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What thinkpad does onii-chan use?
Non-owner here, was thinking of buying a T410. Found one for 160 USD and it seems like a good price. I want something I can install OS X onto for cheap to have fun with it
i5 540m 2.53ghz
Is this a solid deal or is there something I'm missing?
Just got an X220 last week for around 450
i7-2640M @ 2.8GHz
The good news is the LED strip lights up!
The bad news is the dimming doesn't seem to work. Lowering brightness does jack shit, increasing it kinda blinks it, the brightness decreases for a fraction of a second, then goes back to normal.
You can afford pretty much any Sandy Bridge model, maybe Ivy Bridge if you're lucky/patient.
Unless you're counting upgrades too, like SSD + RAM, etc. Then just stick to looking for Sandy Bridge models.
X201 or X220?
Light, quiet, cool temps, and long battery life are the most important aspects here. No external display will be used.
X220 has the IPS display that's great to look at, but gets white spots, and is a shitty 16:9 1366x768. However it does have the newer processor, and the juicy slice battery.
X201 has 16:10, but it's 1280x800. TN iirc, so it will be dimmer. Also apparently it heats up pretty well, and won't be as battery efficient. It is however $200 cheaper as a whole, and supposedly has better build quality.
I'm going to be running Xubuntu, Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian, or Crunchbang on it almost exclusively. The most resource intensive thing I'll be running is going to be a win8 VM, and Eclipse for android development.
I had made up my mind earlier about getting the x220, but someone in a previous thread suggested the x201 will be more enjoyable. I'm coming from a T61, so either of them is going to be a downgrade in resolution.
Anyone ever use both?
I have an X200 and an X230. You probably want the newer processor, much better battery life, ability to use a mSATA SSD and IPS screen of the X220, but I'd get a dock and another monitor if you want to use an IDE on it. In my experience the major problem with the screen is not white spots but image retention.
>Read these threads.
>See people cumming all over their thinkpads and other stupid shit.
>Decide to just buy new.
>95% NTSC gamut
Check your resolution privilege
T420s has no IPS, but can take the better X1 Carbon panel.
Keep us apprised, anon.
CPU whine. Probably out of luck.
Reseat heatsink or swap the RAM stick locations.
I posted this in the last thread, but then I passed out.
I've been here before, when I was having issues with my T60p's GPU overheating.
I used the copper penny trick with AS5.
Anyways, it was running pretty hot recently, so I cleaned it with alcohol and applied new thermal gel, still AS5.
I've also done something I can't remember that allows me to set the fan at full speed withecho level disengaged | sudo tee /proc/acpi/ibm/fan.
Still,cat /proc/acpi/ibm/thermalgives:temperatures: 82 54 44 94 50 -128 40 -128 51 67 71 -128 -128 -128 -128 -128
Apparently, the 4th is the GPU, which shuts itself off at 100. It's no longer better than the 94-96 I had yesterday, but what's wrong?
Did I possibly wear my already probably tired fan out? Should I invest in a new one? How much should I expect to pay for one if I should? Could someone recommend a seller if I should?
The penny is indeed pre-1982 and thusly copper.
I bought a T60 to fuck with. It has decent stats right now, but I'm looking to beef it up, maybe swap out the board for something with a little more juice. Does anyone have experience with swapping boards? Was thinking of at least the T61p, but can you do like a 200 or 400 series board in a T60 case?
Me too, that's why I want to know.
Not really, I just want to use it and have fun with it. I mean it's only $20 bucks, it's not like I'm going homeless for it
Also, there's a T60 for $75 and it looks to be in perfect condition with higher-end specs, and the guy only used it for like a month because it was a work computer. Thoughts?
Oh, I thought you were the one selling
If the battery is crapping out at only 30 minutes then you need a new battery. Get a generic battery because the genuine ones are expensive as fuck and one of the higher-end generic 9cells can last almost 7 hours.
Does ANYONE worry of the hinges breaking everytime you leave your Laptop alone? I don't even close it, I just leave it half-way, but I fucking worry.
