Allowed: DOS/Windows 3.x/9x/NT/2000, Amiga
Allowed, but discouraged: Pre-OS X Macs
Not allowed: OS X Macs, Windows XP
I've been thinking of buying some old hardware, rigging it up to a web interface and letting /g/ play with it, any suggestions as to what I could get? I wanna keep the price low, I don't wanna spend more than a few hundred bucks, but I'd be glad to own some old machines so the price could be flexible. I'm an ausfag, so I have trouble finding this stuff.
How 'old' are we talking? You can go find a Pentium 2 in your local recycler or landfill, ditto for a 386 machine if you look hard enough. No need to spend hundreds of dollars unless you are looking for an original IBM PC with the works.
Anyone have any of these?
Byte Magazine, July 1988 Issue
How about Z80 based CP/M systems with 8" floppy drives connected to a VDT, that retro enough for you?
Pic related, IEEE696 bus system I used to own.
I'm talking 60's to pre windows machines. Rare stuff that most people wouldn't have a chance to actually use. Not just a few Win98 boxes, might as well just use a virtual machine for that.
Eh, if I could get a serial connection to it, or just replace the keyboard with a dummy that speaks in serial then pointed a webcam at the screen I'd be fine. I could get any machine rigged up to the web, I'm just trying to work out if there's any specific machines I should be looking for.
They were designed for a different set of tasks altogether than Macs and Amigas. The latter were more for multimedia and desktop publishing while PCs were for number-crunching and office work. Note that the HP 386 in OP pic is shown running AutoCAD.
What is your collection /retro-g/?
Personally I've got:
? A Victor V86p PC-XT clone laptop running DOS 4.0.
? An Amiga 500 rev.6 w/ AmigaOS 1.3.
? An Amstrad CPC 6128 w/ a CP/M 2.2 floppy.
? A PC-9801N.
? A Dell Dimension 433si i486DX2-based PC-AT clone running MS-DOS 6.22 & Windows 3.1.
? An Apple Power-Machintosh 4400 with NO RAM AT ALL (VRAM and cache are missing too), but I got it for free.
? A DEC VT-420 dumb terminal.
? A few Pentium II/III-based PC clones, one being a Dual CPU server machine.
PCs were built for and used by the business world. They specialized in spreadsheets, mathematical calculations and word processing.
Amigas were toted as the multimedia and musical machine. They caught the attention of producers, video technicians and the like.
Macs were eventually pushed into the niche of desktop publishing because any other feature they had was already inferior compared to the plethora of other computers out there that could do it better.
The Mac II was part of Louis Agasse's philosophy of building high-end computers that had a guaranteed profit margin of over 50%, but he encountered considerable resistance and was fired in 1990.
TI had the COS and couldn't survive making anything but calculators
how about contributing then so i'm not the only one posting.
and i'm not OP i just like these old ads and was hoping to get some "new" ones for my collection
Would be nice if I had any to contribute. I've seen some neat ones, just didn't save them...
wait, the guy who's dumping pics we want is the one who has poor posting etiquette?
my last one sorry its a little newer than the rest but still nostalgic and funny
Thanks for all the pics, it's alway nice to see this kind of good old ads. I have a few ones, but they're not all in English. I'll post them anyway.
yeah, I alway loved the CPC mascot.
These are still being used in our accounting department. Some fag has been trying to migrate the data on them to a more modern platform (Filemaker, he's a fag) for three years, obviously without success. Also, there is no back up.
>I'm not old enough to have been around for the C64/Apple/early DOS era so I like this kind of stuff better anyway
Yeah...the fact that you use a trip pretty much demonstrates that you're <19.
Well this one is in english.
Nice guess, Sherlock. I used to hate tripfags too but I got over myself. Look at this funny case mod!
cute fact: the ROM in the 650 seems to be the one best supported by Basilisk II
not that I'd use BII for production anything (it's not entirely stable, even less so if you try to give it a network connection)
but you could pretty easily back the machine up and have a way to keep the data available in case the hardware goes
you talking about my computer
asw 1337 h4ck3r Nef Quintero would say
"Ohh shit, looks so hard right??"
Holy shit?! Quad booting?!
Now I can install Windows 2000, Windows NT 4.0, Windows 98, and Loonix!
TI-99/4As suffered from a number of crippling architectural deficiencies. One of these was using the VRAM for the main system RAM since the computer used a 16-bit CPU and would have otherwise needed faster, more expensive memory. Unfortunately, this meant that the CPU could only access the RAM during the vertical retrace.
