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Why haven't you grown up yet, /g/?
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>>42886065
>gaming computer
>ever
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Cause Loonix offers me nothing I need.
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>>42886065
Because if your first computer was Windows you're still a kid.
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>>42886133
>ageism

My first computer was windows and I'm 25, now working for Oracle, please enlighten me on how I'm a "kid".

Fuck off grandpa.
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>>42886065
I fucking love you opinion OP. FreeBSD is the professional version of Linux. I can't speak about OpenBSD as I never had it for more than a week on my system.
>install *BSD
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>>42886065
typical smug lowlife faggot

>muh bsd is de real deal, I am better than everyone else
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>>42886065
Why is arch ricey.

I use arch because its easy to use.

Am I ricing?
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>>42886185
Do you enjoy a good stir fry?
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>>42886192
I like stir fry I guess. It depends on whats in it and the sauce.
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>>42886065

>I don't have time for that nonsense
>uses BSDs

Haha, zelden zo gelachen.
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>>42886207
Then you're ricing.
I suggest trying to Taiwanese. And protip, never ask for their hottest sauce without trying their medium first.
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>>42886065
>Okay, I got a job, I don't have time for that nonsense
Why is BSD there and not just going back to Windows or at least OS X?
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>trolling on /g/
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>>42886151
well i'm 24 and i'm have a managing role at google
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>>42886238
Because OP doesn't have a job.
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>>42886257
I'm 19 and I'm the president of the internet so.
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>>42886279
You're lying, my dad works for the internet and you are not the president
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>>42886065
FTFY OP
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>>42886279
I'm 24 and I tell the koch brothers what to do
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Fixed that for you.
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>>42886318
>im just going to bend over and take it full force up my rectum

winfag please go
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This is corrected version. Mine is legit because I added peppers.
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>>42886318
Where do you work that they're using Vista in 2014?
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>>42886369
I see, where does Debian belong then?
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>>42886406
>professional
>sits on 4chan

Yeah, no.
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>>42886410
When OP reaches the part of the timeline that is labelled "I know what I am doing", that's a long way off though.
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>>42886428
Gotta fill half my day with something.
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>>42886354
I agree with this. I can see the use for openbsd when running servers, but as a desktop, no. With a practical approach to security, even a windows 95 system that's not been updated for years would beat openbsd in protecting data. Since my approach to security is practical, I have no need for all the nice security features openbsd offers(desktop related). As previously mentioned, it is by far the most secure system for servers connected to the internet. I use it for that, but I am not acting smug about it or feeling superior to people who run linux servers. Like OP does
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>>42886065
fucking stupid OP, every computer I've used in the corporate world use some version of windows.
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>>42886486
And in software development companies like 80% are macfags.
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>>42886315
i'm bill koch and you're full of shit.
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>>42886065
>mfw my first computer had windows 98
>mfw i installed linux on it when i was 9 years old and never switched back

KDE 1 was the shit, man. It was much superior to Windows 98, I was impressed by how good it actually was. Only thing that bothered me was the task bar separated from the main menu bar.

Fuck, I miss having to partition the disc using fdisk because my autism didn't like something in the "graphical" (ncurses-like) partitioner.

My first distro was Conectiva Linux, which would be later be bought by MandrakeSoft and become Mandriva Linux. I remember installing it in a friend's friend's computer, he actually liked it all his Windows games worked on Wine.

Then when Mandriva stopped getting updates, I kept switching between openSUSE and Fedora, the former being my favourite for its stability, availability of packages and ease of use, until I finally stuck to it. I have never needed to use a command line for system maintenance on openSUSE. Never ever.

I have tried BSDs, Solaris, Ubanto, but found nothing interesting on them. I even tried a hackintosh but failed.

I bought a business class laptop that came with Gentoo once (actually my sister bought it and I borrowed it sometimes becuase I only had a hueg 17 inch laptop that didn't fit in my bag), it just worked so I couldn't be bothered to install openSUSE. Until I needed to install something and it took ages compiling just to fail in the end. Fuck Gentoo and fuck the retards at Itautec who decided it would be a good idea to sell business laptops with Gentoo preinstalled.


So, why should I install your BSD shit, OP?
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>>42886065
>mfw the first os I used was Commodore BASIC
>mfw im not even 30 yet
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>>42886608
i'm your dead mother, stop being such a cocksucker
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Who cares just use whatever you want.
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>>42886634
Oh and I'm switching to the rolling release openSUSE (Tumbleweed) as soon as they get their shit straight.