Even had a nightmare of it once.
>ThinkPad metal hinges
this is why we don't buy eMachines here
X-series Tablets. There is an X200 Tablet and there is X200 non-tablets. Also X201, X220, X230, and older models such as X60, X61.
See that's what I fucking mean right there. I must have gotten TOO attached to my Laptop, because this is the only form of connection I'll ever get.
Hello /g/ Please stop with the hipster threads and by a new laptop.
Pic related its my laptop compared to yours.
Here's an X220 Tablet, which is notably skinnier than the X200 or X201.
(pay no attention to the actual content please)
Using a T400 with Gentoo as my main computer, it's pretty good. I bought it refurbished for $400 for some reason. I don't know what they refurbished exactly, it has a scratch on the screen and the Core 2 Duo sticker was replaced with a Centrino sticker. Got an SSD, it's nice. Overall very good even if I could have got it a lot cheaper.
>tfw no coreboot support
Also, it's a digitizer, not a stylus.
Styluses are just sticks, digitizers have batteries in them that enable the use of buttons and pressure sensitivity.
Also since it is Wacom based, you can use several other Wacom digitizers that are much better when it comes to pressure sensitivity, if you're into drawing.
About this much
I got mine for $350 though.
>buy a new laptop
Except I'm POOR, you insensitive fuck. Either way, after having tried the thinkpad, used and all, I have to say I still prefer it over any modern laptop. It's cheap and works bretty good, the keyboard is like sex to my fingers, trackpoint and no touchpad is a miracle, it's sturdy and reliable, the retro business look is just a plus.
There is no battery with wacom. It's powered by some coils under the display.
Likewise though, you can't use too many wacom pens with it. The Intuos line's pens for example is incompatible.
>The Intuos line's pens for example is incompatible.
Wacom uses different frequencies or something for their own products and OEMs. HP, Samsung (including Note phones) and ThinkPad are all intercompatible, but not compatible with Wacom branded devices.
Whelp, now it's time to look for what connection went wrong.
Hm... I suppose I should write a little bit of troubleshooting too, since it's probably unreasonable to expect perfect assembly first try.
If you're still here, can you post your closeup assembly pic from before? Failing anything obvious to spot, I can list the voltages you should see at each connection...
The usual problem, actually, is either a bad connection to surface mount or accidentally breaking one of the surface mount components :-( But aside from being annoying, it's the worst case.
It's not a universally true statement.
And there are indeed Wacom branded devices that can user interchangeable pens. I know for a fact there are a few Cintiq pens that work.
I don't know how Wacom pens work exactly, I just know there are some that work and others that just don't for unknown reasons. The only consistent thing I found was that non-display device pens (such as bamboo and intuos) will not work with Tablet PC's and drawing tablets with displays built in.
Otherwise, it's kind of a lottery. Some Cintiq pens work, some other Tablet PC pens work, such as the Fujitsu Lifebooks, etc. etc.
Anyone else with a tablet have issues with rotation under linux? I get pretty bad tearing, and the screen dimensions don't seem to rotate with it so I have huge fonts from the messed up PPI
As far I'm aware, the wacom implementation in tablet PCs is a relatively old technology related to the UD. As such, pens from other tablet computing devices with wacom digitisers are compatible. As for the cintiq, that's another can of worms but the guess is that it's something related to such.
N-trig pens don't work for obvious reasons though.
I love my x220 tablet, but I wish I got the x200 or x201 instead. The reason I went with the 220 was because I thought I wanted a trackpad, but after about a week of using it I disabled the trackpad in the bios.
So I decided I really want to get an x220, problem is I currently live in China. Now I could potentially wait until I'm back in Vancouver for a bit next month to buy one on Craigslist but there's no guarantee one will be available. I could also buy one online here in China. Searching taobao I found this one that seems like a decent price, can anyone confirm?