Even worse, the BASIC was double-interpreted since like everyone else, TI licensed Microsoft's BASIC, but nobody there knew how to program the oddball 9900 CPU, so they were provided with an intermediate language to write BASIC in.
>Computers nowadays make it easy to get stuff done.
>But what do you do when you want to spend more time getting the computer ready than using it?
>This time we cover Arch, on the Computer Chronicles!
Also too expensive to compete with 8-bit computers like the Atari 800 since, even with these price-cutting measures, a 16-bit machine was still inevitably going to cost more. Finally, TI retained rigid control over the 99/4A and discouraged outside software development. This was in contrast to Apple and Commodore who fully documented their machines and actively promoted software devs. This was often the case with many early microcomputer companies (Radio Shack was another offender) whereby they tried to maintain tight reign over software released for their machines while not stopping to think that nobody will buy a computer that has nothing to run on it.
The end result being that there was little software for the TI 99/4A other than kiddie eduware.
True, iirc the popular package was called something along the lines of video toaster..
This doesn't mean the PS/2 couldn't do colour and sound tho. I know, I owned a couple of them. No where near as nice as the PC 5150.
Not a PC, but relevant. Livermore data system analog modem. It has a telephone handset inside that you place on the receiver. I saw one of these one Ebay before and I kind regret not grabbing it.
Yeah this definitely would have trouble with colour and sound, but I loved it.
I know the 5150 was the model name for the original IBM PC, but I didn't imagine he'd actually be referring to that because there's no way someone would think a 4.77Mhz 8088 was more powerful than the PS/2 line.
PS/2s seem to have a lot of issues with flaky floppy drives. I hear a lot of stories in these threads of people who have a PS/2 with a dead floppy. Must be the supplier that IBM used.
I never really cared for PS/2s or wanted one in my collection.
BTW, you can replace the floppies with a standard type, but you'll need an adapter to split the power because the data ribbon cable also contains the power lines.
I want to get an older PC and upgrade it to a 90's gaming PC
It doesn't have to have all the parts I've got quite a few from that era laying around, including a Voodoo2 I want to put in it. (Don't worry, it's in an anti-static bag, in a box, with some non-static foam)
I was looking for something along the lines of a Pentium MMX 233MHz and 64MB RAM.
I would buy one off eBay but I'm not about to pay $200+ for an EBIC YELLOWED RETRO GAYMEN PC COVERED IN SODA STAINS AND STICKERS XDDDDDDDDDD
I've tried the thrift stores around here and all they carry is shit like $20 stereos and clothing, and the pawn shops won't take anything older than 4 years.
Any idea on where I could go guys?
Good to know you're paying that close attention. You're right ofc, but I always had a model m, so to me it's a "5150 keyboard". I think they only provided the other one for a few years, and people hated it.
IBM did produce a version of the Model M for XTs, but it requires a 1986 or later BIOS. The 5150 can't use the extra keys on this thing.
Byte and back catalogs of other titles are being scanned on a semi-regular basis. Full downloads, no watermarks, no bullshit: https://archive.org/details/computermagazines
Later XTs also became available with 3.5" floppies, but you'll need to use the DRVPARM function in CONFIG.SYS to tell DOS there's one present because otherwise it thinks the drive is 360k 5.25". In that case, the FORMAT command won't format disks to 720k and DOS will not be able to access anything but the first 40 tracks of the floppy. This isn't a problem with self-booting diskettes (eg. games) because they have their own internal disk access routines.
Remember: XTs don't have CMOS memory, only DIP switches, so they have no way to differentiate between floppy types.
>The end result being that there was little software for the TI 99/4A other than kiddie eduware.
I see plenty of games, some accounting/word processing software, and some other stuff.
Reddit is for autists who can't comprehend satire.
I got an Apple IIe from a garage sale a year ago for $25. Included a monochrome monitor, duodisk reader, a tackle box full of floppys, and printer.
Don't know if the printer works, and I have yet to actually do anything with it besides writing 'Hello World' a dozen different ways.
Heh, nice. I've never saw one at that price in my country, they're alway way overpriced.
You can try to learn to code in machine language from a BASIC interpreter. That's what I've done with my Amstrad CPC.
I was a kid in the 80s and I had that ad pinned to my corkboard as a hint to my parents.
Never got the Apple. Ended up with an Amiga 500 instead, so everything turned out for the best.