It's actually impressive how stable my system is even though I'm using unstable builds of Firefox and KDE.
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>>42886257
>i'm have, a managing role at google

cool, you're have? tell us more about yourself
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>>42886703
you made me spit mt dew on my new cherry mx
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>>42886257
Im 12 and I like your mum
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>>42886065
>BSDs
>used by people with real jobs
Nope. Windows reigns from cubicles to control rooms and there is nothing you can do about it.
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>>42886682
ungrateful cunt. i'd sue you if you weren't dead.
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Eh, I've used Ubuntu as my main OS for 7 years without issue, so whatever.
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>>42886724
if you were the real bill koch you would have tried regardless
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>>42886717
That is the most autistic thing I have read all day.
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>over the course of five years
>ubuntu/xubuntu
>crunchbang
>arch
>elementary
>debian
>back to ubuntu

Anyone else in the same boat. Currently waiting on KDE5.
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>>42886782
I've tried a lot of distros in the past as well, never got RID of Ubuntu on something still, for whenever I wanted a system that was actually working.
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What are the advantages of BSD for a desktop user?

I'm dual booting with windows currently.
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>>42886782
Hell yes KDE 5.
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>>42886809
0

Don't use BSD for a desktop OS.
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>>42886809
Depends on your wants/needs. If you have to ask you're probably already happy with what you have.
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>>42886809
Nothing, unless you have systemd paranoia.
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>>42886809
>using wangblows
Tepkok
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>>42886065
ITT: crybaby neckbeards who have no clue on how the industry really works.
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>>42886859
How does it work anon ? Tell me everything about it.
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>>42886302
your dad works for his dad, dumbass
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>>42886874
When a mommy and a daddy love each other very much...
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>>42886755
i called my attorney after reading your comment. he said it was a no-go. i'm going sue that bastard.
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>>42886874
well for one everyone who has a job uses a macbook air because they can also be used as lethal self defense weapons thanks to the aluminum frame and thin edges.
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>>42886065
>sacrificing driver and package support for UNIX cred on internet forums
Who's the l33t wannabe hacker here?
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>>42886890
I think you're confusing professionals with hipster college students.
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>>42886887
Dave Koch here, I tried already
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>>42886831
Probably. I'm just trying distros and distros and more distros.

So far: Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Fedora, Manjaro, Sabayon, eOS.

Dunno what to stay with really. Half of them ain't bad at all.
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>>42886918
where I work all these faggots in skinny jeans use macbook airs.
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>>42886859
Linux jobs pay more than windows jobs but forget about FOSS. End the end the point is make money.
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at least osx is based in unix.

windows is just a poor soul who can get a grasp of reality with their shitty metro.
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>>42886947
I don't get it tbh.

My brother makes 220k a year being a CJ for linux servers. In texas.
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>>42886935
Sounds like a horrible place. Well, mostly because of the skinny jeans... Put a good distro on a MacBook Air and you have a useable bit of technology... But workplace sperm counts must be tanking.
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>>42886912
>I have no time for nonsense
>arch
I bet you write web pages with assembly too :^D
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>>42886151
Lol kid you need to stop smoking marijuana
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>>42886975
Why do people say this.

Arch is easy to use / setup.

I don't really have to do much / anything to keep it running smoothly and the software I need "just werks".

Why does everyone shit on arch.
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What OS is the puffer fish? Never seen that one
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>>42886935
>being too fat to wear proper fits
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>>42886720
>having a shit job where your os is dictated by your masters
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This is bait. That said, I use mostly Debian, CentOS, and OpenBSD on my servers.
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>>42886975
>I can't into basic system maintenance

Arch is actually quicker because I spend less time fucking around with finding packages and the like. The only reason Arch is a little shitty is because it lacks an installer. Once it's set up, though, it's painless if you're not a retard.
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>>42886991
you can use it again? alleluia! finally you configure xorg again.
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>>42886991
Because people need to out down other OSes to feel better about their own.
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>>42887002
I'm not fat. I have to wear a suit because I'm in management and only people on teams can wear casual. I just hate on people who can wear casual clothing. Fuck them all.
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>>42887022
projecting this much, anon?
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>>42887002
>proper fits
>Skinny jeans
Clothes aren't' supposed to touch your body.
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>>42887020
>Spend a week doing all kinds of shit on it
>Finally get it to work right with everything
>"Fuck this I'm going to try something else"
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>>42887020
I don't know what you're talking about, never had any problems with xorg and I drive 3 displays.

You may want to make sure you also install the xorg serv utils package with xorg.
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>>42886065
>tfw used to have two computer at the same time
>one windows gaming machine and one for linux & bsd experiments
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>>42887002
>not having a penis
>not having balls
enjoy your skinny jeans trapanon.
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>>42887037
>Facts are projections
>implying your accusation isn't projection
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>>42886965
>CJ
Criminal Justice?
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>>42886991
No graphical installer
Rolling release inherently causes instability/breakage
AUR is a annoying and potentially leads to unmaintained packages
At least that's why I don't use it anymore... It's a fine system, but not flawless, but nothing really is.
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>>42887020
>muh may mays
I've used arch for 3 years and I have never once even opened xorg.
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>>42886065
Ubuntu
>muh privacy
Amazon botnet is enabled by default so that's a bold claim
>muh freedom
What about the proprietary blobs in the kernel? Those aren't free.