Configuration C2: ThinkPad X220/I5-2410M/2.5G-3.2G / Memory 2G/320GB HDD / 12.5 "(1366x768) LED / Bluetooth / camera / lithium Countdowns 3050 yuan Configuration Description: With I5 processor, strong performance, main shop recommended.
Comes out to around $530
>buying electronics in Asia
unless you are going for "slide to unclock" knockoffs. Don't
>You're the first person I've seen say it's shit
Really? It's pretty common knwolege the x220 is garbage
>What makes you say that?
Shit 16:9 1366x768 screen
Shit build quality
x201 was the last good x series
Is there a T series with a decent screen? Or should I go with >>43110698
Or is there some frankenpad like that? The T430 can be affixed with the X1 screen IIRC, but it's not that good and it's pretty expensive
>desing has gone to shit, is MBA copy now
>keyboard is not the classic one
>a bunch of classic thinkpad features are gone
It's not much, it's still a good laptop, but lost most of what made the thinkpads good
>those uber shitty screens and low resolutions
Might as well get a rMBP
Here's one that looks like a good deal, it's a tablet convertible which have IPS screens unlike the normal ones
>tfw no x201 tablet
Is the tablet function useful at all or should I just stick to conventional laptops?
He lied, it's not even good for drawing furry shit. The digitizer is crap and the screen edges are useless.
Lelnovo tablets a shit. Convertible cloud terminals are the future. A hundred years from now we will walk up to a public station and grab a google chrometab running a proprietary google OS to check our Freedomnet™-enabled facebook accounts.
The keyboard unit will be an extra credit. And they will explode if you try to install free software.
Don't be a luddite, get modern today!
I think I'm stuck between the x220 and the x201 now. I honestly haven't been able to find anyone else that says the x220 is shit, in fact it seems most everyone loves it. What would you all say the upper limit for pricepoint on these two models is?
You can flip the screen around and wave it over your head, showing the entire world your gay wolf porn framed in a black plastic border.
Then you can drop it and buy a 15" Retina Macbook Pro
The x220 is objectively worse than the x201 in every way but the processor, ask anyone
If you need the extra power for games or something go for the x220, otherwise get the x201, it's cheaper and better
>What would you all say the upper limit for pricepoint on these two models is?
x201 - $200
x220 - $300
>walk into a random plaza
>put on a mask
>grab a tablet
>draw furry shit and throw it at someone
>the face identification system kicks in and recognizes whoever catches the tablet as the artist
>it's automatically uploaded to facebook
>continue even after cops come
quick scanning and Im seeing a bunch at buy it now $199 with free shipping. everything but the os is included. Thats just the BIN prices too, if you bid then it will be way under $200
Seems like to be $200 it has to be somewhat damaged or beat up, which isn't what I'm looking for.
These two seem decent: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X201-12-1-Laptop-Core-i5-540M-2-53GHz-2GB-320GB-w-Win-7-Pro-x64-/141351023900?pt=Laptops_Nov05&hash=item20e92d751c&_uhb=1
You seem to be right that they're aren't any decent priced x201's at the moment for some reason, you can usually find many good ones for <$200 but right now the only ones <$200 have something wrong with them
Maybe wait a bit?
I would just buy another mobo on ebay. they're like $15~25 bucks. I had the same problem with my t400 ati heating up like crazy. Tried everything, from repasting to undervolting to making the fan run 100%, and buying a copper shim for the gpu. shit still ran hot as fuck. Got fed up and i got another mobo on ebay
Oh. I'll just try to use it in cold environments for now.
I'm going to uni in less than a month and don't really want to go through the trouble right now.
I wouldn't even know a reputable seller and how I should pick out a motherboard really.
It's possible I could get a worse one anyways.
Man, the time difference doesn't help at all. It's 12.00 here now.
Sadly the batteries of my point and shoot just died so I can't take pics right now. My phone has a potato camera (pic related) Should be charged in a couple of hours.
I can post some old pics but a couple of connections have been redone since then to cut down the size and to replace the smd cap I broke while filing the board down. I think it would help other anons a fair deal if you updated the board modding page to mention the size constraints in more detail, preferably at the point the board is as bare as it gets. Other than that it's great really.