>but I still need to get a serial to USB dongle converter thing.
Are you using a desktop PC? You might not even need a usb dongle. Lots of motherboards still have the serial and parallel port headers on the motherboard. My brand new asus h97m-plus have those headers right below the bottom PCIe slot.
You can salvage them from old PCs, or get one from ebay/china.
I've seen much cheaper ones too, also with free shipping from china.
I own 2 Osborne-1 systems, with a single copy of the original CP/M 1.0 OS disk.
a Panasonic "Portable" Sr-Partner with integrated thermal printer
an original Mac 512k with external floppy disk and a new copy of System 3.2.
a PowerMac 7200/120 with 32mb ram, extra cache module, and a 1.2GB SCSI hard drive.
an AT&T laptop from 1993, with Windows 3.1 on it, and all original software from 1993 pre-installed by AT&T corporate.
a Leading Edge laptop from ~1990, with 2mb of ram.
a couple Model M IBM keyboards I saved from the trash heap
oh, and a working Atari 2600 with a couple games.
I had a working Thinkpad 755CE up until when I moved. It had OS/2 Warp 3, with MS-DOS 5 and Windows 3.1 launchable within OS/2, along with a host of kickass contemporary software, Hyperaccess 5 and the Lotus suite among them.
I say "had a working Thinkpad" because during the move I tested for kicks before I packed it, with disastrous results. The AC adapter decided to throw a fit, shorting the 800 meg HDD into a coma and wiping the drive clean, or at least its ability to recognize its OS.
Who needs a Surface when this is out there?
Who the fuck though putting a trackball there was a good idea?
>all these wonderful computers
>only have a few pentium 3s and 2s
Anybody have any idea how to get more of them?
There is a recycling center not to far from here,can I find anything there? I tried flea markets,but it's just a ton of Mexicans selling tools and stolen car radios.
I hate living in Chicago.
Does /g/ drool all over this like they do every other IBM PC?
What about the ST Pad? Too bad it have been canceled.
The monitor is freaking nice!
Also, I don't think there's anything to drool over when t come to the Aptiva line (which was manufactured by the Taiwanese shitbox manufacturer of the time AKA Acer).
There is nothing aesthetically pleasing about this machine at all...
>Dell as a botique vendor that sold things like OS/2 and UNIX preinstalled.
How the mighty have fallen. Their servers are still good, and would be nearly perfect if they exposed the DRAC web console as HTML5 instead of a Java applet, but their PCs have been going down the shitter since the days of the infamous BTX Optiplex.
This take me back... This product had the best codename 'Tsunami'. Too bad it was riddled with bugs...
I miss software box art... This app was great back in Win3.1 days. Way better that Program Manager.
Really wanted one of these back in the day. Settled with a Media Vision something or other since Sound Blasters were so expensive...
Scan by slowly dragging this thing over a page? Awesome....
I love how so many people act like all these tablet designs aren't just rehashed from 20 years ago...
My mom bought one of these in 2006 for like $200 because it was portable. She bought it to scan legal documents. I can't attest the color quality because it was monochromatic. It sucked ass because we never got the timing right so it would either look way too stretched out or way too narrow. It was a pain in the ass to sync it with the PC.
Supposedly it was state of the art. We never used it more than a couple of times.
I used to love how the trackball plugged into the side of the laptop on this thing. Seemed pretty slick...
>MSX for games
if the damn thing had fucking proper scroll hardware, it'd be pretty damn great for that
but since it doesn't (IIRC, only vertical scrolling was present), MSX games almost all have that hideous, choppy 8px at a time scrolling (or display one screen at a time), blech
We already had a flatbed scanner. As I said, this one was for legal documents, the kind of documents you can't take home and use your fancy scanner on. Here's a picture of it. Ours is grey, though.
>only vertical scrolling was present
On the MSX 2 only, and the Horizontal one have been added on the MSX 2+.
Anyway, there are some great games on MSX, the konami ones for example, like Gradius 2, Salamander, Space Manbow, Metal Gear, Antarctic Adventures (better than the NES version).
Almost the same weight as my current MBPr... Guess we haven't come that far yet
Scan by pointing a fixed b/w camera at stationary pictures/objects and cycling a color filter? Awesome.
Yeah, MSX gaming is great (Gradius 2 is awesome), it's just the hardware is kind of silly. Konami really loved the MSX, and they were in their prime back then.
That's... actually really neat, heh.