Nice b8 though
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>>42886065
I'm 19 and currently at stage 4 on this chart... how am I doing?
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>>42887091
being a pretentious faggot. Post again in your first year of CE and tell us how ignorant you were.
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>>42887081
>No graphical installer
Not a problem. It does need a script at least, though.

>Rolling release inherently causes instability/breakage

In my experience they work more than other distros do if you keep your shit up to date.

>AUR is a annoying and potentially leads to unmaintained packages

This is a problem with any packages on any distro that aren't in the official repo. It's not exclusive to arch.
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>>42887117
How is using Gentoo pretentious?
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>>42887137
Because its a bad choice. It is genuinely a bad choice.
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>>42887137
>I'm le 19 guise xD
>I use le gentoo cuz it's kool
>wut i'm le doing wiht me lief
I dunno.
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>>42887141
And what do you use might I ask?
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>>42886151
>working for Oracle
>bragging about it
>/g/ doesn't get it

trolled_softly.vrml
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>>42887153
gentoo
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http://betanews.com/2014/07/07/ubuntu-saves-munich-millions-should-all-governments-switch-to-linux/

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/germans-windows-xp-ubuntu,news-17558.html
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>>42887134
An install script would be nice
Good for you, install KDE components without the massive meta package and see it break when 5 hits... It's a matter of just because something hasn't gone wrong for you doesn't mean it can't/hasn't for other people... The poor dependency resolution in pacman makes it even more likely to cause issues with updates. True, you can use it for years with no problem, I'm glad you have.
True, but at least unofficial repos can be integrated into the actual package manager in most.
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>>42887184
>gentoo
So why are you calling it a bad choice if you use it? >that logic
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>>42887201
Unofficial repos aren't integrated into the actual package manager because they are unofficial.

There is no guarantee they are going to continue to be safe or are safe.
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http://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/2a5nu3/lets_face_some_facts_this_is_the_truth/

lets go
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>>42886133
>your first being Windows
>your first being MS DOS

muh first...
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>>42887082
>he hasn't opened his X server in three years because it's been broken
Arch users, everybody.
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>>42887201
>install KDE components

There's your problem.
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>>42887014

people bitch about the install but it's easy as pie.


the annoying thing about arch is that they test little and shit is often buggy.

just for shits and giggles, compare /r/ubuntu with /r/archlinux

not to say ubuntu doesn't have some issues either, but not rolling release type issues.

too new libs, forgotten pacnews, broken aur packages. shit's annoying when you depend on stuff to work. and yea, some of this is easily fixed, but it's about time and knowhow.


it's an awesome distro though, but these days i prefer something ootb, since you can do the same shit on any distro.

check out antergos, which seems to be the pefect blend. nice ootb setup with vanilla arch. i've yet to do a metal trial but in a vm it's nice so far.
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>>42887235
Every other popular distro provides the function just fine. Not saying if it's right or wrong, but the initial question was WHY people disliked Arch... There are reasons, things it differs from other distros on, inconveniences beyond 'lol xorg break'.
>>42887252
It was an example, but...
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>>42887042
>Clothes aren't' supposed to touch your body.

They really should.

>>42887063
I wear the skinniest jeans I could find at my local clothing dept and they're still baggy and ridiculous looking.
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>>42887201

well i wouldn't say it's poor dependency handling, as pacman seems to be great at removing dependencies, but the fact that the maintainers like to keep very lean dependencies. so if it's not required to work, it's an optdepends. this this often becomes annoying when you need to install another bunch of packages by hand to get the expected functionality.
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>>42886065
>first computer
>Windows XP
Says who.
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>>42887278
More realistic after /g/ gets fired for looking up loli at work
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>>42886133
1995 was 19 years ago. There are people old enough to use this board that are YOUNGER than Windows 95.
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>DOS
First computer
>Win 98
First Gaming computer
>Linux
Oh I hear this is was better than windows and only an idiot would use Linux
>Windows XP
Wow Linux was fucking stupid.
>Linux again
I hear Linux is WAY better now and only an idiot would use windows and it's free!
>Windows 7
Wow Linux was fucking stupid.
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>i got a job
>bsd
Nope
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>>42887293
>I wear the skinniest jeans I could find at my local clothing dept and they're still baggy and ridiculous looking.
You should get fit then. If you are so skinny your balls and dick have room and your spandex jeans look baggy there can't be an ounce of muscle on them legs
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>>42886211
We speak English here, anon. If you want to shitpost, go to GeenStijl.
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>>42887299
They really need a flag to install extra dependencies. In reality though, I've only run into that problem twice. Once with firefox to get h.264 support and once with gnu-radio-companion.
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>>42887299
Possibly. I suppose that is inevitable in a distro that follows such a stringent philosophy rather than looks at users needs and adapts to them. I just didn't like having a package work properly/pull everything it should have to get proper functionality maybe 65% of the time as opposed to 100%.
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>>42886920
OP is about growing up, not becoming increasingly douchey and hipster.
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>>42887124
>Suck Apple's dick
>Receive jobs
Whatever you say anon
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>>42887378
>OP is about growing up, not becoming increasingly douchey and hipster.
>bsd in "i got a job"-tier
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>>42887354
>>42887361