X220 owner here, still running windoze, haven't bothered to try to into linux since my last experiment with installing OpenSUSE on an eMachines D725, which ended in vain since I couldn't get anything to work to my liking, couldn't even load websites without getting disconnected (this was with wired ethernet)
What exactly does it mean by "Thinkpads have good linux compatibility"? Does this mean that all my stuff like wifi drivers will work with linux right out of the box without need for manually installing drivers?
I'm planning to get an mSATA SSD for my X220 some time in the future and install #! on it, and I don't want to have to fiddle with shit just to get it working right, I want it to just werk so I can start fiddling with how the god damn file system works, and then get to ricing or something.
I'll recheck the solder joints now. There were some sketchy places but I think I fixed them up well enough. As for the voltages, I only have a shitty $1 chink DMM on me at the moment but it should do fine for troubleshooting.
>I think it would help other anons a fair deal if you updated the board modding page to mention the size constraints in more detail, preferably at the point the board is as bare as it gets. Other than that it's great really.
Yeah. I winced when I realized there was a millimeter that needed to go to fit it into the non-tablet. I had tested all the board builds on bare motherboards, and the Tablet had tons of space-- didn't check the X61regular clearnces carefully enough until it was time to take pics.
Shitty DMM will do fine. Unfortunately, I need to go out the door, won't be back for a few hours. But I'll check in then.
seems like linux might be outside your comfort zone kid. crunchbang and debian don't have proprietary drivers, which means you're more than likely going to have to manually install wifi drivers. stuff like mint and ubuntu usually work out of the box though, and you can install openbox on them so you can look super cool with your anime wallpaper!!!
Sounds like the kind of thing /g/ would laugh at me for using.
It's not outside my comfort zone - I just get frustrated every time I try to do something and it doesn't work, and I can't be arsed to find the solution for it after.
>caring what /g/ thinks
if /g/ really knew as much about linux as they want you to think, they would realize that distros such as arch or gentoo offer nothing over ubuntu and its derivatives. go with xubuntu if you're too scared of "bloat" on your $200 processor and 500GB hdd
No, I'm just saying that when you're setting up the more hands on distros there will often be times where you try something and it doesn't work. Once you get them set up they're great distros and I personally enjoy the troubleshooting but just because the majority of the people here feel the need to prove themselves with their leet hacking skills doesn't mean you should feel bad about using whatever distro or even OS you want.
is 45c ok temp? x230 -- i5-3320m, running memtest86+
bought myself a 400 euro asus laptop but its slow as fuck and keeps overheating and being loud, so i want to get rid of it. how is the thinkpad market in europe? are there as many offers as in US?
Friend recently dropped of an i Series 1171. Not sure what to do with it except use it as a door stop for the time being.
Take Arch for instance. Once you get through the fairly long install process (which I actually recommend you do sometime, teaches you a lot about linux) you're greeted by a blinking terminal. No GUI, no preinstalled apps. Anything you want you need to get yourself. For a lot of people, including me, this is great because I WANT to choose everything I use. However for a first time linux user who doesn't sound too into doing stuff the hard way I really don't recommend it. Also you mentioned Crunchbang which I haven't used myself but it basically comes prericed.
Seriously? But this thing still runs after 14 years. That's impossible!
Could anyone with experience with Hackintosh tell me if it would be a good idea to install Snow Leopard (Mac OS 10.6.8) on a T400?
Snow Leopard is my favorite operating system and I prefer it to Linux (which I have been using for 2 years on this laptop), but if it's going to run like shit I'm not going to bother with it.
Last time I checked 3 people encouraged me to get the x220, now it's all
>you appear to be lost, this is a thinkpad thread
But I digress. Loving my x220.
