retards can use them then sell it as a fashion / luxury item because they are too dumb to know better" That is what is a genius idea
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>>43128744
>tfw you will forever be an idea guy
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>>43133395
It's alright, being an idea guy is great according to a lot of people in this thread
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>>43133465
it is if you were born rich
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