yeah i agree. the flag would definitely be helpful, that way both types of users would be happy.

apt-get based distros do the reverse, and they get a lot of flack for being bloated, but in reality it usually works out better. there's an option to skip optdepends.
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>>42886720
Yes, and if Linux is used, it'd be Ubuntu, RHEL or another commercial-friendly distribution.
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Here's how it really works OP.

>Use Windows for 20+ years

>Just works and is stable

>Switch to Linux in 2013 because Linuxfags say there is no reason not to

>Its ugly

>All DE and WM look like shit

>Its bloated

>Slow as shit

>Missing most user features people use

>Doesn't do anything that can't be done on
Linux besides the package manager

>Switch back to Windows 8.1
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>>42887320
ooh chil' u trippin
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>>42886604
What is that on the far right?
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>>42887471
>>Doesn't do anything that can't be done on Linux besides the package manager
bullshit. fuck off shill.
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>>42887490
>using centos ever unless you absolutely have to at work
>being a zombie
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>>42887005
>having a job

How comfortable is your moms basement kid?
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>>42887501
No. Its the truth. And the bash CLI you guys like to tout off? Everything in it can be done in PowerShell or Powershelll ISE. Especially in the improved PowerShell on 8.1

There's no reason to switch to Linux.
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>>42887330
This, only my first gaming computer was an commodore 64.
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>>42887485
Parabola GNU/Linux-libre
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>>42886065
guise i need some help?
http://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/2a5nu3/lets_face_some_facts_this_is_the_truth/
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>>42887522

no one gives a shit about powershell but windongles and .net whores

terminal in linux werks in osx and vice versa.
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>>42887522
>Everything in it can be done in PowerShell or Powershelll ISE.
This exactly. Powershell is awesome.
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>>42887522
PowerShell is bad joke. Windows is GUI now and may forever.
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>>42887522
Have fun with your bastardized permissions system and shit-tier firewall.

>NTFS
>needs to be defraged in 2014
>no in place transparent lzo compression and encryption
>no COW / versioning


>it does everything linux can do
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>>42887570
>no one gives a shit about powershell but windongles and .net whores
That would be 90% of all computer users.
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>>42887573
Awesome for people use only cmd
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>>42887609

90% of all computer users use a terminal on windows?

>gtfo
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>>42887579
Confirmed for never using PowewrShell.

>>42887591
There's nothing with NTFS.
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>>42887591
geiz our ntfs file syztem is so shit we need to improve the os by making the copy and move dialog more pretty to mask the fact. let's add a cool graph that is absolutely useless!
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>>42887522
>And the bash CLI you guys like to tout off? Everything in it can be done in PowerShell or Powershelll ISE. Especially in the improved PowerShell on 8.1
OK, show me how to toggle GPIOs in powershell with echo and shell redirection.
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>>42887591
>>NTFS
>>needs to be defraged in 2014
You are a fucking retard truely. SSD. Defrag. Hurr durr.
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>>42887570
>no one gives a shit about powershell but windongles and .net whores

*but people with decent paying jobs in tech

fify
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>>42887630
Exactly, there's nothing with NTFS because it eats your data.
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>>42887626
>90% of all computer users use a terminal on windows?
They could if they wanted. Why in hell do linux users use terminal?
Because the gui is an absolute joke.
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>>42887630
I use and I know this is piece shit for normal TI. And if I need shell i will install linux.
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>>42887675

>Did you mean cygwin?
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I've messed around with some Linux distros since 2003/2004 but Linux Mint is the first one that I use regularly as one of my main operating systems. It just werks on my laptop.
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>>42886920
graphic designer faggot?
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>>42887682
can't administer exchange and mysql servers with cygwin
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>>42887680

great logic there. why did microsoft create powershell if the gui is so amaze?