That's why I'm really confused. In general, /g/ was always shilling the X220 but now everyone and their mom seems to hate it. Thinking of getting one anyway because it suits my needs, fuck these hipsters.
x220 is the last one worth buying. nobody on /g/ will dispute that without trolling. the x200 was more archetypal of the thinkpad series which is the only reason people half-jokingly bash on the x220.
it's probably negligible unless you're an autist but you have to consider that they were a lot cheaper than the previous models when new and also more compact. you're probably going to sacrifice some build quality. the keyboard is fine.
It really depends on how far you're willing to take it. The manufacturers of the keyboards didn't change. But the heat concerning the double height escape and delete keys is the major pivot. Although a the key shape and gap change may be a point of debate.
It is however certain that such a point was when the type of plastic used was changed. The previous iterations took longer to show wear. Although I recall the lead designer spinning this change in plastic to indicate the individual user's habits.
Insert was shifted to the left, to make room for a double height Delete. Esc is also double height, but now it is in the correct position. A hit and a miss, if this is good or bad, that's your call.
whats the deal about thinkpads? is it only because the compatibility with lunix? if you had 1500eur would you still buy a thinkpad? what about those new ultrabooks with bling bling cases, infinite power, and lightweight?
gnu + loonix
KEYBOARD on the 2012 and previous models
cheap on the used market thanks to corporate popularity
that being said, if I had infinite money I would probably own a Dell XPS 13 developer edition
People here worship them because they're durable, have trackpoints, and are cheap. They're pretty unremarkable in terms of features, but they're solid enough.
>if you had 1500eur would you still buy a thinkpad?
I would buy a cheap one and spend the rest of the money on something I cared about more than a laptop, but if that money had to be spent on a laptop I would probably just buy a macbook pro
holy shit, I do believe you're right. lel, I distinctly remember double checking the pinout and being disappointed that the flat side was up and not down. Figures.
Well at least it a relatively easy fix.
flipped the fet and guess what - dimming still doesn't work! On the upside, lowering brightness no longer blinks the leds, now it does the same thing as increasing brightness, i.e. nothing.
Judging from the brightness and heat, it's stuck on 100%
Even tried booting into windows and gnu/linux, still nothing. The brightness indicator works but the actual brightness doesn't change.
You can't compare a 200€ laptop with one of >500€. When I bought my ultrabook for some months ago, for less than 900€ you couldn't get a FHD screen.
How do you use a 200€ laptop? VMs, Eclipse, ST with multiple opened files, multiple browsers with multiple tabs, music, several random open apps...
I Would never get a MBP. And the Dell XPS13 was my second option, my third was the Samsung L9. I end up buying an Asus Zenbook.
The thing is a used Thinkpad isn't a cheap laptop, it's a very expensive laptop that is bought old and second hand.
For instance with the T6x you're paying a hundred bucks for a product that some guy seven years ago paid two or three thousand dollars for. Over time HDs get too small, processors get too slow but build quality is build quality.
A big part of this is that it seems like CPU, RAM and HDs become obsolete a LOT slower these days. Is a Core 2 Duo, 3GB of RAM and 160GB of storage bad? A little bit. But it's not a 386 with 640k, you know what I mean? Hardware from the last couple generations lasts ridiculously long and I'm not entirely sure why.
>Hardware from the last couple generations lasts ridiculously long and I'm not entirely sure why.
It's been decided that the masses shouldnt own processing power anymore. Computation power is moving in to the cloud instead, where anyone other than us controls it.
They can't just raid houses to confiscate cpus and gpus, so generally available processing power is being phased out by drying up advances on the consumer side and dumping everything in to "cloud".
There is no competition, and we're starting to hit physical limits. Progress is slowing, the free lunch is over and software authors are not taking extra free computer power for granted.
how did I do /g/? I had no idea what I was doing, I am still using an old acer aspire 5810tz-4657 so I think this will be a step up. Any recommendations?
i just bough that. if the latch need a replacement im just going to do it. also the cpu is good. and i can fix pretty much anything . i think its a good deal
Could be the wifi switch
The price was a bit high, but you will enjoy the heck out of this.