ONLY $2400?? And replacing that flippy pop out gimmicky mouse gizmo when I inevitably snap it off only costs me $275 plus postage?!? I am a successful business man, sign me right up.
The most 90s ad I've found yet. ...and the tits implication, lol.
I wish people scanned in more NeXT promotional stuff, it’s hard to find
those fuckers sound way better than anybody would expect them to
back in 2000 I was in heaven with my iMac G3+iSub+Limewire
Actually, speakerballs would be more accurate. I hooked some into a cassette deck and old 12V power supply and tucked it up under my rolling workbench in my shop. Puts out surprisingly good sound.
>Allowed, but discouraged
I was modeling 3d and editing images in Photoshop while my Winfriends were playing minesweep and telling me Macs were for fags. It's bittersweet seeing them all love the abomination Apple has now become.
I just bought a ZEOS 486DX-33 tower I'm trying to fix, it's much earlier than the one you posted though.
>won't even POST
>solid hard disk status lamp
>won't even boot with all the cards removed
Stacker was awesome... then disks started filling up with incompressible data like JPGs and MP3s and became worthless.
That shit was hackable as fuck, though. IIRC classic mac extensions just injected straight into memory to do their thing so the modifications they were capable of was impressive. The downside of course was that it was stupidly common to have extensions collide with each other and turn your system into a crashy, unusable mess.
Between extensions, kaleidoscope, and being able to directly edit most of the system resources with the Apple-provided ResEdit, classic Mac OS had ricing capabilities that outclass everything that’s come since. Kaleidoscope in particular was a real gem and could do things that artists can only dream of in modern theme engines.
love these 90s adverts that seemingly show a fucking thesis on why you should buy their product.
The OS doesn't support it natively (IIRC, no native desktop pictures until Mac OS 8), but you can use this:
(I'm actually using a different utility in this screenshot that I dunno where I found it, I did set up Backdrop on a System 6 install though)
It's like they were created by ad men from 40 years prior.
oh, here's a disk image because I forgot that fucking stuffit file is in 5.x format, and only 4.x works on a Plus
this image is emulator only because it's the wrong size, IIRC if you make a proper 800k image and rawwrite it to a disk, it'll work:
NeXTSTEP for Intel, definitely wanted to get my hands on this when it was released.
I don't know about that. Gil Amelio shat out some pretty terrible hardware.
I will definitely give them credit for that. I was more alluding to their DOS and Windows ventures.
kek, I actually have one of those sitting on top of my bookshelf.
To me, the Mac II was the peak.
here are two 800k disk images
one has the backdrop program
another is an image converter for System 6/7 (Backdrop takes MacPaint files, I used GIFConverter to convert a GIF I had edited in GIMP to be 1-bit B/W into Paint format)
Its too bad modular laptops like this never caught on. Awesome idea.
Your average System 7 machine did manage to be more stable than a Win95 one though.
which is hilariously depressing since it's true -- old school Mac OS is rotten internally (since before System 5, there wasn't really multitasking support, that got bolted on)
>Supervisor is clearly taller than manlet employee.
This shit would never fly in today's politically incorrect work environment.
>mfw my boss is 5'1" manlet and everybody makes fun of him behind his back.
What the fuck can I do with this other one?
>only one floppy disk
>no hard disk or disk controller (5150)
>3270 emulation cards and keyboard dongle have been removed for some fucking reason
Does XENIX/86 have any abandonware or GNU shit for it you can find on the web?
I don’t recall drivers and peripherals even being a problem under classic Mac OS, either. That part was pretty breezy.
The only time the system would get unstable is if you opened a badly written application or loaded it down with too many extensions. Java applets gave me a lot of trouble as well.
Java would give trouble. Classic Mac OS is terrible at memory management, and in a garbage collected language like Java, it's pretty much constantly managing memory. Badly.
>that feeling when you have to reboot your machine because you close a program and there's not enough memory to open the one you wanted (even though you can normally do so)
to be fair, this only really is a major issue if you have < 8MB RAM, but it is pretty awful how bad Mac OS was with RAM management
But at least it's got a real IBM MDA board, so I can swap my STB clone for it
No idea. It's the mindset master race workstation computer, far ahead of all of them: the Amiga, the Atari XT, Apple or IBM compatibles of that time. Did 3d real time rendering and editing before even the word multimedia was invented. Truly a technology and design icon.
Still looks better than most ibm pc of that time and is also a lot smaller, pic related late 80s legendary business workhorse model: the IIci, often in use until late 90s or early 2000s