i guess they were tired of being the dumb kid on the block with cmd.

anyone who has every done any technical work (programming/sysadmin) knows a terminal is efficient, fast, and worthwhile to learn.

if you can't see that fact, then fuck off. powershell may be acceptable for windongles, but the fact is that linux and osx both support posix.

just because windows got the software first doesn't mean it's going to be that way for the rest of eternity. now go shove that xbone up your ass
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>>42887663
It was happy with being inferior for the 12 years before SSDs. I'm sure they will omit great features in the coming years, too.
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>>42887626
Because we have many repos. and you a bad store
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>>42887717
>just because windows got the software first doesn't mean it's going to be that way for the rest of eternity.
It will be that way and there's nothing you linux shills can do about it.
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>>42887753
What about the fact that literally everything is going to be written for the JVM in the next 10 years.
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>>42887717
>why did microsoft create powershell if the gui is so amaze?

it's for server administration, anger management. there's a whole lot of windows servers out there in the wild of enterprise that can be neatly and cleanly administered through the same interface and scripting. fyi windows production servers don't have gui's.
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>>42887683
Agreed on mint although I've also used fedora and Xubuntu on various hardware around the years and they worked like charm. I've had problems with some of the more rare distros though
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>>42887717
>great logic there. why did microsoft create powershell if the gui is so amaze?
Because they wanted to create something more advanced for the automation of tasks.
Gui is still the fastest way for a single configuration task.
Powershell is for stuff that needs to be done by schedule.
>just because windows got the software first doesn't mean it's going to be that way for the rest of eternity.
As long as the loonix guis stay as shitty as they are the average user won't use them. And until then software will still come to windows first.
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>>42887774
Lies. Every WinServer I se use Gui(And Sysadmin has good pay). Powershell is for win user want be "diferent"
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>>42887686
neet faggot?
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>>42886065
>using BSDtrash on desktop
What a fucktard
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>>42887809

they aren't mutually exclusive.

also, i'm talking about osx as well, as they both support/work with the same command line tools.
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>>42887815
>Lies. Every WinServer I se use Gui

lol well you haven't seen very many then, have you sport

this isn't muh opinion and 'm not making this up, windows networks is actually my job
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>>42886782
not the same, but I use ubuntu in my VMs. jus werks for the most part; run all my proprietary software in it.
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>>42886065
>no puppy
>no tails
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>>42886065
>>42886065
Nah, man. I actually use all of those OSes on a regular basis. It was more like
>win 98, ME, and xp growing up
>leave home, join air force, hear about linux in basic training of all places
>get out, buy first laptop, dual boot it
>get married, build first desktop, install Ubuntu
>install debian
>install gentoo
>move to arch
>go back to gentoo
>have baby
>install Ubuntu because I don't have time for this shit anymore
>son gets older, more independent, reinstall gentoo

I run gentoo as primary today with Windows, Ubuntu, and FreeBSD under virtualization; home server runs OpenBSD. Growing up doesn't mean that you're going to follow a particular linear order. Your needs change throughout your life
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i go from *buntu -> arch -> fedora and back around.

these days it's mostly what DE do i want to use as i like unity, gnome, and kde.
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>there are people using windows server outside of ad/exchange/client management
why?
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>>42886634
>Fuck, I miss having to partition the disc using fdisk
but I still do this anon
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>>42887880
>puppy

my nigga. first distro i ever remastered. woof is the sit.
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>>42887922

let me guess
>meh germz
>meh warez


typical excuse. they need photoshop for makin' memes you know.

in reality, who gives a fuck. i feel like a whale stuck on shore with windows, but comfortable with linux and osx.
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Ok guys. You can relax. Realistically, this is the answer. You can find this setup in 90 percent of companies. But then again, you faggots couldnt picture this happening. Most of you are NEET & will never get a job/wife
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>>42887954
>You can find this setup in 90 percent of companies.
I doubt so many companies favor BSD over Linux or Windows Server
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>>42887976
yeah, true. I was just using that image as an example.
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>>42886634
O Biscoito, how model of itautec came with gentoo
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>>42887976
what about mac server
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>>42887976
BSD is heavily outnumbered by linux in the enterprise.
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Why use Debian over Ubuntu
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>>42887996

they still make that?
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>>42888002
Because Ubuntu came with unity or you need something really stable. In jerk way Debian(free software) Ubuntu/Mint(Open-Source)
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I use ubuntu because it just works and lets me work without having to tweak it or manage it very much. So yeah, It does serve as an OS to work.
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>>42886920
>apple
>job

Sitting at Starbucks and typing up a novel about a boy and a girl who fall in love while sipping a tall mocha grande isn't a job you fucking mongoloid.
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>>42887954
>You can find this setup in 90 percent of companies.
Nope. Never ever. Even big companies use mainly active directory to manage their windows boxes. Windows VDI is used pretty often and sharepoint gets more and more common too.
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ubuntu does get a lot of flack for being unstable, and i think it's largely due to them still working on unity. the derivatives are pretty damn stable.

i like unity, but i'm worried about how mir and driver support. plus, i'm excited for wayland.
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>>42888002
stability, better maintained repos, init or systemd over upstart, freedom

it's a preference thing, debian will always be my first linux love
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>>42888037
But Unity is good though. At least if you want to get work done. Real people with REAL jobs don't use tiling window managers like i3
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>>42887630
>Confirmed for never using PowewrShell.