I'd recomend getting an SSD and a new battery depending on how well does the original one, you could also consider a 3.0 USB express card
well depends on how fast you want it, 260 isn't horrible, but personally i would wait for lower
not a shit deal, i'd just say average to high-limit for a T510, going above 260 would be an impulse buy IMO but i'm shrewd
op is slav
i can tell it from keyboard stains
Damn I thought I stole it considering it has the i7 processor and 8 gigs of ram
:( I thought I was getting a damn good deal, I guess I should lurk g more than pol, kek
thanks for the small consolation
I think 1366x768
Good evening everyone. I had a T61 for 3 years, loved it and upgraded nearly every part, but it finally got too old and started to bluescreen.
Currently have an X220 which is nice, with the extended battery, but the screen is just a little bit too small for some special software I use.
Tried a T410 for a few months last year - sub-par keyboard, horrible trackpad (like the X220), noisy and hot. Went back to T61. T-series is a bit big for me though really.
Right now I'm considering an X301
>Dat 1440x900 display
>Dem physical dimensions
>Doze input devices
Any other X301 owners here? Any recommendations to get one or not?
Pic related, me using my T61 in the back of a private jet.
>implying onii-chan uses thinkpad
>implying anyone uses thinkpad
>implying dell is not the choice of standard onii-chan for blending in/not being shitty thinkpad
before I get into how you're wrong, let's just clear the air here: you're a dumbass.
>"ssd's are just placebo, am i jobs yet"
>ssd's have massively improved bus speed to mobo
>ssd's have more reliability
>ssd's have faster internal bus speed
for the rest of you tech-inepts still on cpu overclocking, bus speed is how fast the data pushes. Your current bottleneck is hard drive speed. An ssd is actually immensely cheaper now than it was 2-3 months ago, cause it's doing the whole moore's law shit. What's so good about an ssd is the above traits, platter drives are lacking against them in every way except price, except at comparable rates, where ssd's actually are cheaper, like scsi's v ssd's, and better as well.
Now if you wanna be a cheap ass like mr. thinkpad, then stay at the bottom rungs of the tech field.
I repeat my stance. You sir, are a dumbass.
no, that's a made in china* look.
>except I'm POOR AND EVERYONE SHOULD FEEL BAD FOR ME SOB SOB SOB
cut your triggered bitch ass out of g, /b/itch.
>sex to my fingers
yeah, if you're into fucking 80 year old men.
>trackpoint and no touchpad is a miracle
tell me all about your workflow optimization on projects, please, go on.
You dumb tumblr fuck.
Parts and labor make modding a T60 not particularly worthwhile. If you want a more powerful 16:10 experience just get a T500 (Radeon model) or W500, it has the exact same form factor as the 16:10 T60.
People only bother to put T61 boards in T60 machines when they have a T60 with the rare 4:3 Flexview IPS screens.
Thanks for the input. What if I put in a new OEM main battery and ultrabay battery?
I think you're right about finding a clean one, however price isn't that much of a factor. My budget is about GBP400.
How slow is "borderline too slow"?
Trying to update my T61p's BIOS. I popped in a random Windows 8 disc that I had lying around and installed it. But whenever I try to run the update it says "Driver Loading failed. The Utility cannot proceed".
Am I doing something wrong?
There was this old book that described the procedure to do so in an old ThinkPad model, as well as how to expand memory on an old Palm device.
It would be trivial to build something attachable to the power plug.
Intel Core i7 2nd Gen.
Graphics Processing Type:
NVIDIA NVS 3100M
Hard Drive Capacity:
Will this outperform my desktop with a haswell i5? Do you think it will run civ V? Also what all do I need to do to put an ssd in it?
Like I said I am new to the whole thinkpad 'scene', I chose the thinkpad because there are a million parts for them and I figure /g/ can help me through any troubles I may encounter.
I have no idea how powerful your desktop is. The thing should be able to run Civ V, it isn't that intensive of a game afterall. Installing an SSD is just unscrewing the current HD and sliding in the new one.