Not that guy but use Powershell at work.

You really ahve no idea what you're talking about. Powershell is an utter pile of shit, the syntax is utterly horrible because Microsoft wants everything To.Be.Typed.Dot.Net.Style and doesn't know how to intelligently handle executable paths. Everything is way too long, it's easy enough to read but hell to type because every script has an ungodly long name. It's clearly designed to be copied and pasted from MSDN rather than typed from scratch.

>>42886065
You do know that most serious users either use Windows, Scientific Linux, Debian, RHEL or Ubuntu right? In fact Ubuntu is kicking serious arse in the server/dev space at the moment, it turns out driver support, stability and up to date packages are desired features.
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>>42888041
These charts are depicting home use you retarded faggot.
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>>42888036
4chan~
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>>42888073
Is this b8? Nothing wrong with tiling window managers.
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>>42888073
Unity is too basic and barely lets you customize your desktop

Things like MATE aren't hard to configure and you can get up and running quickly to keep your productivity, but also let you fiddle around a little

Pantheon is nicer looking if you don't mind being as limited
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>>42888059

i've seen more of these setups

>windows server for active directory
>linux/vmware for everything else

this includes build machines, repositories, test suites, etc..
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>>42888073
>Real people with REAL jobs

here we go again

really depends on your "real" job chief. tiling wm's like i3 were made by developers for developers
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>>42887922
>ad/exchange/client management
Count in ms sql and you have covered 95% of a standard companys needs.
We even have a mysql installation on a windows server vm because the license service for the software runs on windows only.
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>>42888073
Actually I'm considering flattening my work box and installing Linux for good tiling WM support, when you've got some monitor panels, a few SSH tabs, an RDP session, an XMPP and a mail client open it makes all kinds of sense.
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>>42888041
it is if you're a novelist.
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>>42888099
>>42888104
Who the fuck cares about customizing. We are trying to get work done here. Go back to your rice thread, you fucking faggot

filtered. keep using that trip :^)
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>>42888073
I think gnome classic and cinnamon a better option. i3 is strange but i like because give focus
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>>42888078
>it's easy enough to read
One hell of an improvement compared to bash
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Is Ubuntu MATE usable enough?

It's on alpha
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>>42888137
You're dumb. You're a dumb person.

I wouldn't hire you.
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>>42888127
Just use windows and a program that allows you to tile your windows. It works really well for me. (3 screens + numerous PuTTY sessions)
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By 2012, €6.8 million had been saved on Microsoft licensing alone.

damn u espensive
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>>42888105
Well that depends on the field the company works in I guess. We do electrical and electronical servicing for industrial companys like oil refineries. Both are highly dependent on proprietary stuff that runs on windows.

If the company mainly uses self developed software I guess linux is more common because of license issues.
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OP I have, this is why I run OS X.

>>42886099
You don't need a functional computer?
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>>42888078
I don't know, it is easier if you're not familiar with the programs involved but it still doesn't necessarily tell you what it's going to do. It also has some good features like being able to whatif changes but if the syntax is horrible, difficult to type quickly and overly verbose that's a pretty damning weakness.

Imagine if you had a word processor that randomly inserted NIGGER KIKE 14/88 HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG into documents, all of the nice features on the world wouldn't make proofreading everything several times any less annoying.
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>>42888137
I'm not the guy who was talking about ricing. Whats the beef with i3? I use it ugly and find its better for workflow when I have shittons of documentation and files open.
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>>42886318
>have a job
>using own disposable income to get Microshit
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>>42888163
Since you cannot pay him from the pocket money your mum gives you I guess he won't be too upset.
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>>42888161
I install from mate repo direct. Fork distro need sometime to start wokr like linux mint, tails, centos(but now they are excelent distro)
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>>42887892
Someone on /g/ reproduced?
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>>42888202
Because that's GNU/Linux. Working in a business. that would not work. Windows is the standard.
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>>42888237
I use i3 at work.

I am the 1%
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>>42888140
have fun opening that .ppt file that another company sent you.
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BSD users just hate Linux.

They call anything new or useful cancer or bloat and then end up copying it half assed under a different license because they hate free software.

:3
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>>42888237
Some gov. try chance to linux but all fails. In true they can chance office to open/libreoffice
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>>42888078
Well I find ps to be easier to understand than posix, but all I do is active directory automation and changing printers and stuff like that.
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>>42888280
>>42888280
>>42888280
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>>42888248
illuminati
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>>42886065
I did the whole BSD thing for a couple of months then I looped back to mint. Justwerks.
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>>42888299
Black Helicopters are coming for you.
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>>42888294
Why learn english if soon america will new mexico and Uk will be a arab country?
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>>42888173
I tried bug.n for a while but it was too buggy, part of the problem I've had is that tiling WMs or programs that enforce that behaviour don't play well with the taskbar.
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>>42888226
>Someone on /g/ reproduced?
Some linux user reproduced, that's what I find most amazing.
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>>42888142
At least you can use bash
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>>42888331
>Why learn

This is why all your countries are shit.
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well, i haven't had any reason to use windows in a couple of years, but for the random times to do something i boot up a vm and put it in seamless mode.

all the games i care about run natively or in wine (just waiting for csgo). i realize people have different requirements.

as for me, i don't do any graphics works, or what have you so vm works excellently. if i did, i'd rather use osx anyway.
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>>42888361
>just waiting for csgo
Fucking Valve has had internal Linux builds for like a year.
:|
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>>42888389
They're holding it for the steambox. Thats literally why you have to wait so goddamn long.
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>>42888348
Close your borders for our people and may this make sense.
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>>42888389

i know that feel man, but i'd rather have a good release and not another witcher 2

plus, there are some games waiting on csgo to use the engine or something too.
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>>42888323
Or only may the Feds
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>>42887490
This truly is based.
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>>42888278
Just like Linux users and OS X, eh?
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>>42886065
>ubuntu
>privacy

yeah, you're just talking out of your ass
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>>42888683
Yes.
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>>42888590
Naw, OSX is for people that don't care about free software, BSD is for people that hate free software.

OSX contributes more back to the community than BSD does.
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>>42888339
Linus has some pretty cute kids (no pedo)
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>>42888744
Sorry, I was referring to this
>They call anything new or useful cancer or bloat and then end up copying it half assed under a different license
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>>42888339
>implying I'm not a pimp
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I use arch because I couldn't get manjaro or debian to install.

The uefi thing for manjaro sucks and I had a simmilar problem with debian. Arch just works.
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>>42888987
>Arch just works.
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>telling others to grow up
>xp on first computer
yea ok, kid
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>>42886065
>first computer is xp
baby please.
>>42886133
>his first was DOS.
Kiddo, please.
Pic related, my first computer.
I hacked egypt with it.
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>>42887485
freedom arch, iirc actually stallman approved
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>>42887490
This is pretty based, but that hippy shit on the far right is dumb.
Also, Debian is truly worthy of BOB's light.
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>>42888987
>I use arch because I couldn't get manjaro or debian to install.

I don't even know what to say.
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h-hey remember Microsoft Midori?
what happened to that?
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>>42889029
>>42889096

I wish I could use manjaro or debian I just can't, so Arch. Do you guys know of any good guides?
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>>42888987
>I'm too dumb for Debian or Manjaro so I use Arch
You heard it straight from the horses mouth.
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>>42889144
manjaro is just preconfigured arch with packages held back a bit for little reason

you're not missing anything by just using arch directly
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>>42889145
If following the guide to the letter and having the system not boot, then yeah, I'm dumb.
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>>42889123
Before he left, Ballmer Zyklon B'd it.
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>>42889164
I know, I went to manjaro first, I could not get it to boot with UEFI. I spent about an hour searching for info before I just went on arch and everything was up and running in about half an hour.
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>>42889208
if you've already setup arch how you like, then don't worry about it

manjaro's for when you don't care to set it up yourself
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>>42889164

i think it's more akin to mint. it's arch based, but they have their own repo and they also have their own custom tools.

i would say antergos is more like arch + a nice config
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>>42889240
Yeah, I do enjoy arch, everything has worked very well. One complaint I would have is that the battery seems to drain a little fast, but its not a real problem since my laptops always plugged in anyway.
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>>42886065
Funny thing is the first time I installed BSD is when I was laid off.

Anyway stop spreading fud. Good luck getting a job related to BSD in anyway aside from apple genius. Aint nobody using BSD on servers. Majority is using linux.
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>>42889319
>Majority is using linux.
who's majority and why should i care what he uses?
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>>42886065
>First computer: XP
Nope
>First gaming computer: Vista
Hahaha nope.
>Mint/ubuntu
>privacy/freedom
Are you shitting me
>Arch and gentoo
I don't want shit or gentoo
>BSD
>job
Try debian or centOS.

Protip: If your first computer ran XP you are too young to be here
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>There are people seriously browsing /g/ whose first computer ran XP
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>>42889467
the cutoff is 1996 now, isn't it?

one would only need to have gotten a first computer at 4-5 years old to be within xp's scope, completely feasable
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>>42889525
my first computer ran 95 but I had my first computer when I didn't even know how the fuck they were supposed to work, old toshiba laptop. My first real computer ran xp.
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>>42886832
what is the deal with systemd?

About to install a distro that uses it
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>>42889589
Nothing.
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>>42886065
Okay /g/ I'm going to do my best, but I'm trying to get into Linux head first, and I want to compile my own kernel, maybe after some practice. Going to try CentOS. Does anybody have any thoughts?
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>>42889665
Why? Only use CentOS if you want to use it later. Try debian. Also you don't need to compile a kernel.
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>>42889525
>there are people seriously browsing /g/ whose first Linux distro was Mint
Am I just old now? Because Mint didn't exist back when I started... Or at least no one knew what it was or cared.
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Is there any way to install FreeBSD with Optimus? Can I force it to use only one graphic card without going through the BIOS (which I can't)?
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>>42889714
Well, mint is just ubuntu with a terrible theme and bad packages, so who cares. My first distro was SuSE 7.2 in the year 2001, btw
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>>42889746
Why the fuck would you do that? If you want an obscure but interesting system try Haiku or EComStation
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>>42887249
10 ? "HELLO WORLD!"
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>>42889467
>there are people right here, RIGHT NOW who are born in 1996
>these people are actually not underage and are allowed to browse 4chan
>in a few years people too young to remember the 20th century will be allowed to browse 4chan as well
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>>42889757
>Well, mint is just ubuntu with a terrible theme and bad packages
mint is actually ubuntu without the bullshit
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>>42886065
Are we talking server og client?
It seems we are talking client looking at the Windows logos.
Why would you want BSD on a client?
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>>42889772
But I've been wanting to get into *BSD for a while. I just want to discover it with something that "just werks" at first before I delve into more fiddling.
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>>42889757
And apparently is was around as early as 2006... Still... Don't think anyone at all used it back then.
>>42889798
Time goes on, blah blah
>>42889824
That's not how you spell Xubuntu, Lubuntu, or Kubuntu
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>>42889842
Ubuntu breaks at every. fucking. update. Mint doesn't.
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>>42889824
Are you a mint user? Because that's what mint users actually think. I bet you don't even know about the other ubuntu versions. And no, I would never recommend the ubuntu one. Lubuntu is the best of them and includes packages which are actually good, e.g. mplayer

>>42889854
I've always upgraded xubuntu since 12.10 to 14.04, only problems I had were with gtk3 progams which needed a theme. And that was just because I use a window manager, no DE.

I've actually used ubuntu since 2008 on other machines and never had problems with upgrades.
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>>42886065
OP I am going to make a picture in PAINT brb when done with work
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>>42889912
>packages which are actually good
i don't see anything wrong with mint packages
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i love original threads like this
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>>42889984
The thing is that better alternatives to the preinstalled packages exist
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>>42890145
ah, so it's a case of "your tastes" > "my tastes"
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>>42890167
cinnamon: shit
banshee: shit
mate: shit
flashplugin/chrome: botnet

Also they themselves use debian

http://linuxmint.com/software/
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>>42886065
don't fool yourself
>>
WINDOWS IS MASTER RACE and you know it

>linux: neckbeards/tinfoils
>apple: hipsters/faggots
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How's this anons?
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>>42890514
>sudo apt-get install
>advanced linux user

>upgrading ram
>advanced mac user

>advanced windows user
>playing games/facebook

oh wow
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>>42890564
this is what I hear from /g/ all the fucking time.

It's more to pick fun at /g/ and piss them off.
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>>42890589
>lol i troll u
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>>42890607
I never said I was trolling anon. I am just fucking around. Trolling is for 14 year old kids who think they are clever. I am just using their own info against them. Don't pretend you haven't seen this on /g/ before.
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>Anon says I am trolling
>Says trolling only cause he doesn't understand or agree my what I post

OK anon don't argue back at all or give me full sentences
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>>42889773
you mean

10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD!"
20 GOTO 10
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>>42886318
this is actually true. same with osx
>>
DOS(don't know which one)-win95-win98-winxp-7/ubuntu-windows 8-lolnope 7 again with the occasional ubuntu
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I went from System to Mac OS to Windows to Linux and BSD distrohopping to OS X. Linux is great, Windows is shit, and OS X is better than both imo.
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